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[03:42:15] A2K: как передать список не ссылкой?
[03:42:16] A2K: red-agent, ?
[03:42:29] red-agent: что?
[03:42:31] red-agent: ты о чем?
[03:42:44] A2K: list1 = []
[03:42:46] A2K: list2 = list1
[03:42:47] red-agent: ну
[03:42:50] red-agent: ну
[03:42:53] red-agent: copy
[03:42:54] A2K: при работе с list2 это будет работа с list1
[03:43:05] red-agent: скопируй список
[03:43:25] A2K: каким образом? вручную?
[03:44:06] red-agent: import copy
[03:44:23] A2K: ага, понял, спасибо
[03:44:32] A2K: фсё, вроде сделал
[03:44:39] A2K: /me закончил последнюю лабу в семестре ^_^
[03:45:01] red-agent:
In [3]: import copy

In [4]: l1 = [1, 2, 3]

In [5]: l2 = copy.copy (l1)

In [6]: l2[0] = 9

In [7]: l1
Out[7]: [1, 2, 3]

In [8]: l2
Out[8]: [9, 2, 3]

In [9]:
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[03:46:31] red-agent: /me сломал MD
[03:46:33] A2K: /me ушел спать
[03:46:36] red-agent: и теперь нечем занятся
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
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[08:41:29] MAVr: /me приветствует всех!
[08:41:35] лорд Морфий: привет и тебе
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
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[09:22:15] Лис: http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=19497
[09:22:21] Лис: кто в теме, что скажете?
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
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[10:07:42] mishok13_: l2 = l1[:]
[10:07:48] mishok13_: и никаких import copy
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[10:21:30] jedgar: ыыы, автор говнокод.ру мистер хэнки ))
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
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[11:02:54] mishok13_: renyare, если ты напишешь l2 = list(l1) то будешь полагаться на имплементацию
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[11:04:28] renyare: зато я точно буду знать, что получаю массив. Если l1, например генератор или другой класс, не факт, что сплайс будет работать
[11:05:03] mishok13_: "сплайс" гыгы
[11:05:09] mishok13_: slice, блджад
[11:05:31] renyare: ой, сорри
[11:05:34] mishok13_: если это генератор будет, то ты его законсюмишь
[11:05:40] mishok13_: и всё, нет твоего генератора
[11:05:57] renyare: а слайс не законсюмит?
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[11:06:44] mishok13_: ты задачу видел?
[11:06:50] mishok13_: надо скопировать список
[11:06:55] mishok13_: не генератор, а список
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[11:09:31] renyare: ну, если про задачу говорить, то мой вариант т сработает так же. Но про имплементацию я понял, спасибо - буду знать.
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[12:01:05] gigimon: утра
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
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[12:51:19] piranha: вчера посмотрел на луа с другой стороны
[12:51:25] piranha: вообще довольно прикольный язык
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[12:51:40] Typhon: ты игрался просто или что-то делал?
[12:51:43] piranha: игрался
[12:51:48] piranha: метатаблицы - прикольная идея
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[12:51:58] piranha: хотя в питоне можно таким тоже заниматься
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[13:00:45] mishok13_: метатаблицы?
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[13:04:46] piranha: mishok13: да, глянь в педивикии
[13:05:40] Typhon: что-то типа перегрузки операторов получается, не?
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[13:07:28] piranha: ну что-то такое
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[13:08:32] mishok13_: не знаю, не знаю
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[13:08:57] mishok13_: как-то луа не впечатляет этими metatable'ми
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[13:11:19] piranha: :)
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[13:37:51] Лис: http://davydov.blogspot.com/2008/12/blog-post_7954.html
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[13:46:04] piranha: всё верно :)
[13:46:09] mishok13: ну, правильно
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[13:46:46] Лис: а я шо, я не отрицаю
[13:47:11] mishok13: давыдов жует и в рот кладёт
[13:47:16] Лис: давыдова в экономические советники президента!
[13:47:32] mishok13: поэтому его статьи надо давать читать 95% населения
[13:47:59] Лис: ага, особенно когда он про pizdets is here пишет :)
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[13:48:33] mishok13: кто-то пробовал на 32-битной машинке собирать 64-битные дебы?
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[13:53:05] Лис: вопрос: как мигрировать сайт с одного сервака на другой, да так что бы не почувствовать всей прелести обновления DNS кэша?
[13:53:43] Casufi: держать две копии сайта и сделать между ними репликацию
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[13:54:36] Лис: гым
[13:54:38] Casufi: по другому никак, ДНС зоны в любом случае требуют дня два на распространение
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
[13:55:02] piranha: угу
[13:55:15] Лис: какие ещё будут предложения? :)
[13:55:31] Casufi: Можешь еще попробовать повесить сайт на субдомен. Если субдомен новый он быстрее пропагейтится
[13:56:08] Лис: /me знает правильный ответ, но мне интересно, как быстро вы до него догадаетесь ;)
[13:56:18] renyare: перенести всё на новый, на старом поставить редирект
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[13:56:37] Casufi: renyare: ну если новый домен
[13:56:50] Лис: s/редирект/прокси/
[13:57:11] Casufi: тоже метод
[13:57:32] Лис: да уж без реплик обошлось :)
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[13:58:08] Casufi: Лис: не хочешь же ты сказать что это единственный возможный
[13:58:14] yajon: привет всем
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[13:59:00] Лис: не, ну hello world тоже можно написать на мегабайт, ну дак это не значит что так надо делать
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[14:00:28] yajon: помогите написать фильтр, который может отобрать из кода страницы текст в <td></td>
[14:00:46] Casufi: Есть тут извращенцы, которые Aptana/PyDev используют ? Можно ли из него выдрать к чертям поддержку Cloud ?
[14:00:53] piranha: yajon: BeautilfulSoup возьми и доку его почитай
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[14:11:53] piranha: лхмл хотит большего, чем суп :)
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
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[15:40:37] Лис: piranha, помнишь недавно говорили, как бы джангу наимение хакерски заставить понимать локализованные URL? так вот, никаки %)
[15:40:42] Лис: хачить надо полюбому
[15:40:46] Лис: http://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/django/core/urlresolvers.py#L174
[15:40:49] Лис: вот эту хреновину
[15:42:02] Лис: и наследовать его понта нет, внутри джанги все обращаются к нему напрямую
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[15:42:40] Лис: django.core.urlresolvers.RegexURLResolver
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[15:44:45] piranha: Лис: пнятно
[15:44:47] piranha: тупо
[15:46:20] Лис: так вот, что хуже захачить request.path_info (вырезать оттуда признаки локальных урл-ов) или переписать RegexURLResolver.resolve
[15:46:22] Лис: ?!
[15:46:34] piranha: переписать урлрезолвер
[15:46:43] piranha: лучше path_info фигачь
[15:46:51] piranha: хотя бля
[15:46:55] piranha: тебе ж урлы надо переписывать
[15:46:57] Лис: манкипатчем можно зацепить свой вариант resolve
[15:47:03] piranha: жопа
[15:47:54] Лис: в принципе мне надо что бы у УРЛ-ов появился параметр locale :)
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[15:49:43] Лис: http://dumpz.org/4018/
[15:49:52] Лис: вот такая примерно картина получается
[15:50:47] Лис: но к примеру, та же админка ругается ацки
TypeError at /en/admin/
root() got an unexpected keyword argument 'locale'
[15:52:47] piranha: =)
[15:52:50] piranha: кеке
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[15:55:00] Лис: и ещё в RegexURLResolver.resolve из результирующего словаря ключь locale вырезать (и активировать нужную локаль) то получится очень мило :)
[15:55:13] Лис: s/ещё/если/
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[15:58:32] Лис: http://dumpz.org/4019/
[15:58:35] Лис: вот так вот
[15:58:52] Лис: ну, понятное дело мутить это манкипатчем :)
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[15:59:27] Лис: locale = sub_match_dict.pop('locale', None)
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[16:01:46] Лис: а можно resolve в декоратор завернуть
[16:02:03] Лис: или нельзя?
[16:02:10] Лис: в рантайме
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[16:04:31] Лис: piranha
[16:04:39] Лис: mishok13, мож ты знаешь?
[16:04:51] renyare: я бы заманкипатчил своей ф-цией, которая вызывает оригинальный resolve. И сделал бы это через наружную миддлварь.
[16:05:12] piranha: Лис: можно, конечно
[16:05:22] Лис: каг?
[16:05:26] piranha: resolve = resolve_gen(resolve)
[16:05:55] Лис: A.huis = huis_decorator(A.huis)
[16:06:07] piranha: ага
[16:06:11] renyare: ещё можно через метаклассы наверное, но это будет изврат )
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[16:09:39] mishok13: через метаклассы это знатный изврат, однозначно
[16:09:48] mishok13: учитывая, что в 2.6 есть class decorators
[16:10:15] Лис: у меня везде 2.5 :)
[16:10:56] mishok13: you should be ashamed of yourself
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[16:14:06] renyare: I am
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[16:15:31] Лис: http://dumpz.org/4020/
[16:15:37] Лис: итого вот чо получается
[16:15:41] Лис: и даже работает
[16:15:42] Лис: %)
[16:18:04] mishok13: from functools import wraps, мазефакер, йобана
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[16:26:07] Лис: не совсем поинмаю, что это даёт
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[16:26:27] Лис: что с wraps, что без него работает
[16:26:45] piranha: тю на тебя
[16:26:52] piranha: это даёт сохранение имени функции и её док
[16:26:54] лорд Морфий is now КАКОЙ КРИЗИС? Каждому сотруднику в офисе предоставляется пульт с двумя надписями:
"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
[16:26:55] piranha: *доки
[16:27:17] Лис: а
[16:27:18] Лис: %)
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[16:29:14] Лис: запомню
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[16:29:55] Лис: piranha, ну а вообще, шо скажешь? :)
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[16:38:30] gigimon: pyscripter никто не юзает?
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[16:39:23] gigimon: незнаете как сделать чтобы имена у табов были не только имя файла,но и папка в котоорой он?
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[16:39:38] gigimon: а то уже путаюсь между 3мя views и моделями
[16:39:49] gigimon: и такое же в эклипсе как сделать?
[16:40:34] mishok13: ну имакс же
[16:41:17] renyare: ты в начале файла ставь комментарий, типа "эта мадееель" ))
[16:41:53] gigimon: а потом переименовывать перд запуском?кхм
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"кофе" "минет". У хороших сотрудников - это кнопки, у плохих - лампочки.
[16:42:10] gigimon: mishok13: прчием тут имакс?
[16:42:47] mishok13: при том, что конфигурабелен
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[16:44:01] piranha: Лис: ну если всё работает, то в чём проблема? ;)
[16:44:18] Лис: reverse не работает :D
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[16:44:22] Лис: сука :(
[16:44:26] piranha: а :(
[16:44:32] piranha: ну его тоже манкипатчь ;)
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[16:52:00] gigimon: mishok13: не хочу тратить неделю на изучение и настройку :)
[16:52:44] mishok13: непонятно как с таким настроением ты выучил питон :/
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[17:03:44] tilarids: на питон не надо неделя, чтобы проникнуться
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[17:05:50] Лис: гым
[17:06:03] Лис: reverse тока с админкой перестаёт дружить
[17:06:51] gigimon: mishok13: а зачем мне менять эклипс, который мне удобен, на то, что с первого взгляда мне неудобно?)
[17:07:32] mishok13: tilarids, и сколько же надо времени, чтобы проникнуться питоном?
[17:07:51] mishok13: gigimon, прийдет время и ты поймешь
[17:07:57] gigimon: ну не спорю)
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[17:08:46] tilarids: mishok13: для прочтения туториала и пары экспериментов нужно дня 3 :) Он же реально простой
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[17:09:22] mishok13: ну, тогда обрадую тебя -- 3 дня хватит на любой ЯП
[17:11:03] tilarids: не думаю, если честно
[17:11:07] tilarids: питон проще всех
[17:11:34] mishok13: прям всех?
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[17:12:11] tilarids: mishok13: из тех, что я знаю. Не придирайся, я ж не придирался, когда ты говорил про "любой ЯП"
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[17:12:55] mishok13: я просто очень сомневаюсь, что "проникнуться" языком можно за 3 дня
[17:13:01] mishok13: за месяц даже сложно
[17:13:27] tilarids: что ты имеешь в виду под "проникнуться"?
[17:14:01] tilarids: я под этим имею в виду "осознать все языковые конструкции, понять дзен и смысл"
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[17:14:10] mishok13: понять дзен за три дня?
[17:14:16] tilarids: у питона он краток :)
[17:14:24] mishok13: вот ты прямо за три дня сразу начал писать идиоматичный код?
[17:14:43] tilarids: идиоматичного кода не существует
[17:15:13] mishok13: нюню
[17:16:17] tilarids: кажется, в описании wine были золотые слова
[17:16:24] gigimon: кхм
[17:16:38] gigimon: понять все конструкции, дзен я думаю и гоад может не хватить
[17:16:49] tilarids: о том, что сначала было 0 байт кода и этот код был идеален и не имел багов. А потом разрабы начали добавлять баги
[17:17:02] tilarids: понять дзен и использовать дзен - не одно и то же
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[17:32:14] jedgar: /me так и не понял у кого тут дзен длиннее
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[18:37:56] Лис: piranha, так я так и не понял твоего мнения, чо лучше, хачить path_info или хачить URLResolver?
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[18:38:53] piranha: Лис: та хер знает. path_info если хакнешь, то тебе придётся изменять урлы во всех документах
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[18:38:58] piranha: хотя...
[18:39:06] piranha: ты можешь хакнуть {% url %} и reverse
[18:39:12] piranha: чтоб они выдавали то, что надо
[18:39:26] piranha: в принципе я бы сказал, что пох. Лучший вариант - сделать так, чтоб работало. :)
[18:39:37] Лис: т.е. с одной стороны 1 хак, а с другой 3 (минимум)
[18:39:40] piranha: типа, пока не сделаешь, не поймёшь, насколько всё плохо
[18:39:46] piranha: не
[18:39:52] piranha: что там, что там - 2 раза
[18:39:57] piranha: один раз на входе, другой - на выходе
[18:40:00] Лис: с path_info я уже делал, там всё пашет
[18:40:02] Лис: нифига
[18:40:08] Лис: никаких выходов
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[18:40:35] piranha: ну так и забей
[18:40:40] piranha: пускай работает :)
[18:41:21] Лис: надо бы почистить тот мидлварь...
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[19:09:56] Хрюндель (джангист): Шаломчеги
[19:12:14] Хрюндель (джангист): Кто может придумать имя для ящика на gmail со словом anderson?
я пробовал anderson.email, anderson.smart, anderson3k - всё занято..
[19:12:51] Хрюндель (джангист): что нибудь такое, солидное
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[19:14:01] gigimon: mr.anderson
[19:14:17] Лис: тока хотел сказать %)
[19:14:30] gigimon: если занято-mister.anderson )
[19:14:41] Хрюндель (джангист): о, идея хорошая.. ща попробую
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[19:15:45] redbrick: ianderson?
[19:16:28] redbrick: Или даже dr. :-).
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[19:18:14] slav0nic: stupid.jew.anderson
[19:18:16] penpen: anderson.here
[19:18:42] Лис: перл переехал на git
[19:18:45] Лис: интересно
[19:18:52] Лис: скока занимает репа
[19:18:54] Хрюндель (джангист): блин.. был же вроде свободный mr.anderson, пока регал заняли
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[19:18:57] Хрюндель (джангист): сцуки!!
[19:19:20] slav0nic: ахаха, размечтлася там уже всё занято читаемое)
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[19:21:46] Хрюндель (джангист): давайте ещё
[19:22:07] Хрюндель (джангист): а то я свободное нашёл только anderson.ninja@gmail.com ))
[19:22:43] redbrick: clever.anderson
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[19:23:26] Хрюндель (джангист): да даже anderson.white занято
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[19:23:39] Хрюндель (джангист): быстрей нормальный домен можно найти чем адрес на gmail
[19:24:25] redbrick: russian.anderson :-) ?
[19:25:41] red-agent: ander.son.of.a.bitch
[19:25:47] Хрюндель (джангист): гугл даёт замечательные подсказки по свободным адресам.. вот этот особенно понравился
ndrsnmstr733@gmail.com
[19:25:48] redbrick: Ну или по подобию. anderson.ru/ua
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[19:26:15] red-agent: and3rs0n попробуй еще
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[19:28:27] Лис: stupid.jew.anderson доступно говорит :)
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[19:30:18] Хрюндель (джангист): anderson.self@gmail.com
нормалёк?
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[19:33:11] Хрюндель (джангист): ура..
self.anderson@gmail.com
[19:33:15] Хрюндель (джангист): пишите письма ))
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[19:36:51] Лис: скажите, как часто вы слышите фразу "Будем посмотреть"
[19:36:52] Лис: ?
[19:37:07] penpen: впервые.
[19:37:08] Хрюндель (джангист): Лис, раз в 24 года
[19:37:46] Лис: вот, а я часно, это местный колорит такой
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[19:38:04] Лис: и вот теперь я вижу её в рельсовой рассылке %)
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[20:21:02] Лис: 153M перловый реп, в git-е
[20:21:13] Лис: история с 1987-го года :)
[20:21:30] Лис: правда там до perl 3.0 добрались в 10 коммитов %)
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[22:19:32] Хрюндель (джангист): Как там в джанге показать 404 ошибку?
[22:19:59] xa4a is now online
[22:21:02] xa4a: raise Http404() ? ?
[22:21:10] xa4a: from django.http import Http404
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[22:24:17] Хрюндель (джангист): xa4a, спасибо
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[23:42:32] pit: Привет всем
[23:44:14] xa4a: привет
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[23:45:09] pit: ктонибудь тут MQL4 юзал , пробывал запрос из питона на него посылать ?
[23:45:48] pit: может модуль какой есть :) а то это не язык а :) палка-копалка просто
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[23:55:01] pit: !google mql4 python
[23:55:16] pit: уже был
[23:55:48] pit: !google python MQL4
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[23:59:15] gigimon is now Да, я здесь.