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[10:18:36] : mishok13 has set the subject to: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://itquest.ru/ | Ещё рано использовать py3k
[10:18:46] Oleg Leschinsky: Я уже старый человек, у меня мало слюней и спорить с людьми, путающими сильную/слабую типизацию со статической/динамической у меня возможности нету.
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[15:32:07] red-agent is now - Доктор, в приемной человек с бейсбольной битой. Он уверяет, что он -
агент ФБР, и его сестру похитили инопланетяне!
- К психиатру.
- Доктор, в травматологию поступают зверски избитые инопланетяне. Они
согласны вернуть чью-то сестру...
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[15:40:59] red-agent is now - Доктор, в приемной человек с бейсбольной битой. Он уверяет, что он -
агент ФБР, и его сестру похитили инопланетяне!
- К психиатру.
- Доктор, в травматологию поступают зверски избитые инопланетяне. Они
согласны вернуть чью-то сестру...
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[15:57:55] red-agent is now - Доктор, в приемной человек с бейсбольной битой. Он уверяет, что он -
агент ФБР, и его сестру похитили инопланетяне!
- К психиатру.
- Доктор, в травматологию поступают зверски избитые инопланетяне. Они
согласны вернуть чью-то сестру...
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[16:11:17] xa4a_: резонно юзать IronPython чтобы гуй рисоваь визуал студией?
[16:11:50] red-agent: гуй рисует винформами. Причем тут вижуалстудия?
[16:13:09] xa4a_: я один раз только "писал" чё-то в ней на шарпе, что представляло из себя формочкус crud-ом БД
[16:13:29] xa4a_: соотношение времени на ифейс/код заметно приятнее, чем морду на питоне писать
[16:13:33] xa4a_: *на qt
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[16:14:12] Typhon: http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio вот эта штука падала каждые пять минут, когда пробовал
[16:14:12] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[16:14:38] red-agent: xa4a_, winforms тебе в жизни не даст такой гибкости как qt/gtk
[16:14:45] red-agent: к тому же у него быдло-апи.
[16:14:51] red-agent: и никакой кросс-платформенности.
[16:15:42] xa4a_: мне гибкости особой не надо. действительно простейшая форма с гридом и несколькимя инпутами/конпочками. лаба ведь.
[16:16:01] red-agent: ну так на pygtk пишы.
[16:16:04] Effgen is now xa
[16:16:26] xa4a_: какие у него "+" по сравнению с pyqt?
[16:16:39] xa4a_: если с моделями/вью уже, похоже, разобрался
[16:17:58] MaXGGXaM is now away
[16:18:11] xa4a_: .оО(хочется натягать инпутов мышкой, дабл-кликнуть на кнопке в дизайнере и вписать в код три строки заполнения грида)
[16:18:17] red-agent: исключительно дело фломастеровю
[16:18:29] xa4a_: ок. спасибо
[16:18:40] A2K is now xa
[16:18:53] red-agent: тогда С++ и QtCreator - твои лучшие быдло-кенты :D
[16:19:04] cutwater: :-D мда
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[16:19:41] xa4a_: похоже
[16:20:03] xa4a_: э. нет. /me слишком ленив, чтобы писать алгоритм на ++
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[16:20:50] jedgar: когда-то для этого был вижуалбейсик 6.0
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[17:06:25] sevenov: http://i041.radikal.ru/0904/1b/bf380d2d8583.png
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[17:07:23] red-agent: бляяя, ну ты и наркоман.
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[17:08:12] Oleg Leschinsky: sevenov, это что?
[17:08:19] zulorflare: гитара хорошая, да
[17:08:52] sevenov: Oleg Leschinsky, это то, после чего нужно мыть руки. Тут можно подрчть на ibanez )
[17:09:15] Муркт is now offline
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[17:09:16] Oleg Leschinsky: /me ничего не понял
[17:09:17] sevenov: red-agent, я же не говорил, что это мое )
[17:09:28] red-agent: Oleg Leschinsky, гитары такие =)
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[17:09:40] sevenov: Oleg Leschinsky, ibanez - гитарка у нее в рух
[17:09:44] sevenov: *руках
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[17:10:53] red-agent is now - Доктор, в приемной человек с бейсбольной битой. Он уверяет, что он -
агент ФБР, и его сестру похитили инопланетяне!
- К психиатру.
- Доктор, в травматологию поступают зверски избитые инопланетяне. Они
согласны вернуть чью-то сестру...
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[17:28:41] _lorien: а сколько на этом конкурсе макс человек может быть?
[17:28:57] _lorien: на djangodash.com, в команде
[17:29:49] sevenov: _lorien, а там же вроде написано, что 3. Не?
[17:30:12] _lorien: там вроде три было написано, что, мол, ты можешь в трёх командах учавствовать
[17:30:42] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[17:30:55] sevenov: ай, не помню )
[17:31:07] piranha: а какой смысл?
[17:31:13] sevenov: но вообще, не логично ограничивать
[17:31:15] A2K is now xa
[17:31:17] sevenov: в онлайне же
[17:31:19] piranha: # Max Team Of 3
[17:31:22] piranha: по-моему, очевидно
[17:31:29] piranha: максимум - 3 человека в команде
[17:32:24] slav0nic is now offline
[17:32:28] piranha: хм
[17:32:42] piranha: а объясняют - максимум 3 команды на человека
[17:32:45] piranha: дибилы
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[17:39:05] red-agent is now - Доктор, в приемной человек с бейсбольной битой. Он уверяет, что он -
агент ФБР, и его сестру похитили инопланетяне!
- К психиатру.
- Доктор, в травматологию поступают зверски избитые инопланетяне. Они
согласны вернуть чью-то сестру...
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[17:45:41] red-agent is now - Доктор, в приемной человек с бейсбольной битой. Он уверяет, что он -
агент ФБР, и его сестру похитили инопланетяне!
- К психиатру.
- Доктор, в травматологию поступают зверски избитые инопланетяне. Они
согласны вернуть чью-то сестру...
[17:45:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[18:02:17] _lorien: http://code.google.com/p/django-simple-captcha/issues/detail?id=2
не прошло и пол года :-)
[18:04:55] gigimon is now online
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[18:06:16] mishok13: """Does anybody here? :-)"""
[18:06:17] A2K is now away
[18:06:25] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[18:07:11] _lorien: Чо, неправильно? )
[18:09:33] mishok13: как бы тебе сказать...
[18:09:49] red-agent: Is anybody here?
[18:10:07] red-agent: "I thing"
[18:10:11] red-agent: ггг
[18:10:24] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[18:10:32] red-agent: _lorien, ты "вещь"уешь?
[18:10:45] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[18:10:54] A2K is now online
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[18:11:18] MAVr is now Да, я тут
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[18:14:52] cutwater: объявление: отдам Стаса в хорошие руки.
[18:15:24] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[18:15:29] gigimon: скажите, а если несколько джанго сайтов на 1 хостинге, сайты друг с другом не связаны никак. Надо менять SITE_ID?
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[18:15:49] _lorien: нет
[18:15:55] Большой Лис is now xa
[18:16:17] A2K is now online
[18:16:43] _lorien: http://kolotibablo.com/ - колоти бабло!
[18:17:01] gigimon: ы
[18:17:25] cutwater: :-D
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[18:19:29] red-agent is now - Доктор, в приемной человек с бейсбольной битой. Он уверяет, что он -
агент ФБР, и его сестру похитили инопланетяне!
- К психиатру.
- Доктор, в травматологию поступают зверски избитые инопланетяне. Они
согласны вернуть чью-то сестру...
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[18:35:14] Большой Лис: piranha, а что такое launchd?
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[18:35:57] piranha: http://developer.apple.com/MacOsX/launchd.html
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[18:47:30] red-agent: http://dumpz.org/7920/
[18:47:44] red-agent: пиздец, они еще и биндинги к Lua сунули в MD.
[18:48:27] piranha: MD?
[18:48:37] red-agent: MonoDevelop.
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[20:22:37] Disаbler: hiall. подскажите, через "except Exception, <var>:" я могу отловить название исключения, а как определить причину, т.е. как в какую нибудь переменную получить то, что показывает raise?
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[20:25:09] bbodio: в var и будет то, что было raised
[20:25:11] Большой Лис: Disаbler,
>>> try:
... raise Exception('blabla')
... except Exception, e:
... e
...
Exception('blabla',)
>>> e
Exception('blabla',)
>>> e.message
'blabla'
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[20:25:59] Disаbler: я получаю "local variable 'msg' referenced before assignment", а надо ещё и:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "xxx.py", line 654, in <module> и т.д.
[20:26:17] Большой Лис: это совсем из другой песни :)
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[20:26:29] bbodio: это необработаное исключение.
[20:27:05] Большой Лис: Disаbler, это import traceback ковыряй
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[20:27:15] Большой Лис: всё там
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[20:27:24] Disаbler: вот мне для логов это и надо. чтоб в случае ошибки - писался лог с полной инфой о ней не завершая самой проги.
[20:27:33] Typhon: sys.exc_info
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[20:29:57] =av=: а не проще тогда logging настроить - там всё будет в .exception()
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[20:31:18] Disаbler: =av=: хз. просто у меня логи самопальные.
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[20:32:25] jedgar: хочется тип данных как словарь, но с одним ключом, чтобы писать btn.key(), а не btn.keys()[0]
[20:32:29] =av=: там 3-5 строк инициализации и юзай на зноровье с форматом лога и уровнями... Плюс запись в файлы/syslog/etc...
[20:32:34] jedgar: чего делать?
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[20:32:41] xa4a_: jedgar: O.o
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[20:33:12] xa4a_: чего-чего?
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[20:33:44] Большой Лис: расскажите ему про {}
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[20:33:46] Большой Лис: :D
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[20:34:03] Disаbler: =av=: ткни в ман, если есть.
[20:34:16] jedgar: в {} можно сделать больше одного ключа
[20:34:17] Большой Лис: Disаbler, docs.python.org
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[20:34:42] Disаbler: Большой Лис: tnx.
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[20:34:56] jedgar: вопрос тупой, но а вдруг...
[20:34:58] Disаbler: спасибо всем за помощь.
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[20:35:06] cutwater: больше одного ключа???
[20:35:11] cutwater: вопрос не понял.
[20:35:21] jedgar: {key:val}
[20:35:28] cutwater: в смысле {'a': 1, 'b': 2}
[20:35:34] cutwater: ггг
[20:36:14] xa4a_: обычно red-agentв таких ситуациях точнее всего выражается
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[20:36:22] bbodio: xD
[20:36:25] cutwater: :D
[20:36:35] Typhon: дайте Oleg Leschinsky модераторские кнопки
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[20:37:27] jedgar: да, чето red-agent спит, аэ странно
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[20:38:10] jedgar: нет, дайте ему красную кнопку
[20:38:12] cutwater: :D
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[21:35:51] =av=: где-бы что-бы почитать по PyQt4 (4.4) вообще и QDesigner в частности. Поиски по хабру/python.su/vingrad.ru толком ничего не дали. Конкретно сейчас хочу сделать resizeable dialog чтобы содержимое растягивалось при изменении размеров. В примерах есть код hboxlayout.addStretch(1) - не пойму что ему соответствует в QDesigner :(
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[21:37:30] xa4a_: QDesigner - это designer?
[21:37:41] cutwater: видимо да
[21:37:43] Svoloch: layout обычно в самом начале списка виджетов
[21:37:43] =av=: xa4a_: угу
[21:37:53] xa4a_: =av=: смотри в сторону лейаутов
[21:38:00] cutwater: по моему хватает для начала книжки Бланшет Саммерфилд или как-то так
[21:38:04] cutwater: по QT
[21:38:18] cutwater: а там и официальная дока по qt и pyqt сгодится
[21:38:53] Svoloch: Официальная дока рулит
[21:39:52] =av=: усмотрелся :( все равно как меняю размер диалога - кнопки не двигаются, на и виджета с похожим слово не нашел :(... Беда имеено с designer - "руками"-то примеры есть...
cutwater: книжку погуглю, спасибо...
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[21:40:08] xa4a_: где-то было
[21:40:09] xa4a_: ща
[21:40:16] xa4a_: http://forum.vingrad.ru/forum/topic-159421/kw-pyqt.html
[21:40:17] cutwater: там правой кнопкой по форме
[21:40:25] xa4a_: тут всё есть
[21:40:39] xa4a_: только не дизайнер, а кодом
[21:40:39] cutwater: и делаешь set layout для виджета дефолтный
[21:40:42] Svoloch: =av=: может ты не в то место лейаута вставил?
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[21:41:53] jedgar: а как такое сделать по-умному: line = line.replace('=','='+addstr.encode(cp)) ?
[21:42:01] jedgar: одной строкой
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[21:43:04] piranha: это ж одна строка?
[21:43:05] jedgar: вставить между '=\n'
[21:43:13] xa4a_: jedgar: что ты хочешь сделать?
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[21:44:15] jedgar: не, вставить между = и \n в строке у которой в конце '=\n'
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[21:44:23] =av=: xa4a_: э!... с кодом-то пример есть и работает (http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/layoutmanagement/)
Svoloch: я пока вообще с designer-ом "не догоняю" :) Вроде некуда... Попробовал повторить код из ссылки в дизайнере и спокнулся о addStretch. На Spacer это не похоже...
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[21:44:57] xa4a_: jedgar: \n в конце стринга в смысле?
[21:45:02] jedgar: вставить строку
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[21:45:20] xa4a_: не понимать
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[21:45:48] xa4a_: =av=: лейаут всего окна - Lay Out в контекстном меню окна
[21:45:50] Svoloch: Фиг его знает, давно я последнюю прогу с GUI писал...
[21:45:53] xa4a_: Муркт: passed
[21:45:59] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[21:46:03] xa4a_: самого диалога
[21:46:03] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[21:46:05] Svoloch: есчё во прнмена Qt4.2
[21:46:09] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[21:46:11] jedgar: insert сделать строки в строку, после символа который я укажу
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[21:46:34] xa4a_: jedgar: а чем твой вариант не устраивает?
[21:46:42] Муркт: xa4a_: угу, пассед.
[21:47:00] jedgar: типа: line = line.insert_after('=',addstr.encode(cp))
[21:47:16] xa4a_: а.. ну дык
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[21:47:24] xa4a_: !pydoc str.replace
[21:47:26] jedgar: некрасиво два '='
[21:47:29] xa4a_: !pydoc string.replace
[21:47:47] xa4a_: maxsplit добавь ещё, да
[21:47:54] xa4a_: э..
[21:47:59] xa4a_: wtf?!
[21:48:03] xa4a_: maxsplit?
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[21:48:07] xa4a_: split&
[21:48:16] xa4a_: !pydoc string.split
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[21:48:31] xa4a_: а, сплит. ладно
[21:49:17] jedgar: да я думал уже в каком-нибудь модуле мож есть
[21:49:36] piranha: да нормально у тебя
[21:49:44] xa4a_: нормально, да
[21:49:50] Большой Лис: http://www.hab.la/
[21:49:53] xa4a_: если хочется какой-то модуль - есть re :)
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[21:51:18] wiz: /me быстро, решительно начнёт учить эрланг
[21:51:20] wiz: завтра
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[21:51:36] Большой Лис: wiz, начиг?
[21:51:41] Большой Лис: нафиг*
[21:51:49] wiz: появилась задача подходящая
[21:51:58] wiz: мониторинг, события и всё такое
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[22:07:04] piranha: тест
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[22:09:43] xa4a_: piranha, passed, если что
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[22:51:31] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
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[23:41:03] xa4a_: /me обнаружил, что замыкания на самом деле работают не так, как считал должны были работать
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[23:42:39] xa4a_: если хочу внутри лямбды запомнить текущее состояние переменной - то это только lambda i=i,j=j: i+j ?
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[23:43:32] xa4a_: против lambda: i+j которое не запоминает текущее на момент создания лямбды, а следит за изменениями i,j во внешнем скоупе
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[23:46:00] Большой Лис: http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/idioteka/2009/04/28/
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[23:47:34] Oleg Leschinsky: Typhon: дайте Oleg Leschinsky модераторские кнопки

Не нужно ошибочно считать меня санитаром леса
[23:48:12] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, шото непонятно, шо ты хотел этим сказать
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[23:49:14] Oleg Leschinsky: В этом выражении lambda i=i,j=j: i+j последние i+j -- связанные переменные.
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[23:49:21] Oleg Leschinsky: В lambda: i+j нет.
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[23:49:46] Oleg Leschinsky: Так и должно быть.
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[23:50:18] xa4a_: тоесть чтобы внутри лямбды запомнить состояние i,j на момент её создания i=i, j=j - правильный метод?
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[23:50:28] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[23:50:36] Oleg Leschinsky: Вот если сделать
def newfunc:
i = n
return lambda x: x + i
[23:51:00] Oleg Leschinsky: То результатом newfunc будет функция, делающая x+n
[23:51:16] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, нет, не правильный
[23:51:24] Oleg Leschinsky: Я правильный описал.
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[23:51:44] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, это из математики про связанные и свободные переменные функции.
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[23:52:26] xa4a_: Oleg Leschinsky: если я потом изменю i
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[23:52:38] xa4a_: тоесть вот:
[23:52:48] xa4a_: for i in range(2): for j in range(2): l.append(lambda i,j: i+j)
[23:53:06] xa4a_: в результате l создержит 4 одинаковые ф-ии
[23:53:20] xa4a_: которые возвращают 2 - 1+1
[23:53:43] xa4a_: тоесть используют текущее значение i,j из внешнеого пр-ва имён
[23:53:46] xa4a_: чего не хочется
[23:54:01] xa4a_: хотелось пару эл-тов списка, возвращающих 1, и по одному - 0 и 2
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[23:56:21] Oleg Leschinsky: [23:53:43] xa4a_: тоесть используют текущее значение i,j из внешнеого пр-ва имён

Оппа. Интересно.
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[23:58:13] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, не, там четыре одинаковые функции, которые никак от i, j из циклов не зависят.
[23:58:20] Oleg Leschinsky: Что логично
[23:58:38] xa4a_: в конце циклов - i и j = 1
[23:58:49] Oleg Leschinsky: Ну и что?
[23:58:53] xa4a_: которые внутри лямбд и используются
[23:58:58] Oleg Leschinsky: Нет
[23:59:09] Oleg Leschinsky: Скажи l[3](1,3)
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[23:59:24] Oleg Leschinsky: И l[0](1,3)
[23:59:25] xa4a_: аэ
[23:59:28] xa4a_: я ошибся
[23:59:31] xa4a_: lambda: i+j
[23:59:34] Oleg Leschinsky: Они дадут одинаковый результат, значит одинаковые
[23:59:47] xa4a_: я хотел lambda: i+j