[00:00:00] vermus.jabber is now offline
[00:00:12] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[00:01:18] huge is now offline
[00:01:37] Муркт is now offline
[00:02:26] slav0nic is now offline
[00:02:45] slav0nic is now xa
[00:03:08] MaXG is now online
[00:04:55] A2K is now xa
[00:05:13] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[00:05:46] red-agent is now ^__^
[00:06:19] adanfermer is now online
[00:07:51] adanfermer is now offline
[00:09:23] slav0nic is now offline
[00:09:43] slav0nic is now xa
[00:09:57] A2K is now xa
[00:10:16] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[00:11:20] adanfermer is now online
[17:54:45] Optik is now online
[17:54:45] pit is now ?
[17:54:45] nmk is now online
[17:54:45] friseur is now von der arbeit der pferde sterben
[17:54:45] tonn is now online
[17:54:45] mishok13 is now online
[17:54:45] cheshirecat is now online
[17:54:45] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[17:54:45] poltergeist is now online
[17:54:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[17:54:45] delpass is now xa
[17:54:45] MAVr is now away
[17:54:45] A2K is now online
[17:54:45] gigimon is now online
[17:54:45] xa4a_ is now online
[17:54:45] _lorien is now online
[17:54:45] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[17:54:45] PC is now online
[17:54:45] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[17:54:45] Александp is now online
[17:54:45] bobry is now online
[17:54:45] slav0nic is now online
[17:54:45] zul_ is now xa
[17:54:45] GrimbleGromble is now online
[17:54:45] Portnov is now away
[17:54:45] huge is now online
[17:54:45] a1fred is now xa
[17:54:45] magic_pony is now online
[17:54:45] : mishok13 has set the subject to: Python.SU | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://itquest.ru/ | Ещё рано использовать py3k | Чтобы вам не говорили -- хорошая документация только на docs.python.org
[17:54:45] wiz is now online
[17:54:48] xa4a_: !g pip
[17:54:55] xa4a_: !g python pip
[17:55:02] xa4a_: !g python in php
[17:55:03] bobry is now offline
[17:55:05] xa4a_: о
[17:55:17] pit: xa4a_, PiP - Python in PHP: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/projects/pip/ - был
[17:55:38] xa4a_: его уже похоронили?
[17:55:51] xa4a_: а
[17:55:52] xa4a_: Python in PHP 0.6.0 - PEAR package (released November 5, 2002)
[17:56:01] tonn is now away
[17:56:27] _lorien: !python rip
[17:56:33] _lorien: !g python rip
[17:58:04] A2K is now online
[17:59:12] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[17:59:16] xa4a_: ыы http://www.wiispray.com/
[17:59:31] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[18:02:39] nmk is now offline
[18:03:05] A2K is now online
[18:04:12] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:05:00] _vovaz04h_ is now online
[18:05:23] cheshirecat is now offline
[18:05:40] PC is now away
[18:05:43] Portnov is now online
[18:08:05] A2K is now online
[18:08:31] friseur is now away
[18:09:02] poltergeist is now offline
[18:09:09] friseur is now von der arbeit der pferde sterben
[18:09:12] friseur is now offline
[18:09:13] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:09:32] PC is now online
[18:09:54] bobry is now online
[18:11:03] nuclear is now online
[18:11:18] tonn is now offline
[18:11:32] bobry is now offline
[18:11:40] bobry is now online
[18:13:06] A2K is now online
[18:14:13] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:14:23] GrimbleGromble is now away
[18:14:51] xa4a_ is now away
[18:15:06] red-agent is now away
[18:15:40] Portnov is now away
[18:15:54] sevenov is now online
[18:17:22] pit: а не парьтесь на пхп тоже решаемо
[18:17:34] pit: только у меня возникла другая проблема
[18:18:07] A2K is now online
[18:18:43] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[18:19:13] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:21:56] sevenov is now offline
[18:23:06] PC is now offline
[18:23:08] A2K is now online
[18:23:13] PC is now online
[18:24:13] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:24:23] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[18:26:01] _vovaz04h_ is now away
[18:26:30] pzskc383 is now away
[18:26:31] xa4a_ is now online
[18:26:42] PC is now offline
[18:26:49] PC is now online
[18:27:54] MaXG is now online
[18:28:08] bobry is now away
[18:28:08] A2K is now online
[18:28:32] PC is now offline
[18:28:39] PC is now online
[18:29:14] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:29:29] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[18:30:01] Effgen is now away
[18:30:51] _vovaz04h_ is now online
[18:31:16] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[18:31:17] huge is now away
[18:31:34] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:31:35] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:31:41] PC is now offline
[18:31:49] PC is now online
[18:31:59] PC is now offline
[18:32:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:32:26] PC is now online
[18:32:33] slav0nic is now offline
[18:33:08] A2K is now online
[18:33:11] PC is now offline
[18:33:29] PC is now online
[18:36:01] _vovaz04h_ is now away
[18:36:38] MaXGGXaM is now online
[18:36:40] cutwater is now online
[18:36:54] MaXGGXaM is now offline
[18:37:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:37:21] Большой Лис is now online
[18:38:08] A2K is now online
[18:38:08] bobry is now online
[18:38:25] huge is now online
[18:38:42] Александp is now away
[18:38:43] red-agent is now away
[18:38:47] MaXGGXaM is now online
[18:38:57] MaXG is now offline
[18:40:09] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[18:40:31] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[18:42:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:42:46] Effgen is now away
[18:42:55] xa4a_ is now away
[18:43:09] A2K is now online
[18:46:01] _vovaz04h_ is now xa
[18:47:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:48:03] Portnov is now online
[18:48:08] bobry is now away
[18:48:10] A2K is now online
[18:48:35] xa4a_ is now online
[18:48:42] Александp is now xa
[18:49:02] Александp is now online
[18:49:27] red-agent is now away
[18:50:04] fly-away is now online
[18:50:05] fly-away is now online
[18:50:05] fly-away is now Секта длинных тире alt+0151™
[18:51:17] xa4a_: О!
[18:51:23] xa4a_: я попал к себе в рсс 8)
[18:51:42] Optik is now away
[18:52:02] pzskc383 is now away
[18:52:07] _lorien: xa4a_, ловко ты
[18:52:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:53:18] A2K is now online
[18:55:03] Optik is now online
[18:55:13] Portnov is now away
[18:55:51] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[18:57:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[18:57:26] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[18:57:38] wiz is now away
[18:57:50] Oleg Leschinsky: >_>
[18:57:55] Oleg Leschinsky: <_<
[18:58:19] A2K is now online
[18:58:21] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[18:58:23] red-agent: ^_^
[18:58:42] Александp is now away
[18:59:38] nuclear is now offline
[19:00:16] wiz is now online
[19:00:51] Oleg Leschinsky: /me .oO ( red-agent мало того, что гентушник, так еще и C# )
[19:01:19] red-agent: /me знает толк в извращениях.
[19:02:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:02:38] pzskc383 is now away
[19:02:43] Александp is now online
[19:03:19] A2K is now online
[19:04:51] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[19:05:18] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[19:07:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:08:08] bobry is now online
[19:08:20] A2K is now online
[19:10:32] A2K is now away
[19:10:33] A2K is now away
[19:11:16] in.codee is now online
[19:12:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:12:31] in.codee: решил поковыряться в web.py. а куда делася web.reloader? мб его чем заменили в 0.3?
[19:13:20] A2K is now away
[19:14:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[19:14:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[19:14:50] Effgen is now away
[19:15:15] GrimbleGromble is now online
[19:15:22] _lorien: in.codee, читай документацию http://webpy.org/tutorial3.en
[19:16:30] in.codee: только от туда. не нашел что-то
[19:17:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[19:17:27] xa4a_ is now away
[19:17:28] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:17:29] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:18:08] bobry is now away
[19:18:21] A2K is now away
[19:19:35] huge is now offline
[19:20:25] GrimbleGromble is now away
[19:20:32] A2K is now online
[19:20:33] A2K is now online
[19:21:31] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[19:21:46] _lorien: читай последний абзац с заголовком "Developing"
[19:22:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:23:18] A2K is now online
[19:23:35] A2K is now offline
[19:24:04] in.codee: опа а оно включено по дефолту =/ ступил :) спс
[19:25:02] in.codee is now offline
[19:25:32] MaXGGXaM is now offline
[19:26:59] xa4a_ is now online
[19:27:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:28:26] red-agent is now away
[19:29:02] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[19:29:18] PC is now away
[19:30:25] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[19:30:51] Большой Лис is now away
[19:31:37] red-agent: Ластфм сделали платным.
[19:31:47] Optik is now offline
[19:32:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:32:42] PC is now online
[19:33:32] bbodio is now online
[19:33:36] xa4a_: действительно. ыэх :\
[19:33:47] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[19:35:16] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:35:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:35:57] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:36:12] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[19:36:24] fly-away is now offline
[19:37:01] Portnov is now online
[19:37:35] Александp is now offline
[19:38:08] bobry is now xa
[19:39:05] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:39:06] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:39:23] Большой Лис is now online
[19:39:40] gigimon is now offline
[19:39:44] Portnov is now offline
[19:39:48] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:40:01] gigimon is now online
[19:40:03] gigimon is now online
[19:43:17] Portnov is now online
[19:43:42] Александp is now online
[19:44:28] _lorien is now away
[19:44:44] Portnov is now online
[19:44:48] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:46:32] _lorien is now online
[19:46:48] Portnov is now away
[19:49:48] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:49:55] pzskc383 is now away
[19:51:44] PC is now away
[19:52:11] Portnov is now online
[19:52:56] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[19:53:09] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:53:10] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[19:57:55] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:02:56] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:03:36] MAVr is now offline
[20:04:14] red-agent is now away
[20:06:42] PC is now online
[20:07:06] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[20:07:46] Portnov is now away
[20:07:58] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:08:16] Effgen is now away
[20:08:35] Portnov is now online
[20:11:11] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[20:11:12] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[20:11:44] PC is now away
[20:12:10] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[20:12:11] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[20:12:15] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[20:12:16] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[20:12:58] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[20:13:38] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[20:13:55] Optik is now online
[20:14:06] GrimbleGromble is now online
[20:14:25] slav0nic is now online
[20:14:27] Portnov is now away
[20:15:09] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:15:10] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:15:28] Portnov is now online
[20:15:43] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[20:16:30] PC is now online
[20:16:33] mishok13 is now away
[20:16:53] slav0nic is now offline
[20:17:11] slav0nic is now online
[20:17:52] vermus.jabber is now offline
[20:17:58] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:18:00] Муркт is now online
[20:18:08] Муркт is now offline
[20:19:38] in.codee is now online
[20:19:42] cutwater is now offline
[20:19:51] cutwater is now online
[20:22:23] Александp: кто-нибудь использует django_authopenid?
[20:22:36] sviridov84 is now online
[20:22:37] sviridov84 is now online
[20:22:42] MaXGGXaM is now online
[20:22:51] MaXG is now online
[20:22:54] in.codee is now offline
[20:22:58] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:23:02] Александp: при попытке авторизироваться через гугл, показывает сообщение
Server denied check_authentication
[20:23:56] sviridov84 is now online
[20:24:54] Александp: или такая ошибка возникает только при использовании локально сервера?
[20:26:10] Portnov is now away
[20:26:33] mishok13 is now xa
[20:26:48] Oleg Leschinsky: Александp, кто consumer? кто сервер?
[20:27:59] Александp: consumer локальный хост дебагсервера 127.0.0.1 , сервер https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id
[20:27:59] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:28:57] sviridov84 is now online
[20:29:08] _lorien: Александp, я писал такую хрень http://hg.pydev.ru/django-auth-openid - Хрюндель говорил, удалось её даже поюзать на егоном пастбине с минимальными допиливаниями
[20:29:59] MaXG is now offline
[20:30:03] sviridov84 is now online
[20:30:57] bobry is now online
[20:30:59] xa4a_: /me нашёл некоторое средство от хавания постов гугл-ридером
[20:31:04] red-agent is now away
[20:31:21] xa4a_: посты просматривать, начиная с самых старых
[20:31:27] Александp: _lorien, я видел
[20:31:29] _lorien: что за хавание?
[20:32:20] slav0nic is now offline
[20:32:33] slav0nic is now online
[20:32:41] _lorien: http://filmfeed.ru/register/ - о, оно уже в production
[20:32:51] bbodio is now offline
[20:32:52] _lorien: django-auth-openid в смысле )
[20:33:01] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:33:12] bobry is now offline
[20:33:14] bobry is now online
[20:33:27] xa4a_: _lorien: ну.. он старые непрочитанные посты хавает
[20:33:57] sviridov84 is now online
[20:34:15] PC is now away
[20:36:24] PC is now online
[20:36:53] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[20:37:50] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[20:38:02] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:38:58] sviridov84 is now online
[20:41:59] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[20:43:02] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:43:11] Portnov is now online
[20:43:31] Optik is now away
[20:43:59] sviridov84 is now online
[20:44:02] Большой Лис is now offline
[20:44:26] Большой Лис is now online
[20:45:21] inlanger is now Самое безпомощное существо в мире - программист на огороде...
[20:45:22] inlanger is now Самое безпомощное существо в мире - программист на огороде...
[20:47:43] slav0nic is now offline
[20:48:01] slav0nic is now online
[20:48:02] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:48:43] inlanger is now offline
[20:48:59] sviridov84 is now online
[20:49:24] slav0nic is now away
[20:49:26] fly-away is now online
[20:49:27] fly-away is now Секта длинных тире alt+0151™
[20:50:01] inlanger is now Самое безпомощное существо в мире - программист на огороде...
[20:50:05] inlanger: ping
[20:50:47] GrimbleGromble is now away
[20:50:49] inlanger: привет, как получить инфу о компе (windows), такую как версию ОС, ip и т.д. ?
[20:51:27] xa4a_: пароль админа?
[20:51:34] mishok13 is now online
[20:51:39] inlanger: нет, пароль админа мне не нужен )
[20:53:03] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:53:15] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[20:53:16] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[20:54:00] sviridov84 is now online
[20:54:42] _lorien: Версия ОС? Нажми WIN + Break
[20:54:56] _lorien: Шобы ip узнать выполни в консоли команду ipconfig
[20:55:05] inlanger: мне нужно python скриптом
[20:55:12] _lorien: )
[20:55:16] slav0nic is now online
[20:55:37] GrimbleGromble is now online
[20:56:01] Stefan is now online
[20:56:02] Stefan is now online
[20:56:09] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:56:10] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:56:31] Stefan: а кто какой веб-сервер использует под джанго?
[20:56:32] Portnov is now away
[20:56:34] mishok13 is now away
[20:57:06] Большой Лис is now offline
[20:57:16] xa4a_: inlanger: ну можно winapi
[20:57:21] xa4a_: никто его не отменял ведь
[20:57:22] Большой Лис is now online
[20:57:23] _lorien: inlanger, запрос в google "python find windows version" - четвёртый результат. Подозреваю, так же легко гуглится всё остальное.
[20:57:41] Stefan is now online
[20:57:43] _lorien: Stefan, nginx, lighttpd, apache :-)
[20:57:50] Stefan: это понятно
[20:57:56] Stefan: что быстрее
[20:58:00] Stefan: будет работать?
[20:58:03] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[20:58:25] Stefan: разработчики джанго я так понял советуют апач+mod_python
[20:58:43] xa4a_: ненене
[20:58:53] xa4a_: фкуй mod_pytho
[20:58:54] xa4a_: n
[20:59:00] sviridov84 is now online
[20:59:03] PC is now offline
[20:59:07] xa4a_: если апач, то только mod_wsgi
[20:59:48] slav0nic is now offline
[20:59:59] slav0nic is now online
[21:00:17] slav0nic is now away
[21:00:36] Stefan: но как же? документация
[21:00:37] GrimbleGromble is now away
[21:00:45] slav0nic is now offline
[21:00:49] _lorien: А вроде ж говорили, что в документации уже mod_wsgi советуют
[21:01:03] slav0nic is now away
[21:01:32] xa4a_: !g installing apache module site:djangoproject.com
[21:01:41] slav0nic is now offline
[21:01:45] slav0nic is now away
[21:01:46] xa4a_: !urlgrep http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/modpython/ wsgi
[21:02:34] inlanger is now offline
[21:02:37] slav0nic is now offline
[21:02:42] Stefan is now online
[21:02:51] slav0nic is now away
[21:02:53] xa4a_: !urlgrep wsgi http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/modpython/
[21:03:05] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[21:03:19] _lorien: !urlgrep google http://google.com
[21:03:22] xa4a_: !grep wsgi http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/deployment/modpython/
[21:04:01] sviridov84 is now online
[21:04:11] Stefan: ага вижу рекомендовано
[21:04:18] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[21:04:19] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[21:04:22] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[21:04:25] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[21:04:26] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[21:04:29] slav0nic is now offline
[21:04:44] slav0nic is now away
[21:04:48] Stefan: надо попробывать поставить
[21:05:34] Effgen is now away
[21:05:57] GrimbleGromble is now online
[21:06:01] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[21:06:09] Gerrch is now away
[21:06:23] sviridov84 is now away
[21:06:24] sviridov84 is now away
[21:06:34] mishok13 is now xa
[21:06:47] Gerrch is now offline
[21:07:43] Stefan is now online
[21:08:06] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[21:08:48] Александp is now offline
[21:09:01] sviridov84 is now away
[21:09:03] Александp is now online
[21:09:09] Александp is now online
[21:09:51] vermus.jabber is now offline
[21:10:18] slav0nic is now xa
[21:10:34] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[21:11:23] sviridov84 is now online
[21:11:24] sviridov84 is now online
[21:11:56] slav0nic is now offline
[21:12:31] slav0nic is now xa
[21:12:43] Stefan is now online
[21:13:06] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[21:13:09] slav0nic is now online
[21:13:49] slav0nic is now offline
[21:14:00] slav0nic is now online
[21:14:02] sviridov84 is now online
[21:14:45] slav0nic is now offline
[21:14:58] slav0nic is now online
[21:15:40] slav0nic is now offline
[21:15:55] slav0nic is now online
[21:16:37] slav0nic is now offline
[21:16:48] slav0nic is now online
[21:17:03] kermit is now away
[21:17:44] Stefan is now online
[21:18:08] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[21:18:38] slav0nic is now away
[21:19:02] sviridov84 is now online
[21:21:26] tonn is now online
[21:22:02] tonn: эээ... как лист перегнать в строку с заданым разделителем? вроде видел чтото стандартное только найти не могу =(
[21:22:33] kermit: .join(lst, 'sep')
[21:22:45] Stefan is now online
[21:23:00] sviridov84 is now away
[21:23:01] sviridov84 is now away
[21:23:08] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[21:23:20] xa4a_: э
[21:23:25] xa4a_: 'sep'.join(lst)
[21:23:28] _lorien: 'sep'.join(lst)
[21:24:03] sviridov84 is now away
[21:24:27] kermit: сори
[21:24:28] kermit: =)
[21:24:46] tonn: ух... жесткая конструкция.... а ченить более прозрачного нету?
[21:25:09] xa4a_: string.join
[21:25:15] xa4a_: но оно не более прозрачно
[21:25:38] xa4a_: 'sep'.join() стандартный метод решения задачи
[21:25:46] xa4a_: There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
[21:25:49] xa4a_: это он и есть
[21:25:59] a1fred is now xa
[21:26:09] tonn: ясно... спасиб
[21:26:53] boodooda is now online
[21:27:04] boodooda is now offline
[21:27:43] _lorien: >>> lst = ['a', 'b', 'c']
>>> reduce(lambda a, b: a + ':' + b, lst)
'a:b:c'
:-)
[21:27:45] Stefan is now online
[21:28:00] sviridov84 is now online
[21:28:01] sviridov84 is now online
[21:28:08] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[21:28:38] slav0nic is now xa
[21:28:47] tonn: конкатенация строк кажись долгая очень... через .join он ведь какиминибудь своими внутреними методами делает?
[21:29:03] sviridov84 is now online
[21:29:12] xa4a_: tonn: на С должно быть
[21:29:18] GrimbleGromble is now away
[21:29:30] red-agent: конкатенция строк в питоне как раз быстрая.
[21:29:35] red-agent: *а
[21:29:43] red-agent: в отличии от других языков.
[21:29:53] red-agent: где приходится юзать всякие StringBuilder.
[21:29:59] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[21:29:59] Svoloch is now offline
[21:29:59] Portnov is now offline
[21:30:00] xa4a_: но медленная по сравнению с джойном, думаю
[21:31:58] GrimbleGromble is now online
[21:31:58] Portnov is now away
[21:32:05] Portnov is now away
[21:32:13] red-agent: нет =)
[21:32:30] tonn: мне казалось что string и unicode в питоне тоже не изменяемые... и все конкатенации происходят созданием новых строк.... я не прав?
[21:32:32] Portnov is now away
[21:32:46] Stefan is now online
[21:32:50] red-agent: прав.
[21:32:56] xa4a_: red-agent: а если стопицот конкатенаций и джой стопицота элементов списка?
[21:33:02] xa4a_: джойн
[21:33:08] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[21:33:50] red-agent:
In [3]: %timeit 'a' + ':' + 'b' + ':' + 'c'
10000000 loops, best of 3: 67.5 ns per loop

In [4]: %timeit ':'.join(('a', 'b', 'c'))
1000000 loops, best of 3: 818 ns per loop
[21:34:04] sviridov84 is now online
[21:34:15] red-agent: тут правда ушло время на создание tuple
[21:34:15] tonn: ггг...
[21:34:51] Portnov is now online
[21:35:06] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[21:36:11] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[21:36:15] delpass is now online
[21:36:19] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[21:37:17] xa4a_: о. откопал в старых рссах http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/03/oracle-doesnt-need-red-hat-it.html
[21:37:26] xa4a_: оракл посматривало на пшп
[21:37:33] _lorien: In [12]: %timeit 'a' + 'b' + str(time.time())
100000 loops, best of 3: 10.2 µs per loop

In [13]: %timeit ''.join(('a', 'b', str(time.time())))
100000 loops, best of 3: 11.5 µs per loop
[21:37:46] Stefan is now online
[21:38:03] xa4a_: _lorien: %timeit 'a' + urllib2.urlopen('http://www.google.com')
[21:38:22] _lorien: а, хотя да, собсно 10 сек на str(time..) и получается, как у агента большой разброс
[21:38:25] xa4a_: .read()
[21:38:40] red-agent: http://dumpz.org/7748/
[21:38:54] xa4a_: так вот насчёт ссылки. а что будет, если оракл вдруг купит пшп?
[21:39:04] sviridov84 is now online
[21:39:18] red-agent: смотреть строки 80-92
[21:39:19] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[21:39:46] Portnov is now away
[21:39:48] sviridov84 is now away
[21:39:49] sviridov84 is now away
[21:41:11] bobry is now away
[21:41:21] Effgen is now away
[21:41:28] Portnov is now online
[21:41:41] mkfs is now online
[21:42:26] Portnov is now offline
[21:42:47] Stefan is now online
[21:43:36] slav0nic is now online
[21:44:04] sviridov84 is now away
[21:44:18] GrimbleGromble is now away
[21:44:48] sviridov84 is now online
[21:44:49] sviridov84 is now online
[21:45:10] slav0nic is now offline
[21:45:35] slav0nic is now online
[21:47:47] Stefan is now online
[21:48:37] slav0nic is now away
[21:48:56] cutwater is now away
[21:49:05] sviridov84 is now online
[21:50:48] pit is now away
[21:50:58] delpass is now away
[21:51:11] bobry is now online
[21:51:35] mishok13 is now online
[21:52:30] delpass is now online
[21:52:48] Stefan is now online
[21:54:05] sviridov84 is now online
[21:54:18] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[21:55:44] sviridov84 is now away
[21:55:45] sviridov84 is now away
[21:56:09] Мозгошредер is now away
[21:56:19] Effgen is now xa
[21:56:36] mishok13 is now away
[21:57:49] Stefan is now online
[21:58:11] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[21:58:37] slav0nic is now xa
[21:58:56] cutwater is now xa
[21:59:05] sviridov84 is now away
[21:59:09] xa4a_: http://users.cybercity.dk/~dsl522332/math/cpap.htm#k3 что тут решётки означают?
[21:59:51] Большой Лис: какие решётки?
[21:59:58] Большой Лис: а, виж
[21:59:59] Большой Лис: у
[22:00:44] sviridov84 is now online
[22:00:45] sviridov84 is now online
[22:01:11] bobry is now away
[22:02:08] Effgen is now away
[22:02:50] Stefan is now online
[22:02:58] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:02:59] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:04:06] sviridov84 is now online
[22:04:21] Optik is now online
[22:05:32] Большой Лис is now away
[22:06:36] mishok13 is now xa
[22:07:10] Александp: в MEDIA_ROOT абсолютный путь к директории
в filename относительный путь /css/main.css
os.path.join(settings.MEDIA_ROOT, filename)
возвращает относительный путь
почему?
[22:07:33] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:07:51] Stefan is now online
[22:08:06] sviridov84 is now away
[22:08:07] sviridov84 is now away
[22:09:07] sviridov84 is now away
[22:10:35] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[22:10:48] pit is now xa
[22:10:55] xa4a_: print(settings.MEDIA_ROOT, filename,os.path.join(settings.MEDIA_ROOT, filename))
[22:11:32] mkfs is now away
[22:11:33] sviridov84 is now away
[22:11:34] sviridov84 is now online
[22:11:59] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:12:00] Александp: ('/var/github/project/media', u'/css/main.css', u'/css/main.css')

[22:12:01] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:12:34] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:12:44] mkfs is now online
[22:12:51] Stefan is now online
[22:13:38] Мозгошредер is now offline
[22:13:56] Мозгошредер is now away
[22:13:59] pzskc383 is now away
[22:14:07] sviridov84 is now online
[22:14:43] Большой Лис is now online
[22:15:41] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[22:16:59] Stefan: как contrib.comments к объекту прикручиваются?
[22:17:36] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:17:53] Stefan is now online
[22:18:40] xa4a_: Александp: в начале слеш убрать
[22:18:58] xa4a_: т.к. по определению если путь начинается со слеша, то он абсолютный
[22:19:08] sviridov84 is now online
[22:19:19] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:19:44] Александp: хм, точно
[22:20:36] cutwater is now online
[22:21:06] sviridov84 is now offline
[22:21:11] bobry is now online
[22:22:37] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:22:54] Stefan is now online
[22:23:58] delpass is now away
[22:24:19] GrimbleGromble is now away
[22:25:33] fly-away is now offline
[22:26:01] _lorien: Stefan, изолентой
[22:26:07] kermit is now offline
[22:26:27] slav0nic is now online
[22:26:30] Stefan: юмористы)) ладно лень было было искать))
[22:26:46] wiz is now away
[22:27:02] _lorien: У меня подозрение, что всё в документации описано (я уже молчу про код). Я просто никогда contrib.comments не юзал )
[22:27:06] delpass is now online
[22:27:39] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:27:55] Stefan is now online
[22:28:08] Мозгошредер is now offline
[22:28:08] Александp: comment/objectType/ObjectID/ ?
[22:28:23] Stefan: ну пару раз пробывал разбираться, так и не понял
[22:28:41] Stefan: угу исходники почитать
[22:28:54] slav0nic: что не понял? в доках всё есть
[22:28:58] slav0nic: и как форму выводить и тп
[22:29:10] Typhon is now online
[22:29:38] Александp: Stefan, http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/comments/#ref-contrib-comments-index
[22:29:43] _lorien: Stefan, читай про GenericForeignKey
[22:30:32] mkfs is now away
[22:31:04] Stefan: это где? в моделях?
[22:32:20] xa4a_: !g genericforeignkey
[22:32:40] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:32:44] Stefan: сп
[22:32:57] Stefan is now online
[22:33:12] wiz is now online
[22:33:36] kermit is now away
[22:34:19] GrimbleGromble is now xa
[22:36:11] Александp is now offline
[22:36:12] Александp is now online
[22:36:17] Александp is now online
[22:36:32] Stefan: но можно же и через ForeignKey?
[22:37:24] Александp: нельзя
[22:37:40] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:37:57] Stefan is now online
[22:37:59] Optik is now offline
[22:38:04] Александp: целяются к объекту идентификатор типа оьъекта и сам id объекта
[22:38:14] red-agent is now away
[22:38:15] wiz is now away
[22:38:22] Zernike is now xa
[22:38:26] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[22:39:17] mkfs is now online
[22:39:53] Stefan: http://intensedebate.com/ вот это интересная вещь
[22:41:25] Svoloch is now offline
[22:41:31] Optik is now online
[22:42:41] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:42:58] Stefan is now online
[22:43:02] Optik is now offline
[22:43:11] Optik is now online
[22:43:19] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:43:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:43:57] wiz is now online
[22:44:08] Optik is now offline
[22:44:18] Optik is now online
[22:44:19] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:45:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:45:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:46:23] Svoloch is now I'm not here right now
[22:46:35] Svoloch is now offline
[22:46:35] Optik is now offline
[22:46:45] Optik is now online
[22:46:47] slav0nic is now offline
[22:46:59] slav0nic is now online
[22:47:01] Optik is now offline
[22:47:05] Stefan is now offline
[22:47:07] Zernike is now offline
[22:47:37] Optik is now online
[22:47:42] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[22:48:54] tonn is now offline
[22:48:57] wiz is now away
[22:49:39] GrimbleGromble is now away
[22:50:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:50:46] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:52:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:54:51] Effgen is now away
[22:55:10] GrimbleGromble is now online
[22:55:49] delpass is now away
[22:57:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[22:57:53] delpass is now online
[22:58:12] red-agent is now away
[22:58:57] wiz is now xa
[23:00:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:00:46] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:01:11] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[23:01:43] slav0nic is now offline
[23:02:01] slav0nic is now online
[23:02:05] slav0nic is now offline
[23:02:15] slav0nic is now online
[23:02:22] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[23:02:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:04:08] _lorien: ни у кого нет работающего инсталлятора, iso или чего-нить, шобы на раз-два starcraft под linux азпустить?
[23:04:29] red-agent: конечно есть. говно вопрос.
[23:04:42] red-agent: тут же все только и делают, что в старкрафт шпиляют днями
[23:04:52] Optik is now offline
[23:04:56] red-agent: под linux...
[23:05:39] mkfs is now away
[23:05:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[23:05:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[23:06:11] _lorien: тут только и делают, что пиздят, а я хочу чем-то полезным заняться
[23:07:13] Optik is now online
[23:07:46] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[23:08:43] kermit is now offline
[23:08:44] Typhon is now away
[23:08:52] Typhon is now online
[23:09:35] kermit is now away
[23:09:38] Большой Лис: /me читает про программирование avr микроконтроллеров на С
[23:09:44] xa4a_: _lorien: http://xa4a.org.ua/Downloader_StarCraft_Combo_enGB.exe
[23:09:45] Большой Лис: жесть какая то
[23:10:08] delpass is now away
[23:10:09] _lorien: а я уже какой-то торрент начал качать: там старик + брудвар + кряк )
[23:10:17] _lorien: xa4a_, у тебя там примерно то же?
[23:10:23] xa4a_: это даунлоадер
[23:10:27] xa4a_: с близзарда качает
[23:10:31] xa4a_: пару гигов
[23:10:39] xa4a_: со всеми роликами и прпр
[23:10:44] xa4a_: брудвар
[23:10:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:10:46] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:10:52] bobry is now xa
[23:10:58] _lorien: ок, если торрент не получится, попробую твою штуку, спасибо
[23:11:24] _lorien: я сегодня видел видео битвы starcraft2 - ничо так мило, - правда я в игре не разбираюсь )
[23:11:27] delpass is now online
[23:11:44] xa4a_: _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/games/45521/
[23:11:49] xa4a_: моё отсюда
[23:12:00] xa4a_: в коментах есть линки на онлайнкейгены
[23:12:46] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:17:47] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:20:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:20:46] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:22:47] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:25:39] mkfs is now xa
[23:27:05] pzskc383: это самое.
[23:27:16] pzskc383: с js кто может помочь чуток?
[23:27:20] mkfs is now online
[23:27:47] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:27:57] pzskc383 is now away
[23:28:05] Большой Лис: топег поможет задать таки вопрос
[23:28:25] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[23:28:30] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:28:45] pzskc383: как бы не по теме канала, вот и спрашиваю.
[23:28:54] pzskc383: и меня тут чуток озарило, может помощь и не нужна.
[23:29:28] _lorien: pzskc383, а почему именно на pythonua? )
[23:29:40] xa4a_: это лучи помощи с pythonua озарили
[23:30:11] mkfs is now offline
[23:30:13] pzskc383: другие открытые конференции еще менее тематические
[23:30:26] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[23:30:27] pzskc383: а тут веб-разработчики есть.
[23:31:02] slav0nic is now offline
[23:31:19] slav0nic is now online
[23:31:34] pzskc383: да. все помощь не нужна )
[23:31:51] pzskc383: и я наконец-то понял как работают замыкания.
[23:31:58] slav0nic is now offline
[23:32:10] slav0nic is now online
[23:32:27] pzskc383 is now away
[23:32:54] slav0nic is now offline
[23:33:13] slav0nic is now online
[23:33:30] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:33:48] Typhon is now away
[23:34:49] slav0nic is now offline
[23:34:50] slav0nic is now online
[23:35:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[23:35:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[23:35:45] slav0nic is now offline
[23:35:46] slav0nic is now online
[23:36:21] pzskc383 is now онлайн
[23:36:55] slav0nic is now offline
[23:37:30] slav0nic is now online
[23:38:13] Typhon is now online
[23:38:30] slav0nic is now offline
[23:38:31] GrimbleGromble is now away
[23:38:46] slav0nic is now online
[23:38:52] Effgen is now offline
[23:39:26] slav0nic is now offline
[23:39:42] slav0nic is now online
[23:40:01] GrimbleGromble is now online
[23:40:05] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[23:40:06] Большой Лис: /me потыкал палочкой slav0nic
[23:40:29] slav0nic: фак
[23:40:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:40:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:41:17] slav0nic is now offline
[23:41:52] slav0nic is now online
[23:42:05] Большой Лис is now offline
[23:43:44] red-agent is now away
[23:44:02] red-agent is now Отличный, прекрасный день для массовых убийств!
[23:45:05] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:47:00] sevenov is now online
[23:50:05] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[23:50:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:50:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:51:43] _lorien: http://community.livejournal.com/fake_explosm/74519.html
[23:53:34] pzskc383 is now offline
[23:54:48] slav0nic is now offline
[23:55:06] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[23:55:24] slav0nic is now online
[23:58:42] slav0nic is now away