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[00:03:57] xa4a: mhash is a thread-safe hash library, implemented in C
[00:04:01] xa4a: гугл?
[00:04:26] mazafakaorg: эт я знаю
[00:04:43] mazafakaorg: непойму как он с питоном связан
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[00:05:53] mazafakaorg: у меня изза него mod_python не работал
[00:07:17] xa4a: юзай вместо mod_python mod_wsgi
[00:08:22] mazafakaorg: да я уже mod_python запустил
[00:08:24] mazafakaorg: пака так
[00:10:22] mazafakaorg: nginx+fapws3+psyco самое то?
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[01:43:36] xa4a: хм. только у меня пол рунета лежит?
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[01:50:19] gigimon: нет
[01:50:29] gigimon: xa4a, у меня почти весь рунет лежит
[01:51:09] xa4a: кто-то словил нюк? ^_^
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[01:51:27] xa4a: а, хм.. вроде полезло
[01:51:41] gigimon: по слухам упала магистраль моксва-питер
[01:51:48] gigimon: и узел транстелекома упал
[01:51:52] gigimon: по слухам
[01:52:07] gigimon: прчием задев россия-украина :(
[01:52:17] gigimon: xa4a, у меня наоборот,еще глубже упало
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[02:18:11] Александp: есть какой-нибудь простой способ убрать из списка пустые элементы?
[02:20:23] xa4a: [x for x in lst if x]
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[02:22:13] Александp: xa4a, спасибо
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[02:56:02] azzz: Делаю я в джанге в forms свои собственные условия проверки. Кратко: регистрация юзера в системе. CharField password1 и password2. Они должны быть равны, иначе - собщение об ошибке. В классе формы создаю метод
def clean(self):
# если pwd1 не равен pwd2, то
raise forms.ValidationError(u'Пароли не совпадают')
return self.cleande_data
Формы в шаблоне я вывожу не целиком, а пофилдиево: {{ form.username }} {{form.password1}} {{form.password2}}. Каким образом мне отобразить сообщение об ошибке?
[02:56:29] azzz: Если {{forms.errors}}, то да, сообщение выводится, то еще с припиской __all__
[02:56:33] azzz: А это не красиво
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[07:17:02] xa4a: у нас, оказывается, на F# вакансии есть
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[10:01:03] xa4a: гыгм. http://chris.pirillo.com/whats-shaking-in-the-windows-7-beta-the-windows/
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[02:18:11] Александp: есть какой-нибудь простой способ убрать из списка пустые элементы?
[02:20:23] xa4a: [x for x in lst if x]
[10:58:20] red-agent: filter(None, lst)
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[11:01:47] xa4a: да, так лучше
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[11:47:35] a1fred: поцыки
[11:47:55] a1fred: Бридж для чего нужен и как работает=\
[11:48:01] Муркт: какой бридж?
[11:48:19] Муркт: по бриджу можно через реку переправляться
[11:48:58] a1fred: ага
[11:49:00] a1fred: тот самый
[11:49:08] a1fred: тока между сетевухами
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[11:49:36] a1fred: в вики написано чето мутно совсем=\
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[11:56:14] red-agent: Причем тут сетевухи?
[11:56:28] red-agent: Сетевой бридж - это между сегментами, а не сетевухами.
[11:57:29] a1fred: ну это я так поминаю bridge utils из люнекс
[11:58:00] a1fred: так то вот в вики тоже написано
[11:58:15] red-agent: *facepalm*
[11:58:19] a1fred: тока как в известном афоризме получайтся
[11:58:35] a1fred: не понятно кто кого все таки побеждает
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[11:59:54] red-agent: вобщем, уточняй конкретно контекст.
[12:00:16] red-agent: свитч тоже считается бриджем. как и еще тонну софтварных и хардварных солюшенов.
[12:00:17] a1fred: мне как раз он не понятен
[12:00:32] a1fred: для каких задач используется такое чудо
[12:00:49] red-agent: какое?
[12:01:02] red-agent: софтварный межсегментный бридж или свитч или что?
[12:01:15] a1fred: софтварный межсегментный
[12:01:28] a1fred: бридж
[12:01:38] red-agent: ну используется на роутерах чтобы соеденить два разных сегмента сети.
[12:01:59] a1fred: разные сегменты они чем отличаются?
[12:02:02] a1fred: Подсетью?
[12:02:48] red-agent: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C_OSI
[12:02:53] red-agent: rtfm
[12:03:25] a1fred: читал
[12:03:33] a1fred: точнее проходили
[12:03:35] a1fred: уже очень давноэ
[12:03:39] red-agent: ну читай еще раз, если не понятно, читай eee* спеки.
[12:04:01] a1fred: сегменты сети это что?
[12:04:13] a1fred: там нет никаких сегментов описания
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[12:04:41] xa4a: NIC
[12:04:42] red-agent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_segment
[12:04:50] red-agent: *JFGI*
[12:05:32] a1fred: ну
[12:05:49] a1fred: а почему бы свитч туда не поставить или роутер?
[12:05:57] red-agent: куда?
[12:06:09] a1fred: вместо бриджа
[12:06:36] red-agent: *double facepalm*
[12:06:53] a1fred: охуеть
[12:07:25] xa4a: бридж - софтверная фича
[12:07:34] xa4a: ты роутеры видел когда-то вживую?
[12:08:51] a1fred: да
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[12:09:22] red-agent: видимо нет. если ты не понимаешь разницы между физическим сегментом и логическим.
[12:09:31] a1fred: в вики русской описан бридж как какая то фича железячная в том числе
[12:09:58] red-agent: бридж в контексте физического уровня - это свитч и подобные девайсы
[12:10:23] red-agent: бридж в контексте логического (софтового) уровня - софтверная фича
[12:10:50] a1fred: в вики написано
[12:10:58] a1fred: написанЫ
[12:11:05] a1fred: различия между свитчами
[12:11:07] a1fred: и мостами
[12:11:07] xa4a: железячная фича - это софтверная фича, реализованная в роутере
[12:11:11] a1fred: я спросил
[12:11:15] a1fred: ЗАЧЕМ ОН
[12:11:41] a1fred: Ты мне говоришь что свитч это бридж
[12:11:42] a1fred: =\
[12:11:43] a1fred: ?
[12:11:46] red-agent: чтобы соединять сегменты сети. логические или физические соответственно.
[12:12:42] a1fred: Ну дак а почему бы не соединять их комутаторами
[12:12:50] a1fred: =\\
[12:13:11] a1fred: Где мосты вот так прям незаменимы то что они нужны
[12:13:14] red-agent: ты идиот.
[12:13:27] red-agent: /me пошел кушать.
[12:13:27] a1fred: а ты еблан
[12:13:38] a1fred: но я ж тебе это не говорю)
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[12:18:43] xa4a: a1fred: две сетевухи в компе
[12:18:49] xa4a: (12:13:11) a1fred: Где мосты вот так прям незаменимы то что они нужны
[12:19:08] xa4a: сетевуха-виртбокс
[12:19:20] a1fred: и тоесть если забриждить то будет так
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[12:19:23] xa4a: любые 2 nic - физические, или виртуальные
[12:19:30] a1fred: пакет заходит в одну сетевуху
[12:19:34] a1fred: выодит из другой
[12:19:36] a1fred: и наоборот
[12:19:40] xa4a: можно и так
[12:19:54] a1fred: у пакета поля не меняются?
[12:20:01] a1fred: как в нате например там
[12:20:23] xa4a: должно быть нет
[12:20:35] xa4a: если это не натом называется
[12:21:08] a1fred: =\
[12:21:34] xa4a: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_bridge
[12:21:37] a1fred: стало быть уже с реальных сетях нигде не нужны такие железки
[12:21:41] xa4a: тут описаны варианты
[12:21:55] xa4a: какие железки? О.о
[12:22:29] a1fred: ну в вики написано что мосты это были такие железки
[12:22:34] xa4a: а, гм
[12:22:44] xa4a: In Ethernet networks, the term "bridge" formally means a device that behaves according to the IEEE 802.1D standard—this is most often referred to as a network switch in marketing literature.
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[12:23:19] a1fred: Ненене
[12:23:24] a1fred: Там даже отличия приведены
[12:23:37] a1fred: чем отличаются от свитчей и тд они
[12:24:18] a1fred: Ну короче понял
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[12:24:54] a1fred: А у моста может быть например не 2 сетевухи на концах а больше?
[12:24:59] xa4a: да
[12:25:14] a1fred: и как тогда пакеты ходить будут?
[12:25:28] Муркт: звёздочкой?
[12:25:52] xa4a: a1fred: очевидно так же, как и при двух, т.к., думаю, даже при двух они не тупо все подряд ретранслируются
[12:26:21] xa4a: в последней линке написано, что по макам
[12:26:37] xa4a: ну э
[12:26:44] xa4a: что значит как ходить
[12:26:50] xa4a: ходить как-будто в одной сети
[12:26:57] xa4a: по определению бриджа, не?
[12:27:16] a1fred: ну в смысле они как то маршрутизируются
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[12:27:23] a1fred: или тупо из одного всем
[12:27:50] a1fred: очевидно маршутузируются
[12:27:51] a1fred: =\
[12:28:01] xa4a: Bridges use two methods to resolve the network segment that a MAC address belongs to.
[12:28:07] xa4a: в последней линке
[12:29:07] a1fred: аха вижу
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[12:59:42] tilarids: в джанговской админке можно поставит пермишн только на просмотр?
[13:00:38] xa4a: да
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[13:00:42] xa4a: нет
[13:00:56] tilarids: :)
[13:00:57] red-agent: ну забери у пользователя\группы editing permission.
[13:01:05] tilarids: там add, change и delete
[13:01:13] azzz: я знаю в модели можно указать для филда editable = False
[13:01:23] azzz: это если выборочно
[13:01:29] azzz: ну или группами...
[13:01:38] xa4a: azzz: не то
[13:01:41] tilarids: если забрать add, change и delete - ничего не видно
[13:01:50] xa4a: я когда год назад нужно было - свой пермишн делал
[13:01:57] red-agent: что вобщем логично.
[13:02:02] tilarids: а мне так лениво делать собственный просмотрщик, мне админка более чем устраивает
[13:02:13] xa4a: только это была старая админка и надо было напильником вьюху допиливать админкину
[13:03:14] tilarids: напильником - плохо :(
[13:03:27] Муркт: Diamond: плюс при работе в команде, диффы питона выглядят бесполезными абсолютно
[13:03:32] Муркт: :DDD
[13:04:00] tilarids: тупо как-то
[13:04:05] piranha: шо?
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[13:04:39] tilarids: что нет view permission
[13:04:48] piranha: та не, я не тебе
[13:05:35] piranha: это тупо, само собой
[13:06:04] tilarids: хотя в джангобуке это пытались объяснить
[13:06:11] tilarids: но как-то неубедительно
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[13:11:51] tilarids: короче, забью. :)
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[13:30:10] piranha: на евроджангокон никто не хочет поехать? :)
[13:30:40] piranha: в прагу
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[13:32:39] tilarids: когда?
[13:32:49] Муркт: в мае
[13:32:51] tilarids: кто-нибудь юзал http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-ajax-validation/0.1.0 ?
[13:32:53] piranha: 4-6 мая
[13:32:57] tilarids: май далеко...
[13:33:04] piranha: регистрация - с 6 февраля
[13:33:13] tilarids: а до какого числа?
[13:33:22] tilarids: у меня просто защита диплома как бы :)
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[13:33:29] tilarids: как раз вот в это время
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[13:35:47] Лис: эх...я бы съездил ещё раз в Прагу
[13:36:20] piranha: диплом в мае?
[13:36:21] tilarids: я б тоже съездил бы. Можно и на еврокон попасть, и отдохнуть заодно
[13:36:22] piranha: Лис: вово, просто в прагу съездить - клёво, а тут ещё и повод такой :)
[13:36:30] tilarids: у всех мысли сходятся :)
[13:36:42] tilarids: piranha, диплом - после апреля
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[13:38:11] piranha: хм
[13:38:21] piranha: у нас в начале февраля и в конце июня
[13:38:21] xa4a: piranha: интересно
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[13:38:26] piranha: xa4a: yep :-)
[13:38:41] xa4a: хотя у мя тож какой-то диплом, вроде)
[13:38:43] piranha: ну в общем осталось загранпаспорт сделать
[13:38:56] xa4a: хотя поговаривают, что сейчас можно бакалавра и без диплома
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[14:17:36] dlx89: люди, а для чего в питоне оператор //
[14:18:44] piranha: делить так, чтоб аж разорвало :)
[14:19:35] dlx89: эээ, а серьезно. от / чем-то отличается?:-)
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[14:19:56] piranha: dlx89: 100% получается int, в любых версиях питона
[14:20:04] piranha: потому что в 3.0 / отдаёт флоат, емнип
[14:20:15] red-agent: // с округлением до integer
[14:20:50] piranha: гы

>>> 3.5 // 4.5
0.0

[14:20:56] red-agent: dlx89, читать доки нынче не модно?
[14:21:20] red-agent: piranha, угу, округление не математическое
[14:21:34] dlx89: где я возьму эти доки. в help() ниче нет понятного
[14:21:37] Муркт: математическое - round(), или как-то так
[14:21:42] red-agent: ага.
[14:22:09] piranha: я про математику не говорил
[14:22:17] piranha: я говорил про 0.0 ;)
[14:22:33] piranha: что флоат получился
[14:22:38] piranha: ну в общем неважно
[14:23:11] red-agent: непонятно только зачем
[14:23:14] red-agent: если фракция в любом случае будет равна 0
[14:23:27] red-agent: [14:19:52] dlx89: где я возьму эти доки. в help() ниче нет понятного
[14:23:32] red-agent: http://docs.python.org/
[14:23:53] piranha: red-agent: ну вот и я про то же. Зачем флоат?
[14:24:10] dlx89: а переводить хто будет эти доки
[14:24:28] piranha: dlx89: а шо, в хелп переведенные?
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[16:19:34] Лис: ура! наконец то сменил федору на офисном роутере на дебиан
[16:20:14] Лис: суппергут %)
[16:20:28] piranha: =)
[16:21:17] redbrick: Что дальше, ubunta?
[16:21:47] piranha: фэ
[16:21:50] Лис: теперь роутер (он же дев сервер) стал двуядерным
[16:22:06] Лис: redbrick, дальше дебиан и только
[16:22:20] Лис: есть на VPS-ах надо бы как нибудь организовать
[16:22:45] Лис: переезд с fc7 на deb5, и ваще шикаааарно будет
[16:23:40] redbrick: На Lenny-то :-) ?
[16:23:49] Лис: ога
[16:24:11] redbrick: Я бы предпочел под сервер фрюху, шестерку.
[16:24:13] manuscript is now online
[16:24:34] redbrick: Lenny, это жестокий эксперимент.
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[16:24:49] Лис: ахтунг! троль детектед
[16:24:50] tilarids is now online
[16:24:50] manuscript: Привет! форматирую float
[16:24:51] tilarids is now online
[16:24:53] redbrick: Официальным он еще года 2-3 не станет. Я так думаю
[16:24:54] manuscript: s = '%.2f' % v
[16:25:14] Лис: redbrick, хоть раз в глаза дебиан видел?
[16:25:18] manuscript: как сделать чтобы между тридами был пробел?
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[16:25:44] Лис: хотя можешь не отвечать и так понятно
[16:26:15] piranha: redbrick: хватит троллить :)
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[16:40:17] Лис: manuscript, между чем?
[16:40:39] manuscript: выводит 12345,67
[16:40:40] manuscript: а надо
[16:40:54] manuscript: 12 345,67
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[16:41:11] Муркт: триадами, а не тридами
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[17:19:51] gigimon: ух
[17:19:58] gigimon: а я думал гаджим тупит
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[17:21:38] gigimon: народ, кто юзает оперу10 и у кого монитор большой?
[17:21:47] gigimon: не тормозит между табами?
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[17:26:06] manuscript: с триадами никак?
[17:26:44] piranha: напиши функцию
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[17:28:46] manuscript: я float вывожу в gtk.Treeview думаю если будет самописная функция, то вывод будет тормозить.
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[17:31:47] Муркт: с чего б это он тормозить начал?
[17:31:56] Муркт: неужели настолько сложный вывод?
[17:33:46] manuscript: это предположение, т.к. функция будет интертпритируемой, велаю делаю тест
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[18:22:57] manuscript: вот наваял
[18:22:59] manuscript: def formatFloat(self, v):
s = '%.2f' % v
ss = ['', s[-6:]]
s = s[:-6]
while s:
ss.insert(0, s[-3:])
s = s[:-3]
return string.join(ss, ' ')

[18:23:21] manuscript: есть предложения по оптимизации
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[20:00:33] bergamot: недавно поднимал вопрос триггеров
[20:00:43] bergamot: в sqlite они тоже походу есть
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[23:38:00] Хрюндель (джангист): Лис, чо сидишь.. помогай давай..
есть input, скажем называется relation, так вот надо разрешить таких relation'ов отправалять неограниченое количество. Если я скажем ставлю <input name='relation' value='a' /> <input name='relation' value='b' /> и отправляю форму то в cleaned_data есть только 'b'
[23:38:33] Лис: оно и понятно
[23:38:41] Лис: так работает http
[23:38:48] Хрюндель (джангист): Лис, мне тоже понятно.. а как реализовать?
[23:39:01] Хрюндель (джангист): разными названиями называть?
[23:39:16] Хрюндель (джангист): есть что то в джанге встроенное для этого?
[23:39:17] Лис: либо
<input name='relation_1' value='a' />
<input name='relation_2' value='a' />
[23:39:33] Лис: либо просто
<input name='relation[]' value='a' />
<input name='relation[]' value='b' />
<input name='relation[]' value='c' />
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[23:39:50] Хрюндель (джангист): хмм.. а что за relation[] откуда ты это взял?
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[23:40:19] Лис: а я спать
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