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[11:15:27] Лис: уж не помню, тут статью скидывали или нет, anyway, рекомендую к прочтению
http://offer.com.ua/articles/view.phtml?a_id=3158
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[11:40:06] Муркт: Лис: эт ваще что такое длинное-длинное? О чём?
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[11:42:43] Лис: глобальный заговор, по размаху достойный дарт сидиуса :)
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[11:44:08] Муркт: уж слишком длинно
[11:44:09] Муркт: лень
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[12:10:31] Effgen: как в скрипте узнать откуда он был запущен?
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[12:11:34] renyare: __file__
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[12:11:43] renyare: или sys.argv[0]
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[12:14:12] Effgen: хм… sys.argv[0] насколько я понимаю возвращает имя скрипта(грубо говоря)
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[12:14:43] renyare: ну да
[12:14:46] renyare: полное
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[12:16:14] Effgen: я хочу определить запускается скрипт из консоли(эмулятора терминала) или путем нажатия на нем в файловом менеджере(меню)
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[12:17:49] renyare: можно по переменным окружения попробовать
[12:18:08] renyare: но детект неточный будет, если вообще будет
[12:18:36] Лис: Effgen, а какая разница откуда он запускается?
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[12:20:32] Effgen: Лис, ну это вообще гуевая штука, хочу что б при запуске из консоли гуй не запускался :), можно опцией отделаться но мы ведь легких путей не ищем ;)
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[12:21:10] Лис: тупость какая то
[12:21:11] renyare: а если я хочу из консоли с гуем запустить?
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[12:22:09] piranha: pydb никто не юзал?
[12:22:39] Effgen: renyare, ну этот вариант я не расматриваю :)
[12:23:13] renyare: Effgen, а зря ) иногда это единственный способ понять, что не так и с какой ошибкой вылетает
[12:24:01] renyare: если тебе так не хочется делать опцию, сделай 2 запускающих скрипта yourprog и yourprog-gui
[12:24:33] Effgen: renyare, гениально! :)
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[12:43:03] AlexKiriukha: all:
[12:43:19] Муркт: AlexKiriukha: ?
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[12:44:11] AlexKiriukha: Возник вопрос и вроде его задавали много раз, но даже не могу сформулировать чтобы нагуглить
[12:44:20] Муркт: ну задавай
[12:44:26] Муркт: раз не можешь сформулировать :D
[12:44:29] Typhon: юникод, наверно
[12:44:36] Муркт: правда, не знаю, как ты его задавать собрался
[12:44:51] AlexKiriukha: Вобщем есть последовательность, нужно узнать сумму первого и второго элемента, потом второго и третьего, третьего и четвёртого etc
[12:45:02] Муркт: а.
[12:45:16] AlexKiriukha: Точно что-то было, но не могу даже сформулировать гуглу :-)
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[12:47:01] Муркт: a = iter(sequence)
map(sum, zip(a, a))
[12:47:20] Муркт: >>> sequence = [1,2,3,4,5,6]
>>> a = iter(sequence)
>>> map(sum, zip(a,a))
[3, 7, 11]

[12:47:33] mishok13: Муркт, это не совсем то
[12:47:34] AlexKiriukha: Не, это немного не то :-)
[12:47:41] Муркт: а
[12:47:44] Муркт: неправильно прочёл.
[12:47:46] AlexKiriukha: Т.е. комбинации элемента n и n+1
[12:47:47] mishok13: но направление правильное :)
[12:47:59] AlexKiriukha: Вроде же была стандартная штука, но не могу найти
[12:48:05] Муркт: не думаю, что была
[12:48:08] Муркт: сейчас придумаю 6
[12:48:10] Муркт: :)
[12:48:14] Typhon: ты с reduce путаешь, наверное
[12:49:06] AlexKiriukha: Путал, но reduce явно не то :-)
[12:49:50] Муркт: >>> a, b = sequence[:-1], sequence[1:]
>>> map(sum, zip(a, b))
[3, 5, 7, 9, 11]

[12:50:22] AlexKiriukha: o_O
[12:50:36] Муркт: AlexKiriukha: всё равно не нравится?
[12:50:45] Муркт: или тебе слайсы мешать будут?
[12:50:52] AlexKiriukha: Спасибо большое. Нужно было не искать функцию, а сразу делать так
[12:50:55] AlexKiriukha: Думаю не будут
[12:51:11] AlexKiriukha: Просто это очевидно, но я как-то не туда шёл :-)
[12:51:12] Муркт: можно и без слайсов, но длиннее будет.
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[12:52:35] Муркт: >>> a = iter(sequence)
>>> i = a.next()
>>> result = []
>>> for j in a:
... result.append(i+j)
... i = j

[12:52:51] AlexKiriukha: Так тоже отлично. Почему-то показалось, что есть ф-ция, что-то типа make_as_if_want(callable, sequence) :-)
[12:53:07] AlexKiriukha: Спасибо большое!
[12:53:31] Муркт: нет, чтоб брать n, n+1, то такого нет в стандартных
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[12:55:53] Муркт: AlexKiriukha: а для чего может быть полезно такое штуко?
[12:56:05] Муркт: А то я не могу придумать ничего, кроме обычной разминки для мозга :)
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[12:59:13] mishok13: я помню недавно писал такое
[12:59:25] mishok13: что-то для преобразований координат в svg
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[13:04:09] AlexKiriukha: Там типа состояние счётчиков за каждый день (модели джанги вида date, value). Нужно как-то выбрать потребляемое за каждый день
[13:04:23] AlexKiriukha: Подозреваю что это вообще как-то неправильно, но других идей нету
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[13:05:22] Муркт: угу
[13:05:38] Муркт: А ты будешь использовать вариант со слайсами, или с итератором и циклом?
[13:05:56] AlexKiriukha: Думаю со слайсом
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[14:07:36] renyare: в python есть reduce
[14:08:27] AlexKiriukha: есть
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[14:11:04] renyare: ещё я так и не понял, какие у тебя есть счётчики и как ты хочешь их суммировать
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[14:15:24] AlexKiriukha: Просто к модели Place привязаный состояния счётчиков света за каждый день. Нужно было повыбирать потребляемую мощность за каждый день, т.е. разницу между моделью и предыдущей моделью. Через django ORM как это сделать - неясно, вот и пришлось перебором.
[14:17:05] renyare: это запросом точнло никак нельзя сделать?
[14:17:33] renyare: типа sum(value) where date='дата'
[14:17:38] renyare: или group by date
[14:18:00] Муркт: renyare: я так понимаю, что только джойнами или подзапросами
[14:18:35] Муркт: так как я не слышал такого понятия в SQL, как "предыдущая строка" или "следующая строка"
[14:18:51] renyare: там и не надо этого
[14:19:01] renyare: этим функции аггрегации занимаются
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[14:19:12] renyare: те же sum и group by
[14:19:13] Муркт: ты точно прочёл то, что ему нужно?
[14:20:03] Муркт: у тебя в одной строке написано 280, во второй 310, а в третьей 330. Поэтому тебе надо получить в ответе 280, 30 и 20
[14:20:13] AlexKiriukha: Муркт, слышал, что такое есть в оракле в аналит. функций, но это слухи
[14:20:30] Муркт: renyare: я как-то слабо себе представляю на этом месте SUM и GROUP BY
[14:20:45] AlexKiriukha: Чорд, мне нужно учиться выражать мысли :-)
[14:21:06] renyare: AlexKiriukha, просто напиши пример. Муркт правильно тебя понял?
[14:21:24] Муркт: AlexKiriukha: возможно, я вообще не спец в sql, но в пределах моих знаний - только подзапросы или джойны, или во внешнем коде.
[14:21:28] AlexKiriukha: Правильно :-)
[14:22:18] AlexKiriukha: Т.е. ты снимаешь показания со счётчика дома, каждый месяц. А потом нужно выбрать разницу между значений месяцев (чтобы узнать за каждый месяц)
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[14:23:01] Муркт: Мне кажется, что это действительно проще сделать во внешнем коде (и работать будет быстрее), чем мастерить там джойны или подзапросы. Хотя утверждать с уверенностью не буду
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[14:23:18] renyare: ну тогда через reduce
[14:23:20] Муркт: возможно имеет смысл просто-напросто денормализовать.
[14:23:38] Муркт: renyare: reduce на выходе выдаёт одно значение, при чём тут редьюс?
[14:23:44] AlexKiriukha: Просто во внешнем коде выходит без зависимости от ДМ
[14:23:56] AlexKiriukha: *БД
[14:24:24] renyare: Муркт, блин, точно (
[14:24:25] Муркт: по-моему, мой код с итератором вполне себе отлично работать будет. Поменять плюс на минус - невелик труд :)
[14:24:43] AlexKiriukha: Забабахал с итератором, спасибо. Работает :-)
[14:25:05] Муркт: AlexKiriukha: ты ж говоришь, что это через джанго-орм?
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[14:25:37] Муркт: renyare: то есть, я конечно могу и через редьюс сделать, но что-то мне подсказывает, что это просто костыль будет именно ради редьюса и смысла в том нет :) И работать медленнее будет, и читаться хуже
[14:25:47] AlexKiriukha: Ну да, я же могу получить итератор от query set
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[14:25:57] renyare: Муркт, я согласен, неправ был
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[14:26:52] renyare: тут однозначно проще просто последовательность обходить любым способом - через итератор, for или map
[14:27:26] Муркт: AlexKiriukha: если тебе не в одном месте нужны эти числа, возможно имеет смысл
сделать функцию, которая тебе будет йилдить готовые объекты с проставленными дополнительными числами
[14:28:31] Муркт: засунуть её в менеджер и радоваться жизни :D
[14:28:34] AlexKiriukha: Муркт: пока в одном, но если будет другое - то нужно будет сделать универсальную штуковину. Вообще было предложение вносить разницу, но что-то не хотят
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[14:29:40] renyare: я тоже о разнице подумал, но это плохо. Тебе надо каждый раз все данные извлекать с самого начала
[14:29:52] renyare: или контрольные точки проставлять, например в начале месяца
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[14:30:24] Муркт: renyare: зачем с самого начала? Просто на единицу времени раньше
[14:30:38] Муркт: т.е. если помесячно - на месяц раньше, если ежедневно - на день раньше, и всё.
[14:31:21] Муркт: расширить там менеджер, или кверисет, и будет красиво
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[14:31:57] renyare: можно разве что в 3-е поле писать разницу
[14:32:25] renyare: т.е. date, value, diff
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[14:52:58] Муркт: На пересечении киевских улиц Золотоворотской, Рейтарской и Георгиевского переулка на высоком пеньке с конца января восседает кумир многих поколений - главный герой анимационной картины "Ежик в тумане", признанной в 2003 году голосами 140 кинокритиков и мультипликаторов разных стран лучшим мультфильмом всех времен и народов.
[14:53:17] azzz: Библиотекой reportlab генерирую PDF-файл. Блок текста вывожу через drawText:
tx=canv.beginText(x,y)
tx.textLine(text)
canv.drawText(tx)
Где canv - экземпляр обьекта canvas. Таким образом текст "рисуется", но не переносится на другую строку. Есть какой простой способ этой лтболй вывести большой кусок текста с автопереносом?
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[15:01:18] mishok13: у нас xa4a специалист по reportlab
[15:01:59] azzz: Тады подожду покуда появится он :-)
[15:02:07] azzz: Если сам не нагуглю чего-то
[15:02:39] azzz: Есть, конечно, способ. Но он мне не нравится. Отсчитывать по N символов в строке...
[15:03:10] azzz: Всё-таки это должно генерровать тыщами и быстро, а не то веб-сервер загнется и умрёт :-)
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[15:54:43] red-agent: /me уже с макоси
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[15:54:59] nmk: хвастаешься или плачишься? :)
[15:55:38] red-agent: Хуле мне плакатся-то? Сейчас закончу игратся и пойду обратно в Gentoo =)
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[16:02:40] Лис: red-agent, а нафига ты её вообще ставил?
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[16:03:45] mishok13: небось, мак купил
[16:04:06] Лис: и генту поставил?
[16:04:08] mishok13: пора, блять, космоса банить
[16:04:18] mishok13: Лис, ну как Линус, хуле
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[16:04:33] red-agent: lol. если б я купил мак - я б не ебался сутки с установкой сутки
[16:04:34] Лис: mishok13, да ты чо, саша белый придёт, люлей нвешает :)
[16:04:54] red-agent: это OSX86
[16:05:05] mishok13: ну так надо просить у славоника уравнять нас в правах с Сашей Белым
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[16:07:16] AlexKiriukha: Тупой вопрос номер два
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[16:07:54] AlexKiriukha: operator.sub делает a - b, а если хочу b - a? Ну как бы если функциональщина
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[16:08:49] red-agent: поменяй аргументы местами...
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[16:09:14] red-agent: бля, нормальный sleep работает весьма весело с макоси.
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[16:09:34] AlexKiriukha: Это понятно, но если нет возможности? Т.е. мне туда callback, а оно там что-то делает :-)
[16:09:48] AlexKiriukha: Чисто теоретический вопрос
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[16:10:38] red-agent: я бы лямбду заюзал вообще
[16:11:19] AlexKiriukha: Я бы тоже, просто любопытно тогда зачем нужен operator.sub :-)
[16:11:29] AlexKiriukha: Что-то меня на теорию попёрло :-)
[16:11:55] Муркт: negate
[16:12:48] renyare: sub(0, sub(a,b)) (говнокод, ага)
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[16:13:26] Муркт: sub(*map(negate, (a,b)))
[16:13:59] red-agent: "Я бы тоже, просто любопытно тогда зачем нужен operator.sub :-)"
[16:14:05] red-agent: тупой вопрос.
[16:14:08] mishok13: -sub(a, b)
[16:14:18] mishok13: /me считает себя гением, как бы
[16:14:25] AlexKiriukha: Ого, на машине два ядра по 2000 богомипсов, зато в виртуалбоксе одно, но 4000 :-)
[16:14:45] AlexKiriukha: red-agent: лимит по тупым вопросам не перебрал, так что всё нормально :-)
[16:15:35] red-agent: http://piranha.org.ua/blog/
[16:15:41] red-agent: в маке выглядит нормально
[16:15:50] red-agent: в отличии от всего остального :D
[16:15:52] mishok13: Муркт, ты исполнил что-то нереальное
[16:16:07] Муркт: mishok13: а чо, норм :D
[16:16:10] Лис: red-agent, покеж скриншот
[16:16:12] mishok13: бгыгы
[16:16:26] Муркт: работать будет, однозначно
[16:17:49] mishok13: так я и не отрицаю
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[16:23:13] red-agent: http://funkyimg.com/u2/886/717/BF.png
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[16:23:44] mishok13: обожаю, когда в письмо, отправленое на публичный мейл-сервер отправляют такое в подписи:

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[16:23:54] mishok13: confidential, блять
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[17:22:05] nmk: Черновецкий решил повысить для киевлян тарифы на комуслуги в пять раз
[17:22:10] nmk: он там ебнулся у вас?
[17:22:38] red-agent: Ну, в этом вопрос он наверное единственно вменяем человек (?).
[17:23:00] red-agent: Потому, что все эти ебучие популисты не могут понять, что все эти системы давно работают себе в убыток.
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[17:23:07] red-agent: и рушатся каждый день.
[17:23:18] red-agent: в германии вон подымают эту плату по несколько раз в год.
[17:23:20] nmk: но в 5 раз за раз это ж пиздец, простите за тафтологию
[17:24:07] Лис: nmk, ты не шаришь, ченровецкий нормальный пацыг
[17:24:11] Муркт: редагент просто не в киеве живёт
[17:24:34] nmk: Лис: ну да -- ну да.
[17:24:46] red-agent: Ну я говорю про конкретно это нововведение.
[17:24:48] nmk: только он мне че-т таким не представляется. за последнюю неделю
[17:24:50] Муркт: он не знает, что тарифы на комуслуги уже повышались в несколько раз
[17:24:52] Лис: я просто тоже не в киеве живу :))
[17:24:53] red-agent: Оно имхо вполне понятно.
[17:25:19] jedgar: а сколько там щас комуслуги в киеве? (в баксах)
[17:25:35] red-agent: знает, только тот факт, что они повышались на какие-то 10% не значат ровным счетом ничего. капля в море.
[17:26:58] mishok13: в пять раз для юрлиц
[17:27:14] mishok13: которые платили отнюдь не по тем же тарифам, что и обычные
[17:27:16] mishok13: люди
[17:27:36] mishok13: так что разница в тарифах между физиками и юриками уже около 40 раз
[17:27:40] nmk: я читаю тут http://korrespondent.net/kyiv/726860
[17:27:48] nmk: там про юриков ничего не написано
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[17:28:30] mishok13: облять, 520 тысяч льготников
[17:28:34] mishok13: ну, как обычно
[17:28:40] mishok13: гречка, чай и макароны
[17:29:10] mishok13: я бы с удовольствием платил за услуги, если бы я их получал
[17:29:33] mishok13: а так блять каждый месяц почти 250 грн. непонятно за что плачу
[17:30:08] mishok13: за интернет понятно -- 150, услуга есть, за ТВ -- 96 тоже понятно, за телефон блять понятно, а за коммунальные услуги непонятно
[17:30:38] nmk: ну ты думаешь что, скажем, за год что-то изменится?
[17:30:54] Лис: mishok13, сокакак?
[17:30:55] mishok13: нихуя не изменится
[17:31:02] pzskc383: когда в этой стране что-то менялось?)
[17:31:05] nmk: так а нахуй больше платить? :)
[17:31:20] Лис: вода/газ/отопление/мелкаяхуйня, а-ля вывоз мусора
[17:31:25] Лис: сколько получается?
[17:31:53] Лис: в баксах желательно
[17:31:54] Лис: :)
[17:31:55] mishok13: вывоза мусора у нас кстати летом не было
[17:32:08] mishok13: чему я был несказанно рад каждое утро и вечер
[17:32:12] Муркт: ээ, а куда он девался?
[17:32:17] mishok13: Муркт, никуда
[17:32:21] Лис: никуда, я так понимаю :D
[17:32:22] mishok13: огромная свалка была
[17:32:26] Лис: пиздец
[17:32:28] Муркт: пиздец, ну так же завалить можно полдвора
[17:32:31] mishok13: в сентябре начали разгребать
[17:32:35] mishok13: Муркт, и завалили
[17:32:41] Муркт: дайте две
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[17:34:06] mishok13: я молчу о воде, которую холодную нам отключают каждый день с 11 до 16
[17:34:12] mishok13: посрать блять низзя днем
[17:34:28] nmk: врачи вроде говорили утром полезнее
[17:34:46] mishok13: nmk, когда приболеешь диареей, посмотрим на твой совет
[17:35:04] nmk: злой ты
[17:35:20] mishok13: ну вот ты когда нибудь сливал горячей водой?
[17:35:26] nmk: да
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[17:35:30] Лис: mishok13, почитай таки статейку длинную
[17:35:30] mishok13: и как запашок?
[17:35:34] nmk: полнедели, пока ебаные сантехники шли
[17:35:36] Лис: которую я утром скидывал
[17:35:43] mishok13: Лис, на выходных
[17:35:55] nmk: mishok13: да не заметил запашка особенно.. не помню по крайней мере ничего такого
[17:36:50] mishok13: короче, вопрос вот в чем -- повысит ли качество услуг повышение цен на них?
[17:36:57] mishok13: ответ прямо на языке вертится
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[17:38:47] Лис: mishok13, так я цифру не разобрал в этом шуме
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[17:38:55] nmk: бля. он еще вертолет и самолет купил. веселый дядька то
[17:39:09] mishok13: Лис, 250 грн по нынешнему курсу примерно 30 баксов
[17:39:09] Муркт: ну бабло у него и своё есть
[17:39:12] mishok13: летом было 50
[17:39:20] mishok13: ну, я думаю, Правекс-банк продать
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[17:43:26] Joes: Бабаян жжет: В июле 2008 года процессор впервые показали прессе. Компьютер Эльбрус-3М при частототе 300 МГц в режиме совместимости с IA-32 обогнал 500 МГц Intel Pentium III в тестах SPEC.
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[17:46:54] Муркт: энтузиазма ни у кого не вызвало, после черновецкого-то куда тут бабаяну удивляться
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[17:46:58] Муркт: :)ъ
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[19:37:34] Муркт: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pseudomethod
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[19:51:40] darkk: А вот возник у меня такой вопрос — использую джангу и пытаюсь понять, получу ли я какой-то профит от использования django-forms в том случае, если:
0) форма не статична, т.е. число полей (тысяч чекбоксов) может меняться
1) заполнить форму невалидно нельзя (если не править hidden полей)
2) дизайн формы всё равно свой

если честно, даже не совсем понимаю как (0) в джангоформах сделать.
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[19:52:48] Лис: darkk, попробуй почитать про формы
[19:52:55] Лис: там довольно объёмный матерьял
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[19:53:15] Лис: но в итоге ты будешь вознаграждён
[19:55:15] darkk: почитал доку на офсайте <http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/forms/> — все примеры приведены для случая, когда кол-во полей и их типы статичны. можно, конечно, генерить наследника от django.forms.Form на лету, но это нездоровым колдунством пахнет
[19:56:11] darkk: о, на Forms API проглядел ссылку в заголовке
[19:57:08] Лис: darkk, http://django-cdbforms.googlecode.com/svn/trunk
[19:57:15] Лис: тута глянь
[19:57:45] Лис: тут всё динамика ацкая
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[20:03:18] darkk: ух, при взгляде так и хочется сказать «PEP-8!», а вообще да, спасибо.
по крайней мере понял что в сию секунду это мне поможет мало.
[20:04:20] Лис: :)
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[20:06:00] red-agent: "приведены для случая, когда кол-во полей и их типы статичны"
[20:06:03] red-agent: а как иначе?
[20:06:12] red-agent: если они берутся с модели - юзай ModelForm
[20:06:21] darkk: нет, они не берутся с модели.
[20:06:27] red-agent: а если нет - телепатию джанго не умеет
[20:07:01] Муркт: ред, ты уверен, что сейчас не тупишь? :)
[20:07:18] red-agent: вобще, нет. Я устал и не совсем понимаю о чем он...
[20:07:34] darkk: список полей берется с удалённого вебсервиса :-)
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[20:08:01] Муркт: red-agent: ну так иди отдохни :)
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[20:09:33] red-agent: Муркт, я морально устал, после ебли с osx86.
[20:10:25] Муркт: red-agent: ну так иди морально отдохни :)
[20:10:36] red-agent: darkk, ну так генерируй форму на лету. посмотри как например сделано в адмнке.
[20:10:56] red-agent: Муркт, и как ты предлагаешь это сделать? :)
[20:11:13] Муркт: red-agent: в третью кваку зарубись
[20:11:24] Лис: в тремулос!
[20:11:25] red-agent: втопку.
[20:11:34] Муркт: red-agent: действительно, зарубись в топку
[20:11:39] Лис: в топку, тоже вариант, а как в неё играть?
[20:11:40] red-agent: http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=47139
[20:11:42] Лис: %)
[20:11:50] Муркт: Лис: ;)
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[20:12:06] red-agent: щит, я всегда знал, что в Карпатах неадекватные абборигены.
[20:12:17] Муркт: в топку зарубаются?
[20:12:26] Лис: скорее зарубают
[20:12:47] Муркт: Лис: кстати, ты в курсе альпинистской терминологии?
[20:12:57] Лис: неа
[20:13:00] Лис: а шо?
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[20:13:13] Муркт: да у них очень популярное слово "зарубиться"
[20:13:28] Муркт: млять, этот черновецкий342 заколебал уже
[20:13:36] Муркт: засырает лог входом-выходом
[20:14:16] Лис: http://de.fishki.net/picsw/012009/29/ukraine/006.jpg
[20:14:18] Лис: гмм
[20:14:32] Лис: один, среди вооружённых "баб"
[20:14:41] Лис: это основатель секты, никак иначе
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[20:17:04] Лис: хехе
The 'g' modifier doesn't exist in Ruby, a regexp can't be used directly in a while loop; instead, use String#scan { |match| .. }
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[20:35:35] piranha: http://code.google.com/p/blackgold/issues/detail?id=3
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[20:37:15] pit: ривет всем
[20:37:20] pit: :)
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[20:38:12] Лис: >Hans Reiser may have some suggestions regarding problems of this type.
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[20:38:26] Муркт: ага, зачотик
[20:38:29] piranha: бля
[20:38:31] piranha: сколько можно скакать?
[20:38:45] darkk: это гуглебаг новый
[20:38:49] darkk: гуглеюзеров в конференции не пускает
[20:38:53] piranha: darkk: в плане?
[20:39:02] piranha: гы
[20:39:10] darkk: в jabber-oprtators тред 8 часов назад начался :-)
[20:39:12] piranha: нех гуглем пользовацо
[20:39:32] darkk: угу, глючен их жаббер без меры
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[20:40:19] red-agent: кеке. таки да.
[20:40:57] red-agent: darkk, причем тут глючен? Раньше все было нормально. Это либо они специально забанили, либо девелопят сервак и где-то накосячили с s2s
[20:41:22] piranha: говнюкиии
[20:41:24] darkk: red-agent: думается, второе
[20:41:27] piranha: точно накосячили с s2s
[20:41:36] piranha: потому что у меня трабла с чуваками с гугльаппса
[20:41:45] piranha: их сервер часто висит последнее время на валидации
[20:41:47] piranha: мазафаки
[20:42:03] Лис: darkk, master yoda? o_O
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[20:43:29] darkk: Лис: в плане?
[20:43:36] darkk: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/operators/2009-January/000381.html — вот тред вышеупомянутый
[20:43:39] Лис: [20:39:32] darkk: угу, глючен их жаббер без меры
[20:43:46] Лис: прям как йода говоришь :)
[20:44:11] darkk: гм. а какой естестевенный порядок? «жаббер глючен без меры» ?
[20:44:22] red-agent: реализовывать клиентскую или серверную часть xmpp это геморное и не благодарное дело.
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[20:45:39] piranha: : ихджаббер gmail.com jabber ;
: глючен bug invoke ;
: мера limit ;
: безмеры мера not ;

ихджаббер глючен безмеры
[20:46:49] darkk: Сэр Хаскель?..
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[20:46:56] piranha: darkk: forth
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[20:47:07] piranha: неплохо вообще, перепутать хаскель с фортом
[20:47:14] piranha: это примерно как лисп с ассемблером
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[20:47:17] piranha: %)
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[20:47:21] piranha: питон и си
[20:47:27] darkk: с фортом я вообще не знаком, а хаскель только издалека видел.
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[20:47:35] darkk: /me даже SICP не читал :-(
[20:47:36] piranha: :)
[20:47:41] piranha: я сикп тоже не читал
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[20:49:15] Лис: piranha, прибей его уже
[20:49:21] piranha: ага
[20:49:21] Лис: космаса
[20:49:46] piranha: вроде саксесс
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[20:50:32] Муркт: кул
[20:50:34] Муркт: и виза тоже
[20:50:35] Муркт: :D
[20:50:41] Муркт: я знаю, он через гугль
[20:51:17] piranha: та ясное дело, шо через гугль
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[21:05:37] pit: народ ктонибудь пользовался pywinauto
[21:05:55] piranha: блин
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[21:06:03] piranha: чуваки, напомните мне, чтоб я виза разбанил
[21:06:04] piranha: :)
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[21:37:30] pit: piranha: напоминаю разбань виза
[21:37:35] pit: %)))
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[21:37:57] Лис: ашо, гмыло уже починили?
[21:38:01] Муркт: pit: рано ещё, я думаю
[21:38:09] piranha: pit: он опять будет скакать? :)
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[21:46:17] pit: как лошадка :)
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[21:47:02] pit: блин не одупляю про автоматическое исполнение окон
[21:47:45] pit: блин был бы какой нить приблуд чтоб автоматом считать окно и запомнить пазиции .. а то я уже замаился
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[22:16:48] pit: pywinauto ремучий лес какой то :)
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[22:17:19] pit: я думаю тут много каму может понадобиться такая приблуда .... так почему ж не развивается тема ?
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