[00:00:10] piranha: red-agent: я таки вспомнил таракан Мэтта :)
[00:00:20] piranha: без определенного обоснования который %)
[00:00:31] piranha: он говорит, шо епта GPLv2 и все
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[00:01:41] red-agent: бльо
[00:01:46] red-agent: и ради этого ты меня разбудил?
[00:01:47] red-agent: :D
[00:01:49] piranha: :D
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[00:02:45] sevenov: :D
[00:02:57] sevenov: /me поржал для кучки
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[00:04:52] _lorien: стопицот! )
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[00:06:17] sevenov: >Есть набор php-скриптов + БД. Скрипты работают в связке и постоянно, заполняя БД информацией, скачиваемой из интернета (или разбирая файлы на диске).
[00:06:20] sevenov: пиздееец
[00:06:33] sevenov: глобальная деградация, ёпте
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[00:07:23] Svoloch: /me такие скрипты писал на пёрле
[00:08:22] _lorien: sevenov, в чём деградация?
[00:09:18] sevenov: _lorien, да народ все чаще и чаще пользует пхп для написания всего, что можно и нельзя.
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[00:14:27] xa4a: sevenov: почему бы скрипты не писать на php?
[00:15:47] piranha: еще есть парсилки коммандлайна, кроме getopt, optparse и argparse?
[00:15:59] slav0nic: зачем?
[00:16:22] _lorien: piranha, sys.argv :o)
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[00:17:09] piranha: slav0nic: optparse немного не хватает, argparse - apache license
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[00:29:02] xa4a: чем в distutils package_data отличается от data_files ?
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[00:50:01] xa4a: хм.. кто-то юзал py2exe?
[00:50:25] xa4a: у меня чего-то сами модули в dist/ не падают, хотя в build/lib лежат
[00:50:43] xa4a: и всё остальное - зависимости и data на месте - в dist/
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[07:20:33] axce1: подскажите почему в python выскакивает такая ошибка http://dpaste.com/21466/
а в ipython нормально все возражает
[07:23:40] wiz: запиши в файл и оттуда вызывай
[07:23:50] wiz: btw, подозрительный код
[07:26:08] axce1: wiz, про код это ты мну?
[07:26:28] wiz: тбу
[07:27:13] _lorien: а что там подозрительного?
[07:27:21] axce1: _lorien, +1
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[07:29:19] wiz: как минимум, что будет несколько раз считать половину веток
[07:30:30] wiz: и вообще рекурсия тут нахер не нужна q:
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[07:39:29] axce1: нужна для учебно-позновательно целей )
[07:46:28] wiz: а почему не от 0 считается с сохранением промежуточных результатов?
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[08:05:29] axce1: wiz, пока изучаю что есть а дальше больше (может подскажешь что читать нужно начинающему :) )
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[08:12:08] wiz: всё подряд
[08:13:01] wiz: один фиг начинающий будет "начинать" пока у него в голове не замкнёт от накопленых знаний.
[08:13:53] axce1: ага, читаешь читаешь все подряд а потом и появляются такие вопросы *LOL*
[08:14:05] wiz: точнее от накопленой информации. а вот когда замкнёт оно начнёт потихоньку в знания перевариваться
[08:14:41] renyare: всё сразу не изучишь. Пойми, что ты хочешь написать и начни это писать. И в эту тему уже выбирай, какие конкретно доки тебе читать.
[08:15:33] axce1: а я сейчас start_with_python изучаю пока
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[08:15:39] wiz: угу. начинай с конкретики.
[08:15:48] wiz: а потом уже абстрактные вещи типа рекурсии.
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[08:16:18] axce1: хм... не зная синтаксиса с конкретики
[08:16:53] wiz: да
[08:17:11] wiz: впрочем про синтаксис ты передёргиваешь
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[08:17:46] axce1: почему же?
[08:17:58] wiz: ты его как бы уже знаешь, раз полез в рекурсию
[08:18:17] wiz: а если не знаешь, то нафига полез? (=
[08:19:15] wiz: впрочем, как видишь, "незнание синтаксиса" тебя не остановило от изучения весьма эзотерических конструкций
[08:19:37] axce1: дык там рекурсия то на основе if else не более :[
[08:20:06] axce1: да ладно у Сузи это первая задача, я вообще в шоке был =O
[08:20:35] wiz: тупо
[08:20:59] Typhon: wiz, а почему рекурсия -- эзотерическя конструкция?
[08:21:18] wiz: потому что вредна, если её применять без понимания сути дела
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[08:30:48] _lorien: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Karte_baikal2.png
а у вас открывается ссылка?
[08:32:10] wiz: да
[08:32:14] axce1: yes
[08:32:20] red-agent: axce1, or n == 2 убери оттуда
[08:32:30] wiz: irkutsker oblast
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[09:24:13] sevenov: замечаю тенденцию, всех спамят на всяких ресурсах. Так до гугла не далеко %)
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[11:16:16] Патриот: привет всем, как в питоне можно узнать какие объекты ссылаются на объект?
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[11:18:30] mishok13: gc.get_referrers, я так понимаю
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[11:20:27] Патриот: спасибо, посмотрю
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[11:20:35] mishok13: или что ты понимаешь под "обьекты ссылаются на обьект"?
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[11:20:41] mishok13: блять, не люблю когда так делают
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[11:30:26] Патриот: mishok13: сорри, окно закрыл случайно...
под "обьекты ссылаются на обьект", я понимаю что есть какой то экземпляр класса, и надо узнать какие другие объекты ссылаются на него
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[11:34:50] mishok13: это не обьясняет понятия "ссылаются"
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[11:35:35] mishok13: покажи пример кода, что-ли
[11:35:40] Патриот: ща подробно попытаюсь объяснить что и зачем мне нужно
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[11:56:17] red-agent: пиздец
[11:56:20] red-agent: менты - дауны
[11:56:32] red-agent: туда по-моему принимаю только даунов
[11:56:35] red-agent: специально.
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[12:00:59] Патриот: mishok13: http://dumpz.org/7072/ тут код, ща распишу зачем мне это надо
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[12:05:04] Патриот: мне нужно из pygame_loop() посылать что-нибудь серверу, а для этого нужен экземпляр протокола(MyProtocol). вот я и хотел узнать где он может храниться(мб где-то в фактори), вызвав что-нибудь типа print gc.get_referrers(self) в connectionMadе
[12:05:56] renyare: дык передай ему экземпляр через аргументы
[12:06:30] renyare: внутри connectionMade экземпляр класса - self
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[12:07:26] mishok13: ёбаный твистед
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[12:09:25] Патриот: у меня pygame_loop вызывается тогда когда коннекта еще нету
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[12:15:38] mishok13: мне кажется, сначала надо было попробовать без твистеда, хыхы :)
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[12:56:34] SaveCars: Всем доброго дня! Возникла проблема. Что это может быт и как бороться?
[12:56:35] SaveCars: UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 1: ordinal
not in range(128)
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[15:42:25] bahus: Exmap: хз, но альтернативы есть, вот тут смотри http://code.google.com/p/gui2exe/
[15:43:09] Exmap: ладно, спс...
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[16:11:09] unk2k: всем привет
как сделать из int(6.00) int(6)
?
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[16:11:40] piranha: unk2k: перефразируй
[16:11:57] sevenov: >>>int(1.00)
1
[16:12:00] red-agent: 6.00 - это float, а не int
[16:12:19] unk2k: v = float(......)
print v
>>> 6.00
мне надо что бы вывелось
>>> 6
[16:12:30] red-agent: бля, ты дурак?
[16:12:32] bahus: =)
[16:12:37] unk2k: %.0f не катит
[16:12:47] unk2k: нет
[16:12:51] unk2k: это гены
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[16:12:55] unk2k: так как сделать то ??
[16:12:57] piranha: unk2k: int(6.00)
[16:13:00] bahus: зачем ты делаешь float, если тебе нужно int?
[16:13:13] sevenov: unk2k, выше бля написано
[16:13:20] unk2k: int преобразует строку в целое число ?
[16:13:28] unk2k: ага
[16:13:30] unk2k: спасибо
[16:13:31] sevenov: бляяя
[16:13:35] red-agent: пиздец
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[16:13:43] sevenov: unk2k, goto python@ а не pythonua@
[16:14:11] nmk: мож в python потролить..
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[16:46:42] cutwater: приветствую всех
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[17:18:02] xa4a is now online
[17:19:40] xa4a: http://www.thewebtechreviews.com/2009/03/17/potential-release-date-for-starcraft-2-june-2nd-2009/
[17:19:53] bergamot is now online
[17:19:53] piranha: пурум-пум-пум
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[17:21:30] bergamot is now offline
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[17:22:50] xa4a: прощай сессия
[17:23:01] azzz is now offline
[17:23:23] Большой Лис: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fail-owned-announcement-fail.jpg
[17:23:24] mishok13: пиздец, я думал отпуск брать аж в августе
[17:23:28] mishok13: прийдется раньше
[17:23:31] SerG is now xa
[17:23:55] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[17:24:32] Большой Лис: а компы у вас потянут его?
[17:25:08] xa4a: Большой Лис: зато его можно будет пітаться ставить в вайн
[17:25:17] Большой Лис: ыы
[17:25:38] mishok13: Большой Лис, тут есть два пунктика
[17:25:43] Большой Лис: прям как на этой картинке
[17:25:48] Большой Лис: с фэилблога
[17:25:53] mishok13: 1. близзард всегда делал свои игры не очень ресурсо-жрущими
[17:25:53] MAVr is now away
[17:26:06] mishok13: 2. мне похуй, у меня трехьядерник + 3750 будет
[17:26:20] Большой Лис: don't try anal before june 2nd :)
[17:26:30] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[17:26:38] Большой Лис: mishok13, кул
[17:26:47] Большой Лис: думаешь в этот раз оно на вайне пойдёт?
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[17:26:52] vermus.jabber is now dnd
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[17:27:05] mishok13: Большой Лис, думаю, на виндоус 7 пойдет
[17:27:09] mishok13: для игр -- винда
[17:27:13] mishok13: я себе не враг :)
[17:27:27] Большой Лис: пнятно %)
[17:28:10] piranha: как в питоне списки работают?
[17:28:30] piranha: в смысле, хранится список указателей на адреса объектов или как вообще у них достигается вменяемая скорость?
[17:29:39] Svoloch: в питоне всё объекты, следовательно всё по ссылкам
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[17:30:01] red-agent is now online
[17:30:44] slav0nic: http://www.argumenti.ru/publications/9285
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[17:31:12] mishok13: piranha, Objects/listobject.c
[17:31:16] mishok13: ;)
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[17:31:54] mishok13: внутрях хранятся просто ссылки на PyObject
[17:32:04] Большой Лис is now offline
[17:32:17] mishok13: плюс ресайз делается с запасом
[17:33:11] piranha: угу
[17:34:02] mishok13: + есть еще хак
[17:34:07] mishok13: PyList_GET_ITEM
[17:34:14] mishok13: он никаких проверок не делает
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[18:02:22] _lorien: где грабли, если я захочу jinja2 юзать в джанге?
[18:03:17] piranha: темплейттеги не работают
[18:03:25] piranha: ну и в принципе больше ничего такого
[18:05:50] _lorien: Т.е. я не смогу объединить шаблон и некуую логику (=темплейттэг) ?
А как быть с повторяющимися кусками, типа меню, которое из бд выборку делает?
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[18:06:34] piranha: _lorien: сможешь
[18:06:39] piranha: я имею в виду джанговские не будут работать
[18:06:48] red-agent is now online
[18:06:49] piranha: ну и плюс там редко пишут темплейттеги
[18:06:52] piranha: там все больше макросами
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[18:12:54] red-agent is now online
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[18:25:19] Effgen is now away
[18:25:33] Большой Лис: piranha, шо за макросы?
[18:26:31] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[18:27:58] red-agent is now xa
[18:28:02] xa4a is now online
[18:30:23] tilarids: _lorien, при этом лучше писать на jinja2 изначально. Я вот попытался существующие шаблоны джанговские на jinja2 пустить, получил фигу
[18:31:31] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[18:31:35] Большой Лис: ну дак портируй их, "слехка" :)
[18:31:55] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[18:32:51] piranha: Большой Лис: глянь в доку
[18:32:59] piranha: грубо говоря - функция в темплейте
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[18:33:06] vermus.jabber is now offline
[18:33:06] tilarids: Большой Лис, я забил. Там что-то было непонятное. А времени не было
[18:33:54] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[18:34:21] Большой Лис: piranha, не вижу ничего по слову macros
[18:34:22] mishok13 is now xa
[18:34:23] Большой Лис: в докухе
[18:34:32] Большой Лис: Extensions может?
[18:34:56] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[18:34:57] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[18:35:50] piranha: Большой Лис: экстеншены - теги
[18:36:35] piranha: ща, сек
[18:36:35] unk2k is now online
[18:36:37] Большой Лис: ага нашёл
[18:36:41] Большой Лис: прикольно
[18:36:55] Большой Лис: {% macro input(name, value='', type='text', size=20) -%}
<input type="{{ type }}" name="{{ name }}" value="{{
value|e }}" size="{{ size }}">
{%- endmacro %}
[18:37:00] gigimon is now Да, я здесь.
[18:37:01] Большой Лис:
<p>{{ input('username') }}</p>
<p>{{ input('password', type='password') }}</p>
[18:37:03] piranha: http://jinja.pocoo.org/2/documentation/templates#macros
[18:37:08] Большой Лис: джанга курит :)
[18:37:25] piranha: ;)
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[18:39:27] gigimon is now Да, я здесь.
[18:39:39] Большой Лис: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/56029/
[18:39:45] Большой Лис: пездетс, напишите дауну про touche file.wsgi
[18:39:49] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[18:39:52] gigimon: скажите, а jinja аналог джанги? или только темплейты?
[18:40:08] cutwater: темплейты
[18:40:11] gigimon: понятно
[18:40:25] cutwater: это standalone template engine
[18:41:21] piranha: Большой Лис: туше? )
[18:41:31] gigimon: Большой Лис: где почитать?))
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[18:42:09] Большой Лис: touch*
[18:42:10] piranha: gigimon: в доках modwsgi
[18:43:25] cutwater: вчера ж написал вот этот код http://dumpz.org/7061/,
думаю его на сях переписать да индикатор работы сервера в трей засунуть.
[18:43:42] cutwater: чтобы можно было видеть запущен ли сервак.
[18:43:54] red-agent is now online
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[18:44:45] Большой Лис: о_О
[18:45:04] xa4a: Большой Лис:
[18:45:05] pit is now ?
[18:45:10] xa4a: причём тут touch?
[18:45:13] xa4a: это ж через веб
[18:45:19] Большой Лис: и шо?
[18:45:26] xa4a: а, ну можно из скрипта тач, да
[18:45:28] Большой Лис: потачить файл нельча из веба?
[18:45:32] xa4a: ладно. nvm
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[18:59:34] cutwater is now О, ты, нелепое созданье,
Что полнит мир ужасным злом,
Спасись: о стену мирозданья
Ударься мерзостным челом…
[18:59:36] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[18:59:40] cutwater is now О, ты, нелепое созданье,
Что полнит мир ужасным злом,
Спасись: о стену мирозданья
Ударься мерзостным челом…
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[19:08:21] gigimon: хмм
[19:08:49] tilarids is now xa
[19:08:56] gigimon: для mod_wsgi если демон через скрипт например daemon.wsgi, то надо просто touch daemon.wsgi и он ребутнется?
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[19:10:15] gigimon: или что значит touch
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[19:10:42] Большой Лис: изменить время последней записи wsgi файла
[19:10:51] Большой Лис: и демон ребутится
[19:10:55] piranha: http://leprastuff.ru/data/img/20090331/9b8b9799e60478cf8ea3d75889e697e1.jpg
[19:11:00] Большой Лис: НО, только если прописанно
[19:11:23] Большой Лис: WSGIScriptReloading On
WSGIReloadMechanism Process
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[19:12:39] cutwater: товарищи, кто помнит есть 2 библиотеки для парсинга аргументов, натыкался на днях на 3ю на http://docs.python.org, которая поддерживала позиционные параметры и много всего хорошего. вот вопрос, никто не помнит что за модуль такой?
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[19:28:14] gigimon: Большой Лис: понял,спасибо
[19:29:29] cutwater: :(
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[19:30:29] piranha: http://fester-ua.livejournal.com/351552.html?style=mine
[19:30:42] piranha: fakeen sheet
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[19:43:21] cutwater: все.. нашел. эта тварь называется argparse
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[19:50:24] piranha: если б у нее лицензия лучше была
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[19:53:13] cutwater: piranha, в чем ее недостатки. просто текст лицензии Apache еще не читал и с ней не сталкивался.
[19:53:19] cutwater: если не сложно конечно
[19:53:42] piranha: я хочу заюзать ее в проге под лицензией БЗД
[19:53:57] piranha: и теперь сижу и думаю - то ли переходить на гпл3, то ли писать автору "дай плз разрешения"
[19:54:10] piranha: недостаток в том, что достоинств нету
[19:54:16] gigimon is now offline
[19:54:17] piranha: и юзать ее смысла нету никакого
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[19:55:11] cutwater: :-(
[19:55:44] red-agent is now online
[19:55:54] piranha: ну тебе пох
[19:56:01] piranha: *если тебе пох, то все ок
[19:56:04] piranha: %)
[19:56:10] piranha: она совместима с гпл3
[19:56:37] cutwater: да как бы пох... но я все таки стараюсь придерживаться лицензий на софт
[19:56:38] piranha: но я "латентный проприетарщик", как говорит доттедмаг, видимо
[19:56:41] piranha: эээ
[19:56:50] piranha: если ты не будешь придерживаться, то тебе будет больно потом
[19:56:55] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[19:57:04] cutwater: именно.
[19:57:09] cutwater: не считая венды
[19:57:14] piranha: ну это не щитаецо ;)
[19:57:18] piranha: я про опенсорсные говорю
[19:57:27] cutwater: ну да. я буду гореть в аду
[19:57:33] piranha: =))
[19:57:39] piranha: а еще общество плевать будет
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[19:57:54] cutwater: /me гнусная сволочь
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[19:58:42] piranha: =)
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[20:04:00] brabadu: Люди добрые, а тут есть кто-нибудь, кто мне сможет объяснить как объявить некий метод слотом в PyQt?
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[20:08:45] cutwater: да вобщем-то любой метод мб слотом вроде
[20:08:53] cutwater: только аргументы должны соответствовать.
[20:09:27] cutwater: piranha, почитал текст лицензии и описалово. есть конечно непонятные моменты, но оставило негативное впечатление
[20:10:18] piranha: да не, нормал
[20:10:26] piranha: вопрос в том, что мне не подходит )
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[20:11:07] cutwater: не совсем понимаю
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[20:11:18] piranha: у меня - бзд
[20:11:23] piranha: и я не могу эту срань у себя заюзать
[20:11:42] cutwater: если не уведомишь автора и они не предоставят тебе права чтоле
[20:12:44] piranha: два варианта
[20:12:54] piranha: либо я перехожу на совместимую с ней, либо автор дает разрешение
[20:12:57] piranha: не факт, что он это сделает
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[20:15:03] cutwater: ясно. спасибо.
[20:15:39] piranha: ты собираешься прогу распространять? Под какой лицензией?
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[20:16:04] cutwater: да пока ни под какой. на будущее скорей этот вопрос для себя решить хочу.
[20:16:16] cutwater: чтобы щас заюзаю, а потом не напороться...
[20:16:47] piranha: ну в принципе выбор обычно из двух вещей: бзд и гпл
[20:16:54] piranha: есть мит, которая == бзд
[20:17:03] piranha: отличия понимаешь?
[20:17:22] cutwater: условия bsd и gpl понимаю
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[20:17:24] cutwater: и знаю
[20:17:32] piranha: угу
[20:17:33] cutwater: мит не в курсе что такое
[20:17:38] piranha: то же самое, что и бзд
[20:17:43] piranha: _lorien: пинг
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[20:19:28] cutwater: ну вот в перспективе лучше иметь на некоторые продукты иметь возможность закрыто код и распространять под коммерческой лицензией. я то за свободное по, но нужно знать было :)
[20:20:42] piranha: апач проблем не доставляет в этом плане
[20:21:43] cutwater: насколько я понял доставляет
[20:22:12] cutwater: видимо я ошибаюсь
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[20:22:30] piranha: да не...
[20:23:21] cutwater: /me просто ниасилил чтение лицензий на английском полностью. поэтому возникают недопонимания.
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[20:26:20] piranha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_License
[20:26:32] piranha: The Apache License does not require modified versions <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work> of the software to be distributed using the same license nor even that it be distributed as free/open-source software.
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[20:30:05] cutwater: ну это я понял, что не обязательно продукт может распространяться под той же лицензией, даже не под свободной
[20:30:14] cutwater: просто мучает вопрос в чем же трабл с бзд :(
[20:30:19] cutwater: видимо я окончательно туплю
[20:30:26] piranha: как в чем?
[20:30:32] piranha: в том, что апач запрещает больше, чем бзд
[20:30:41] piranha: и потому юзать в бзд-продуктах не получицо
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[20:31:58] cutwater: ага... все. дошло.
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[20:33:09] cutwater: piranha, спасибо большое что не послал с такими вопросами и за помощь
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[20:35:44] piranha: нп
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[20:36:49] Svoloch: код на javascript под какой лицензией лутше публиковать?
[20:37:31] cutwater: bsd ^_^
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[20:37:53] Svoloch: тоесть, без вариантов :)
[20:38:12] Svoloch: хорошо когда не надо думать :)
[20:38:18] cutwater: jquery под MIT опубликован
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[20:39:28] Svoloch: ну jquery я есчё не модифицировал под свои нужды, я тут другой маразм сочиняю
[20:40:40] cutwater: веб это отдельная и сложная тема имхо
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[20:45:27] Svoloch: /me хотел отказатся от webpy в пользу чегонибудь на haskell и тепрь пытается въехать в новые синтаксические конструкции.... свой код так и не написал
[20:46:02] wiz: Svoloch, дада. я тоже как-то пытался стать вегетарианцем пока в больницу не слёг
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[20:47:19] Svoloch: а я 2 года подряд был вегетарианцем, пока жиреть не начал, пришлось переходить на мясояичную диету для похудания
[20:47:42] wiz: жиреть?? o_O
[20:48:17] wiz: у тебя там сало на грядках растёт чтоль? (=
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[20:48:45] cutwater: мне вот еще интересно кто какими системами документирования пользовался.
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[20:48:59] cutwater: пытаюсь ознакомиться со Sphinx и Epydoc
[20:49:03] wiz: sphinx нынче Ъ
[20:49:04] Portnov: wiz: коровы видал какие жирные на траве вырастают? :)
[20:49:18] wiz: epydoc мне не пноравился.. очень грязно выглядит в коде
[20:49:22] cutwater: Epydoc посмотрел после прочтения статьи на python.su
[20:49:57] Svoloch: /me доку пишет отдельно от кода
[20:50:05] sevenov: а вот и я, бойтесь
[20:51:27] cutwater: щас попробую найти, ниразу не видел чтобы Sphinx-овые доки чтобы содержали индекс по классу
[20:51:45] cutwater: то есть как в доксигене сначала список всех методов, а потом ниже подробные описания
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[20:51:55] cutwater: а то навигация не оч удобна получается.
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[21:03:35] sevenov: чтобы разобраться в функциональном яп, лучше нахуй абстрогироваться от всякого ООП
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[21:06:33] Svoloch: ООП вообще не нужно, даже в питоне
[21:06:52] cutwater: омг
[21:06:57] cutwater: ну вот набежали ФПшники
[21:06:58] red-agent: автомобили тоже.
[21:07:07] red-agent: нахуй, когда можна ездить на байке? ^_^
[21:07:33] cutwater: нах, когда можно ходить пешком и ездить на лисапете
[21:07:42] Svoloch: /me тоже думает купить велосипед
[21:08:21] Svoloch: /me ждёт асоциаций на слово "велосипед"
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[21:09:16] red-agent: Да че тут ассоциировать?
[21:09:22] red-agent: Мозг у тебя уже атрофировался.
[21:09:24] red-agent: может ноги спасешь
[21:09:26] red-agent: ^_%
[21:10:00] Svoloch: да... изучение хаскеля малость сказалось... :(
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[21:11:20] sevenov: >[10:08:31 PM] cutwater: нах, когда можно ходить пешком и ездить на Лисе
fixed
[21:11:33] sevenov: >[10:10:20 PM] red-agent: Мозг у тебя уже атрофировался.
>[10:10:23 PM] red-agent: может ноги спасешь
:D
[21:12:19] sevenov: /me залогинился в Xfce, накидал иконок на десктоп и выложил это говно в Вконтакте :D
[21:12:39] cutwater: о_О
[21:12:45] cutwater: дай заценить
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[21:15:42] Svoloch: /me добивает свой мозг медитацией на это http://yashik.tv/video/view/42358/ и это http://yashik.tv/video/view/40629/
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[21:26:26] sevenov: cutwater, http://sevenov.info/static/uploads/icons_on_the_desktop.png =)
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[21:27:46] cutwater: сила в простоте
[21:27:52] cutwater: Gajim - respect
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[21:28:26] sevenov: cutwater, да хуйня это :)
[21:28:35] cutwater: о_О
[21:28:48] cutwater: а ты в чем сидишь обычно?
[21:28:53] sevenov: cutwater, http://sevenov.info/static/uploads/mplayer.png
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[21:29:13] cutwater: онеме ^_^
[21:29:21] sevenov: пару недель сидел на xfce, поставил потыкать и лень стало перелогиниваться в awesome %)
[21:29:30] cutwater: ну я на гноме
[21:29:38] cutwater: но мне свой стыдно показывать
[21:29:42] sevenov: это не онеме, а дорама
[21:29:46] cutwater: он пустой и панелько сверху
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[21:32:11] tilarids: а никто не сталкивался с тем, что при сохранении QueryDict в сессии django теряются значения, если этих значений несколько для одного ключа?
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[21:35:07] xa4a: tilarids: ?
[21:35:09] xa4a: Dict
[21:35:16] xa4a: несколько значений для одного ключа?
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[21:36:06] tilarids: xa4a, QueryDict
[21:36:12] tilarids: джанговский
[21:36:50] xa4a: я к тому, что, судя по зназванию, это вполне ожидаемое поведение
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[21:38:03] tilarids: xa4a, >>> from django.http import QueryDict
>>> q = QueryDict('a=1&a=2')
>>> q
<QueryDict: {u'a': [u'1', u'2']}>
>>>

[21:38:13] xa4a: а..
[21:38:20] xa4a: ноэ
[21:38:26] xa4a: гм
[21:38:42] xa4a: в пхп обычно писали a[]=1&a[]=2
[21:39:02] piranha: пхп такой пхп
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[21:39:36] tilarids: xa4a, /me не знает пхп :)
[21:40:04] xa4a: In [5]: pickle.loads(pickle.dumps(q))Out[5]: <QueryDict: {u'a': [u'1', u'2']}>
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[21:40:32] xa4a: аэгм
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[21:40:45] tilarids: pickle всегда отлично пиклит
[21:40:58] tilarids: >>> from django.contrib.sessions.backends.base import SessionBase
>>> s = SessionBase()
>>> str = s.encode(q)
>>> s.decode(str)
<QueryDict: {u'a': [u'2']}>
[21:40:59] piranha: а в сессии джанги шо?
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[21:41:16] tilarids: вот сейчас допроверяют и будут багу писать, наверное :)
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[21:42:54] xa4a: а это вообще корректно по rfc2616 посылать несколько get-параметров с одинаковым именем?
[21:43:16] piranha: да
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[21:43:21] tilarids: xa4a, да, думаю
[21:43:26] piranha: не только корректно, но и разумно
[21:43:31] piranha: xa4a: подумай о чекбоксах
[21:43:32] tilarids: иначе как multiple select работает?
[21:43:50] xa4a: хм. да.
[21:43:53] piranha: tilarids: добил ;)
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[21:52:17] sevenov: /me недавно с этом мучался, но уже ничего не помнит
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[22:10:46] sevenov: red-agent, http://www.demotivation.ru/j8m585keda1opic.html ;-)
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[22:12:54] red-agent: самый интересный вопрос, какого хуя это адресовано мне?
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[22:14:39] sevenov: red-agent, ну он знает все о взаимоотношениях полов. Может найдешь, как оригинальнее прибить самку?
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[22:16:21] red-agent: самок нужно не прибивать
[22:16:23] red-agent: а на кол сажать.
[22:16:28] red-agent: /me почесал свой кол
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[22:18:51] sevenov: правой рукой...
[22:18:52] sevenov: :D
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[22:19:11] Муркт: =)
[22:19:58] Большой Лис: http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1650-get-satisfaction-or-else
[22:20:01] Большой Лис: хохо
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[22:22:31] sevenov: Большой Лис, что-то много читать
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[22:22:47] Большой Лис: да там не много на самом деле
[22:22:58] Большой Лис: и довольно забавно :)
[22:23:10] Большой Лис: особенно если потой зайти на сайт и поискать известные названия компаний
[22:23:17] Большой Лис: лашар много как оказалось
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[22:25:20] sevenov: люди, а есть идеи, как сделать комментирование, допустим, как в блоге/форуме Сагалаева. т.е. ввод коммента аля анонимус+openid? Хочу прикрутить к bf и itquest.ru. Надеюсь, нормально объяснил вопрос.
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[22:28:05] Большой Лис: пишеш коммент, помечаешь его как временно не показанный, принимаешь openid, авторизуешь, если всё нормально, показываешь
[22:28:07] Большой Лис: как то так
[22:28:17] Большой Лис: собственно, а по другому никак
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[22:28:38] sevenov: Интересна сама последовательность. Например, создание записи с published=False, а потом при "complete" редиректить аля commit/<post_id>
[22:28:47] sevenov: Большой Лис, а, ну тоже самое
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[22:33:04] sevenov: Большой Лис, заебись, что линк подкинул. Забрал от туда фичу
[22:33:40] Большой Лис: какую? свистелку или перделку?
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[22:35:39] Большой Лис: /me pokes sevenov
[22:35:52] cutwater is now xa
[22:36:11] Большой Лис: поиск аяксовый штоле?
[22:36:14] Большой Лис: или ты про что?
[22:36:28] a1fred is now xa
[22:36:36] sevenov: Большой Лис, форма фопроса сразу для всех прямо на главной
[22:36:40] sevenov: *вопроса
[22:36:57] sevenov: если не авторизован, то с полем openid
[22:39:15] sevenov: ну как-то так
[22:39:17] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[22:39:24] sevenov: похуй, затра на трезвяк
[22:39:31] brabadu is now offline
[22:40:11] Александp is now away
[22:44:16] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[22:44:40] Большой Лис is now offline
[22:44:40] Александp is now online
[22:45:30] brabadu is now online
[22:45:31] brabadu is now online
[22:45:32] brabadu is now online
[22:45:33] brabadu is now online
[22:45:34] brabadu is now online
[22:46:40] ezotrank is now online
[22:47:30] xa4a is now away
[22:47:54] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[22:48:11] brabadu is now online
[22:48:38] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:49:18] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[22:51:54] xa4a is now online
[22:53:12] brabadu is now online
[22:54:20] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[22:56:24] Typhon is now away
[22:57:34] cutwater is now online
[22:57:38] GrimbleGromble is now away
[22:58:10] SerG_ is now away
[22:58:12] brabadu is now online
[22:59:21] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:00:08] pzskc383 is now away
[23:00:16] Typhon is now online
[23:00:41] SerG_ is now online
[23:02:05] Svoloch is now away
[23:03:11] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[23:03:13] brabadu is now online
[23:04:23] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:06:48] tilarids is now away
[23:07:38] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[23:08:14] brabadu is now online
[23:08:30] cutwater is now away
[23:11:03] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:11:03] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[23:11:03] Effgen is now away
[23:11:03] Svoloch is now away
[23:12:36] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[23:13:14] brabadu is now online
[23:13:18] sevenov is now offline
[23:13:19] sevenov is now xa
[23:13:28] cutwater is now online
[23:14:25] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:16:18] tilarids is now online
[23:18:15] brabadu is now online
[23:19:26] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:20:06] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[23:23:15] brabadu is now online
[23:24:27] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:28:16] brabadu is now online
[23:29:28] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:30:41] Александp is now offline
[23:30:59] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:33:17] brabadu is now online
[23:33:43] SerG_ is now away
[23:34:32] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:34:48] SerG_ is now online
[23:35:08] tilarids is now away
[23:36:00] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:38:17] brabadu is now online
[23:38:38] tilarids is now online
[23:38:39] vermus.jabber is now offline
[23:40:39] Effgen is now offline
[23:41:00] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:41:01] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:41:01] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:41:02] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:41:03] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:43:18] brabadu is now online
[23:43:27] Муркт is now offline
[23:45:11] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:45:59] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[23:48:18] brabadu is now online
[23:48:30] slav0nic is now away
[23:48:30] SerG_ is now away
[23:50:11] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:53:19] brabadu is now online
[23:54:34] piranha: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bastispicks/3400633546/
[23:54:40] piranha: злой пони
[23:55:12] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[23:55:18] xa4a is now away
[23:57:07] brabadu is now away
[23:57:08] brabadu is now away
[23:57:14] cutwater: блджад... что надо курить
[23:58:19] brabadu is now away
[23:58:30] slav0nic is now xa
[23:58:40] piranha: http://bash.org.ru/