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[01:03:19] Kolger: Приветствую :)
[01:03:33] Kolger: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3633 может кто нибудь подсказать по этой проблеме?)
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[01:06:11] tilarids: Kolger, на удаленной машине локаль как настроена?
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[01:09:44] Kolger: А как проверить? Покрайней мере я ее не настраивал - точно :) Linux-админ из меня тот еще.. )
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[01:11:38] tilarids: env | grep LANG попробуй
[01:12:21] Kolger: ничего не вернуло
$ locale
LANG=
остальные строчки равно = "POSIX"
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[01:16:38] Kolger: выполнил export LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8. Теперь все в ru_RU.UTF-8, но с ошибкой - не полегчало :(
[01:17:09] Kolger: $ env | grep LANG
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[01:46:34] tilarids: Kolger, хм... а откуда ты xmpp ставил на убунте?
[01:46:44] tilarids: версии различаются?
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[01:50:28] Kolger: Неа. Даже из одних и тех же сурсов)
[01:50:50] Kolger: Кста, если запускать на маке из эклипса(PyDev) - все окей
[01:51:06] Kolger: а вот если из командной строки(да уж, не удосужился) - тоже самое, что и на убунте все таки.
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[02:06:00] Typhon: себе на завтра посмотреть http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/7q2vl/post_your_python_tricks/
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[10:06:56] Лис: http://yahooeu.ru/2007/06/19/manifest_muzhchiny.html
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[10:10:22] MAVr: /me приветствует всех!
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[10:18:35] xa4a: так что, венда 7 обещает быть приличным изделием?
[10:18:41] xa4a: http://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/7ra4j/windows_7_tells_you_why_you_cant_touch_that_file/
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[10:21:37] Лис: ебанько, any way
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[10:30:00] Лис: http://www.securitylab.ru/news/366640.php
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[11:55:13] Никита Смирнов: День добрый :-) Может кто нибудь подсказать - есть ли возможность при создании демона на пайтоне переименовать процесс, т.е. чтобы при вызове коменды top процесс демона был видел как "daemon_name", а не как "python" ?
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[11:56:40] xa4a: да
[11:57:26] Лис:
-Вы будете водку, или пиво?
-Да
[11:57:40] slav0nic: через dl тока
[11:58:09] xa4a: dl?
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[11:59:09] Лис: xa4a, ну давай говори уже, не тяни резину
[11:59:17] xa4a: ну емерж как-то делает
[11:59:25] xa4a: #!/usr/bin/python, не?
[11:59:50] Лис: всёравно видно как python /path/to/script
[11:59:52] nmk: import ctypes
libc = ctypes.CDLL('libc.so.6')
libc.prctl(15, 'snake warrior', 0, 0, 0)
[12:00:06] nmk: а на фре
[12:00:23] slav0nic: import dl
[12:00:32] slav0nic: http://nkour.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/change-process-name-in-python-posix-only-using-dl-module/
[12:00:33] nmk: import dl

libc = dl.open('/lib/libc.so.6')
libc.call('setproctitle', 'hippy\0')
[12:00:40] nmk: slav0nic: dl он же уже вроде почти deprecated
[12:01:12] slav0nic: оу завтыкал) у меня ctypes с виндой ассоциировался
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[12:03:55] nmk: а никто не видел каких-нибудь юзерских комментов для джанги, что бы в разные таблицы комменты писались? ну. т.е. что бы я унаследовался от какой-нить абстрактной модели, указал бы в ней к чему эти комменты и получил бы все необходимые методы для работы с комментами.
[12:04:18] nmk: в разные таблицы имеется ввиду что для каждой сущности которую комментим своя таблица
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[12:05:40] Лис: Никита Смирнов, http://code.google.com/p/procname/
[12:05:47] nmk: видно никто. чтож. будем изобретать. ;)
[12:06:28] Никита Смирнов: Лис, спасибо. Всем остальным тоже спасибо :) Но метод с dl чтото не работает на макоси, а на удаленной убунте даже dl модуля не стоит, хм...Сейчас попробую procname
[12:07:05] nmk: procname тоже не будет работать на маке
[12:07:09] nmk: он linux-only
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[12:07:22] xa4a: nmk: может ты хочешь просто generic relation?
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[12:07:48] xa4a: для каждой сущности которую комментим своя таблица
[12:07:58] xa4a: учитывая, что структура коментов одинаковая - это не логично
[12:08:04] red-agent: Никита Смирнов, exec -a
[12:08:43] nmk: xa4a: просто я боюсь что комментов будет очень много, сущностей тоже многовато. а шардить на данном этапе мне пока не хочется совсем.
[12:09:02] nmk: так бы я взял из контриба комменты бы
[12:09:07] xa4a: nmk: т.о. какой профи от разніх таблиц?
[12:09:20] nmk: не очень понял вопроса
[12:09:25] xa4a: *профит
[12:09:34] xa4a: постгрес, вроде умеет партиционирование
[12:09:34] nmk: ну. меньше строк в каждой таблице
[12:09:57] xa4a: гм.. я бы сказал сомнительная выгода
[12:10:10] nmk: у меня мускль пока. я постгресс только ставил пару раз в жизни. но мускль вроде тоже умеет партиции.
[12:10:14] nmk: почему сомнительная?
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[12:10:25] xa4a: потому что сущности одинаковые-то
[12:11:08] xa4a: если ты всё-равно делаешь индекс по иду объекта, к которому комент, то сделай индекс на двух колонках - ид. объекта - ид контент-тайпа
[12:11:44] nmk: ээ. от большого кол-ва комментов эт все равно не спасет.
[12:11:53] xa4a: >1M?
[12:11:57] nmk: maybe :)
[12:12:20] xa4a: хршо..
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[12:12:27] xa4a: делай велосипед)
[12:12:37] xa4a: но я бы уже начал смотреть в сторону постгреса
[12:12:41] xa4a: если >1M
[12:12:53] xa4a: и не заморачивался лишними костылями
[12:12:54] nmk: эээ. он типа быстрее что-ли? для выборки по индексу?
[12:13:32] xa4a: хз быстрее ли
[12:13:39] nmk: когда я только начинал выбирать себе бд для работу мне надо было выбирать просто тупо по индексу. тогда было все не в сторону постгресса. по скорости
[12:13:45] xa4a: но считается, что на больших объёмах данных - лучше мускла)
[12:14:01] xa4a: если тупо по индексу - коучдб)
[12:14:25] xa4a: линк? где постгрес медленнее
[12:15:19] nmk: я попробую нагуглить. это было сколько-то лет назад. :)
[12:16:11] nmk: хотя конечно врядли найду. но если кто-то реально разбирается он поправит мои заблуждения
[12:17:15] xa4a: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL
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[12:27:14] lic: Привет Всем
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[12:38:39] slav0nic: бляяять опять icq рпотокол сменили
[12:39:26] bergamot: угу
[12:39:35] bergamot: давайте поматеримся по этому поводу
[12:39:56] bergamot: или будем восславлять аол?
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[12:42:52] slav0nic: жиды всему виной имхо
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[12:43:10] slav0nic: ну ладно, зато теперь есть отмазка почему я морожусь в асе от заказщика :P
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[12:44:59] bergamot: а у тебя кстати что? транспорт или клиент?
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[12:46:42] slav0nic: bergamot, клиент
[12:46:47] slav0nic: транспорты заипали
[12:47:02] slav0nic: после перехода на новый - всем приходит просьба авторизировать
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[12:47:11] slav0nic: после 4 перезда достало)
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[12:47:23] bergamot: я не переезжал еще, да и наверно не стану
[12:50:05] Лис: http://juick.com/118416
бгг
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[12:55:46] lic: вопросик по django, сделал в модели slug (для url-ов), он автоматом переводит из русского в транстит, и пробелы заменяет на "-", и потом когда к такому полю обращаещся, он не может его найти, если без минуса все нормально, скорее всего в urls не так прописал, подскажите как правильно
[12:55:58] lic: сейчас так :
(r'^(?P<cat_id>\d+)/(?P<slug>\w+)/$', 'plen.site_structure.views.get_1_page'),
[12:56:17] Муркт: (?P<slug>\w+)
[12:56:30] Муркт: минус не входит в множество \w
[12:56:48] Муркт: (?P<slug>[\w-]+)
[12:56:53] Муркт: так будет работать
[12:57:09] lic: Муркт: угу спасибо ))
[12:57:35] lic: гыы !! работает )
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[12:58:03] Муркт: ещё б не работало
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[12:58:21] Муркт: lic: почитай справку по регэкспам, это полезно
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[12:59:32] Муркт: я её читал неоднократно :)
[13:02:34] лорд Морфий: пипец, опять асько транспорт шлепнулся
[13:03:05] Лис: RIP
[13:03:16] Лис: но главное что бы не выкапывался
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[13:29:51] dares: подскажите с оффтоповым вопросом, есть у меня много файлов в APE хочу послушать на домашнем кинотеатре, погуглил понял что надо конвертнуть это дело в wav для сохранения качества, конвертнул забалванил, выдает что диск не совместим с этим плеером, в Nero Audio DVD нету, подскажите темноте как послушать и сохранить качество :)
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[13:30:44] Муркт: попробуй найти всё-таки более профильную конференцию
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[13:34:40] лорд Морфий: качество нельзя послушать, его можно ощутить
[13:35:01] bergamot: перегоняй в аудиосиди и всё
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[13:35:24] bergamot: про это я думаю написано в факе по монкею на торрентсру
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[13:51:51] bergamot: vcard
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[14:04:03] Лис: http://talk.mipt.ru/services/hangicq.png
[14:04:24] azzz: о
[14:04:28] azzz: :-)
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[14:05:55] tilarids: :)
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[14:08:21] sevenov: Ололо. Похоже, все лезут в эту конфу, надеясь, что тут помогут на любую тему %)
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[14:09:29] bergamot: у меня это единственная конфа в автозапуске
[14:09:32] bergamot: и это не спроста
[14:09:39] sevenov: да, так же
[14:09:49] sevenov: а, еще django@
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[14:14:18] Лис: а шо, уже есть django?
[14:14:31] Лис: /j django@conference.jabber.ru
[14:14:35] Лис: ой :)
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[14:14:40] bergamot: /j django@conference.jabber.ru
[14:14:44] bergamot: ай
[14:14:48] bergamot: и у меня не пашет
[14:14:55] tilarids: нет такой комнаты
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[14:15:13] tilarids: может, sevenov что другое имеет в виду
[14:15:31] bergamot: комната то естьэ
[14:15:36] Лис: tilarids, а ты зайди, посмотри ;)
[14:15:40] Лис: есть или нету
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[14:17:43] azzz: комната есть
[14:17:46] azzz: сам видел
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[14:18:05] tilarids: омг
[14:18:08] tilarids: нафиг-нафиг
[14:18:15] Лис: да точно
[14:18:20] azzz: чего?
[14:18:21] Лис: нашару плодят сущьности :)
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[14:19:55] bergamot: просто /join в гаджиме
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[14:25:10] Лис: http://www.securitylab.ru/news/366646.php
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[14:37:13] slav0nic: народ, подскажите пример регулярки, например искать все буквы "а", пропуская "а" между <code></code>
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[14:39:38] red-agent: по-моему re в этом случае глупый вариант. заюзай html парсер
[14:39:48] red-agent: вроде beautiful soup
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[14:44:10] slav0nic: можно и им, просто всё равн оприйдётся регулярки юзать
долбаные смайлы %)
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[14:47:31] nmk: а в джанге из модели можно как-то узнать какой аппликухе она принадлежит?
[14:47:53] nmk: а. все. нашел
[14:47:57] tilarids: ы. только что у начинающего пхписта код print (1 xor 2) выдавал сегфолт. На что другой пхпист ответил "кароч реализацийа XOR на венде хромаид". Офигительная хромота, сегфолт :)
[14:48:42] slav0nic: ))
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[14:55:51] Лис: так у вас лежит аська или нет!?
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[14:56:36] tilarids: саме так
[14:56:38] Typhon: пиджин не пагет
[14:56:46] tilarids: мій транспорт впав
[14:56:47] Typhon: в пиджине в смысле аська не пашет
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[14:57:17] Лис: очень странно
[14:57:26] Лис: потому что у меня в пиджине пашет
[14:57:36] Лис: чувак говорит, у него в центерИМ-е тоже пашет
[14:57:49] Typhon: а какой пиджин?
[14:58:11] Лис: 2.5.3-1
[14:58:19] Typhon: хм.
[14:58:32] Typhon: я его обновил на 2.5.4 но не работает все равно
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[15:08:36] mishok13: The version you are using is not supported by ICQ. Download a free authorized ICQ version from ICQ's official website.
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[15:08:45] mishok13: ну и отличненько
[15:09:07] Typhon: :)
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[15:09:36] Лис: весь день переконекчивасюь, надеюсь получить это сообщение, и нивкакую :(
[15:10:27] sevenov: Лис, =P у меня сразу получилось )
[15:10:28] Typhon: мне пришло тоже ) в джаббере всего два контакта, здорово )
[15:10:35] Typhon: тишина и никаких левых месаг
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[15:11:41] wiz: поздравляю всех с наступившим аськокапцом (8
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[15:12:11] pzskc383: like we care
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[15:12:24] Лис: wiz, у меня ещё не наступил
[15:12:26] Лис: :(
[15:12:50] pzskc383: Лис перелогиньс
[15:12:52] pzskc383: я
[15:13:12] Typhon: поставь login.icq.com в подключении, у пиджина по умолчанию вроде другой стоит, поможет может
[15:13:14] Лис: вот жеж невезуха, я как истый борец за свободу IM коммуникаций в молдове, должен был быть первым отключен от ICQ
[15:13:15] mishok13: я уже свою даму сердца перевел на жаббир и меня слабо волнуют остальные контакты
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[15:13:36] Лис: pzskc383, 20 раз уже
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[15:13:51] Typhon: mishok13: аналогично :)
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[15:14:05] Лис: Typhon, не кажется это несколько наглым? я ещё и менять чо то должен что бы меня забанили?!
может сразу прописать nahui.com? :D
[15:14:23] Typhon: :)
[15:14:31] pzskc383: Лис, мне вот помогло раза со второго
[15:14:41] Лис: login.messaging.aol.com
[15:15:10] Лис:
[kron@kron ~]$ host login.messaging.aol.com
login.messaging.aol.com has address 205.188.153.121
[kron@kron ~]$ host login.icq.com
login.icq.com is an alias for login.messaging.aol.com.
login.messaging.aol.com has address 205.188.153.121
[kron@kron ~]$
[15:15:19] Лис: адинхер, не поможет :(
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[16:09:41] sevenov: ппц http://reader-42.livejournal.com/34576.html
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[16:52:19] MerLex: Подскажите в тк есть возможность использовать темы или скины, а то очень убого все выглядит
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[16:52:36] Лис: было чото
[16:52:49] sevenov: MerLex, на то оно и tk
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[16:54:56] MerLex: читал где-то что в последние версии питона будем включен wxPython, правда это или нетю. Хотелось бы что то более менее красивое иметь по умолчанию.
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[16:55:57] MerLex: Кто чем пользуется для написания гуишных прог?
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[16:59:11] Лис: /me не пишет GUI-шных прог
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[17:05:12] xa4a: хм.. http://code.google.com/p/erlydtl/ и ни одного spawn(). кто же так пишет..
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[17:07:10] nmk: нах это надо, интересно
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[17:07:46] xa4a: ну эрланге есть веб-фреймворки
[17:08:11] nmk: а..
[17:08:22] xa4a: именно этот кусок используется в beepbeep
[17:09:35] tilarids: вот на С++ реализовать темплейты джанговские - это было бы интересно
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[17:11:06] Лис: нахер?!
[17:11:13] sevenov: tilarids, даааа...
[17:11:29] tilarids: Лис: спид импрувмент :
[17:11:31] tilarids: :)
[17:11:50] gigimon: переписать джангу на си %)
[17:11:52] tilarids: тру
[17:12:05] tilarids: нефиг юзать питон, он слишком медленный
[17:12:21] sevenov: tilarids, да, лучше руби 1.8 (или какой там)
[17:12:29] xa4a: питон не должен быть быстрым)
[17:12:33] tilarids: sevenov: руби - еще медленнее
[17:12:35] xa4a: есть ведь кеширующие прокси
[17:12:38] slav0nic: не на столько он медленный, у тебя долбше будет по сети передаваться чем генерится шаблон
[17:12:41] tilarids: xa4a: почему?
[17:12:58] Typhon: потому что это не молоток
[17:13:05] Typhon: чтобы гвозди забивать
[17:13:06] tilarids: slav0nic: а кто-нибудь замерял, сколько оно генерится?
[17:13:07] Typhon: а микроскоп
[17:13:18] slav0nic: tilarids, замерял
[17:13:21] sevenov: tilarids, знаю )
[17:13:22] tilarids: и?
[17:13:29] xa4a: есть ведь кеширующие прокси
[17:13:39] slav0nic: в мире всё относительно, если ты будешь 10к объектов выводить то медленно
[17:13:41] tilarids: кеширование - это отдельная тема
[17:14:04] Лис: кстате, 1.9 руби. сильно разогнали
[17:14:18] Лис: т.е. всевозможные оптимизации промутили
[17:14:18] sevenov: Лис, ага, за счет встроенного jid
[17:14:29] sevenov: *t
[17:14:55] Лис: и треды нормальные в нём
[17:15:07] Лис: а не "спонтомthreads"
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[17:15:32] tilarids: эй, вы чего? А ну отставить вражеские разговорчики! :)
[17:15:41] Лис: и рельсы на него уже портировали ;)
[17:15:49] Лис: :D
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[17:15:52] gigimon: Лис, переходишь на руби?
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[17:15:55] gigimon: )
[17:15:57] tilarids: вот портируют рельсы на питон, тогда посмотрим :)
[17:16:02] sevenov: :D
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[17:16:06] Лис: tilarids, :D
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[17:16:06] gigimon: tilarids, а кто-то делает?)
[17:16:14] tilarids: gigimon: :D
[17:16:18] gigimon: вово
[17:16:43] Лис: gigimon, я не ухожу, просто сажусь одной жопой на два стула :)
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[17:16:59] gigimon: )
[17:17:09] sevenov: Лис, вот засунут psyco в питон, тогда сравним в руби 1.9
[17:17:11] tilarids: ruby-стул не колется?
[17:17:23] Лис: нека
[17:17:31] sevenov: нека-ушко? :)
[17:17:36] tilarids: sevenov: так psyco ж вроде памяти жрёт
[17:17:52] Лис: и psyco 32-х битный
[17:17:53] tilarids: а по поводу jit - можно с jython или ironpython сравнивать
[17:17:54] sevenov: tilarids, а руби тоже, говорят, побольше памяти жрать
[17:18:01] sevenov: tilarids, ну да
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[17:18:05] Лис: на 64-bit проце нет с него понта
[17:18:07] sevenov: *жрать начал
[17:18:36] tilarids: sevenov: короче, /me требует джангу на чистом С :)
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[17:18:53] tilarids: чтобы быстро работало и памяти не ело
[17:18:54] sevenov: tilarids, от меня не требуй ;))
[17:18:55] Лис: tilarids, садись
[17:18:59] Лис: и пЯшы
[17:19:04] Лис: а мы поржём
[17:19:05] Лис: :D
[17:19:08] sevenov: Да ваще в питоне вечно все через жопу. Че мы все от него балдеем?
[17:19:09] tilarids: Лис: непременно :)
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[17:19:21] sevenov: диктуйте, а я покурить :)
[17:19:29] tilarids: ладно, пора прекращать троллить и валить домой
[17:19:49] sevenov: О! Пойду я на Git и Руби o_O"
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[17:20:22] Лис: главное найух не пойти :D
[17:20:43] mishok13: Лис, и какие же там треды, в руби-то 1.9?
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[17:22:16] mishok13: /me заинтригован
[17:23:12] Лис: обычные
[17:23:16] Лис: такие как в ОС
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[17:23:25] Лис: а в 1.8 были не треды
[17:23:27] Лис: а хуйня какая то
[17:23:28] slav0nic: та ладно?
[17:23:35] slav0nic: а ексепшн в треде к чему приводит?
[17:23:51] Лис: хз
[17:24:33] mishok13: Лис, нормальные?
[17:24:46] mishok13: посикс треды, али может что-то самостоятельно написанное?
[17:24:59] mishok13: или таки всё те же гринтреды, которые и в питоне
[17:25:09] Лис: в 1.8 гринтреды
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[17:26:16] mishok13: так я и представляю, как будут валиться текущие приложения на 1.9
[17:26:20] mishok13: причем, с сегфолтами
[17:26:22] mishok13: ВНЕЗАПНО
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[17:26:48] sevenov: О! Кошака от травы отпустило =)
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[17:27:19] slav0nic: /me получает море удовольствия от ruby-doc
[17:27:33] sevenov: slav0nic, ?
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[17:28:01] slav0nic: хер найдёшь что к чему
[17:28:24] mishok13: зато во фреймиках
[17:28:29] sevenov: а. Вот я и удивился. А это, оказывается, сарказм
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[17:29:21] slav0nic: я только вижу методы модуля тредс, а терпимого описания не наблюдаю
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[17:30:01] slav0nic: лан, фиг с ними) питон с тредами нативными тоже есть, правда глючный)
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[17:30:09] slav0nic: да и асинк рулит)
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[17:31:00] slav0nic: Лис, а через глобальные переменные можно общаться с тредами? или только IPC
[17:31:37] Лис: я хз :)
мельком поглядел что ожидается в 1.9 и всё
[17:31:41] Лис: не вдавался в подробности
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[17:32:25] mishok13: мельком прочитал маркетологический бред
[17:32:59] slav0nic: )
[17:33:00] mishok13: тем кто попытается встроить руби в свой сишный код, прийдет понимание всей безперспективности этой затеи
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[17:33:52] slav0nic: http://code.google.com/p/python-safethread/
там где-то было по поводу того что будет после удаления GIL
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[17:50:39] gigimon: народ, кто как думает, а если капчу реализовать с прозрачностью? т.е. на любом фоне,просто прозрачными буквами писать, а под капчей контрастный фон
[17:50:44] gigimon: боты будут распознавать?
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[17:51:00] wiz: они тебе спасибо скажут
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[17:53:12] gigimon: wiz, думаешь они с прозрачностью работабт?
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[17:53:18] gigimon: где б проверить...
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[17:56:04] wiz: gigimon, прозрачность есть тот же альфа-канал
[17:56:21] gigimon: ну да
[17:56:29] gigimon: боты юзают альфа канал?
[17:56:34] wiz: боты всё юзают
[17:56:41] gigimon: вот жеж
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[18:01:16] sevenov: gigimon, хех. А чего бы не знать про альфа-канал?
[18:01:16] pzskc383: gigimon, потрясающе больная мысль
[18:01:50] sevenov: gigimon, тем более, боты же не саморазвивающиеся, их пишут люди. Причем люди достаточно умные
[18:01:51] pzskc383: т.е. ты хочешь полупрозрачный png класть на контрастный html фон и тем самым ботам затруднить чтение капчи, я правильно понял?
[18:02:10] gigimon: pzskc383, тип того,сегодян шел,чет поудмалось
[18:02:29] gigimon: sevenov, ну это я понимаю) ну малоли
[18:02:41] pzskc383: gigimon, бот увидит просто картинку. с буквами. а человек увидит буквы на фоне каши.
[18:02:44] sevenov: gigimon, в общем, с прозрачностью ты упросишь
[18:02:55] pzskc383: и усложнишь людям
[18:03:00] sevenov: точно
[18:03:12] gigimon: почему челвоек увидит кашу?
[18:03:15] pzskc383: анти-тьюринг тест
[18:03:29] gigimon: черная капча,на ней буквы прозрачные,под капчей белый фон
[18:03:40] pzskc383: а.
[18:03:42] gigimon: sevenov, понятно,ну ладно)
[18:03:46] pzskc383: ну ботам пофиг тогда
[18:04:02] gigimon: эаль (:
[18:04:08] pzskc383: если хочешь что-то оригинальное - капча на флеше
[18:04:20] gigimon: не кроссплатформена ваще)
[18:04:28] pzskc383: с дрожащими буквами. останавливающимися при наведении
[18:04:33] gigimon: pzskc383, тогда уж и на js потянет
[18:04:41] pzskc383: gigimon, да, за такую капчу я сам бы прибил
[18:04:54] gigimon: вово)
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[18:05:34] sevenov: http://tema.livejournal.com/256755.html
все... тема затухает. Вместо 500 комментов всего 206 ^___^
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[18:06:48] sevenov: ладно, парни. Я уехал. Всем удачи
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[18:19:30] lic: Люди.. помогите с регулярными выражениями... какое составить чтобы из текста можно было убрать все html теги
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[18:21:48] lic: делаю так
re.sub(r"<[a-z\w/]+>" ,'', str)
он убирает типа </a> <span> а где ковычки и пробел не может...
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[18:30:51] mishok13: lic, как насчет использования HTML парсера
[18:30:52] mishok13: ?
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[18:31:34] lic: щас почитаю, мож и правда легче )
[18:32:16] wiz: lic, а что мешает добавить кавычки и = внутрь регэкспа?
[18:32:33] lic: дык пробовал что то не выхожит
[18:32:40] lic: может из за пробела
[18:32:44] wiz: что именно не выходит?
[18:32:58] lic: он ведь вроде как \s должен быть ?
[18:33:39] wiz: </?[\w\s=\"\'%]+>
[18:33:56] nmk: в джанге делают так: re.sub(r'<[^>]*?>', '', force_unicode(value))
[18:34:03] wiz: и правильно делают
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[18:35:54] lic: nmk: пасиба !!!
[18:35:57] lic: wiz: пасиба !!!
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[19:26:37] slav0nic: готовой реализации для определния числа юзеров онлайн никто не видел?
[19:26:38] slav0nic: в джанге
[19:27:07] nmk: видел. не помню где.
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[19:31:30] nmk: slav0nic: http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/msg/958c6e7733a26a9c
[19:31:33] nmk: но как-то совсем не инетерсно
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[19:34:53] xa4a: так..
[19:35:00] xa4a: аськокапец уже обсуждали?
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[19:36:04] xa4a: http://bugs.kde.org/ uh-oh
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[19:40:24] mishok13: http://community.livejournal.com/ru_mirandaim/700559.html?thread=7666063#t7666063
[19:40:28] mishok13: ыыаыаыаыаыаыа
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[19:44:05] xa4a: кждаую неделю меня заипутся
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[19:44:18] mishok13: ы
[19:44:41] xa4a: а если и сделают, то через пару недель напишут клиент адаптирующийся %)
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[19:45:24] mishok13: #define VERSION 0x016 магически превращается в const long VERSION = random();
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[19:45:54] mishok13: представляю себе адаптирующийся клиент, ы
[19:46:09] xa4a: автоматически скачивается оф. клиент, запускается, снифается трафик и исправляется версия %)
[19:46:46] xa4a: чё-то не могу вспомнить в каком конфиге копыта версия вписывается..
[19:47:06] Муркт: фпечь icq
[19:47:19] Муркт: перетягивать всех на джаббер
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[19:48:55] xa4a: нашёл..
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[19:51:34] xa4a: не помогло :\
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[19:58:44] mishok13: <nosklo> Yeah, if input is base 10, and output is base 10, I don't care what is internally represented. If not the exact same value comes out, this is called *error*
[19:59:20] mishok13: ДВОИЧНАЯ СИСТЕМА СЧИСЛЕНИЯ -- ЭТО ОШИБКА БЛДЖАД
[20:00:01] mishok13: /me получает массу удовольствия от новичков и троллей
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[20:28:04] xa4a: где бы найти вербовальные листовки про жабер?
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[20:29:37] Муркт: можно самим попробовать посочинять
[20:29:56] xa4a: хехе http://www.jabber.ru/
[20:30:44] Муркт: "Не используй ICQ, а то упадёшь в реку" (ударение на последней букве)
[20:31:42] xa4a: ý
[20:32:14] slav0nic: угу если у джаббер ру даже сайт не тянет....
[20:32:29] Муркт: slav0nic: есть много разных джаббер-серверов.
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[20:32:39] xa4a: jabber.ru не тянет только сайт
[20:32:42] slav0nic: ну они больше всех кричат)
[20:32:49] slav0nic: да я вижу)
[20:32:53] xa4a: о!
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[20:33:04] xa4a: нашёл, что знакомый один писал ещё http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/im/18690/
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[20:33:08] xa4a: можно засылать :)
[20:33:16] slav0nic: сука а контакты то в асе
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[20:33:29] pzskc383: господи.
[20:33:41] xa4a: slav0nic: контакт-лист отдаёт ведь
[20:33:47] pzskc383: поднимите прокси на своем тазике в штатах и пользуйтесь аськой на здоровье
[20:34:04] xa4a: pzskc383: асику в штатах != асику тут?
[20:34:08] slav0nic: xa4a, ну все в офлайн)
[20:34:10] pzskc383: да
[20:34:28] xa4a: /me пошёл искать тазик..
[20:34:34] pzskc383: http://alexclear.livejournal.com/452266.html
[20:34:36] slav0nic: млять а мне бабло должны были скинуть
[20:34:38] slav0nic: :|
[20:34:56] pzskc383: амстердам тоже вроде катит
[20:35:07] xa4a: slav0nic: хитрый план окзазывается :)
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[20:35:29] pzskc383: slav0nic, ради получить денег можно и официальный клиент поставить
[20:35:36] pzskc383: если линукс, то icq2go
[20:35:47] slav0nic: обожду)
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[20:39:05] slav0nic: ебать реально с юса грузится
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[21:07:14] xa4a: о, гм.. ещё пишут через тор работает
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[21:10:40] pzskc383: xa4a, потому что русским влом держать эксит-ноду
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[21:18:16] Хрюндель (джангист): Лис, видал, pip научился инсталировать с git и mercurial
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[21:19:19] xa4a: pip - это такой easy_install?
[21:19:30] Хрюндель (джангист): xa4a, ога
[21:19:47] Хрюндель (джангист): http://pip.openplans.org/
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[21:45:11] pzskc383: нашел клевую штуку, делает из pip пакетов ебилды
забыл как зовут только
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[21:50:38] Александp: import os, sys
sys.path.append(os.path.abspath(os.path.pardir))
import parmodule
добавляю родительскую директорию в path, но при импорте возникает ошибка
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[21:50:57] Александp: __init__ есть
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[21:51:17] Александp: в чём может быть проблема?
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[21:52:40] xa4a: какая ошибка
[21:53:01] Александp: ImportError:
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[21:53:15] Александp: No module named
[21:53:19] xa4a: проверь os.path
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[21:55:17] Александp: xa4a, хм, может sys.path?
[21:55:22] xa4a: да..
[21:55:31] Александp: там есть родительская директория
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[21:59:47] Александp: ну может тогда что другое подскажите,
нужно в скрипте, который будет запускаться по крону использовать джанговскую орм для доступа к БД
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[22:00:58] xa4a: DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE
[22:01:06] xa4a: переменную окружения
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[22:02:29] Александp: с ней разобрался, потом опять же всё упирается в импорт моделей
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