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<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
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<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
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[07:34:55] лорд Морфий: Привет !
[07:35:32] лорд Морфий: а никто не подскажет, как в формах реализовать что-то подобное inline ??? ну чтобы горизонтально были поля ввода, а не вертикально ?
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[07:47:48] xa4a: form.as_p ?
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[07:51:41] лорд Морфий: from django.forms.models import inlineformset_factory
BookFormSet = inlineformset_factory(docs_models.Ztmc, docs_models.ZtmcItems)
zayvka = docs_models.Ztmc.objects.all()
ZtmcFormSet = BookFormSet(instance=zayvka)
[07:51:53] лорд Морфий: вот есть такое, но почему-то вываливается ошибка :(
[07:52:38] лорд Морфий: InterfaceError: Error binding parameter 0 - probably unsupported type.
[07:52:44] лорд Морфий: или я как-то не так делаю все это
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[08:10:34] лорд Морфий: мне просто не совсем понятно, что именно отображать надо ??? BookFormSet или ZtmcFormSet ???
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[08:17:19] Хрюндель (джангист): Кто то Komodo 5.0 уже успел покрутить?
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[08:18:05] лорд Морфий: Хрюндель (джангист): я не крутил
[08:22:03] Хрюндель (джангист): лорд Морфий, ты ещё программированием вообще занимаешься? или просто выписаться с этой конфы не можешь? ))
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[08:25:02] лорд Морфий: Хрюндель (джангист): выписаться не могу :( программисты - гады не сказали как комп выключать и ка из конфы выходить :(
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[08:25:36] лорд Морфий: и еще порно сайт открыли, вот теперь сижу смотрю - деваться некуда, сказали на другие кнопки не нажимать :(
[08:26:48] лорд Морфий: а есил честно, я как-то на eric подсел и теперь без него как без рук :)
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[08:38:45] Хрюндель (джангист): лорд Морфий, эрик какой версии? Komodo 5 симпотишный стал.. функционал ещё не проверял правда, но выглядит приятно.. получше чем скажем Eclipse
[08:40:06] Хрюндель (джангист): автокомплит вроде хороший
[08:42:51] Хрюндель (джангист): а вот что то Go To Definition пока не очень..
[08:44:04] лорд Морфий: Хрюндель (джангист): 4ка последняя
[08:44:17] лорд Морфий: дык оно вроде как платное ?
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[09:02:34] лорд Морфий: все таки джанга - это сила !!!
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[09:15:32] Хрюндель (джангист): лорд Морфий, не, есть Komodo Edit, это опен сорс
[09:16:44] Хрюндель (джангист): какая есть прога что бы запоминала расскалдку клавы в каждом приложении отдельно кроме xkbb или как там её..
[09:17:28] лорд Морфий: Хрюндель (джангист): хз, я как-то уже привык
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[09:38:54] PAVka: http://www.python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=19163#p19163
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[10:15:19] PAVka: кто нибудь знает судьбу книги "Учимся программировать вместе с Питоном" Чаплыгина А.Н. ??? ссылки ни http://book.it-arts.ru/ ни http://pythonbook.it-arts.ru/ не работают , последнее что успел скачать ревизия 226
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[10:21:31] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Воздух
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[10:23:14] mishok13: в первый раз слышу об этой книге
[10:23:18] mishok13: и слава богу, наверное
[10:25:15] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Воздух
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[10:25:16] dotice is now Король и Шут - Помоги мне!
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[10:27:42] dotice is now Король и Шут - Помоги мне!
(from "Будь как дома, Путник")

[10:27:43] dotice is now Nautilus - Chistiy bes
(from "Chuzhaya zemlya")

[10:28:11] tilarids: /me представил себе книгу "Учимся программировать вместе с Хрюшей и Степашей"
[10:28:26] mishok13: ыыыыыы
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[10:31:43] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
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[10:31:45] slav0nic: народ, есть админка в ней задания, есть спайдер, читает таски со статусом запланировано и запускает, как бы сделать остановку этой хрени через админку?)
пока что вариант писать пид файл + киллера который каждую минуту проверяет у кого статус "остановить" и киляет процесс
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[10:36:16] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[10:36:55] Хрюндель (джангист): slav0nic, сигналы попробуй
[10:37:45] slav0nic: тож верно
[10:40:27] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
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[10:40:28] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
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[10:54:12] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
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[10:54:13] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
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[10:57:46] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
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[11:02:18] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
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[11:02:19] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
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[11:09:30] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
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[11:09:31] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Странники в ночи
(from "Яблокитай")

[11:10:15] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Странники в ночи
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[11:10:19] dotice is now Король и Шут - Сапоги
(from "Король и шут")

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[11:12:48] dotice is now Король и Шут - Сапоги
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[11:12:49] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Umershye vo sne
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[11:15:37] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
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[11:21:36] mishok13: пиздец, надру купили, пиб продали
[11:21:43] tilarids: обана
[11:21:47] tilarids: линк?
[11:21:57] piranha: обама
[11:22:05] piranha: mishok13: сцылку, да
[11:22:41] mishok13: http://news.finance.ua/ru/~/1/0/all/2008/11/05/142265
[11:22:44] mishok13: http://news.finance.ua/ru/~/1/0/all/2008/11/05/142246
[11:23:03] mishok13: про пиб уже точно
[11:23:11] piranha: :(((
[11:23:14] mishok13: надра пока что неподтверждено Надрой официально
[11:23:27] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[11:23:28] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Железнодорожник
(from "Крылья")

[11:24:00] mishok13: но очень похоже на правду
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[11:36:27] simpatico is now online
[11:37:48] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Железнодорожник
(from "Крылья")

[11:37:49] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Absolutnoe beloe
(from "Atlantida")

[11:38:33] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Absolutnoe beloe
(from "Atlantida")

[11:38:34] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Живая вода
(from "Крылья")

[11:41:27] simpatico is now online
[11:42:15] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Живая вода
(from "Крылья")

[11:42:16] dotice is now Король и Шут - Ведьма и осел
(from "Акустический альбом")

[11:42:27] dotice is now Король и Шут - Ведьма и осел
(from "Акустический альбом")

[11:42:28] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Небо и трава
(from "Крылья")

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[11:46:45] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[11:47:09] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Небо и трава
(from "Крылья")

[11:47:10] dotice is now Король и Шут - Прыгну со скалы
(from "Акустический альбом")

[11:47:36] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[11:47:48] dotice is now Король и Шут - Прыгну со скалы
(from "Акустический альбом")

[11:47:49] dotice is now Король и Шут - Песня Мушкетеров
(from "Ели мясо мужики (1)")

[11:49:53] Typhon is now online
[11:51:15] dotice is now Король и Шут - Песня Мушкетеров
(from "Ели мясо мужики (1)")

[11:51:16] dotice is now Король и Шут - Ответ - Лютая месть!
(from "Как в старой сказке")

[11:51:27] simpatico is now online
[11:55:03] dotice is now Король и Шут - Ответ - Лютая месть!
(from "Как в старой сказке")

[11:55:04] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Клетка
(from "Крылья")

[11:56:26] simpatico is now online
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[11:58:54] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Клетка
(from "Крылья")

[11:58:55] dotice is now Король и Шут - Прыгну со Скалы
(from "Ели мясо мужики (2)")

[12:01:27] simpatico is now online
[12:02:12] dotice is now Король и Шут - Прыгну со Скалы
(from "Ели мясо мужики (2)")

[12:02:13] dotice is now 05 - ьФБ нХЪЩЛБ вХДЕФ чЕЮОПК


[12:06:24] dotice is now 05 - ьФБ нХЪЩЛБ вХДЕФ чЕЮОПК


[12:06:25] dotice is now Король и Шут - Дурак и Молния
(from "Ели мясо мужики (1)")

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[12:08:21] dotice is now Король и Шут - Дурак и Молния
(from "Ели мясо мужики (1)")

[12:08:22] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Идиллия
(from "Невидимка")

[12:08:31] PC is now online
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[12:09:58] MAVr is now xa
[12:10:51] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Идиллия
(from "Невидимка")

[12:10:52] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Trubi, Gavriil!
(from "Atlantida")

[12:11:11] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[12:11:28] simpatico is now online
[12:12:21] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Trubi, Gavriil!
(from "Atlantida")

[12:12:22] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Железнодорожник
(from "Крылья")

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[12:16:29] simpatico is now online
[12:17:27] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Железнодорожник
(from "Крылья")

[12:17:28] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Absolutnoe beloe
(from "Atlantida")

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[12:18:43] лорд Морфий: а ни у кого примера нету, как с DELETE для formset работать ??? просто нужно чтобы по нажатии кнопки, удаленные строки убрались и форма опять отобразилась. А в cleaned_data совсем не то, что форма на вход принимает
[12:18:51] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Absolutnoe beloe
(from "Atlantida")

[12:18:52] dotice is now Король и Шут - Кукла колдуна
(from "Акустический альбом")

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[12:51:06] slav0nic: ааа жесть))презинтация ща идёт и все севраки улетели ))
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[13:18:28] mishok13: """автомобобиль"""
[13:18:31] mishok13: ыыы
[13:19:54] Mr.Floppy is now chat
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[13:21:43] tilarids is now online
[13:25:56] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
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[13:29:58] llatigid is now Доступен
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[13:32:52] mishok13: http://community.livejournal.com/kiev/4370435.html?thread=54085123#t54085123
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[13:34:36] piranha: mishok13: супер
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[13:35:26] mishok13: вылет мозга просто
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[13:37:10] piranha: угу
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[17:22:58] psixo: привет всем
=) кто может подсказать адекватный снифер под винду?
[17:23:28] sevenov: psixo: -1 тупой вопрос не по теме канала )
[17:23:34] Typhon: coolhackers@c.j.ru
[17:23:38] psixo: доо
[17:23:42] poltergeist is now online
[17:23:43] poltergeist is now online
[17:23:44] psixo: конечно не по теме)
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[17:24:00] sevenov: 1. сниффер
2. под винду
[17:24:04] mishok13: снифер?
[17:24:07] psixo: здесь никто сниферы не юзает чтобы просмотреть что же его код в действительности шлёт)
[17:24:13] mishok13: wireshark, чоле
[17:24:17] PC is now online
[17:24:24] psixo: mishok13,спс)
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[17:24:41] psixo: я как раз не мог вспомнить точное название чтобы в гугл забить =\
[17:25:21] mishok13: какбе, google://packet+sniffer
[17:25:39] mishok13: первая же ссылка ведет на википедию
[17:26:00] mishok13: это на всякий случай, если меня в следующий раз в конфе не будет ;)
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[17:26:58] psixo: в гугле говна всякого много :) каждый второй снифер ложит систему,каждый третий нифига корректно обработать не может,проходили =\

единственный адекват -- wireshark, но я его ставил в последний раз полгода назад,не мог название вспомнить :)
[17:27:13] xa4a: tcodump
[17:27:15] xa4a: tcp
[17:27:37] xa4a: а, венда
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[17:27:53] xa4a: а, он под вендой есь
[17:28:37] mishok13: есть под виндой, но все таки лучше ваиршарк
[17:28:41] mishok13: и точка
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[17:35:30] xa4a: хм. http://mobbi.net.ua/index.php?newsid=4647
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[17:38:03] A2K: я пришел.
[17:38:31] A2K is now ♫: Dream Theater - Endless Sacrifice
[17:39:16] A2K: ну же, радуйтесь!
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[17:41:56] sevenov: пошел подрочу
[17:42:00] sevenov: от радости
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[17:46:46] A2K is now ♫: Dream Theater - Honor Thy Father
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[17:51:19] A2K: а что в линупсе отвечает за приоритет обработки сетевых пакетов?
[17:51:30] A2K: я что-то слышал о трехуровневом стеке, но не помню где
[17:53:18] xa4a: A2K: проиритет?
[17:53:29] xa4a: это типа когда канал загружен, кого выпускать выбрать?
[17:53:30] A2K: ага
[17:53:34] A2K: точна
[17:53:38] PC is now online
[17:53:42] xa4a: wiki://congestion+avoidance ;)
[17:54:09] A2K: ну нахрен мне теория?
[17:54:13] xa4a: /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/tcp_cubic.c
[17:54:15] A2K: хочу готовое решение
[17:54:25] xa4a: готовое решение
[17:54:30] A2K: в ядре оно есть, я знаю
[17:54:34] A2K: но чем управлять?
[17:54:45] simpatico is now online
[17:55:06] xa4a: оно само-собой управляется
[17:55:07] A2K: а.
[17:55:11] A2K: нагуглил уже
[17:55:20] A2K: http://www.opennet.ru/base/net/adsl_bandwidth.txt.html
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[17:55:52] xa4a: может ты хотел htb?
[17:55:59] A2K: htb?
[17:56:09] A2K: Holy Trinity Brompton?
[17:56:10] xa4a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_Token_Bucket#Hierarchical_Token_Bucket
[17:56:15] A2K: а, не..
[17:56:27] A2K: нет, не хотел
[17:56:28] xa4a: traffic shaping or rate limiting.
[17:56:45] A2K: я хочу чтобы торрент не влиял на то как быстро у меня страницы грузяцо в опере
[17:56:59] A2K is now online
[17:57:03] xa4a: э
[17:57:07] xa4a: ограничь сокрость
[17:57:09] xa4a: торенту
[17:57:17] A2K: глупо
[17:57:22] xa4a: тю
[17:57:24] xa4a: нет
[17:57:30] A2K: тогда качацо медленее будет
[17:57:32] лорд Морфий is now xa
[17:57:33] A2K: :)
[17:57:41] xa4a: дык оставь 5кбпс
[17:57:44] xa4a: опере
[17:57:45] mishok13 is now xa
[17:57:51] A2K: мало
[17:58:08] A2K: вдумайся в мою идею сначала
[17:58:22] A2K: это получится что-то вроде динамического ограничения скорости торренту
[17:59:45] simpatico is now online
[17:59:57] xa4a: ты отвратителен
[18:00:08] xa4a: ты хочешь потюнить алгоритмы предотвращения переполнения NCP
[18:00:11] xa4a: TCP
[18:00:15] xa4a: это возле кубика, да
[18:00:28] xa4a: я знаю отличную доку об этом)
[18:00:37] xa4a: как раз полгода назад писал об этом курсач)
[18:00:46] A2K: нет, не хочу
[18:00:53] A2K: можна намного красивее
[18:01:14] A2K: о, вот
[18:01:21] xa4a: крисвее, чем подправить циферки в уже работающей подсистеме нельзя
[18:01:24] A2K: pfifo_fast

Эта дисциплина работает, как видно из названия, по принципу "первым пришел, первым ушел" (First In, First Out). Это означает, что ни один пакет не получает специальной обработки. Однако это не совсем так. Данная очередь имеет три, так называемых, "полосы". В каждой "полосе" пакеты обрабатываются по принципу FIFO. Но полоса 1 не будет обслуживаться до тех пор, пока есть пакеты в полосе 0. Аналогично, пока есть пакеты в полосе 1, не обрабатывается полоса 2.

Ядро учитывает значение поля пакета Type of Service, и направляет пакеты с установленным флагом 'минимальная задержка' в полосу 0.
[18:01:29] A2K: тут всё: http://gazette.linux.ru.net/rus/articles/lartc/x852.html
[18:01:47] A2K: почитай начало - поймешь как оно красиво
[18:03:01] A2K: Если у вас есть сетевое устройство с большой очередью, такое как DSL или кабельный модем, а вы обмениваетесь с ним данными через быстрое соединение, например ethernet, вы обнаружите, что закачки полностью уничтожают возможность интерактивной работы.
Это связано с тем, что закачки заполняют очередь модема, которая часто очень большая. Большой размер очереди позволяет достичь хороших результатов при передаче больших объемов данных, но ведь это не совсем то, что вам нужно. Вы хотите, чтобы оставалась интерактивность и вы могли бы делать еще что-то полезное во время закачки.
[18:03:06] A2K: у меня какраз такая проблема
[18:03:32] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Wish I Had An Angel
[18:04:27] piranha is now offline
[18:04:44] simpatico is now online
[18:05:27] svetlyak40wt is now xa
[18:06:10] A2K: херово только что на серваке, куда подключен модем, у меня фрибсд
[18:06:39] A2K is now online
[18:07:27] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Wish I Had An Angel
[18:08:20] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Nemo
[18:09:24] mishok13 is now online
[18:09:45] simpatico is now online
[18:12:53] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Planet Hell
[18:13:00] A2K is now online
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[18:22:46] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Planet Hell
[18:24:46] simpatico is now online
[18:27:18] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Creek Mary's Blood
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[18:35:47] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - The Siren
[18:36:55] xa4a is now online
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[18:40:32] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Dead Gardens
[18:40:47] svetlyak40wt is now online
[18:43:54] tilarids is now online
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[18:44:58] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Romanticide
[18:46:30] PC is now away
[18:47:31] PC is now online
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[18:49:49] simpatico is now online
[18:49:54] A2K is now ♫: Nightwish - Ghost Love Score
[18:54:36] A2K is now ♫: Life Cried - Hallowed Be Thy Name
[18:54:50] simpatico is now online
[18:55:11] A2K is now ♫: Kenny G - Brazil
[18:55:14] A2K is now ♫: Kenny G - Malibu Dreams
[18:55:15] red-agent is now away
[18:56:43] A2K is now ♫: Kenny G - Seaside Jam
[18:56:56] A2K is now ♫: Insomnium - The Gale
[18:59:33] A2K is now ♫: Insomnium - Mortal Share
[18:59:51] simpatico is now online
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[19:00:49] Portnov is now away
[19:01:26] A2K is now ♫: Kenny G - Midnight Magic
[19:03:30] Typhon is now offline
[19:04:53] simpatico is now online
[19:05:15] red-agent is now xa
[19:07:43] A2K is now ♫: Kenny G - Peace
[19:09:46] slav0nic is now online
[19:09:54] simpatico is now online
[19:10:33] A2K is now ♫: Insomnium - Ill-Starred Son
[19:12:26] A2K is now ♫: Kenny G - Spanish Nights
[19:14:02] Portnov is now online
[19:14:53] simpatico is now online
[19:16:30] A2K is now online
[19:18:17] Александp is now online
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[19:21:32] A2K is now away
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[19:26:55] A2K is now away
[19:27:01] A2K is now online
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[19:27:10] Portnov is now away
[19:28:49] A2K is now ♫: Kenny G - Seaside Jam
[19:29:53] simpatico is now online
[19:30:00] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Meisterfrau
[19:30:02] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Kaiser Von Shizer
[19:33:14] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Disko Fire Scheiss Messiah
[19:33:25] red-agent is now online
[19:34:53] simpatico is now online
[19:34:55] slav0nic is now xa
[19:36:15] pitman is now offline
[19:37:33] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Blut! Sex! Fire!
[19:38:35] red-agent is now away
[19:39:54] simpatico is now online
[19:40:56] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Burning Bush
[19:43:50] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Sheissway to Hell
[19:43:56] tilarids is now online
[19:44:52] simpatico is now online
[19:45:15] slav0nic is now online
[19:47:52] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - And We Shall Purify
[19:48:35] red-agent is now xa
[19:48:56] tilarids is now away
[19:49:54] simpatico is now online
[19:51:28] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - 10th Circle
[19:52:45] slav0nic is now away
[19:53:24] Portnov is now online
[19:54:54] simpatico is now online
[19:55:35] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Hellalujah
[19:58:35] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Purity
[19:58:41] tilarids is now online
[19:59:55] simpatico is now online
[20:02:45] slav0nic is now xa
[20:04:24] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Prost!
[20:04:45] slav0nic is now online
[20:04:56] simpatico is now online
[20:05:50] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Stern Krieg
[20:08:05] tilarids is now offline
[20:09:28] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Fukken Ueber Death Party
[20:09:42] A2K is now away
[20:09:58] simpatico is now online
[20:13:32] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Fukken Ueber Death Party
[20:14:05] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Zum Wohl!
[20:14:59] simpatico is now online
[20:16:26] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Star System Wolf 424
[20:16:56] red-agent is now online
[20:17:38] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - O Gemini 31
[20:19:42] Portnov is now away
[20:19:54] Portnov is now away
[20:19:59] simpatico is now online
[20:21:40] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Galaxia Malakia
[20:23:12] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Shine 2001
[20:25:01] simpatico is now online
[20:25:06] red-agent is now away
[20:26:43] A2K is now ♫: Hanzel und Gretyl - Stress Pill
[20:28:35] Александp is now offline
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[20:29:31] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Ever-Frost
[20:30:02] simpatico is now online
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[20:33:46] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - We Are But Falling Leaves
[20:34:08] xa4a is now away
[20:34:17] xa4a is now online
[20:35:01] simpatico is now online
[20:35:06] red-agent is now xa
[20:38:14] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Her Last 5 Minutes
[20:40:03] simpatico is now online
[20:41:00] simpatico is now offline
[20:42:45] mishok13 is now away
[20:43:54] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Where Waters Fall Frozen
[20:44:49] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Despair-Ridden Hearts
[20:48:29] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Vengeance Is Mine
[20:51:08] A2K is now online
[20:51:21] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Vengeance Is Mine
[20:51:55] xa4a is now away
[20:52:58] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - A Long Way To Nowhere
[20:56:25] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Consider Us Dead
[21:01:15] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Lower The Flags
[21:02:35] PC is now offline
[21:03:07] red-agent is now online
[21:04:49] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Drain Me
[21:08:26] red-agent is now away
[21:09:22] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Karu
[21:10:25] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - End Of The Road
[21:15:25] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - May Today Become The Day
[21:17:08] A2K: hg умеет хайлайт сишного синтаксиса?
[21:17:14] A2K: на вебморде
[21:18:27] red-agent is now xa
[21:19:26] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Ever-Frost
[21:20:38] A2K is now ♫: Roger Waters - Radio Waves
[21:25:32] A2K is now ♫: Roger Waters - Who Needs Information
[21:31:28] A2K is now ♫: Roger Waters - Me or Him
[21:36:07] red-agent is now online
[21:36:51] A2K is now ♫: Roger Waters - The Powers That Be
[21:38:38] Portnov is now away
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[21:41:27] A2K is now ♫: Roger Waters - Sunset Strip
[21:41:37] slav0nic: там pygments же
[21:41:39] slav0nic: умеет по ходу
[21:44:49] A2K is now ♫: Q - Afraid of Americans
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[21:50:28] A2K is now ♫: Q - Nameless
[21:52:57] red-agent is now away
[21:54:24] A2K is now ♫: Q - Emotionless
[21:58:20] A2K is now online
[22:01:00] A2K is now ♫: Q - Emotionless
[22:01:43] A2K is now ♫: Q - Inside
[22:02:57] red-agent is now xa
[22:05:45] A2K is now ♫: Q - Afraid of Americans
[22:09:06] psixo is now offline
[22:11:24] A2K is now ♫: Q - Nameless
[22:12:06] Portnov is now offline
[22:12:13] Mr.Floppy is now online
[22:12:37] Mr.Floppy: Подскажите, как создать список из N нулей? (не аппендить же?)
[22:12:51] piranha is now online
[22:13:21] piranha: Mr.Floppy: '0'*N
[22:13:22] A2K: [0]*n
[22:13:26] Mr.Floppy: Спасибо
[22:13:27] piranha: а, список
[22:13:31] piranha: чот я загнался
[22:13:32] A2K: да, список:)
[22:15:19] A2K is now ♫: Q - Emotionless
[22:19:52] PC is now away
[22:19:53] PC is now away
[22:19:59] A2K is now ♫: Q - Inside
[22:24:24] A2K is now ♫: Q - Fade
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[22:26:19] mishok13 is now online
[22:28:46] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - May Today Become The Day
[22:29:47] red-agent is now online
[22:32:44] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Ever-Frost
[22:32:52] A2K is now online
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[22:33:39] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Ever-Frost
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[22:37:48] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - We Are But Falling Leaves
[22:39:22] Mr.Floppy is now online
[22:42:16] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Her Last 5 Minutes
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[22:47:56] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Where Waters Fall Frozen
[22:48:51] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Despair-Ridden Hearts
[22:52:31] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Vengeance Is Mine
[22:56:46] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - A Long Way To Nowhere
[23:00:13] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Consider Us Dead
[23:05:04] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Lower The Flags
[23:08:37] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Drain Me
[23:11:08] red-agent is now online
[23:11:09] sevenov is now away
[23:11:40] slav0nic: чё os.kill(self.pid, signal.SIGKILL) с первого раза не срабатывает?
[23:11:58] slav0nic: приходится такое гавно лепить
while True:
try:
os.kill(self.pid, signal.SIGKILL)
except OSError:
break
[23:13:10] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Karu
[23:13:11] A2K: может просто процессы таким сигналом убиваются не мгновенно?
[23:13:57] slav0nic: какраз таким должны мгновенно
[23:14:21] piranha: sigkill же
[23:16:12] A2K is now offline
[23:16:13] A2K is now online
[23:16:18] red-agent is now away
[23:16:59] A2K: может все-таки системе требуется какое-то время чтобы так убить процесс?
[23:18:48] slav0nic: или я провтыкал)
[23:19:13] A2K is now ♫: Roger Waters - Radio Waves
[23:19:36] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Ever-Frost
[23:23:34] piranha is now offline
[23:23:56] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - We Are But Falling Leaves
[23:26:18] red-agent is now xa
[23:28:17] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Her Last 5 Minutes
[23:33:57] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Where Waters Fall Frozen
[23:34:52] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Despair-Ridden Hearts
[23:35:55] slav0nic: динама в своём стиле...
[23:38:33] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Vengeance Is Mine
[23:41:04] A2K is now online
[23:50:31] A2K is now ♫: Sentenced - Vengeance Is Mine
[23:50:54] A2K is now online
[23:53:39] red-agent is now online
[23:55:34] Mr.Floppy is now online
[23:57:35] Mr.Floppy: А как лучше из матрицы, записанной текстом, получить двумерный массив? (список списков)
map(lambda s: map(lambda x: int(x), s.split()), lines.strip().splitlines()) ?