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[04:16:42] _lorien: а тут кто-нить юзал django-mptt? не пойму как вывести дерево комментов, у меня оно криво сортируется...
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[04:34:47] A2K: есть кто на винде без установленых кутишных либ?
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[04:38:21] _lorien: я, тока я внутри vbox )
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[04:40:27] A2K: а, ы..
[04:40:39] A2K: ну если не лень, проверь запускается ли http://omploader.org/vMWpqag
[04:41:18] _lorien: чо то страшно, вдруг там вирус какой-то )
[04:41:36] A2K: да это я накодил за ночь..
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[08:59:26] cutwater: доброе утро всем
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[08:59:31] cutwater: есть кто живой?
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[09:00:55] _lorien: есть
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[09:02:41] cutwater: _lorien, вопрос такой. есть в джанге модель категорий иерархическая. то бишь есть парент. нужно в списке как-то показать иерархию дабы всем скопом не отображать весь список. кое-что уже нашел, ищу решение проблемы.
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[11:29:36] sevenov: http://w999d.habrahabr.ru/blog/57631/ <-- ох, для меня, моих глаз и сознания это уже слишком
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[11:38:43] ezotrank: ну так что, не кто автодополением для python не пользуется?
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[11:43:24] sevenov: ezotrank, а ты спрашивал?
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[11:45:42] ezotrank: sevenov вроде я )
[11:46:23] ezotrank: пробовал подобное http://www.enigmacurry.com/2009/01/21/autocompleteel-python-code-completion-in-emacs/ но постоянно какие то косяки вылазиют
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[11:49:24] sevenov: ezotrank, вопрос стоял по другому. Я спрашивал не то, что спрашивал ты или нет, а вообще, спрашивал ли ты. Я не вижу.
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[11:50:43] sevenov: ezotrank, http://undefined.org.ua/blog/2008/09/11/ropevim/ - вот тебе, отличный автокомплит
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[11:52:30] ezotrank: sevenov ну в принцепи тоже на rope только для вима..
[11:53:00] sevenov: ну да
[11:53:13] sevenov: тебе емакс чтоль нужен?
[11:53:25] sevenov: Дождись piranha
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[12:08:06] Мозгошредер: ropemacs
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[12:08:56] cutwater: народ, кто работал с django-mptt?
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[12:12:03] Мозгошредер: ropemacs - http://tinyurl.com/dxc5uh, 5-ая ссылка(на хабр)
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[12:13:01] Мозгошредер: http://www.rwdev.eu/articles/emacspyeng
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[12:17:48] sevenov: cutwater, я работал, но лучше посмотри django-treebeard
[12:18:12] cutwater: ок.
[12:18:32] cutwater: просто задался идиотским вопросом, где или как прописать регистрацию mptt
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[12:18:46] cutwater: mptt.register(Category, ...bla-bla-bla...)
[12:19:57] sevenov: ну в моделях )
[12:20:02] cutwater: просто судя по докам они его регают в модели. а так как модель импортится из нескольких мест у меня радостно вылетает эксепшн, мол она зарегана уже
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[12:20:58] sevenov: дык ты try: except: pass :)
[12:21:02] cutwater: ггг
[12:21:33] cutwater: это был вредный совет или серьезно?
[12:22:06] sevenov: это вредный, но решений не знаю. Я так глушил, но потом все таки перешел на django-treebeard
[12:22:14] sevenov: он написан сам по себе лучше
[12:23:22] cutwater: понятно
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[12:24:07] cutwater: правда мб я туплю.. мне нужно решить задачу - отображать в админке список категорий в более удоборедактиремом виде
[12:24:40] cutwater: ибо там иерархия категорий и держать все одним скопом некошерно имхо
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[12:28:11] cutwater: sevenov, или я щас совсем не то приложение кручу и не понял его предназначения
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[12:29:24] sevenov: cutwater,
>It includes 3 different tree implementations: Adjacency List, Materialized Path and Nested Sets.
[12:29:37] cutwater: видел
[12:29:48] sevenov: значит, это то, что тебе нужно
[12:29:51] cutwater: :)
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[12:37:10] Stefan: http://dumpz.org/7633/ форма
http://dumpz.org/7634/ views
http://dumpz.org/7635/ лог
как правильно ModelMultipleChoiceField использовать?
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[12:55:04] : .
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[12:57:34] : Поздравляем всех с Пасхой! Христос воскресе!
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[14:00:38] Stefan: http://dumpz.org/7636/
как сделать чтоб уникальные только поля возращал, distinct не получается (
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[14:02:31] A2K: пхпешник детектед
[14:02:55] Stefan: ?
[14:03:14] Stefan: привет
[14:03:27] A2K: pep8.
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[14:04:14] Stefan: угу понял)) тока походу создатели django не везде используют pep8
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[14:05:32] Stefan: где видишь ошибку у меня, лучше скажи
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[14:08:17] Stefan: subtype = SubtypeModelChoiceField(queryset=Economy.objects.all().distinct(),widget=forms.Select,label="Подтип")
ыы не будет работать как пить дать, из-за того что там поля все уникальные, мне надо надо походу вынимать из базы только одно поле, но тогда ругается типа нету pk
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[14:09:00] Stefan: values('pk','subtype').distinct() но тоже чет не верится, id везде разный
[14:09:09] Zernike is now Apache-shmapache
[14:09:11] Stefan: бл
[14:09:29] A2K: ну так бери первый из .all()
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[14:10:48] Stefan is now online
[14:10:49] Stefan: ну и что дальше .all()[0] ?
[14:11:43] A2K: я бы так сделал
[14:12:12] A2K: но его может и не быть на самом деле
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[14:13:26] Stefan: и зачем? мне надо все уникальные значения одного поля
[14:13:40] A2K: аа.
[14:13:43] A2K is now online
[14:14:03] Stefan: ыы можно его choices перебрать
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[14:23:58] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[14:25:49] Stefan is now online
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[14:26:40] xa4a_: что-то надо?
[14:26:49] xa4a_: все уникальные значения одного поля?
[14:26:54] xa4a_: *что-что
[14:27:29] Stefan: http://dumpz.org/7636/
[14:28:07] Stefan: понял что можно через fields['region'].choices
[14:28:22] Stefan: но может как то по лучше можно
[14:28:24] Stefan: ?
[14:28:43] xa4a_: Subtype, Region, District у тебя же отдельными моделями?
[14:28:44] A2K is now online
[14:29:06] xa4a_: если нет - у тебя неправильная структура БД.
[14:29:14] xa4a_: !g 3NF
[14:29:22] slav0nic is now offline
[14:29:43] xa4a_: Если да - делай форму из них
[14:30:50] Stefan is now online
[14:30:55] Stefan: нет, вопрос зачем их делать в разных моделях, если это поля одной модели?
[14:31:12] Stefan: точней погоди
[14:31:23] A2K: ну точно пхпшник...
[14:31:34] Stefan: в разных моделях))
[14:32:23] Stefan: и блин все окей понял))
[14:32:28] Stefan: ступил
[14:32:33] Stefan: спс xa4a
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[14:35:48] PC is now Аська сцуко глючит. Мой Jabber/GTalk: pc@jabber.gafol.net
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[14:40:51] Stefan is now online
[14:41:29] Мозгошредер is now online
[14:41:57] bergamot: 8<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="ru-RU" xml:lang="ru-RU" >
[14:42:10] bergamot: из-за чего может впереди кака выскакивать?
[14:42:29] bergamot: восьмёрка и непонятный символ
[14:43:31] bergamot: причем только на /admin/
[14:43:44] bergamot: на остальных страницах админки нормально
[14:43:46] A2K is now online
[14:44:01] bergamot: и на дев-сервере нормально
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[14:46:35] Александp is now away
[14:47:56] bergamot: чудеса
[14:48:01] bergamot: само исправилось
[14:48:47] A2K is now online
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[14:56:23] Zernike is now Apache-shmapache
[14:56:43] xa4a_: mod_python?
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[15:03:48] A2K is now online
[15:05:55] Stefan is now online
[15:07:35] Portnov is now online
[15:07:53] Stefan: сейчас понял что район и область связаны логически и след. в базе тоже они должны быть связаны, можно ли в админке чтоб это отразилось? в зависимости от выбора области менялся бы выбор районов?
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[15:15:20] PC is now Аська сцуко глючит. Мой Jabber/GTalk: pc@jabber.gafol.net
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[15:17:39] xa4a_: теоретически да
[15:18:26] Stefan: а на практике ?)
[15:18:50] A2K is now online
[15:19:01] a1fred is now xa
[15:19:50] in.codee is now online
[15:20:57] Stefan is now online
[15:21:23] in.codee: привет всем. кто подскажет как можно работать с icq в питоне? (нужно только приконектиться и отослать логин и пароль). пишу чекер а не брут :)
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[15:23:49] Stefan: найди какую нить библиотеку для питона и вынешь оттуда авторизацию)) либо из клиента какого нить на питоне
[15:23:51] A2K is now online
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[15:24:54] in.codee: пробовал расковырять nanoicq ничего не получилось =/ ладно поищу еще))
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[15:35:38] xa4a_: in.codee: twisted.words
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[15:38:54] A2K: чем кроме pymedia можно mp3 играть?
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[15:48:05] bergamot: xa4a_, fapws + nginx в режиме прокси, проблема осталась:( еще не разбирался из-за чего, стили крутил
[15:48:43] bergamot: другие сайты точно так же на этом сервере запускаются, с ними всё нормально
[15:48:54] A2K is now online
[15:50:40] bergamot: опять грабли с юникодом?
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[15:53:40] A2K is now online
[15:54:28] A2K is now online
[15:54:36] in.codee is now online
[15:55:19] in.codee: xa4a_, без фреймворков над. щас ковыряю pyicq там на сокетах :)
[15:56:02] Stefan is now online
[15:56:17] in.codee: блин( кто знаетк ак идле можно через проксю запустить?
[15:56:24] in.codee: чет фрикап пробую не пашет
[15:59:26] A2K is now online
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[16:00:17] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[16:01:01] bergamot: запустил без нгинкса, та же гадость
[16:01:02] Stefan is now online
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[16:05:42] bergamot: Решилось так
#(r'^admin/', include(admin.site.urls)),
(r'^admin/(.*)', admin.site.root),
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[16:06:19] bergamot: заодно и с урлками на выход и смену пароля разобрался
[16:07:13] bergamot: нифига, теперь на другой странице та же дрянь
[16:08:14] bergamot: оказывается эта хрень решается ребутом фапа
[16:08:23] bergamot: но не на долго
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[17:03:25] _lorien: bergamot, 8 выскакивает?
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[17:09:32] bergamot: да
[17:10:18] bergamot: причем выскакивает где-то в 4 случаях из 5
[17:10:42] Stefan is now online
[17:10:43] Stefan is now online
[17:10:48] A2K is now online
[17:11:03] bergamot: и на странице приложения всегда всё нормально, а на оглавлении, страницах модели и редактировании 8
[17:11:09] Stefan is now online
[17:11:23] bergamot: пробовал без нгинкса - также
[17:11:44] bergamot: если запустить на том же порту сервак разработчика - всё нормально работает
[17:12:46] Stefan: на urls ругался?
[17:13:08] bergamot: ни на что не ругается
[17:13:26] Stefan: а в чем проблема?
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[17:14:59] bergamot: перед доктайпом вставляет восьмёрку и еще один символ
[17:15:27] bergamot: из-за этого немного плывёт дизайн, ну и не красиво, верхняя полоска не прилегает к окну браузера
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[17:17:26] wiz: bergamot, разбирайся с content-encoding: chunked или как-то так оно называется
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[17:18:34] bergamot: о ужас, похоже сделал
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[17:18:56] bergamot: какую только магию не пытался кастовать
[17:19:06] bergamot: помогло подключение миддлвари 'django.middleware.locale.LocaleMiddleware',
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[17:23:14] bergamot: а почему в топике нет ссылки на логи?
[17:23:57] bergamot: и а у пони в профиле ссылка битая
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[18:49:28] sevenov: bergamot, врешь."Логи: http://➡.ws/pu" - вот же, написано.
[18:50:55] bergamot: о_О
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[18:56:19] sevenov: ну да, гаджим такой
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[18:57:45] _lorien: http://➡.ws/pu - чо это за херь. сам не пойму )
[18:57:57] Stefan: и как оно работает?
[18:57:58] _lorien: типа у меня gajim и поэтому как-то не так оно показывается?
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[19:08:48] _lorien: да, понял
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[19:16:36] _lorien: Подскажите, как сказать по английски:
сделал ссылку на википедию в помощи про markdown, открывающейся в новом окне.
[19:17:24] Stefan: ? это точно на русском
[19:17:35] red-agent: _lorien, лол, ты на русском сначала скажи нормально
[19:17:36] _lorien: )
[19:17:37] A2K: подскажите, как сказать это на русском
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[19:17:59] _lorien: Да, вы правы, хуйня там )
[19:19:15] _lorien: А так:
Сейчас ссылка на wikipedia (в помощи про markdown) открывается в новом окне.
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[19:20:32] A2K: ну если дословно currently wikipedia link to markdown help opens in a new window
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[19:21:06] _lorien: Не, это вроде означает "Теперь ссылка на wikipedia открывает в новом окне"
[19:21:10] _lorien: Что-то там открывает
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[19:21:54] _lorien: по идее "is opened in new window" но тут чё-т мне тоже не нравится, не знаю почему
[19:22:18] A2K: нет
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[19:23:37] _lorien: A2K, тогда как будут два варианта на английском:
"Ссылка открывается в новом окне"
"Браузер открывает ссылку в новом окне"
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[19:24:41] A2K: link opens in a new window
browser opens the link in a new window
[19:25:09] _lorien: A2K, угу, вижу в google используют такой оборот. А я то думал, что для -ся формы надо что-то особенное
[19:25:36] A2K: ну.. вполне логично что если что-то не может делать это дейтсвие, то действие применяется к этому обьекту
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[19:26:28] _lorien: С точки зрения русского языка это не логично т.к. фраза "Ссылка отрывает в новом окне" означает, что ссылка откроывает что-то там, а не то, что что-то там открывает ссылку.
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[19:28:35] red-agent: наверное слегка глупо анализировать обороты английского языка с точки зрения русского...
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[21:15:38] A2K: как декодировать &#39; ?
[21:15:47] A2K: ну или &gt;
[21:15:51] A2K: т.е. html
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[21:16:49] xa4a_: !g python html entities decode
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[21:17:47] xa4a_: https://xa4a.org.ua/hg/hgwebdir.cgi/bot/file/cd233d0da320/processors/entities.py может
[21:18:54] mkfs: http://dumpz.org/7654/ как можно создать свои вложенные типы. что-то типа словаря с пользовательскими типами.
[21:19:33] xa4a_: 2all: а где бы можно было достать базу на пару тысяч постов/документов/etc с тегами?
[21:19:37] xa4a_: кроме как парсить хабр
[21:19:53] A2K: взломать какой-нибудь phpbb
[21:19:59] xa4a_: mkfs: Oo
[21:20:13] xa4a_: ООП, слышал?
[21:20:19] xa4a_: A2K: и что там?
[21:20:20] mkfs: а без классов?
[21:20:24] A2K: xa4a_: посты
[21:20:38] A2K: mkfs: в питоне всё классы
[21:20:48] xa4a_: A2K: есть инстансы ещё
[21:20:55] A2K: ну да)
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[21:21:09] xa4a_: mkfs: есть классы/инстансы, всё остальное - словари/списки
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[21:21:29] A2K: а словари/списки это разве не инстансы?
[21:21:35] xa4a_: в словарь какие хочешь типы можешь класть ,кстати
[21:21:55] xa4a_: A2K: это встроенные в язык контейнеры
[21:22:03] xa4a_: инстансы - для костылей
[21:22:11] xa4a_: в них подразумеваются
[21:22:19] xa4a_: *для гомоморфности
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[21:22:50] mkfs: дык через словарь мой пример можно представить?
[21:22:56] xa4a_: ну да
[21:23:21] xa4a_: Mydata = {'a': 5, 'b': {'a': 15}}
[21:23:35] xa4a_: ноэ
[21:23:38] mkfs: эх, ну вот такое я видел и в учебниках.
[21:23:43] xa4a_: "свои вложенные типы"
[21:23:55] xa4a_: это 1:1 то, для чего нужен ООП
[21:24:02] xa4a_: за неимением алгебраических типов
[21:24:04] xa4a_: как в хаскеле
[21:24:43] xa4a_: s/нужен/используется/
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[21:25:09] mkfs: я хочу создать свой тип, объявить его через дефайн какой-нить, а потом в словаре юзать.
[21:25:23] xa4a_: свой тип = свой класс
[21:25:34] mkfs: дык, разве это не переменная будет?
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[21:25:58] xa4a_: ты так говоришь, как-будто это что-то плохое
[21:26:03] xa4a_: в питоне классы - тоже переменные
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[21:26:08] xa4a_: и в тоже время объекты
[21:26:11] A2K: и типы тоже
[21:26:13] xa4a_: и инстансы
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[21:26:30] xa4a_: A2K: типы - не то
[21:26:40] xa4a_: метаклассы - уже ближе к типам
[21:26:47] mkfs: так, есть классы и объекты. вот я хочу сделать абстракцию. а Mydata = {'a': 5, 'b': {'a': 15}} - объект.
[21:26:55] A2K: если тип не класс, как можно от него наследоваться? :)
[21:27:05] xa4a_: A2K: читай мат. часть
[21:27:20] xa4a_: A2K: type(5)
[21:27:25] xa4a_: это не класс
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[21:27:43] A2K: ну хорошо :)
[21:27:46] xa4a_: mkfs: пример, что ты хочешь хранить
[21:28:29] xa4a_: а то "хочу сделать абстракцию" не достаточно убедительно
[21:28:42] mkfs: в примере будет конкретика. а я хочу свой абстрактный словарь, в котором будет инт и чар, для примера.
[21:28:53] xa4a_: ок
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[21:28:56] xa4a_: на словарь {}
[21:28:59] xa4a_: пользуйся
[21:29:05] xa4a_: можешь хранить в нём всё, что хочешь
[21:29:08] xa4a_: хоть инт, хоть чар
[21:29:21] xa4a_: может, ты, правда хочешь тюпл?
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[21:29:57] mkfs: есть код на Си. я его переписываю на питон. пример структуры я привел.
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[21:31:10] sevenov: mkfs,
>[10:29:51 PM] xa4a_: на словарь {}
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[21:31:52] red-agent: mkfs, ты хочешь не словарь.
[21:31:55] red-agent: ты хочешь класс.
[21:32:01] xa4a_: http://dumpz.org/7657/
[21:32:03] red-agent: читай что-ли про ООП,
[21:32:46] xa4a_: кстати, дословно переводить код с С в питон — плохая идея
[21:33:52] mkfs: ясно, сенк. пойду посмотрю на классы.
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[21:34:30] mkfs: ну, код перевожу не совсем дословно. но, если есть структура, то логично было бы воспользоваться словарем...
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[21:34:50] xa4a_: не очень
[21:34:52] xa4a_: хотя да
[21:35:00] xa4a_: пользуйся, чё..
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[21:35:21] mkfs: снова иронизируешь :)
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[22:07:52] mkfs: кстати, отсюда http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=522 и прочел что "словарь. Он наиболее близок к традтиционным структурам"
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[22:12:36] xa4a_: отличие в том, что словарь, в общем случае может содержать всё, что хочешь. Использование классов несколько регламентирует содержимое инстансов, как делают С-структутры
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[22:22:56] red-agent: mkfs, ты лучше бы почитал документацию по Python.
[22:23:00] red-agent: и какую-нить книгу по ООП
[22:23:45] mkfs: в процессе чтения. переписыванием я занялся для практики.
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