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[00:39:06] gigimon: народ, а кто Александр тут из Киева?
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[06:52:37] _lorien: http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/idioteka/2009/03/23/
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[08:20:52] red-agent: http://www.dofiga.net/?post=7568
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[10:04:10] sevenov: http://www.linux.org.ru/view-message.jsp?msgid=3575363
[10:04:22] sevenov: Боян наверное, но сам заголовок интересен )
[10:04:34] sevenov: Торвальдс пересел на гном, а гном переходят на гит %)
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[10:13:41] renyare: У мну сегодня есть тупой вопрос:
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[10:14:41] renyare: Есть некий диспетчер, запускающий wsgi-приложения. Есть 2 варианта: 1. при каждом запуске создавать экземпляр всего класса целиком и из него запускать __call__
[10:15:00] renyare: 2. Создать экземпляры при инициализации, а при вызове только запускать __call__
[10:15:19] wiz: очевидно 2
[10:16:21] renyare: насколько больше будут накладные расходы при варианте 1 чисто на создание экземпляра?
[10:16:38] renyare: иногда хочется внутри __call__ менять свойства класса
[10:17:02] renyare: и получается не тред-сейф, если не создавать экземпляр для каждого треда
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[10:18:56] renyare: CherryPy, например, создает отдельный тред для каждого __call__ диспетчера.
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[10:41:14] mishok13: Guido van Rossum (gvanrossum): Haskell's purity reminds me of lemon juice: you need to add lots of water, sugar and ice to make refreshing lemonade.
[10:41:16] wiz: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/218414044_af59f5df4f.jpg -- django ORM
[10:42:52] mishok13: IndusLogic
[10:42:55] mishok13: http://www.developers.org.ua/archives/max/2009/03/23/interview-globallogic-roman-khmil/
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[10:43:00] mishok13: жепь еюрило
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[10:46:51] mishok13: """
На Твитсе вы можете дарить Пиксы своим Твитлам при условии, что вы обоюдно находитесь в твитлах друг у друга, и у вашего Твитла еще не было загружено ни одной Пиксы.
"""
[10:46:55] mishok13: http://tweets.ru/help
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[10:48:05] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/library/importlib.html <-- OMFG, нормальные импорты!!111
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[10:54:19] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
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[10:55:32] piranha: mishok13: importlib — bojan
[10:55:38] piranha: хотя и клевый боджан
[10:55:41] mishok13: ну боян это одно
[10:55:49] mishok13: а вот дока только вчера появилась
[10:55:54] mishok13: так что отсавить пиздеж
[10:55:55] piranha: да ну
[10:55:56] mishok13: .
[10:55:58] piranha: фига с два
[10:56:02] piranha: я еще недели две назад читал
[10:56:09] piranha: а, я в 2.7 читал
[10:56:16] red-agent: /me бы годик назад за эту либо многое бы отдал
[10:56:42] wiz: http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2258/3367765916e3915598f3o.jpg
[10:56:44] piranha: wiz: шо django orm?
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[13:34:58] piranha: http://blog.metaoptimize.com/2009/03/22/fast-deserialization-in-python/
[13:35:06] piranha: итого - cjson быстрее, чем пикль
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[13:38:53] red-agent: дык.
[13:38:55] red-agent: ясен-красен
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[13:39:03] red-agent: они-то сериализуют словарь
[13:39:25] red-agent: а пикль может зохавать все, что дашь и выплюнуть в бинарном виде
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[13:39:53] piranha: джоном тоже можно объекты сериализовать
[13:40:25] red-agent: всмысле замаршаллить обьект а потом его в json?
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[13:40:54] piranha: ну, словарем
[13:40:59] red-agent: ну я понял
[13:41:01] red-agent: ну так и получишь производительность на уровне пикля
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[13:41:07] red-agent: потому, что на маршаллинг уйдет время.
[13:42:44] piranha: ну да
[13:42:49] piranha: а в простом случае - намного быстрее
[13:43:12] piranha: объекты не так часто надо сериализовать
[13:43:19] red-agent: тоже верно.
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[14:36:54] Большой Лис: mishok13, из openstreetmap можно выдернуть названия городов?
[14:37:12] Большой Лис: в смысле с привязкой по стране
[14:37:19] mishok13: хм...
[14:37:52] mishok13: можно, но я сходу не припомню как
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[14:42:20] Большой Лис: вспомни пожалуйста
[14:43:27] mishok13: Большой Лис, есть два простых способа, навскидку -- по bbox используя OSMXAPI выдергивать все place="city" или взять экстракт данных для конкретной страны, загнать в pgsql и сделат простешую выборку :)
[14:43:44] a1fred is now offline
[14:44:00] Большой Лис: а где там "экстракт данных" берётся?
[14:44:11] Большой Лис: на planet.osm?
[14:44:25] mishok13: http://download.cloudmade.com/europe#breadcrumbs
[14:44:47] mishok13: к примеру, http://download.cloudmade.com/europe/albania/albania.osm.bz2
[14:44:49] mishok13: :)
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[14:45:11] mishok13: далее можешь или прямо по xml или в pgsql с помощью osm2pgsql
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[14:47:41] Большой Лис: osm2pgsql - Openstreetmap data to PostgreSQL converter
[14:47:45] Большой Лис: о, в апте есть
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[15:03:35] slav0nic: никакого веб редактора нет с поддрежкой формул? аля WYSIWYG
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[15:04:02] Большой Лис: охохо
[15:04:04] Большой Лис: захотел
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[15:07:06] _lorien: google docs может?
[15:07:37] slav0nic: лан, обойдутся)
[15:08:46] wiz: http://latex.com/ (=
[15:09:17] Большой Лис: wiz, ты зайди туда сначала
[15:09:22] Большой Лис: (:
[15:10:18] wiz: http://thornahawk.unitedti.org/equationeditor/equationeditor.php
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[15:12:55] Joes: у хабра красивая 50х страничка :-)
[15:12:59] Joes: прямо ща можно лицезреть
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[15:14:45] Большой Лис: прикольно
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[15:47:23] Svoloch: жабоскриптеры, шо не так в этом коде?
node.ownerDocument.renameNode(node,'',value);
[15:47:50] red-agent: а что в нем не так?
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[15:50:18] Svoloch: кидает исключение
0x80004001 (NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED) [nsIDOM3Document.renameNode]
[15:50:35] renyare: дык нот имплементед
[15:50:54] renyare: не умеет она такую функцию - не написали ещё
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[15:52:01] Svoloch: придётся самому пмсать :(
[15:52:24] gigimon: piranha: ку, тебя Александром звать?)
[15:52:31] piranha: да
[15:52:40] gigimon: значит ты на хабре добавил :))
[15:53:01] piranha: угу
[15:53:26] gigimon: ух, давно не был тут. уже 39 человек сидит О_о
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[16:01:51] Большой Лис: гэнг целый :)
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[16:05:37] Большой Лис: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fail-owned-dangerous-church.jpg?w=498&h=388
[16:05:41] Большой Лис: хыы
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[16:07:14] sevenov: Кста, а куда A2K пропал?
[16:07:27] red-agent: незнаю куда, но надеюсь надолго
[16:07:36] red-agent: а еще лучше - навсегда
[16:07:38] red-agent: ^_^
[16:07:56] sevenov: да ну нах, скучно без него, некого нахуй посылать и т.п.
[16:08:22] red-agent: /me 'у не составляет большого труда послать нахуй кого-то другого
[16:09:10] sevenov: red-agent, ну надо же с чувством, с толком, с расстановкой )
[16:09:27] red-agent: /me прокашлялся
[16:09:44] red-agent: Уважаемый sevenov, не соизволили бы вы пойти на хуй? >__<
[16:09:47] red-agent: :D
[16:09:55] sevenov: /me соизволил
[16:09:56] sevenov: :D
[16:10:10] piranha: не больно?
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[16:10:27] Svoloch: /me повесил на двери конфы табличку "тут посылают нахуй"
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[16:10:46] sevenov: piranha, на словах вроде нет
[16:10:46] red-agent: /me повесил еще одну над первой: Здесь интернеты, детка
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[16:11:36] sevenov: /me повесился
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[16:11:50] sevenov: Бля, 40 человек, а тухляк
[16:11:52] sevenov: :-/
[16:12:30] Svoloch: sevenov: а я вот есчё час назад спал...
[16:12:34] red-agent: все бабы - суке =(
[16:12:48] sevenov: Svoloch, ну ты Svoloch :-)
[16:12:54] sevenov: red-agent, не дают?
[16:12:56] sevenov: :-)
[16:13:07] Большой Лис: неудачнег ;)
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[16:14:13] red-agent: sevenov, не дают =(
[16:15:02] sevenov: red-agent, а ты пока тепленькая ;-))
[16:15:04] red-agent: точнее, у тех, которые дают брать не хочется
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[16:15:13] red-agent: а у тех, которых хочется - не дают
[16:15:39] Svoloch: red-agent: C2H5OH
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[16:16:00] Svoloch: и другие вещества
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[16:17:20] Муркт: топор, дубина.
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[16:17:34] sevenov: лопата
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[16:18:16] sevenov: монтировка
[16:18:17] sevenov: лом
[16:18:21] red-agent: грабли
[16:18:34] Svoloch: тротил
[16:18:44] piranha: claws... check!
[16:18:48] piranha: clubs... check!
[16:18:54] piranha: saws.... check!
[16:19:00] Svoloch: стена
[16:19:33] sevenov: the wall
[16:19:36] sevenov: охуенчик
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[16:25:38] Большой Лис: вот мля
[16:25:44] Большой Лис: кто python-markdown юзает
[16:25:49] Большой Лис: второй который
[16:25:51] poltergeist is now online
[16:25:51] piranha: 1
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[16:25:59] Большой Лис:
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/markdown/__init__.py" in convert
400. start = output.index('<%s>'%DOC_TAG)+len(DOC_TAG)+2
Exception Type: ValueError at /shop/air-fresheners/
Exception Value: substring not found
[16:26:05] Большой Лис: шо за скоцтво
[16:26:09] piranha: не было проблем еще
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[16:27:06] Большой Лис: piranha, у меня чото тоже не было
[16:27:10] Большой Лис: а тут вдруг появились
[16:27:16] Большой Лис: pull сделал :)
[16:27:33] piranha: :)
[16:27:43] Svoloch: the wall in the oven with the poison 8-)
[16:28:13] Svoloch: браузеры вообще DOM3 поддерживают?
[16:28:21] Большой Лис: doom3
[16:28:22] Большой Лис: ага
[16:28:27] piranha: quake live поддерживают
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[16:29:28] Svoloch: у меня без DOM3 браузерный XML редактор тормознутым получится :(
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[16:34:05] Svoloch: всё! надоело соображать, пойду всякой хуйнёй маяцо....
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[16:38:12] jedgar: http://failblog.org/2009/03/19/extreme-spelling-fail/#comments
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[17:10:29] tilarids: Большой Лис, а твое это multidb позволяет переключать бэкенды или базы в пределах одного бекэнда?
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[17:13:09] Большой Лис: можно использовать разные бекенды в принципе
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[17:14:27] sevenov: Большой Лис, а можно юзать 6 разных серверов mysql и 2 pg "одновременно"?
[17:14:47] tilarids: Большой Лис, ты пробовал разные бекенды юзать?
[17:14:59] Большой Лис: http://dumpz.org/6780/
[17:15:06] Большой Лис: tilarids, нет :)
[17:15:23] Большой Лис: но теоретически должно заработать
[17:15:24] tilarids: Большой Лис, :)
[17:15:30] Большой Лис: изкаропки
[17:15:48] tilarids: Большой Лис, слушай, а ты где-нибудь описывал, как им пользоваться?
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[17:15:55] Большой Лис: readme
[17:15:59] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
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[17:16:08] Большой Лис: sevenov, можно
[17:16:11] Большой Лис: хуле нет
[17:16:13] Большой Лис: хоть 100
[17:16:29] sevenov: Большой Лис, где взять?
[17:16:36] nmk is now online
[17:16:37] Большой Лис: тока "одновременно" не получится :)
[17:16:48] Большой Лис: палюбому переключается "глобально"
[17:16:57] Большой Лис: какую базу использовать в данный момент
[17:17:01] Большой Лис: НО! это легко вынести
[17:17:10] sevenov: Да это если что можно допилить
[17:17:26] Большой Лис: https://github.com/kron4eg/multidb-django/tree
[17:17:29] sevenov: Но мне щас уже так-то похуй :)
[17:17:52] tilarids: Большой Лис, а * Implement per model switch, using manager ты так и не сделал?
[17:18:05] Большой Лис: неа :)
[17:18:11] Большой Лис: меня "нежна не заставила"
[17:18:14] Большой Лис: ээ
[17:18:15] tilarids: Мне вот хочется, чтобы часть моделей была в одной базе, а часть - в другой
[17:18:16] Большой Лис: нужда*
[17:18:23] Большой Лис: tilarids, вот вот
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[17:18:28] Большой Лис: теперь придётся сдеалть manager
[17:18:35] Большой Лис: но там оочень лехко всё :)
[17:19:26] Большой Лис: пофтыкай 5 минут максимум, и ты врубишься во всё :)
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[17:19:48] tilarids: Большой Лис, разберёмся :) Я уже который день втыкаю по полной во всё это :)
[17:20:16] _lorien is now away
[17:20:19] Большой Лис: manager есть на http://www.eflorenzano.com/blog/post/easy-multi-database-support-django/
[17:20:27] Большой Лис: ну, его надо под реалии подпилить конечно
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[17:21:46] Большой Лис: мне самому за ненадобностью просто такое было
[17:21:48] Большой Лис: вот и не сделал :)
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[17:24:15] bahus: Господа, углубленно занимавшиеся py2exe - взгляните плз http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4053
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[17:25:59] Большой Лис: tilarids, хотя...не всё так просто...
придётся заводить ещё один глобальный объект в котором хранить, какая модель в какую базу лазиет
[17:26:02] Большой Лис: как то так
[17:26:19] Большой Лис: но вот например, join-ить через базы уже нельзя %)
[17:29:44] Большой Лис: гемор короче, и костыль
[17:29:45] Большой Лис: вот
[17:30:00] Большой Лис: и всё потому что django ORM на такое не расчитан
[17:31:35] tilarids: Большой Лис, ты имеешь в виду cross-base джоины?
[17:32:11] Большой Лис: угу
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[18:32:08] tilarids: а как в js проверить, определена ли некая переменная?
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[18:33:23] bbodio: function checkVar(what) { return Boolean(typeof what != 'undefined' && what); }
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[18:35:02] xa4a: что есть для питона насчёт stemming?
[18:35:07] xa4a: для русского
[18:36:09] tilarids: xa4a, xapian
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[18:36:40] piranha: нене
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[18:36:42] piranha: есть шото другое
[18:36:46] piranha: вроде бы
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[18:37:07] xa4a: nltk?
[18:37:27] piranha: не
[18:37:40] xa4a: tilarids: спасибо, пробую
[18:37:49] tilarids: xa4a, pymorphy
[18:38:00] tilarids: посмотри, классная вещь
[18:38:06] piranha: pymorphy
[18:38:08] piranha: во, точно
[18:38:10] tilarids: bbodio, js> function checkVar(what) { return Boolean(typeof what != 'undefined' && what); }
js> d
typein:11: ReferenceError: d is not defined
js> checkVar(d)
typein:12: ReferenceError: d is not defined

[18:38:12] piranha: я только нашел
[18:38:19] piranha: xa4a: прикрути его к вушу и я буду щаслиф )
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[18:38:34] xa4a: piranha: к кокому вушу?
[18:38:44] piranha: whoosh
[18:38:47] xa4a: а
[18:38:55] piranha: http://whoosh.ca/
[18:39:05] _lorien: if (typeof foo == 'undefined) {
// неопределена
}
[18:39:21] xa4a: piranha: мне ща не до этого. надо нопейсать чо-то на конференцию :)
[18:39:45] piranha: на какую конференцию?
[18:39:48] Typhon: exception?
[18:39:50] xa4a: нэ
[18:39:51] tilarids: xa4a, ты, кстати, открыл бомбербота сорсы?
[18:40:03] xa4a: tilarids: я сделал реп паблик, да
[18:40:10] xa4a: и отчленил смотрелку риплеев
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[18:40:31] _lorien: wtf бомбербот?
[18:40:35] Typhon: sapka
[18:40:36] xa4a: piranha: тут в универе проводят. нада туда чо-то впихнуть, типа, чтобы для магистратуры публикации были
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[18:40:55] tilarids: xa4a, какую смотрелку реплеев? Ты еще смотрелку туда какую-то прикрутил?
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[18:41:08] xa4a: я визуалайзер отковырял
[18:41:25] piranha: xa4a: ясно
[18:41:28] xa4a: tilarids: http://bitbucket.org/xa4a/sapka-player/
[18:41:37] xa4a: bin/run -log trace.out
[18:41:42] piranha: а шо там сапка, кстати?
[18:41:46] piranha: она ж уже кончилась?
[18:41:50] xa4a: в воскресенье результаты
[18:41:52] tilarids: xa4a, гы. /me тоже заставляют с pymorphy ковыряться. Вот только не для своей статейки, а чтобы препод нифига не делал
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[18:45:37] red-agent: [18:45:41] Большой Лис зашёл в комнату
[18:45:54] red-agent: звучит, бля
[18:46:06] xa4a: э
[18:46:07] qzip: вопрос по sqlite:
почему-то при
cur.execute("INSERT INTO main VALUES (\":name\",0,0,0,0,0,0,0)",{"name":p[0]})
записывается в базу не значение параметра, а :name
[18:46:25] Большой Лис: red-agent, \m/
[18:46:54] qzip: *{"name" : p[0]}
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[18:47:22] qzip: не подскажите в чем плз?
[18:48:29] qzip: опа, скобки лишние
[18:48:31] qzip: странно
[18:48:43] qzip: пардон за беспокойство
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[19:09:18] xa4a: что-то ваш pymorphy хреново пашет
[19:09:21] xa4a: даже тесты фейлятся
[19:09:28] xa4a: Ran 18 tests in 0.190sFAILED (failures=6)
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[19:56:49] tilarids: xa4a, работает оно нормально. А вот про тесты - ничего не скажу
[19:57:07] xa4a: пример пжлст
[19:57:14] xa4a: а то мне даёт на всё русское []
[19:57:17] tilarids: вот только смотри, оно с юникодом работает, поэтому если у тебя ipython, то можно нарваться
[19:57:23] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[19:57:23] tilarids: xa4a, ipython?
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[19:59:09] xa4a: а..
[19:59:10] xa4a: да..
[19:59:14] xa4a: ок, попробую ещё, спс
[20:00:37] tilarids: xa4a, в python пробуй. Мы уже с Мурктом нарвались :)
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[20:11:32] _lorien: кто-нить юзал html5lib? Там странный soup какой-то, у него string не работает
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[20:12:18] _lorien: For your convenience, if a tag has only one child node, and that child node is a string, the child node is made available as tag.string, as well as tag.contents[0].
Вот такая штука из мана супа не работает в супе из html5lib :-(
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[20:17:13] tilarids: а как-нибудь можно отучить джангу удалять объекты рекурсивно?
[20:18:09] generatorglukoff: o_O
[20:18:29] wiz: ты предпочитаешь висящие foreignkey-и?
[20:18:41] tilarids: wiz, ага
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[20:21:05] _lorien: tilarids, почитай django-russian - там было обсуждение этого вопроса
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[20:21:27] Svoloch: от фигня... двое суток нихрена не жрал, а тут на хавчик пробило... и это среди ночи...
[20:21:48] Svoloch: бля... так впадло готовить...
[20:22:31] tilarids: _lorien, хорошее указание :) Если б там так мало постов было... МОжет, подскажешь, как в гугле вбивать?
[20:22:42] sevenov: ебаный гаджим. 65 юзеров всего, из них в онлайн - 27. Отображает в онлайн - 6, не в онлайн - ~10. Че за хуйня?
[20:23:13] _lorien: !google django-russian foreign-key удаление
[20:23:26] _lorien: Эх, шо за понос :-(
[20:23:29] Svoloch: sevenov: может у них невидимый статус?
[20:23:34] _lorien: tilarids, ну короче, гугль те в руки )
[20:23:41] sevenov: Svoloch, нет, самих юзеров нет в списке
[20:25:05] Svoloch: sevenov: реши проблему повиндузятски... ребутом.... перезапусти гаджим, пусть данные обновит
[20:25:06] tilarids: _lorien, ладно, спс
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[20:26:24] sevenov: Svoloch, хыхы, смешно
[20:26:52] Svoloch: sevenov: сработало?
[20:27:06] sevenov: Svoloch, нет конечно
[20:27:12] sevenov: Это у меня со вчера такое стало
[20:27:47] Svoloch: sevenov: а pidgin/psi/kopete шо показывает?
[20:27:58] sevenov: хз, ща попробую
[20:28:43] sevenov: psi и pidgin норм
[20:29:03] Svoloch: бля.... когда очется жрать невозможно кодить...
[20:29:32] Svoloch: интересно кто победит лень или аппетит?
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[20:29:53] sevenov: Svoloch, аппетит :)
[20:29:59] sevenov: Сам недавно этим страдал
[20:31:26] Svoloch: неа... победит то на чьей стороне будет ЧСВ
[20:31:35] sevenov: http://sevenov.info/static/uploads/gajim.png
[20:32:01] sevenov: Смотри: 2thomas(27/64), General (6/26)
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[20:34:26] Svoloch: у тебя только группа General?
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[20:41:35] sevenov: Svoloch, да
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[20:42:15] sevenov: блядь. Sid. Обновил систему, снесло все gtk нахуй. Сам gtk, gtkrc и пр. зависимости.
[20:42:20] Svoloch: может это совсем другая статистика?
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[20:42:30] sevenov: Svoloch, всегда была та
[20:42:50] Svoloch: sevenov: шо за дистр?
[20:43:28] sevenov: Sid - что это еще может быть по твоему?
[20:43:32] sevenov: дебиан )
[20:44:05] Svoloch: а... та хрень от которой убунта рпоизошла....
[20:44:19] xa4a: /me тихо бурчит себе под нос "генту-генту"
[20:44:31] sevenov: я не хочу к ней возвращаться
[20:44:38] sevenov: я не терпеливый
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[20:44:52] Svoloch: arch лутше, он бинарный
[20:44:53] sevenov: а арч заебал, кривое, сырое, недопилинное говно
[20:45:50] Svoloch: sevenov: кстати, както при обновлении ядра, комп перестал видеть устройства
[20:46:14] sevenov: У меня после ребута не работает звук и приходится переконфигурировать алсу
[20:46:41] sevenov: а еще в некоторых пакетах прописаны не все зависимости
[20:47:47] generatorglukoff: xa4a: +1
[20:48:21] sevenov: Бля. После балования со всякими mdc, synapse какого-то хуя часть юзеров перекинулась в новую группу с пустым заголовком. Gajim не умеет отображать группы с заголовком "без заголовка".
[20:48:31] sevenov: переименовал - теперь отображаются все
[20:48:39] xa4a: sevenov: кривое, сырое, недопилинное? пиши ебилд! в некоторых пакетах прописаны не все зависимости? пиши ебилд?
[20:48:50] xa4a: генту ведь :D
[20:48:52] Svoloch: надо будет попробовать переставить на десктопе, ато после покупки ноута на него забил практически
[20:48:53] sevenov: :D
[20:49:03] sevenov: лееень, я нетерпеливый :)
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[20:49:42] Svoloch: тут все лениые :)
[20:49:56] tilarids: так генту как раз для ленивых
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[20:50:04] tilarids: один раз настроил и всё
[20:50:43] sevenov: tilarids, я кагбэ с дебиана уж долго не могу перейти на другие дистры
[20:50:54] sevenov: все не нравиится, а гента - надо ждать
[20:51:18] Svoloch: tilarids: для Ъ ленивых вообще не надо настраивать
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[20:51:29] tilarids: Svoloch, такого не бывает
[20:51:30] tilarids: вообще
[20:51:34] tilarids: нет такого
[20:51:45] tilarids: кроме тетриса
[20:51:56] tilarids: тетрис - для Ъ ленивых
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[20:52:56] generatorglukoff: млять
[20:53:05] generatorglukoff: кейту паккарду нужно йайца потрывать
[20:53:14] generatorglukoff: la за 10
[20:53:23] generatorglukoff: из-за кривых интелевых дров
[20:53:26] Svoloch: generatorglukoff: кто это?
[20:53:46] generatorglukoff: Svoloch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Packard
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[20:55:47] generatorglukoff: Svoloch: он короче пишет дрова для интела
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[20:56:11] generatorglukoff: короче он поломал все что можно
[20:56:31] generatorglukoff: glxgears ~ 300 fps
[20:56:39] generatorglukoff: intel gma x3100
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[21:11:29] sevenov: mishok13, а че ты делаешь в python@? :)
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[21:12:52] sevenov: generatorglukoff, сгенерь-ка мне чуток
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[22:40:03] GrimbleGromble: после апдейта дебиана с 4.0 на lenny, flup стал кушать ~66 мб , до этого кушал где-то на 20 меньше, это от чего так может быть?
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[22:41:59] Большой Лис: версия флупа обновилась может
[22:42:05] Большой Лис: стала более прожорливая
[22:42:09] slav0nic: да, в ленни новее вроде
[22:43:08] Большой Лис: ну чувааааак
[22:43:10] Большой Лис: хехе
[22:43:16] Большой Лис:
# etch (oldstable) (python): Implements Python Web Server Gateway Interface (WSGI)
0.2126-1: all
# lenny (stable) (python): Implements Python Web Server Gateway Interface (WSGI)
1.0-1: all
[22:43:21] Большой Лис: разница, ойой какая
[22:43:26] Большой Лис: 0.2 и 1.0
[22:43:32] Большой Лис: это ж неба и земля
[22:43:36] Большой Лис: небо*
[22:44:31] pit: это нёбо :)
[22:45:10] Большой Лис: :)
[22:45:46] _lorien: это ёбо
[22:46:25] _lorien: это ж ёбо и емля
[22:47:13] GrimbleGromble: многовато выходит памяти надо, запустил блог, хотел еще что-нибудь, а памяти нема :\
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[22:47:59] Большой Лис: GrimbleGromble, юзай cherry-py wsgi server
[22:48:38] _lorien: 66мб - это ахтунг какой-то )
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[22:51:38] GrimbleGromble: в прошлый раз для 64 мб предложили nginx+flup, добавил памяти до 98, 22мб free - обрадовался, будем пробовать cherry теперь
[22:52:10] slav0nic: можно просто черри)
[22:53:13] _lorien: дык это... апачка с mod_wsgi и то меньше жрать будет, наверное )
[22:55:40] Большой Лис: _lorien, ты ж не знаешь что у него там за приложение
[22:55:47] Большой Лис: он похоже слоника пригрел
[22:56:01] Большой Лис: byteflow стока не жрёт
[22:57:26] slav0nic: у меня сайт тоже сначал жрёт 19мб, потом и до 70 доходит)
[22:57:33] slav0nic: а другие не текуть)
[22:58:22] GrimbleGromble: да самописный блог, сразу на старте начинает столько кушать
[22:58:35] _lorien: я скоро буду искать приключений на свою жопу - хочу переехать с дедика (1г рам) на впс (256 метров)
[22:59:17] slav0nic: кризис?)
[22:59:30] slav0nic: у меня 5 сайтов живут
[22:59:35] slav0nic: правда докупил ещё озухи
[22:59:50] _lorien: нашёл блог Дениса Откидача http://otkds.blogspot.com/
[22:59:50] slav0nic: я супервизор настроил на рестар если больше 64мб хавает апликуха
[23:00:06] _lorien: slav0nic, ну да, чё-т подумал, на кой я каждый месяц плачу по 50$
[23:00:18] slav0nic: ну я 18
[23:00:23] _lorien: а чего за супервизор такой?
[23:00:28] _lorien: slav0nic, а у тебя где?
[23:00:32] slav0nic: тектоник
[23:00:45] slav0nic: там чёт часто стали приколы с винтами случаться, тупить
[23:00:50] slav0nic: без кешаб сайт тупил
[23:00:59] slav0nic: хотя не всегда
[23:01:18] jedgar: эх, -1. http://www.eoy.ee/kodukakk/kakukaamera/
[23:01:37] _lorien: slav0nic, там же виртуоззо? Она считается хуже xen, тока я толком не понял почему )
[23:01:58] _lorien: slav0nic, ха, наверное винты тупят как раз из-за виртуозо :-)
[23:02:09] slav0nic: там правильный виртуозо, раз на то пошло то как я читал - опенвз быстрее ксена
[23:02:14] slav0nic: но в ксене есть своп
[23:02:15] slav0nic: там фиг
[23:02:26] slav0nic: ну винты на всех впс узкое место)
[23:02:50] _lorien: Вот я тоже тектоник смотрел :-) У них ща акция - первый месяй 15 центов или тип того :-) Но меня отпугнуло виртуозо и ещё то, что они в штатах, пинг неприятный для ssh
[23:03:02] slav0nic: супервизор это хрень для управления процессами http://supervisord.org/
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[23:03:37] slav0nic: ну пинг да, у меня 200мс дето
[23:03:55] _lorien: а куда пингануть можно?
[23:04:03] slav0nic: блог
[23:04:23] Большой Лис: slav0nic, и как он тебе? (супервизод)
[23:04:49] _lorien: $ ping http://slav0nic.org.ua
ping: unknown host http://slav0nic.org.ua
хмм
[23:04:57] slav0nic: как как работает) просто мне с работы надо через прокси заходить, а так на порту по хттп хапустил, можно рестартить
[23:05:15] slav0nic: _lorien, всё ок у меня)
[23:05:45] slav0nic: Большой Лис, +есть там мониторилка процессов, в плане RSS, только не пойму нафига её сделали сервисом
[23:06:02] Большой Лис: _lorien, ping http?
[23:06:15] _lorien: да, точно :-)
[23:06:19] Большой Лис: наркоман штоле?
[23:06:19] _lorien: у меня 280 пинг средний
[23:06:20] Большой Лис: :)
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[23:11:02] _lorien: что меньше жрёт django + cherrypy + nginx или django + apache + mod_wsgi + nginx ? :-)
[23:12:40] Большой Лис: первое
[23:13:06] Большой Лис: IMHO первое :)
[23:13:08] _lorien: А чо тогда все юзают второе? )
[23:13:14] _lorien: IMHO все )
[23:13:29] wiz: php тоже все юзают
[23:13:32] Большой Лис: апачом проще управлять
[23:13:33] slav0nic: у меня дохлые сайты едят 10-15мб) пожирнее 30-50
[23:13:34] _lorien: slav0nic, ты что юзаешь для джанго? )
[23:13:42] slav0nic: черри, блог на вебпи и флупе)
[23:13:46] slav0nic: 10мб хавает)
[23:13:51] Большой Лис: в смысле запуск перезапуск сайта, проще
[23:14:04] Большой Лис: чем CP скрипты мачить и запускат заново
[23:14:29] slav0nic: ну supervisor)
[23:14:29] Большой Лис: _lorien, этот злодей CP юзайет, палюбасу ):
[23:14:30] Большой Лис: :)
[23:14:48] _lorien: Круто, надо будет черипай покопать, а то хуйакнетсо моя vps чувствую )
[23:14:50] slav0nic: джангу можно в группу внести и всё скопом
[23:15:45] slav0nic: на апаче чуваку ставил, вбил в крон рестарт апача каждую ночь чтоб не парится)
[23:16:50] slav0nic: _lorien, в черри треды можно уменьшить чтоб поменьше хавало
[23:18:44] slav0nic: *к-во
[23:19:21] _lorien: Имеешь в виду кол-во постоянно поддерживаемых тредов?
[23:19:31] _lorien: Которые типа ждут запросов?
[23:20:29] slav0nic: ага
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[23:28:10] slav0nic: _lorien, ну на черри легко запустить сайт ипроверить сколько есть) в команды добавь пираныча апликуху и радуйся
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[23:31:12] _lorien: да ща думаю на vds 64 метра потестить разные способы подключения django-сайта
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[23:48:02] _lorien: visudo отрывает sudoers в nano гы )
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