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[00:34:06] sevenov: дампз новый видели?
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[00:36:23] xa4a: не понятна символика кругов
[00:36:54] sevenov: хехе ) я тоже не понял )
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[00:39:33] Александp: хороший сервис
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[00:40:49] xa4a: поломал мой скрипт :\
[00:41:49] sevenov: оО
[00:41:58] sevenov: windows-1251? :)
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[00:42:48] xa4a: э?
[00:44:14] sevenov: а как сломалось? )
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[00:47:14] xa4a: urllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 404: NOT FOUND
[00:47:22] xa4a: скрипт, который туда файлы кидал
[00:47:44] sevenov: аа ))
[00:49:43] slav0nic: товарищи студенты, как в математеге среднее арифметическое обозначается?
[00:52:24] xa4a: в статистике чёрточкой сверху
[00:52:39] xa4a: иногда
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[03:32:45] slav0nic: red-agent, ты хоть когда-то спишь?)
[03:33:04] red-agent: зависит.
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[03:36:29] sevenov: о, не только я не сплю )
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[05:17:28] sevenov: http://pridedesign.ru/works/dumpz/
>Логотип отражает в себе архивную иерархию информации.
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[06:07:50] red-agent: (facepalm)
[06:08:37] red-agent: мало того, что новый "дизайн" - говно, так он еще и бездарный.
[06:08:48] red-agent: шрифт должен быть _моноширный_ бля
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[06:35:41] sevenov: red-agent, хз. диз лучше прежнего
[06:36:55] sevenov: http://sevenov.info/anime/USB-HDD/
[06:36:58] sevenov: бля
[06:37:11] sevenov: пора спать
[06:38:37] red-agent: sevenov: куда он там в пизду лучше?
[06:39:00] sevenov: http://old.dumpz.org
[06:39:18] red-agent: старый был лучше имхо
[06:39:20] red-agent: это а)
[06:39:36] red-agent: б) хоть бы шрифт догадался моноширный поставить, гениальный дизайнер
[06:40:00] red-agent: в) зачем там инлайн таблица стилей? так браузер не кеширует её и это лишние затраты
[06:41:06] sevenov: >так браузер не кеширует её
чо? там <li><a>
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[06:42:28] red-agent: <style type="text/css">
[06:42:35] red-agent: и все заебашено прямо в тело
[06:43:37] sevenov: браузер кеширует:
- css
- html
[06:43:54] sevenov: или ты про чето другое?
[06:44:16] red-agent: (facepalm)
[06:44:43] sevenov: Доо, слово то модное, хуле
[06:44:45] red-agent: стили, которые подключены через <link rel="stylesheet"> кешируются браузером
[06:45:04] red-agent: а которые влеплены прямо в тело через <style> - нет.
[06:45:40] sevenov: ну это понятно, вот только я такого кода не вижу
[06:45:58] red-agent: на любом дампе смотри
[06:46:08] red-agent: ясен-красен, что на главной ты его не видишь =)
[06:46:13] sevenov: а, увидел
[06:46:23] sevenov: бгг, и вправду )
[06:46:52] sevenov: да и css среди html-кода - ужастно
[06:47:02] red-agent: лого покоцанное по краям, тяжело что-ли было налепить его на transparent фон в png?
[06:50:22] sevenov: хехе :) Ты определенно ненавидишь либо дампзы либо лориена :))
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[07:21:43] : piranha has set the subject to: Python.SU | Python 3.0 вышел! | Код постить в dumpz.org | Логи: http://xa4a.org.ua/logs/pythonua@conference.jabber.ru/ | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Разрешено не более 2 тупых вопросов в день от человека, превышающие лимит задавайте на http://itquest.ru/
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[11:48:53] sevenov: Lovely Complex, 1 эпизод, 15 минута: Маленький или большой, пока у тебя есть хуй - ты мужик :D
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[12:55:07] gigimon: ку
[12:55:10] Лис: ку
[12:55:38] sevenov: ку?
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[12:56:12] gigimon: sevenov: привет*
[12:56:19] sevenov: хайлоу
[12:56:44] sevenov: у меня наконец-то дошли руки до itquest. Работа продолжается! Ура, товагищи! )
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[13:23:56] sevenov: Эм. http://sevenov.info/static/uploads/itquest-design.png
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[13:33:07] gigimon: раньше смотрелось лучше
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[17:54:25] Portnov: так, товарищи джангисты, а что нынче используют для fastcgi, чтобы к nginx'у джангу прикрутить?
[17:55:04] montancheg is now Да, я здесь.
[17:55:12] montancheg: Flup вроде используют.
[17:57:08] Portnov: это которое manage.py runfcgi ?
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[17:58:51] montancheg: Может поможет http://www.alrond.com/ru/2007/mar/01/start-django-nginx/
[17:59:25] montancheg: manage.py runfcgi это типа для отладки.
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[17:59:37] montancheg: В продкшн иначе делают.
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[18:00:41] Portnov: гм.
[18:00:45] Portnov: >> запускается ли django в threaded- или в fork-режиме...
[18:00:54] Portnov: а вот как ето "запускается"?
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[18:03:59] Лис: manage.py runfcgi
[18:04:02] Лис: так и запускается
[18:04:12] Лис: только НЕ рекомендую с fastcgi связыватся
[18:04:20] Лис: flup тормозноле и глючное поделие
[18:04:36] Лис: уж лучше cherrypy wsgi сервер взять
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[18:04:46] Лис: (он там отдельным файлом, независимым идёт)
[18:04:59] Лис: а самый просто и удобный деплой, это apache+mode_wsgi
[18:05:05] Лис: mod_wsgi*
[18:05:06] montancheg is now Да, я здесь.
[18:06:03] Portnov: просто у меня сайт в основном на пыхе, его nginx обслуживает. Хочется этот же nginx юзать и для джанги...
[18:06:25] Лис: запускай cherrypy и на него проксируй с nginx-а
[18:06:36] Portnov: и шо, быстрее будет!?
[18:06:45] Лис: да, и безглючнее!
[18:07:15] Лис: flup ужасен, чуть нагрузка, и начинаются exception-ы непонятные сыпаться
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[18:10:20] Лис: Portnov, http://hg.piranha.org.ua/cpserver/
[18:10:34] Лис: "всё украдено до нас" :)
[18:10:50] Portnov: ))
[18:11:05] Portnov: ето шо?
[18:11:43] Лис: это кастомная комманда, для ./manage.py
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[18:22:48] montancheg: Привет всем. Кто-нибудь порекомендует, как решить вопрос? Сайт на джанге, нужно производить выборку за промежуток времени, есть форма, вводятся начальная и конечная дата и время, все работает, проблема в том, что весь сайт использует красивые такие урлы, ЧПУ короче, а тут надо гетом много мусора передавать. Как от этого избавиться? Была идея сделать невидимые элементы формы и их как-то передавать.
[18:23:24] montancheg: Может есть более оригинальное решение.
[18:24:44] xa4a: ajax?
[18:25:00] xa4a: ещё можно данные формы передавать методом post
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[18:25:37] Лис: действительно, нафига оно вообще GET-ом передаётся?
[18:26:19] montancheg: Просто когда пейджинг через гет работает.
[18:26:28] montancheg: То есть просто пейджинг через гет работает.
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[18:26:44] Лис: тогда ajax
[18:27:17] montancheg: Ажакс не хочется. Лучше тогда я все под пост перепишу.
[18:27:27] Лис: нет
[18:27:33] Лис: ты лучше на ajax перепиши
[18:27:34] Лис: :)
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[18:27:51] Лис: редкий случай когда в аяксе есть реальная необходимость
[18:28:00] Лис: а ты его упустить хочешь?
[18:28:24] xa4a: можно дату отображать в виде unix таймстемпа — не так уродливо будет, мб
[18:28:36] montancheg: У меня аякс используется. Но конкретно это не хочу переделывать по него.
[18:29:22] Лис: ага, а таймстамп в base32 кодировать ещё :)
[18:29:25] montancheg: Там получится возни с ажаксом больше, чем с самими данные, но урл портить тоже не хотелось.
[18:29:26] Лис: вообще красота %)
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[18:29:51] montancheg: Я просто думал может туплю и есть мегафича, которая решит мою проблему! :)
[18:30:06] Лис: волшебных палочек в джанге нет
[18:30:08] xa4a: есть, конечно!
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[18:30:19] xa4a: montancheg: но тут тебе о ней не скажут =0
[18:30:22] montancheg: :)
[18:30:24] Лис: :D
[18:30:32] Лис: xa4a, молчи подлец!
[18:30:34] Лис: не пались
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[18:32:59] montancheg: Спасибо, ребят!
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[18:56:03] gigimon: а кто знает, байтфлоу на джанги 1.0.2 работает? переписали формы,админку7
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[18:57:55] xa4a: говорят да
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[19:13:16] Лис: балин
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[19:13:52] Лис: хочу выпустить апликуху, не могу придумать ей название никак чо то...
логично было бы назвать её django-multidb, но такая уже есть!
[19:14:09] Лис: есть идеи как называть?
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[19:14:39] xa4a: multidb-djanngo ?
[19:15:04] Лис: дабл n это так задуманно? или очипятался просто? :)
[19:15:51] xa4a: 2
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[19:35:19] Александp: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "myclient.py", line 23, in <module>
s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_RAW, proto)
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/socket.py", line 159, in __init__
_sock = _realsocket(family, type, proto)
socket.error: (1, 'Operation not permitted')

[19:35:28] xa4a: port <1024
[19:35:45] xa4a: угадал?
[19:35:50] slav0nic: id <> 0
[19:35:55] xa4a: &&
[19:35:55] slav0nic: рау сокеты же
[19:36:03] xa4a: f=а
[19:36:05] Александp: 34454
[19:36:20] slav0nic: раусокеты тока руту дано
[19:36:39] Александp: аа, сейчас попробую
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[19:36:56] Александp: точно!
[19:37:06] Александp: а с чём это связано?
[19:37:14] slav0nic: с ртфмом)
[19:37:26] slav0nic: ибо тупо давать всем кому не лень их юзать
[19:38:12] Александp: хм, я тут с протоколомами разбираюсь. При использовании RAW я могу сам формировать tcp заголовки?
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[19:38:26] slav0nic: scapy в руки и не парься
[19:38:27] slav0nic: да
[19:38:37] slav0nic: scapy ацкая вещь
[19:39:10] Александp: круче wireshark?
[19:39:38] slav0nic: да
[19:39:49] slav0nic: тк это мультитулз так сказать + на питоне
[19:39:51] slav0nic: и либа
[19:39:55] slav0nic: а не тупо сниффер
[19:40:00] Лис: http://github.com/kron4eg/multidb-django/
[19:40:32] Александp: slav0nic, о спасибо, с такими возможностями и на питоне так вообще подарок!
[19:40:44] slav0nic: Лил, хех, надо будет заюзать
[19:41:01] slav0nic: на питон су подфорум создал для пиара проджектов В)
[19:41:05] Александp: целый день на гугл кодсёрчь интересное по этой теме искал
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[19:42:20] slav0nic: Александp, лучше врядли найдёшь, там есть ещё на pcap обёртки, от этого же автора
[19:42:50] slav0nic: я когда-то тоже искал прмиеры с RAW_SOCKET - ниуя вменяемого не нашёл
[19:43:11] Александp: вот, аналогично
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[19:43:18] Александp: а она вообще шуевая?
[19:43:23] Александp: $ scapy
/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/scapy.py:3118: Warning: 'with' will become a reserved keyword in Python 2.6
/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/scapy.py:3120: Warning: 'with' will become a reserved keyword in Python 2.6
INFO: did not find python gnuplot wrapper . Won't be able to plot
INFO: Can't import PyX. Won't be able to use psdump() or pdfdump()
INFO: Can't find Crypto python lib. Won't be able to decrypt WEP
Welcome to Scapy (v1.1.1 / -)
[19:43:31] Александp: гуевая*
[19:43:40] Александp: >>>
[19:43:41] slav0nic: нет
[19:43:45] slav0nic: читай доку
[19:44:01] slav0nic: считай это интерпретатор)
[19:44:04] slav0nic: и либа
[19:44:10] slav0nic: +может графы рисовать и тп херь
[19:44:14] slav0nic: для топологий сети и тп
[19:44:53] Александp: клёво
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[19:44:53] slav0nic: blackmagic читай
[19:44:54] slav0nic: тхт
[19:44:54] slav0nic: и офдоки
[19:45:17] slav0nic: http://hackaholic.org/papers/blackmagic.txt
[19:45:47] slav0nic: я тока снифер смотрел
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[19:48:14] Александp: а вот с проверкой socks4/5 прокси не сталкивался?
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[19:49:22] slav0nic: pucurl
[19:49:26] slav0nic: py*
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[19:53:04] Хрюндель (джангист): У кого видюха nvidia? никто с таким не сталкивался? http://dumpz.org/4340/
[19:53:19] Хрюндель (джангист): походу главная ошибка в этом /tmp/selfgz4170/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.07-pkg1/usr/src/nv/nv-linux.h:106:27:
error: asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory

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[19:53:47] Хрюндель (джангист): что делать и как быть дальше?
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[19:56:12] xa4a: Хрюндель (джангист): это при компилянии?
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[19:56:53] Хрюндель (джангист): xa4a, да
[19:57:18] xa4a: у меня последних несколько версий дров из портыджа компилируются но не втыкаются в ядро :\
[19:57:26] xa4a: нвидии
[19:57:29] slav0nic: ты лужара сорцы и хидеры ядра поставил хоть
[19:57:51] Хрюндель (джангист): slav0nic, вот умный а
[19:58:23] Хрюндель (джангист): slav0nic, вообще это не у меня, но у того чела они поставлены и компилятор и мэйк
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[19:58:24] xa4a: Kernel source path: '/lib/modules/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686/source'
[19:58:26] slav0nic: если б тя не знал, не спросил бы)
[19:58:33] xa4a: ы?
[19:59:33] Хрюндель (джангист): xa4a, у меня обычно тут /usr/src/kernels
[19:59:52] xa4a: Хрюндель (джангист): строка из последнего линка
[20:00:45] Хрюндель (джангист): xa4a, может в 10ой федоре и там ставится.. я хз
[20:00:57] Хрюндель (джангист): ща спрошу что у него в /usr/src/kernels
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[20:05:47] Хрюндель (джангист): xa4a, у меня тоже я вижу
-> Kernel source path: '/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686/source'
-> Kernel output path: '/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-53.fc9.i686/build'
но всё откомпиливается нормально
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[20:09:09] slav0nic: >>>Delphi куда удобнее, а если с дефли совместить и знание асм то думаю си нах ненужен...+)), меня просто бесит что в си нету определенности то с, то с++, то с bulder...
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[20:22:08] Лис: ну шо, кто чо скажет про multidb
[20:22:13] Лис: нужен фидбек какой нибудь
[20:22:38] Хрюндель (джангист): Лис, а это твой?
[20:22:58] Лис: ну да
[20:23:09] Хрюндель (джангист): Лис, значит дерьмо
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[21:07:35] montancheg is now Да, я здесь.
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[21:12:36] montancheg is now Да, я здесь.
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[21:19:24] slav0nic: django-webalizer смотрел кто?
[21:20:24] slav0nic: ерунда по ходу
[21:22:37] montancheg is now Да, я здесь.
[21:24:00] sintetico is now online
[21:24:17] slav0nic: http://warezdoc.nnm.ru/problema_s_dyrkami_17_foto
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[21:27:37] montancheg is now Да, я здесь.
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[21:41:04] xa4a: ыэ.. http://bizbooks.com.ua/catalog/cat.php3?c=142
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[21:45:40] xa4a: о
[21:45:48] xa4a: фридла перевели, оказывается
[21:45:53] xa4a: правда только 3-е издание
[21:46:04] xa4a: который Mastering Regular Expressions
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[21:57:47] Лис: кто знает, как fbreader заставить прокручивать текст самостоятельно?
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[22:05:58] montancheg is now Да, я здесь.
[22:08:43] xa4a: чего бі почитать интересного?
[22:09:53] xa4a: вот смотрел, нашёл одну книгу о Data Mining, одну "Компьютерное зрение. Современный подход", и "Фракталы и хаос в динамических системах."
[22:10:17] xa4a: или чего-то более приземлённого?
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[22:11:18] Лис: я 46 книг starwars надыбал
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[22:30:58] jedgar: xa4a: а где ты их нашел?
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[22:31:30] xa4a: jedgar: http://bizbooks.com.ua/catalog/det.php3?id=24992
[22:31:33] xa4a: вот там
[22:31:55] jedgar: пасиба
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[22:59:56] Александp: scapy классная штука, только зачем они столько классов и функции запихнули в 1 файл...
[23:00:22] Александp: Ещё такая непонятка, что возвращает эта функция?
>>> IP()
Out[3]: <IP |>

[23:02:31] Александp: Или вот что происходит здесь?
p = IP(dst=dest, ttl=ttl)/TCP(dport=int(port), flags="S")


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