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[01:20:00] : piranha has set the subject to: Python.SU | Python 3.0 вышел! | Код постить в dumpz.org | Логи: http://xa4a.org.ua/logs/pythonua@conference.jabber.ru/ | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Разрешено не более 2 тупых вопросов в день от человека, превышающие лимит задавайте на http://itquest.ru/
[01:20:10] xa4a: !google ipcalc python
[01:21:06] pit: куда пропал бот :) на короткое время :)
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[04:10:35] pit: народ я тут мозг разминаю :) """ Посещаемость сервиса Яндекс.Погода составляет около 1 млн хитов в сутки. Какую нагрузку (запросов/секунду) он должен выдерживать?""" я тут думаю так
[04:10:36] pit: i'mho нагрузка не распределяется одновременно в промежутке времени :))) однако и пиковая нагрузка простой математикой не получится считать... приходим к выводу ... 1000000/(60*60*24) примерно 11 ))))))) такое не бывает )))) переменная всегда плавает. Хм зато у нас есть козырь , мы знаем в какие часы основная масса будет заходить в сеть чтоб посмотреть погоду :))) происходит это в основном днём :) погода показывается только по России , от этого и отталкиваемся. На территории России примерно 8-10 часовых поясов :))) хм а от этого и рисуем картину ... :) 1000000.0/(60*60*8) примерно 34. Похоже на правду однако и это не факт ... :) идём дальше основной наплыв будет в центре рабочего времени это получается 2-3 часа и того получилось 1000000.0/(60*60*2) примерно 140 запросов в секунду должен выдерживать сервис :). А иначе даун :)

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[04:17:47] A2K: взять график нагрузки по времени, найти максимальное значение, добавить 20%
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[04:19:09] pit: а я логику использовал свою кривую :)
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[04:54:28] sevenov: смайлофаг
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[04:59:28] sevenov: А чтобы выдержать 140 запросов в секунду можно сильно не думать. Я бы сказал, 1 средненький сервачек. Главное, чтобы эти 140 запросов могли выполняться за секунду (как-то так: клиент -> веб-сервер -> приложение -> sql-сервер -> приложение -> веб сервер -> клиент ). "приложение -> sql-сервер -> приложение" - самое узкое место.
[04:59:35] pit: просто надо было доканать ребяток
[05:00:06] sevenov: каких ребяток?
[05:00:25] pit: ну меня и вас за одно уж :)
[05:00:49] sevenov: нас-то чем? тупостью?
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[05:00:55] sevenov: все, я спать
[05:00:58] sevenov: буй
[05:00:59] pit: моей :)
[05:01:08] pit: моей тупостью :)
[05:01:30] pit: а смаилофаг - это лечится ?
[05:01:42] sevenov: даааааааааааааа ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))00
[05:02:08] pit: :))))))))))))
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[05:04:08] pit: хотя я думаю не буду лечиться от смаилофага :))) пускай мучаются :)
[05:04:57] pit: и покрылся мир смаилами
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[11:54:14] _RT_: Привет всем :)
[11:55:09] _RT_: Куда можно посмотреть по поводу настройки wsgi под nginx с запуском под этим всем django. Пока туплю и вылетает target WSGI script '/home/rt/workspace/xxx/src/wsgi.py' cannot be loaded as Python module
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[13:30:24] Александp: как в django можно получить доступ к таблице отношений ManyToMany минуя модель в которой обозначено это поле?
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[13:38:55] Psixopad: вопрос, где можно почитать,желательно на русском языке,про связку моделей в Django ?
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[16:45:20] niro|by: [django] Вопрос про кэширование. Добавление в MIDDLEWARE_CLASSES: 'django.middleware.cache.UpdateCacheMiddleware','django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware','django.middleware.cache.FetchFromCacheMiddleware', включает полное кэширование. Как отключить это, чтобы расставить, что кэшировать, а что нет ?
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[17:11:46] Большой Лис: хехе
[17:12:32] Большой Лис: http://github.com/lincolnloop/django-cpserver/tree/master
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[17:15:08] wiz: о
[17:15:11] wiz: куль
[17:15:13] wiz: работает? ((=
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[17:23:48] wiz: вроде работает...
[17:24:10] wiz: надо будет в продакшне попробовать заменить коген на это
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[17:28:17] Большой Лис: ваапще то пиранья давно уже промутил нечто такое же
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[17:38:34] wiz: мбмб
[17:38:38] wiz: это вроде покошерней
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[17:43:26] gigimon: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=24927#p24927 --- хелп кто не занят плиз )
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[18:00:54] wiz: gigimon: я же уже сказал по этому поводу
[18:01:21] wiz: хотя если там ещё и цена...
[18:02:16] wiz: сколько времени у тебя все запросы занимают?
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[18:10:28] gigimon: wiz: на 10 записях в базе, подсчет всей цены около 0.4 с
[18:10:39] gigimon: обновление не проверял
[18:11:29] wiz: ну сделай 10к записей
[18:11:31] gigimon: wiz: позавчера жаббер.ру глючил, я листинг видел, а вот как из ключа что брать нет
[18:11:49] gigimon: из группировок*
[18:12:07] gigimon: wiz: угу, вечером сделаю
[18:12:14] wiz: там если цена ещё участвует, то не по чему группировать
[18:12:47] gigimon: эх
[18:13:22] mishok13: http://www.acooke.org/lepl/ <-- какие наркотики крепкие, однако
[18:13:31] gigimon: wiz: но мне всеравно кажется, что при обновлении 500+ записей, быстрее будет 1 запрос писать руками
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[18:16:05] bergamot: if ((km[0] == 10) or km[0] == 11) and ((km[1] == 2) or (km[1] == 3)):
как можно упростить это?
[18:17:02] bergamot: if 9 < km[0] < 12 сойдет?
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[18:20:26] wiz: gigimon: и какой запрос руками ты собрался писать?
[18:21:53] mishok13: вариант который сразу в голову приходит -- km[0] in (10, 11) and km[1] in (2, 3)
[18:22:26] mishok13: вообще, такие вот названия переменных меня немного смущают :/
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[18:25:23] gigimon: wiz: эм... ну еще незнаю)
[18:25:32] sevenov: пыщьпыщьпыщььььь
[18:25:39] gigimon: пдыщь
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[18:26:22] bergamot: mishok13, да, спасибо, так вполне нормально... не привык in использовать в if.
[18:26:37] bergamot: km - координаты, переменная очень часто используется, поэтому короткая
[18:27:33] mishok13: ну, не знаю, у меня координаты обычно coordinates называются, и как-то меня это не смущает :)
[18:28:10] wiz: питонский мемкаше сильно тормознее сишного?
[18:28:40] mishok13: нет
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[18:29:08] mishok13: точнее, какого именно сишного?
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[18:29:17] mishok13: libmemcached или apr_memcache?
[18:30:13] mishok13: или ваще memcacheclient?
[18:30:19] wiz: э
[18:30:32] wiz: ниипу (:
[18:30:38] mishok13: :)
[18:30:43] wiz: который cmemcache
[18:31:27] mishok13: короче, все обертки вокруг мемкеша делают по сути очень простые вещи -- отсыл/прием данных по сокету
[18:31:32] mishok13: тормозить там нечему
[18:32:06] mishok13: разве что библиотеки для работы с сокетами, используемые оберткой, очень медленные
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[18:32:15] mishok13: which is not the case with python
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[18:34:33] mishok13: cmemcache -- обертка над libmemcache, который давным-давно не развивается
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[19:44:07] generatorglukoff: стоит ли использовать new.instancemethod или уже нужны другие варианты?
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[19:48:15] mishok13: from types import MethodType
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[19:49:00] generatorglukoff: mishok13: спсб
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[19:49:31] mishok13: только учти, что types -- не подходит для old-style classes
[19:50:26] generatorglukoff: в джанге ведь нормальные?
[19:50:59] mishok13: яебу
[19:51:07] mishok13: я джангу не использую
[19:51:17] generatorglukoff: лан, разберемси
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[19:51:52] mishok13: должны быть новые, вроде как джанга питон версии 2.4 как минимум требует
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[19:54:10] generatorglukoff: насколько это кошерно - не расширять модельный класс, не наследоваться от него, а продекорировать инстансы?
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[23:30:18] Disаbler: hiall. подскажите, как в питоне присвоить значение глобальной переменной в процедуре и как его потом его извлечь из нее в другой процедуре?
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[23:30:41] xa4a: а) ты этого скорее всего не очень хочешь
[23:30:50] xa4a: б) 'global' statement
[23:32:47] Disаbler: xa4a: подробнее можно? грубо говоря у меня объявляется переменная aaa='bbb'. первый раз глобально, потом изменяется и используется в процедуре. как ёё объявить?
[23:33:24] xa4a: http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#grammar-token-global_stmt
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[23:33:51] xa4a: снаружи - aaa='bbb'. в функции в начале - global aaa
[23:33:56] xa4a: но опять же
[23:34:00] xa4a: ты этого скорее всего не очень хочешь
[23:34:22] Муркт: просто травмирован каким-нибудь другим языком программирования
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[23:34:33] Муркт: я ни разу в своём коде не использовал global
[23:34:53] Disаbler: xa4a: вот что получаю при обращении к переменной: UnboundLocalError: local variable 'lastRoom' referenced before assignment
[23:35:06] xa4a: global lastRoom до первого использования втыкни
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[23:36:08] bbodio: а lastRoom в глобальном неймспейсе или это вложенная ф-ция и lastRoom - внутри внешней ф-ции?
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[23:36:43] Disаbler: xa4a: втыкал. тот же результат.
[23:36:52] Disаbler: bbodio: в глобальном.
[23:37:00] xa4a: dumpz.org
[23:37:10] bbodio: тогда global действительно поможет
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[23:39:19] Disаbler: bbodio: global надо писать в начале всей рограммы или внутри функции?
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[23:40:10] xa4a: внутри функкции
[23:40:25] bbodio: перед использованием переменной внутри ф-ции
[23:40:25] xa4a: это виляет на текущее пространство имён
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[23:40:41] xa4a: Disаbler: код на dumpz.org может помочь
[23:40:45] bbodio: dumpz!
[23:40:57] bbodio: or paste.org.ru
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