[00:00:27] Александp is now offline
[00:01:23] slav0nic is now xa
[00:03:03] slav0nic is now online
[00:04:22] wiz is now away
[00:07:15] A2K is now ♫: Prime Suspect - Bad Girl
[00:09:23] wiz is now away
[00:13:41] A2K is now ♫: Prime Suspect - Irresistible
[00:14:26] wiz is now away
[00:19:10] A2K is now ♫: Prime Suspect - Entertainment
[00:19:26] wiz is now away
[00:21:23] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Ghost in Your Heads
[00:21:24] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Head Over Heels
[00:24:26] wiz is now away
[00:24:40] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Ghost in Your Heads
[00:29:27] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Things You Do
[00:29:28] wiz is now away
[00:33:39] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - What’s Up with that
[00:34:04] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Never Better
[00:34:29] wiz is now away
[00:38:27] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Zanna
[00:39:30] wiz is now away
[00:42:14] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Air
[00:44:30] wiz is now away
[00:47:09] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Dear God
[00:47:50] piranha is now away
[00:49:31] wiz is now away
[00:51:57] A2K is now ♫: Sweet Coffee - Say Hey Ya
[00:52:30] Александp is now Turn on, tune in, drop out
[00:52:33] Александp is now xa
[00:53:11] A2K is now ♫: Prime Suspect - Nightlife
[00:53:48] Александp is now online
[00:54:32] wiz is now away
[00:57:14] piranha is now online
[00:58:40] A2K is now ♫: Prime Suspect - Attraction
[00:58:48] Александp is now away
[00:59:33] wiz is now away
[01:04:34] wiz is now away
[01:08:49] Александp is now xa
[01:09:35] wiz is now away
[01:10:04] piranha is now xa
[01:10:59] A2K is now ♫: Prime Suspect - Bad Girl
[01:12:36] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - 10 Light Years Away
[01:14:37] wiz is now away
[01:16:25] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mind Like a Tree
[01:19:38] wiz is now away
[01:21:59] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Eye to Eye
[01:24:58] wiz is now away
[01:27:28] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - What U Give U Get Back
[01:29:58] wiz is now away
[01:32:25] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Skywriter
[01:35:01] wiz is now away
[01:37:25] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Yellow Butterfly
[01:39:46] piranha is now online
[01:39:50] wiz is now away
[01:43:01] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Freshly Squeezed
[01:45:00] wiz is now away
[01:45:06] piranha is now offline
[01:46:57] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Priscilla
[01:47:51] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Du bist so schmutzig
[01:49:12] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mysterious
[01:49:54] wiz is now away
[01:54:00] Александp is now online
[01:54:05] A2K is now online
[01:54:49] wiz is now away
[01:58:55] Александp is now away
[01:59:59] wiz is now away
[02:04:40] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mysterious
[02:04:51] wiz is now away
[02:04:54] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - To Be No. 1
[02:08:19] xa4a is now away
[02:09:04] Александp is now xa
[02:12:55] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - 10 Light Years Away
[02:15:13] wiz is now away
[02:17:00] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mind Like a Tree
[02:22:01] A2K is now online
[02:23:18] Лис is now online
[02:23:25] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mind Like a Tree
[02:24:04] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Eye to Eye
[02:24:56] wiz is now away
[02:28:31] A2K is now online
[02:28:34] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Eye to Eye
[02:29:10] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - What U Give U Get Back
[02:29:54] wiz is now away
[02:32:48] Лис_ is now online
[02:33:29] Лис_ is now offline
[02:34:09] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Skywriter
[02:34:55] wiz is now away
[02:39:20] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Yellow Butterfly
[02:39:57] wiz is now away
[02:45:01] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Freshly Squeezed
[02:45:13] wiz is now away
[02:45:51] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mysterious
[02:50:33] wiz is now away
[02:51:19] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - To Be No. 1
[02:55:22] wiz is now away
[02:55:33] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Obsession
[02:59:46] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - 10 Light Years Away
[02:59:57] wiz is now away
[03:03:26] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mind Like a Tree
[03:05:01] wiz is now away
[03:09:02] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Eye to Eye
[03:10:00] wiz is now away
[03:11:42] slav0nic is now offline
[03:14:05] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - What U Give U Get Back
[03:15:01] wiz is now away
[03:19:12] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Skywriter
[03:20:00] wiz is now away
[03:22:17] Александp is now offline
[03:23:54] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Yellow Butterfly
[03:25:11] wiz is now away
[03:29:49] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Freshly Squeezed
[03:30:09] wiz is now away
[03:32:06] Александp is now xa
[03:32:10] Александp is now xa
[03:33:37] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Priscilla
[03:35:05] wiz is now away
[03:36:54] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Du bist so schmutzig
[03:40:18] wiz is now away
[03:40:43] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Aleyah
[03:45:29] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - A Moment in a Million Years
[03:45:34] wiz is now away
[03:48:54] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mysterious
[03:50:14] wiz is now away
[03:54:23] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - To Be No. 1
[03:55:13] wiz is now away
[03:58:13] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Obsession
[04:00:15] wiz is now away
[04:02:21] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - 10 Light Years Away
[04:05:22] wiz is now away
[04:06:14] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Mind Like a Tree
[04:10:25] wiz is now away
[04:10:32] PC is now offline
[04:11:45] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Eye to Eye
[04:12:56] A2K is now online
[04:13:05] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Eye to Eye
[04:15:20] wiz is now away
[04:16:56] A2K is now online
[04:18:14] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Eye to Eye
[04:18:20] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - What U Give U Get Back
[04:20:18] wiz is now away
[04:23:42] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Skywriter
[04:25:18] wiz is now away
[04:28:29] A2K is now ♫: Scorpions - Yellow Butterfly
[04:30:19] wiz is now away
[04:32:57] A2K is now online
[04:35:21] wiz is now away
[04:35:25] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[04:38:04] A2K is now away
[04:38:09] A2K is now away
[04:40:18] wiz is now away
[04:40:35] red-agent is now online
[04:45:34] wiz is now away
[04:45:39] лорд Морфий is now away
[04:48:13] A2K is now xa
[04:48:22] A2K is now xa
[04:50:21] wiz is now away
[04:53:05] A2K is now online
[04:55:22] wiz is now away
[04:58:04] A2K is now away
[04:58:08] A2K is now away
[05:00:23] wiz is now away
[05:00:59] Лис is now offline
[05:01:03] Лис is now online
[05:01:07] Лис is now online
[05:05:32] wiz is now away
[05:05:36] лорд Морфий is now xa
[05:08:06] A2K is now xa
[05:08:14] A2K is now xa
[05:10:26] wiz is now away
[05:10:29] Лис: django-treebeard.googlecode.com
[05:15:41] wiz is now away
[05:20:37] wiz is now away
[05:20:43] red-agent: щито?
[05:23:06] A2K is now online
[05:25:23] wiz is now away
[05:28:12] A2K is now away
[05:28:16] A2K is now away
[05:28:42] Лис: деревья SQL-ные, аднако
[05:29:11] Лис: смотрю lorien снова за pybb взялся активно
[05:29:16] Лис: интересно, на сколько его заряда хватит
[05:30:27] wiz is now away
[05:33:53] red-agent: кеке
[05:35:17] wiz is now away
[05:38:10] A2K is now xa
[05:38:13] A2K is now xa
[05:40:29] wiz is now away
[05:41:43] Лис: я пока в разъездах был, 700 постов в гугель ридере накопилось :/
[05:41:45] Лис: заебался уже разгребать
[05:45:37] wiz is now away
[05:50:37] wiz is now away
[05:54:57] A2K is now online
[05:55:19] wiz is now away
[05:57:17] Александp is now offline
[06:00:35] wiz is now away
[06:02:18] Александp is now xa
[06:02:22] Александp is now xa
[06:02:39] A2K is now away
[06:02:42] A2K is now away
[06:04:23] A2K is now online
[06:05:23] wiz is now away
[06:09:14] Лис is now offline
[06:10:22] wiz is now away
[06:15:35] wiz is now away
[06:19:26] red-agent is now away
[06:20:16] wiz is now away
[06:20:20] Александp is now offline
[06:22:17] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[06:23:33] A2K is now away
[06:23:37] A2K is now away
[06:23:42] Александp is now xa
[06:23:49] Александp is now xa
[06:25:18] wiz is now away
[06:29:20] red-agent is now online
[06:30:18] wiz is now away
[06:33:29] A2K is now xa
[06:33:32] A2K is now xa
[06:35:24] wiz is now away
[06:38:16] A2K is now online
[06:40:23] wiz is now away
[06:43:31] A2K is now away
[06:43:35] A2K is now away
[06:43:52] лорд Морфий is now away
[06:45:15] wiz is now away
[06:50:38] wiz is now away
[06:52:21] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[06:53:17] A2K is now xa
[06:53:18] A2K is now xa
[06:55:10] wiz is now away
[07:00:09] wiz is now away
[07:05:08] wiz is now away
[07:08:07] A2K is now online
[07:10:10] wiz is now away
[07:13:08] A2K is now away
[07:13:09] A2K is now away
[07:15:09] wiz is now away
[07:20:10] wiz is now away
[07:21:00] red-agent is now away
[07:23:08] A2K is now xa
[07:23:09] A2K is now xa
[07:25:12] wiz is now away
[07:26:53] лорд Морфий is now away
[07:29:06] xa4a is now offline
[07:30:12] wiz is now away
[07:30:50] red-agent is now xa
[07:35:00] red-agent is now online
[07:35:12] wiz is now away
[07:39:39] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[07:40:11] wiz is now away
[07:45:10] wiz is now away
[07:45:36] dotice is now Yep, I'm here.
[07:45:45] dotice: всем утра!
[07:48:08] A2K is now online
[07:50:00] dotice is now Yep, I'm here.
[07:50:01] dotice is now 09 - пФИПД оБ уЕЧЕТ


[07:50:11] wiz is now away
[07:53:08] A2K is now away
[07:53:10] A2K is now away
[07:53:42] dotice is now 09 - пФИПД оБ уЕЧЕТ


[07:53:43] dotice is now Helloween - Kids Of The Century
(from "Kids Of The Century")

[07:55:11] wiz is now away
[07:57:36] dotice is now Helloween - Kids Of The Century
(from "Kids Of The Century")

[07:57:37] dotice is now Король и Шут - Разговор с гоблином
(from "Герои и злодеи")

[08:00:09] dotice is now Король и Шут - Разговор с гоблином
(from "Герои и злодеи")

[08:00:09] wiz is now away
[08:00:10] dotice is now Helloween - Heavy Metal (Is The Law)
(from "Walls Of Jericho")

[08:03:09] A2K is now xa
[08:03:10] A2K is now xa
[08:04:09] dotice is now Helloween - Heavy Metal (Is The Law)
(from "Walls Of Jericho")

[08:04:10] dotice is now Helloween - Silicon Dreams
(from "Master Of The Rings (US Bonus)")

[08:05:11] wiz is now away
[08:08:21] dotice is now Helloween - Silicon Dreams
(from "Master Of The Rings (US Bonus)")

[08:08:22] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Взгляд с экрана
(from "Князь Тишины")

[08:10:09] wiz is now away
[08:10:36] Typhon is now online
[08:11:11] Typhon is now offline
[08:12:48] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Взгляд с экрана
(from "Князь Тишины")

[08:12:49] dotice is now Король и Шут - Истинный убийца
(from "Король и шут")

[08:14:48] dotice is now Король и Шут - Истинный убийца
(from "Король и шут")

[08:14:49] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Krylya (terrorist mix)
(from "Atlantida")

[08:15:09] wiz is now away
[08:18:54] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Krylya (terrorist mix)
(from "Atlantida")

[08:18:55] dotice is now Король и Шут - Отец и маски
(from "Король и шут")

[08:20:10] wiz is now away
[08:21:57] dotice is now Король и Шут - Отец и маски
(from "Король и шут")

[08:21:58] dotice is now Helloween - The Dark Ride
(from "The Dark Ride")

[08:25:10] wiz is now away
[08:27:20] Typhon is now online
[08:30:10] wiz is now away
[08:30:45] dotice is now Helloween - The Dark Ride
(from "The Dark Ride")

[08:30:46] dotice is now НАИВ - Схема
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[08:34:00] Casufi is now online
[08:34:00] dotice is now НАИВ - Схема
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[08:34:01] Casufi is now online
[08:34:02] dotice is now Король и Шут - Вячеслав
(from "Ели мясо мужики (1)")

[08:34:04] Casufi is now online
[08:34:05] Casufi is now online
[08:35:12] wiz is now away
[08:36:00] dotice is now Король и Шут - Вячеслав
(from "Ели мясо мужики (1)")

[08:36:01] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Eieana e?aae
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[08:36:15] Casufi is now online
[08:40:03] лорд Морфий is now away
[08:40:14] wiz is now away
[08:40:24] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Eieana e?aae
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[08:40:25] dotice is now Helloween - Giants
(from "Chameleon")

[08:41:15] Casufi is now online
[08:45:13] wiz is now away
[08:46:14] Casufi is now online
[08:47:00] dotice is now Helloween - Giants
(from "Chameleon")

[08:47:01] dotice is now Король и Шут - С тех пор как он ушел
(from "Камнем по голове (2)")

[08:49:15] dotice is now Король и Шут - С тех пор как он ушел
(from "Камнем по голове (2)")

[08:49:16] dotice is now 12 - рПУМЕДОЕЕ рЙУШНП


[08:49:52] Александp is now offline
[08:50:15] wiz is now away
[08:51:15] Casufi is now online
[08:51:32] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[08:51:32] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[08:53:19] MAVr: /me приветствует всех!
[08:54:15] dotice is now 12 - рПУМЕДОЕЕ рЙУШНП


[08:54:16] dotice is now Halloween - Grapowski's Malmsuite 1001
(from "1999 - Rares")

[08:54:57] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[08:55:14] wiz is now away
[08:56:14] Casufi is now online
[09:00:17] wiz is now away
[09:00:41] Portnov is now online
[09:00:44] Portnov is now online
[09:00:48] dotice is now Halloween - Grapowski's Malmsuite 1001
(from "1999 - Rares")

[09:00:49] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Крылья
(from "Крылья")

[09:01:12] Casufi is now online
[09:04:36] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Крылья
(from "Крылья")

[09:04:37] dotice is now Helloween - Grapowski Malmsuite
(from "Master Of The Rings (US Bonus)")

[09:05:18] wiz is now away
[09:06:12] Casufi is now online
[09:07:30] MAVr is now away
[09:07:33] MAVr is now away
[09:07:41] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[09:07:53] mishok13 is now xa
[09:08:44] mishok13 is now offline
[09:08:48] mishok13 is now online
[09:10:16] wiz is now away
[09:10:22] pitman is now online
[09:10:23] pitman is now online
[09:11:08] Portnov is now away
[09:11:08] Casufi is now online
[09:11:09] dotice is now Helloween - Grapowski Malmsuite
(from "Master Of The Rings (US Bonus)")

[09:11:10] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Утро Полины
(from "Титаник")

[09:11:17] Portnov is now away
[09:11:24] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Утро Полины
(from "Титаник")

[09:11:25] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - 20 000
(from "Титаник")

[09:12:04] Portnov is now online
[09:15:16] wiz is now away
[09:16:08] Casufi is now online
[09:16:18] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - 20 000
(from "Титаник")

[09:16:19] dotice is now Helloween - Closer to Home
(from "Sole Survivor")

[09:18:45] MAVr is now away
[09:19:31] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[09:20:15] wiz is now away
[09:21:06] Casufi is now online
[09:23:33] red-agent: http://bash.org/?342633
[09:23:48] MAVr is now away
[09:24:30] dotice is now Helloween - Closer to Home
(from "Sole Survivor")

[09:24:31] dotice is now Король и Шут - Любовь и пропеллер
(from "Камнем по голове (2)")

[09:25:16] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[09:25:17] wiz is now away
[09:25:23] mishok13 is now online
[09:26:03] Casufi is now online
[09:27:24] dotice is now Король и Шут - Любовь и пропеллер
(from "Камнем по голове (2)")

[09:27:25] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Во время дождя
(from "Яблокитай")

[09:27:52] mishok13 is now offline
[09:27:56] mishok13 is now online
[09:28:23] MAVr is now away
[09:28:31] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[09:30:18] wiz is now away
[09:30:57] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Во время дождя
(from "Яблокитай")

[09:30:58] dotice is now Halloween - Introduction
(from "1999 - Rares CD2")

[09:31:04] Casufi is now online
[09:33:00] Casufi is now away
[09:33:01] Casufi is now away
[09:33:36] dotice is now Halloween - Introduction
(from "1999 - Rares CD2")

[09:33:37] dotice is now Король и Шут - Смерть халдея
(from "Герои и злодеи")

[09:35:17] wiz is now away
[09:36:03] Casufi is now away
[09:37:15] dotice is now Король и Шут - Смерть халдея
(from "Герои и злодеи")

[09:37:16] dotice is now Helloween - Invitation
(from "Keeper Of The Seven Keys (part II)")

[09:38:21] dotice is now Helloween - Invitation
(from "Keeper Of The Seven Keys (part II)")

[09:38:22] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Absolutnoe beloe
(from "Atlantida")

[09:40:14] wiz is now away
[09:41:03] Casufi is now away
[09:44:21] Casufi is now online
[09:44:22] Casufi is now online
[09:45:17] wiz is now away
[09:46:02] Casufi is now online
[09:50:20] wiz is now away
[09:51:03] Casufi is now online
[09:52:12] red-agent is now away
[09:53:33] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Absolutnoe beloe
(from "Atlantida")

[09:53:34] dotice is now Halloween - We Got The Right
(from "Live In The U.K.")

[09:55:18] wiz is now away
[09:56:02] Casufi is now online
[09:57:22] red-agent is now online
[09:59:39] dotice is now Halloween - We Got The Right
(from "Live In The U.K.")

[09:59:40] dotice is now НАИВ - Рок - н - ролл мертв
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[10:00:17] wiz is now away
[10:01:00] Casufi is now online
[10:02:18] dotice is now НАИВ - Рок - н - ролл мертв
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[10:02:19] dotice is now NAUTILUS POMPILIUS - NASHA SEMY
(from "THE BEST")

[10:02:34] wiz is now offline
[10:04:22] wiz is now away
[10:04:23] wiz is now away
[10:04:23] wiz is now away
[10:04:24] wiz is now away
[10:04:25] wiz is now away
[10:04:26] wiz is now away
[10:05:27] dotice is now NAUTILUS POMPILIUS - NASHA SEMY
(from "THE BEST")

[10:05:28] dotice is now Король и Шут - От женщин кругом голова
(from "Камнем по голове (1)")

[10:05:59] Casufi is now online
[10:06:57] dotice is now Король и Шут - От женщин кругом голова
(from "Камнем по голове (1)")

[10:06:58] dotice is now Âÿ÷åñëàâ Áóòóñîâ - Âåíåðà
(from "ÎÂÀËÛ")

[10:08:07] piranha is now online
[10:08:58] wiz is now away
[10:09:09] dotice is now Âÿ÷åñëàâ Áóòóñîâ - Âåíåðà
(from "ÎÂÀËÛ")

[10:09:10] dotice is now Helloween - White Room (Cream)
(from "Metal Jukebox")

[10:10:59] Casufi is now online
[10:12:41] wiz is now away
[10:14:54] dotice is now Helloween - White Room (Cream)
(from "Metal Jukebox")

[10:14:55] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Превращение
(from "Невидимка")

[10:16:00] Casufi is now online
[10:17:40] wiz is now away
[10:18:27] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Превращение
(from "Невидимка")

[10:18:28] dotice is now НАИВ - Думаешь Нет - Говоришь Да
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[10:20:59] Casufi is now online
[10:21:39] dotice is now НАИВ - Думаешь Нет - Говоришь Да
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[10:21:40] dotice is now Nautilus - Progulki po vode
(from "Chuzhaya zemlya")

[10:22:41] wiz is now away
[10:23:39] piranha is now offline
[10:23:45] piranha is now online
[10:25:24] dotice is now Nautilus - Progulki po vode
(from "Chuzhaya zemlya")

[10:25:25] dotice is now Король и Шут - Рогатый
(from "Как в старой сказке")

[10:25:44] Casufi is now online
[10:27:40] wiz is now away
[10:30:42] Casufi is now online
[10:32:40] wiz is now away
[10:35:43] Casufi is now online
[10:37:38] wiz is now away
[10:40:40] Casufi is now online
[10:42:40] wiz is now away
[10:45:41] Casufi is now online
[10:47:02] A2K is now online
[10:47:41] wiz is now away
[10:50:41] Casufi is now online
[10:52:41] wiz is now away
[10:53:32] A2K is now away
[10:53:34] A2K is now away
[10:54:40] dpwiz is now ॐनमःशिवाय
[10:54:41] dpwiz is now ॐनमःशिवाय
[10:54:44] dpwiz is now offline
[10:54:49] dpwiz is now ॐनमःशिवाय
[10:54:50] dpwiz is now ॐनमःशिवाय
[10:55:40] Casufi is now online
[10:55:47] dpwiz is now ॐनमःशिवाय
[10:56:11] dpwiz: кгхм... test
[10:56:53] A2K is now online
[10:57:42] wiz is now away
[10:57:59] piranha is now away
[11:00:09] dotice is now Король и Шут - Рогатый
(from "Как в старой сказке")

[11:00:10] dotice is now Helloween - Dr. Stein
(from "Karaoke (remix) CD1")

[11:00:39] Casufi is now online
[11:00:46] dpwiz is now ॐनमःशिवाय
[11:00:55] dpwiz is now offline
[11:01:53] A2K is now away
[11:01:54] A2K is now away
[11:02:42] wiz is now away
[11:05:18] dotice is now Helloween - Dr. Stein
(from "Karaoke (remix) CD1")

[11:05:19] dotice is now Helloween - Mission Motherland
(from "The Time Of The Oath")

[11:05:39] Casufi is now online
[11:07:04] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:07:05] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:07:41] wiz is now away
[11:09:50] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:10:30] MAVr is now away
[11:10:39] Casufi is now online
[11:11:09] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[11:11:28] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:11:29] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:11:53] A2K is now xa
[11:11:54] A2K is now xa
[11:12:14] svetlyak40wt is now online
[11:12:33] лорд Морфий is now away
[11:12:42] wiz is now away
[11:14:21] dotice is now Helloween - Mission Motherland
(from "The Time Of The Oath")

[11:14:22] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Tri hita (orchestrovaya overtura)
(from "Atlantida")

[11:14:50] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:14:57] wiz_ is now offline
[11:14:58] _wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:14:59] _wiz_ is now offline
[11:14:59] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:15:39] Casufi is now online
[11:16:53] A2K is now online
[11:17:43] wiz is now away
[11:18:24] red-agent is now away
[11:18:37] slav0nic is now online
[11:19:51] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:20:00] wiz_ is now offline
[11:20:38] Casufi is now online
[11:20:49] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[11:21:00] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Tri hita (orchestrovaya overtura)
(from "Atlantida")

[11:21:01] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Хлоп-хлоп
(from "Разлука")

[11:21:53] A2K is now away
[11:21:55] A2K is now away
[11:22:44] wiz is now away
[11:23:44] red-agent is now online
[11:24:51] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:25:03] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Хлоп-хлоп
(from "Разлука")

[11:25:04] dotice is now Helloween - Falling Higher
(from "Better Than Raw")

[11:25:37] Casufi is now online
[11:26:20] Лис is now online
[11:27:45] wiz is now away
[11:29:51] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:29:51] dotice is now Helloween - Falling Higher
(from "Better Than Raw")

[11:29:52] dotice is now Halloween - Take It To The Limit
(from "1999 - Rares CD2")

[11:30:38] Casufi is now online
[11:31:53] A2K is now xa
[11:31:55] A2K is now xa
[11:32:44] wiz is now away
[11:33:57] dotice is now Halloween - Take It To The Limit
(from "1999 - Rares CD2")

[11:33:58] dotice is now Halloween - Rise And Fall
(from "Live In The U.K.")

[11:34:33] svetlyak40wt is now away
[11:34:51] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:35:30] лорд Морфий is now away
[11:35:37] Casufi is now online
[11:37:44] wiz is now away
[11:38:20] svetlyak40wt is now online
[11:38:48] dotice is now Halloween - Rise And Fall
(from "Live In The U.K.")

[11:38:49] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Крылья (симфонич. версия) (bonus track)
(from "Крылья")

[11:39:51] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:40:37] Casufi is now online
[11:41:26] piranha is now online
[11:42:15] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Крылья (симфонич. версия) (bonus track)
(from "Крылья")

[11:42:16] dotice is now Король И Шут - Задира И Солдат
(from "Бунт На Корабле")

[11:42:43] wiz is now away
[11:44:52] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:45:38] Casufi is now online
[11:45:54] dotice is now Король И Шут - Задира И Солдат
(from "Бунт На Корабле")

[11:45:55] dotice is now Helloween - March Of Time
(from "Keeper Of The Seven Keys (part II)")

[11:46:06] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:46:26] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:46:54] A2K is now online
[11:47:43] wiz is now away
[11:49:52] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:50:39] Casufi is now online
[11:51:09] dotice is now Helloween - March Of Time
(from "Keeper Of The Seven Keys (part II)")

[11:51:10] dotice is now Король и Шут - Паника в селе
(from "Король и шут")

[11:51:54] A2K is now away
[11:51:55] A2K is now away
[11:52:45] wiz is now away
[11:53:14] red-agent is now away
[11:54:28] dotice is now Король и Шут - Паника в селе
(from "Король и шут")

[11:54:29] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Взгляд с экрана
(from "Разлука")

[11:54:34] red-agent is now online
[11:54:52] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[11:55:30] лорд Морфий is now xa
[11:55:38] Casufi is now online
[11:57:45] wiz is now away
[11:58:57] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Взгляд с экрана
(from "Разлука")

[11:58:58] dotice is now Король и Шут - Карапуз
(from "Акустический альбом")

[11:59:52] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:00:39] Casufi is now online
[12:01:33] dotice is now Король и Шут - Карапуз
(from "Акустический альбом")

[12:01:34] dotice is now Hevein - New Hope
(from "Sound Over Matter")

[12:01:54] A2K is now xa
[12:01:55] A2K is now xa
[12:02:00] Portnov is now offline
[12:02:46] wiz is now away
[12:03:24] лорд Морфий is now йоды магистра речи тайна раскрыта, оказывается, на форте программист старый есть он просто.
<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
[12:04:48] Portnov is now online
[12:04:51] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:04:54] Portnov is now online
[12:04:54] dotice is now Hevein - New Hope
(from "Sound Over Matter")

[12:04:55] dotice is now НАИВ - Intro
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[12:04:57] Portnov is now online
[12:05:39] Casufi is now online
[12:06:01] dotice is now НАИВ - Intro
(from "Rock-n-Roll Мертв?")

[12:06:02] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[12:07:47] wiz is now away
[12:09:50] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:10:05] znotdead is now online
[12:10:09] znotdead is now offline
[12:10:39] Casufi is now online
[12:12:46] wiz is now away
[12:13:12] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - Caa?u
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[12:13:13] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - E Yeieca
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[12:13:39] dotice is now Iaooeeon Iiiieeeon & Aeaa?eoi - E Yeieca
(from "Oeoaiee ia Oiioaiea")

[12:13:40] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
(from "Человек без имени")

[12:14:51] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:15:38] Casufi is now online
[12:17:45] wiz is now away
[12:18:09] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
(from "Человек без имени")

[12:18:10] dotice is now Halloween - Star Invasion
(from "Mr Ego")

[12:18:45] mishok13 is now away
[12:19:53] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:20:38] Casufi is now online
[12:22:45] wiz is now away
[12:22:58] dotice is now Halloween - Star Invasion
(from "Mr Ego")

[12:22:59] dotice is now Король и Шут - Сапоги
(from "Ели мясо мужики (2)")

[12:24:53] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:25:01] svetlyak40wt is now away
[12:25:18] dotice is now Король и Шут - Сапоги
(from "Ели мясо мужики (2)")

[12:25:19] dotice is now Helloween - Irritation
(from "Karaoke (remix) CD2")

[12:25:22] xa4a-m is now online
[12:25:37] Casufi is now online
[12:26:33] dotice is now Helloween - Irritation
(from "Karaoke (remix) CD2")

[12:26:34] dotice is now Helloween - Mirror, Mirror
(from "The Dark Ride")

[12:26:55] A2K is now online
[12:27:46] wiz is now away
[12:28:19] PC is now online
[12:28:45] mishok13 is now xa
[12:29:25] mishok13 is now online
[12:29:54] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:30:13] znotdead is now online
[12:30:15] dotice is now Helloween - Mirror, Mirror
(from "The Dark Ride")

[12:30:16] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Скованные одной цепью
(from "Князь Тишины")

[12:30:30] znotdead is now offline
[12:30:38] Casufi is now online
[12:30:59] PC is now offline
[12:31:20] PC is now online
[12:31:21] PC is now online
[12:31:55] A2K is now away
[12:31:56] A2K is now away
[12:32:46] wiz is now away
[12:34:33] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Скованные одной цепью
(from "Князь Тишины")

[12:34:34] dotice is now Âÿ÷åñëàâ Áóòóñîâ - Ïåñíÿ î ïåñíå
(from "ÎÂÀËÛ")

[12:34:55] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:35:00] svetlyak40wt is now xa
[12:35:37] Casufi is now online
[12:36:03] tilarids is now online
[12:36:36] dotice is now Âÿ÷åñëàâ Áóòóñîâ - Ïåñíÿ î ïåñíå
(from "ÎÂÀËÛ")

[12:36:37] dotice is now Король и Шут - Забытые ботинки
(from "Акустический альбом")

[12:37:47] wiz is now away
[12:38:10] svetlyak40wt is now online
[12:39:55] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:40:38] Casufi is now online
[12:41:55] A2K is now xa
[12:41:56] A2K is now xa
[12:42:49] wiz is now away
[12:44:45] dotice is now Король и Шут - Забытые ботинки
(from "Акустический альбом")

[12:44:46] dotice is now Helloween - Murder
(from "Helloween")

[12:44:53] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:45:38] Casufi is now online
[12:47:48] wiz is now away
[12:49:15] dotice is now Helloween - Murder
(from "Helloween")

[12:49:16] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Падший ангел
(from "Человек без имени")

[12:49:53] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:49:57] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Падший ангел
(from "Человек без имени")

[12:49:58] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
(from "Человек без имени")

[12:50:39] Casufi is now online
[12:52:49] wiz is now away
[12:54:27] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Человек без имени
(from "Человек без имени")

[12:54:27] xa4a-m is now offline
[12:54:28] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Воздух
(from "Титаник")

[12:54:54] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[12:55:39] Casufi is now online
[12:56:07] xa4a-m is now online
[12:57:49] wiz is now away
[12:59:45] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Воздух
(from "Титаник")

[12:59:46] dotice is now 10 - ыБТ гЧЕФБ иБЛЙ


[12:59:56] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[13:00:38] Casufi is now online
[13:02:09] dotice is now 10 - ыБТ гЧЕФБ иБЛЙ


[13:02:10] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Хлоп-хлоп
(from "Разлука")

[13:02:49] wiz is now away
[13:04:24] mishok13 is now away
[13:04:56] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[13:05:05] MAVr is now away
[13:05:37] Casufi is now online
[13:06:12] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Хлоп-хлоп
(from "Разлука")

[13:06:13] dotice is now Helloween - Falling Higher
(from "Better Than Raw")

[13:06:25] Portnov is now away
[13:06:33] Portnov is now away
[13:07:06] MAVr is now xa
[13:07:09] MAVr is now xa
[13:07:49] wiz is now away
[13:09:57] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[13:10:38] Casufi is now online
[13:12:48] wiz is now away
[13:13:00] dotice is now Helloween - Falling Higher
(from "Better Than Raw")

[13:13:01] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Живая вода
(from "Крылья")

[13:14:24] mishok13 is now xa
[13:14:57] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[13:15:24] Муркт is now online
[13:15:39] Casufi is now online
[13:16:03] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Живая вода
(from "Крылья")

[13:16:04] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Воздух
(from "Титаник")

[13:16:45] kukabarra is now online
[13:16:46] kukabarra is now online
[13:16:47] kukabarra is now online
[13:17:49] wiz is now away
[13:19:58] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
[13:20:39] Casufi is now online
[13:21:21] dotice is now Nautilus Pompilius - Воздух
(from "Титаник")

[13:21:22] dotice is now Наутилус Помпилиус - Железнодорожник
(from "Крылья")

[13:21:49] kukabarra is now online
[13:22:16] red-agent is now away
[13:22:50] wiz is now away
[13:23:23] Portnov is now online
[13:24:16] red-agent is now online
[13:24:57] wiz_ is now ラボタユ
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[13:44:03] Хрюндель (джангист): Никто про пробелмы с админкой не слышал, в случае когда есть модель с фиелдом от картинок, и она встраивается в другую модель как inline.. Вначале всё работает, потом через некоторое время захожу снова что бы добавить ещё фоток и уже нифига не пашет, пишет только Please correct the errors below. а где именно ошибка - не показывает
[13:44:04] tilarids: на python.com.ua классные статейки. В гуглоридер успелопопасть это шарыбыры
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[16:09:48] Casufi: Подскажите, если использовать c Django SQLAlchemy вместо его родного ORM, можно будет пользоваться джанговкой админкой или нужно будет делат свою ?
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[16:10:29] red-agent: что SA может такого, чего не может родной ORM?
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<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
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[16:26:40] sevenov: Casufi, можно. Алхимию можно цеплять к моделям.
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<ivmar> максу 10 мин объяснял че такое форт
<ivmar> че такое обратная поствиксная (польская) нотация) и что такое стек
<ivmar> однако пофигу должно не быть нам это
<ivmar> молодых поколению опыт свой передавать следует
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[16:34:04] Casufi: red-agent: Я не уверен, какой ОРМ мощнее и удобнее, просто присматриваюсь, выбираю. ВОт здесь вот небольшая презенташка Алхимии была, на первый взгляд - красиво
[16:34:07] Casufi: http://pyobject.ru/blog/2008/09/02/sqlalchemy-seminar/#comments
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[16:34:47] red-agent: понятно. занятся нечем
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[16:35:18] Casufi: red-agent: Ну так я пока Django для души копаю, пока за это деньги не платят
[16:35:29] sevenov: Casufi, если ты делаешь сайтик на 2-3 страницы. Даже на 500, на 1000 страниц. с 50 запросами/сек. То Django ORM тебе хватит до жопы
[16:36:04] sevenov: Casufi, забей на алхимию. Она нафиг не нужна.
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[16:37:07] Casufi: sevenov: я думаю это от сайтика зависит. Если там много server side вычислений, которые красивее запихнуть в логику базы, то Django ORM тут слаб
[16:37:44] sevenov: А триггеры на что?
[16:37:44] sevenov: ты и так можешь вычислять
[16:37:44] sevenov: можешь запросы дополнять
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[16:38:00] sevenov: ты повнимательнее изучи орм
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[16:38:10] Casufi: Я давеча с братом обсуждал doctrine это PHP ORM, так они там для MyISAM таблиц сделали поддержку транзакций на уровне ORM
[16:38:38] sevenov: Casufi, и чо? это для быдлокодеров, которые не знают элементарных вещей
[16:38:47] sevenov: нахера это на орм вешать?
[16:38:51] Casufi: sevenov: Тригеры пишутся в самой базе, я не видел как их можно объявлять в Django ЩКЬ
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[16:39:13] Casufi: sevenov: не понял твоего аргумента
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[16:39:52] sevenov: Casufi, я не знаю ни одного человека, кто юзает myisam для серьезного проекта
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[16:40:15] Casufi: sevenov: MyISAM таблица значительно быстрее отдает данные,чем InnoDB, на большом количестве запросов она просто отлично работает
[16:40:32] sevenov: Casufi, неужеди ты делаешь что-то такое, что будет посещаемее яндекса? о_О
[16:40:53] sevenov: Casufi, Ха-ха-ха тебе в лицо
[16:41:10] sevenov: Casufi, щас пойдут писькомерки?
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[16:41:27] Casufi: sevenov: А посему, если у тебя на сайте критично скорость отдачи данных, но инсерты встречаются редко, почему бы не вынести поддержку транзакций в ОРМ
[16:42:11] Casufi: sevenov: Я пока теорию изучаю, Яндекс поди не спешит свое решение выкладывать в общий доступ, а посему приходится искать свои методы
[16:42:29] sevenov: Casufi, а посему, если критична скорость отдачи данных, то надо думать, как пишешь
[16:42:42] sevenov: и чуть ли не разрисовывать все на бумажке
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[16:43:11] Casufi: sevenov: Ну выше органичений InnoDB ты все равно не прыгнешь
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[16:44:36] xa4a: если у тебя на сайте критично скорость отдачи данных, но инсерты встречаются редко, почему бы не заюзать коучдб?
[16:44:40] Casufi: sevenov: мы вообщето в сторону от вопроса уехали, есть люди которым нравится PHP и Доктрина и таблицы они делают в МайИсам, ну пусть себе делают дальше. Меня пока ни ПХП ни Доктрина не волнуют
[16:44:50] mishok13: такое ощущение, что на мускуле весь мир зациклился
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[16:44:59] Casufi: И Даже MySQL я пока не пользуюсь
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[16:45:31] sevenov: Casufi, и про какие же ты ограничения InnoDB говоришь?
[16:45:33] Casufi: меня интересует вопрос как писать нагруженные сайты на PostreSQL
[16:45:44] sevenov: Если не хочешь с этим заморачиваться, юзай постгрес
[16:46:04] sevenov: И откуда такие выводы, что myisam отдает быстрее?
[16:46:08] mishok13: ыыыы
[16:46:15] sevenov: не, может быть я не прав и я отстал
[16:46:20] mishok13: а кто ж всю нагрузку то на БД оставляет?
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[16:46:31] mishok13: про мемкеш слыхал?
[16:46:47] Casufi: mishok13: слыхал
[16:47:05] mishok13: а про postgis слыхал?
[16:47:19] xa4a: а про couchdb!?
[16:47:20] Casufi: mishok13: нет
[16:47:23] sevenov: mishok13, ну, когда мы писали документооборот, нам приходилось на сервер всю нагрузку оставлять, ибо комны типа Celeron 433 :)
[16:47:37] sevenov: Casufi, как же ты теорию БД учишь, и не знаешь про постгрес? оО
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[16:48:21] Casufi: postgresql знаю но postgis не слышал и couchdb тоже
[16:48:22] sevenov: xa4a окончательно помешался на couchdb ^^
[16:48:57] sevenov: а, гы ) я прочитал мишка как postgres ))
[16:49:13] xa4a: sevenov: ну это максимально точно подходит под "если у тебя на сайте критично скорость отдачи данных, но инсерты встречаются редко"
[16:49:43] sevenov: xa4a, ну да. Недавно читал, много читал про couch. Понравилось.
[16:49:54] sevenov: xa4a, но так же он хочет юзать орм )
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[16:50:21] Casufi: sevenov: вот, ключевое слово
[16:50:50] sevenov: Casufi, в общем. В руки тебе джанго орм, постгря и боунсер :)
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[16:53:01] Casufi: sevenov: В Джанго ОРМ возможно тригеры прописывать или их нужно будет вешать отдельно напрямую в базу ?
[16:53:21] Casufi: И чем вам так Алхимия не угодила ?
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[16:54:39] piranha: red-agent: алхимия умеет коннекшен пул, например
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[16:55:09] sevenov: Casufi, теперь объясни зачем тебе триггер вешать на orm?
[16:56:06] tilarids: piranha: кажется, на одном из эксепшнов как раз рассказывали, как заюзать коннекшн пул алхимии для джангоорма
[16:56:24] tilarids: или я уже чего напутал за давностью времен
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[16:56:34] Casufi: Ну если базу описывать в ОРМ, то описывать польностью, а если часть описания держишь в ОРМ, а часть в SQL то нафига такое решение ?
[16:56:52] sevenov: Casufi, чо?
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[16:57:10] Casufi: Не проще ли тогда всю базу написать в чистом SQL и потом подключить ее к ORM ?
[16:57:11] sevenov: вообще все разденились
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[16:57:23] sevenov: *разленились
[16:57:26] Casufi: В DjangoORM я не видел как это сделать
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[16:59:06] xa4a: Casufi: писать ddl руками, а dml оставлять орму - нормальная практика
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[17:00:06] sevenov: какой-то я злой
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[17:04:33] piranha: tilarids: не, внятно - никак
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[17:04:48] piranha: т.е. можешь юзать отдельно алхимию, отдельно джанговский
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[17:04:52] piranha: хотя... да, я гоню
[17:04:56] piranha: сагалаев рассказывал
[17:05:02] piranha: но там не всё так чисто
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[17:05:17] piranha: т.е. управлять неудобно всем очень - всё равно джанговский орм ограничен
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[17:06:25] tilarids: ограниченность и простота - две стороны одной медали
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[17:07:07] piranha: :)
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[17:11:17] xa4a: byteflow.hackndev.org - чьё?
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[17:13:43] piranha: ггг
[17:13:52] piranha: я уже тоже попадал на них
[17:14:25] sevenov: blog/index.php/ :)
[17:14:36] piranha: =)
[17:14:37] piranha: угу
[17:14:40] sevenov: В данный момент учусь еще в школе, в свободное время посвящаю себя программированию и администрированию.
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[17:14:44] sevenov: :)
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[17:30:58] Casufi: sevenov: Ты в блоге выкладывал "Learning Python, 3rd Edition" не могбы перезалить ?
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[17:32:56] sevenov: Casufi, ща
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[17:34:07] sevenov: http://sevenov.info/static/uploads/learning-python-3rd-edition.9780596513986.30150.pdf
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[17:36:17] Лис: slav0nic,
In [4]: qs = Order.objects.all()
In [5]: qs.query.group_by = ['region']
In [6]: [it.region for it in qs]
Out[6]: [u'1', u'eu', u'us']
[17:36:20] Лис: зацени да :)
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[17:36:48] slav0nic: уже работает на постгресе?
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[17:37:35] Лис: гмгм
[17:37:38] Лис: ща попробю %)
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[17:41:26] Casufi: sevenov: спасибо
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[17:44:01] Лис: slav0nic, неа, е пашет
[17:44:17] slav0nic: отож) мыж давно с тобой этоже тестили
[17:44:39] Лис: а я вот забыл просто, мы туда лист пизали или чо
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[17:44:52] slav0nic: да его
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[17:50:40] Лис: Мальчик был настолько ленив, что просыпался пораньше, чтобы подольше ни хуя не делать.
[17:50:50] Лис: :D
[17:50:55] sevenov: :-DDD
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[17:52:58] red-agent: A2K: я глянул две серии кид-2008
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[17:53:13] red-agent: как-то не очень
[17:53:17] A2K: я только скачал, еще не смотрел
[17:53:43] red-agent: я с TPB стянул
[17:53:51] red-agent: без перевода
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[17:54:18] A2K: у меня с торрентс.ру, с переводом :)
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[17:55:35] red-agent: на хую я вертел такой перевод =)
[17:55:36] red-agent: одноголосный
[17:55:45] Лис: http://lleo.aha.ru/dnevnik/
[17:55:48] Лис: хохо
[17:56:06] red-agent: перевод должен быть дубляж
[17:56:10] red-agent: либо смотреть оригинал
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[17:57:45] A2K: не, нормально. дискомфорта не ощущается
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[17:58:32] A2K: "...никогда не вдиле настолько сложных алгоритмов..." - говорит чувак, посмотрев пару секунд на монитор )
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[18:00:32] mishok13: какой-то неграмотный хакир
[18:00:54] red-agent: хакир самоучка =(
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[18:07:28] A2K: сиськи какие-то маленькие
[18:07:31] A2K: совсем маленькие
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[18:07:59] Лис: :D
eugenes: Мне в целом нужно крупный заказ ... тогда буду джангу учить на реальном заказе
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[18:09:19] sevenov: /me смеется eugenes'у в лицо расбрасывая слюни во все стороны
[18:09:37] mishok13: хороший подход
[18:09:40] mishok13: .
[18:10:08] Лис: у меня чуть истерика не случилась
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[18:10:32] Лис: как вы думаешь, на чём чел пишет сейчас? ;)
[18:10:39] Лис: думаете*
[18:10:49] sevenov: пых )
[18:10:53] mishok13: джава?
[18:11:12] Лис: похапэ
[18:11:20] Лис: это state of mind такой
[18:11:23] Лис: %)
[18:11:27] sevenov: ха, ну так и знал. Я таких за милю чую )
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[18:18:05] mishok13: один мой друг этим страдает
[18:18:20] mishok13: я ему все вбиваю мысль, что ограничивать себя пхп не стоит
[18:18:34] mishok13: на что он мне отвечает, "ну, я еще плюсы подтяну"
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[18:19:16] sevenov: Вот если бы плюсовик сказал, что-то типа "думаю подучить пхп", то в пхп скорее всего стало на одного больше более-менее грамотного программиста
[18:19:32] sevenov: а если человек учился программингу с пхп, то все - мы его теряем
[18:19:42] A2K: sevenov, а ты с чего начинал?
[18:19:51] mishok13: глупая какая-то мысль
[18:19:56] mishok13: главное, чтобы мозги работали
[18:19:56] sevenov: гыгы, basic c48
[18:20:20] sevenov: mishok13, согласен. Но пых атрофирует мозг, имхо. И не учит думать.
[18:21:20] mishok13: питон тоже атрофирует :)
[18:21:36] A2K: питон это вообще другое программирование
[18:21:48] sevenov: mishok13, не, тут как-то по другому
[18:21:56] sevenov: mishok13, не согласен :)
[18:22:10] red-agent: php учит. только самому хуевому
[18:22:26] mishok13: A2K, чем оно от программирования на схеме отличается?
[18:22:29] red-agent: php вобще эталон. реализация почти любого концепта в нем - эталонно хуевая
[18:22:46] Лис: гг
[18:23:01] sevenov: О! А я сегодня видел питоновода, живого. которыйИменуетФункцииВот так, А_Классы_Вот_Так
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[18:23:25] Лис: омг
[18:23:25] A2K: mishok13, со схемом я не могу обьективно сравнивать. но от паскаля/с отличается очень сильно.
[18:23:29] Лис: клёва
[18:23:33] Лис: я тоже так буду делать
[18:23:34] Лис: :D
[18:23:38] sevenov: :D
[18:23:44] sevenov: Он был живой :-D
[18:23:49] mishok13: A2K, охебать ты и сравнил
[18:23:58] A2K: ну, старался
[18:23:59] Лис: что бы шпионы не догадались
[18:24:04] A2K: чтоб понятнее было мою мысль
[18:24:23] A2K: а пхп наследует идеи C. только как-то через жопу
[18:24:30] mishok13: ШИТО?
[18:24:35] sevenov: A2K, он нифига не наследует
[18:24:42] sevenov: A2K, ни одной идеи
[18:25:02] Лис: бля
__xmpp-client.tcp.ya.ru. 7200 IN CNAME corba-http-rc.yandex.ru.
[18:25:04] Лис: это чо?!
[18:25:12] A2K: sevenov, наверное мы по разному понимаем что такое идеи с
[18:25:18] Лис: сюда отправлять клиента подключатся что ли?!
[18:25:45] sevenov: A2K, наверное.
[18:26:06] mishok13: A2K, расскажи нам, какие идеи похапэ взяло у си?
[18:26:10] A2K: sevenov, аа! у китта эппловская клава!
[18:26:29] sevenov: A2K, чо? о_О
[18:26:30] A2K: mishok13, наверное, я имел в виду, что оно заставляет думать процедурно
[18:26:35] A2K: sevenov, ой, это не тебе было
[18:26:42] A2K: red-agent, про эппловскую клаву - тебе
[18:26:43] sevenov: фуф =)
[18:27:02] mishok13: процедурно заставляет думать мозг
[18:27:10] mishok13: и обьектно-ориентировано тоже
[18:27:33] A2K: mishok13, и что ты хотел этим сказать?
[18:27:36] red-agent: A2K: наверное ты просто не понимаешь, в чем концепты Си
[18:27:55] red-agent: от Си php разве что унаследовал часть синтаксических конструкций
[18:27:56] A2K: red-agent, нет, знаю. я плохо выразился.
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[18:28:14] mishok13: A2K, что я хотел сказать, я сказал, но ты не понял
[18:28:34] sevenov: red-agent, синтаксис, к стати, больше от жабы или шарпа
[18:28:51] mishok13: у похапэ от перла синтаксис
[18:29:03] red-agent: у перла от Си
[18:29:08] red-agent: преимущественно
[18:29:23] mishok13: $@# от сей?
[18:30:08] sevenov: нене, я говорил про мелочи типа:
class MyClass extends BaseClass{}
private function name(){}, а не
private:
function name(){}
[18:30:11] red-agent: я сказал *часть* конструкций
[18:30:14] red-agent: а не все в точности
[18:30:49] A2K: я вообще другое имел в виду. нет, я сейчас, наверное, это не смогу обьяснить. спросите завтра
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[18:31:02] sevenov: A2K, сегодня пил? :)
[18:31:07] kron4eg: хохо
[18:31:11] A2K: не, спал 2.5 часа + 4 пары
[18:31:21] kron4eg: с яндекса даже на cjr можно заходить %)
[18:31:36] mishok13: это типа новость?
[18:31:48] mishok13: jabber.ru на яндексовой площадке крутится
[18:32:07] kron4eg: кул :)
[18:32:11] sevenov: A2K, а, понятно
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[18:32:29] sevenov: я чет не понял про cjr oO
[18:32:37] mishok13: conference.jabber.ru
[18:32:51] sevenov: не, это я понял. Я как бе тоже со своего сервака захожу
[18:32:55] mishok13: Лис зашел сюда через яндекс
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[18:33:08] Лис: с ya.ru джаббер сервака
[18:33:19] sevenov: а это было не реально?
[18:35:39] A2K: это просто фича протокола
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[18:52:56] Лис: видали Materialized Path Tree?
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[18:53:47] Лис: http://django-treebeard.googlecode.com/svn/docs/index.html#module-treebeard.mp_tree
[18:54:27] tilarids: /me ненавидит людей
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[18:55:19] sevenov: tilarids, нам red-agent'a хватает :)
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[18:56:29] tilarids: /me ненавидит определенных людей. Я просто не знаю, кто они, но я их ненавижу. Всей душой
[18:57:03] Лис: tilarids, ты ненавидишь в холостую
[18:57:19] Лис: зря расходуешь энергию
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[19:01:11] tilarids: думаешь?
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[19:19:36] red-agent: бля, последний раз с tpb сливаю
[19:20:09] A2K: медленно?
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[19:21:11] red-agent: да, пиры тормозные
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[19:28:57] xa4a: а isohunt.com?
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[19:34:14] A2K: да то же самое
[19:34:21] A2K: лучше чем torrents.ru пока что ничего нету
[19:34:32] A2K: для игрушек только torrents.net.ua
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[19:37:09] slav0nic: http://itua.info/news/hardware/17519.html
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[20:40:55] sevenov: /me заюзал ubiquiy - охуенная штука
[20:41:06] sevenov: * Ubiquity
[20:41:50] A2K: чем она круче оперы?
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[20:43:24] sevenov: Эммм.. Ну, это просто консолька для фф )
[20:43:41] sevenov: а опера меня вообще бесит
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[20:44:01] sevenov: не будем спорить на тему оперы и фф, нет смысла
[20:44:12] A2K: дада
[20:44:13] A2K: не надо
[20:44:18] A2K: опера просто лучше
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[20:45:05] sevenov: A2K, ну сли так хочешь, то попробуй доказать
[20:45:16] sevenov: я спорить не буду, но почитаю твои доводы :)
[20:45:26] A2K: у неё круглая иконка
[20:45:46] sevenov: которая похожа на очко ^^
[20:46:20] A2K: по крайней мере не привлекает фурфагов ^^
[20:46:29] sevenov: это кто? :)
[20:46:35] xa4a: у фирфокса тоже круглая
[20:46:44] A2K: xa4a, о, неужели! а я и не знал!
[20:46:45] xa4a: а ещё она привлекает фурфагов!
[20:46:48] A2K: но не красненькая же!
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[20:47:01] sevenov: xa4a, у оперы красное, разработаное очко :)
[20:47:06] A2K: вот когда иконка фф будет красной от крови фурей, я смогу её юзать
[20:47:23] xa4a: конечно. и не розовенькая. она разносторонне раскрывает сущность инета
[20:47:26] sevenov: A2K, а что мешает сменить иконку ;-)
[20:47:49] A2K: наверное то что она вернётся на стурю после обновления
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[20:49:08] sevenov: A2K, перечитал несколько раз. Не понял, что ты написал =(
[20:50:03] A2K: прикинь, я тоже
[20:50:07] A2K: говорил же, невыспался
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[20:54:32] sevenov: A2K, а. Да. Забыл.
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[21:12:36] xa4a: matlab умеет замыкания?
[21:13:12] xa4a: никто не сталкивался?
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[22:23:07] slav0nic: Лис, в постгресе статистику запросов можно глянуть как-то по простому? узнать среднее чсило запросов в секунду
[22:23:38] Лис: ойой, шо то там было
[22:23:39] Лис: но я не помню
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[22:25:02] slav0nic: блять кот пробел на ноуте отодрал, терь как-то не так он работает)
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[22:40:45] Лис: чо то гаджим сожрал нескомно РАМ-ы, 58 метров
[22:41:15] Лис: кто знает более легковесные?
[22:41:26] piranha: я знаю, но не скажу
[22:41:51] piranha: :)
[22:41:55] xa4a: я скажу kopete, но не знаю
[22:42:06] piranha: та копыто тож толстое вроде
[22:42:33] Лис: ну да, кеды-либс жеж
[22:42:54] xa4a: а вообще 2гб рам и пох %)
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[22:43:09] Лис: это да
[22:43:30] sevenov: хм. у меня 28 мб
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[22:43:38] Лис: а у меня 768 всего
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[22:43:45] Лис: метров понятное дело :D
[22:43:47] xa4a: xa4a 4563 0.4 2.1 90080 45168 ? R 16:14 1:49 /usr/kde/3.5/bin/kopete
[22:44:02] sevenov: Лис, попробуй psi?
[22:44:05] xa4a: 45мб
[22:44:37] Лис: 1) psi Тоже КДЕ-либс
2) psi не умеет TLS
3) psi - гавно
[22:44:49] Лис: ээ
[22:44:54] Лис: унылое*
[22:44:55] Лис: :)
[22:47:30] xa4a: (22:44:36) Лис: 1) psi Тоже КДЕ-либс
[22:47:37] xa4a: мне кажется одна черепашка пиздит
[22:47:48] Лис: ну ладно QT
[22:48:12] Лис: заметь, с 3-им пунктом ты не споришь :D
[22:48:21] sevenov: Лис, он умеет SSL
[22:48:37] Лис: SSL - это нахрен legacy
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[22:49:00] Лис: нормальные клиенты, (и даже быдло поделия, и те) умеют TLS
[22:50:50] sevenov: Лис, ты просто придераешься. ращницы почти нет
[22:51:21] xa4a: Лис: я psi никогда не видел в глаза
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