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[00:00:23] xa4a_: в том куске кода
[00:00:31] xa4a_: for i in range(2): for j in range(2): l.append(lambda: i+j)
[00:00:42] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, точно
[00:00:58] Oleg Leschinsky: Значит python дает неправильное замыкание.
[00:01:05] a1fred is now xa
[00:01:06] Oleg Leschinsky: Там внутри не копия, а ссылка.
[00:01:29] A2K is now xa
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[00:01:44] Oleg Leschinsky: Если ручками изменить значение i или j, то и результат функций в l меняется.
[00:02:06] xa4a_: да, об этом я изначально и спрашивал)
[00:02:07] Oleg Leschinsky: По местному времени уже 00:01, поэтому предлагаю перенести беседу на утро
[00:02:26] xa4a_: пожалуй осталю пока lambda i=i,j=j:
[00:02:28] xa4a_: до утра, да
[00:02:31] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[00:02:50] Oleg Leschinsky: /me -- человек измученный нарзаном^W Scheme, где для замыкания делается копия окружения
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[00:05:17] sevenov: xa4a_, про это уже как-то писали в рассылке, даже много раз и в результате было i=i, j=j. Другово вроде и не видел.
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[00:14:53] Oleg Leschinsky: И эти люди будут Lisp/Scheme ругать?
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[00:37:25] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
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[00:48:35] tilarids is now xa
[00:49:13] bbodio is now offline
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[01:07:26] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
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[01:41:28] gigimon is now offline
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[01:46:15] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[01:46:31] A2K is now xa
[01:47:25] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[01:47:26] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
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[02:01:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[02:01:32] A2K is now xa
[02:02:25] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:02:25] bobry is now online
[02:02:26] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:03:36] red-agent is now away
[02:05:32] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
[02:06:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:06:32] A2K is now xa
[02:11:18] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:11:33] A2K is now xa
[02:16:19] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:16:33] A2K is now xa
[02:17:13] Svoloch is now offline
[02:17:24] red-agent is now away
[02:18:14] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
[02:21:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:21:33] A2K is now xa
[02:23:18] red-agent is now away
[02:26:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:26:33] A2K is now xa
[02:31:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:31:34] A2K is now xa
[02:33:18] red-agent is now xa
[02:36:20] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
[02:36:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:36:34] A2K is now xa
[02:41:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:41:34] A2K is now xa
[02:46:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:46:35] A2K is now xa
[02:50:51] _lorien is now xa
[02:51:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:51:36] A2K is now xa
[02:53:16] red-agent is now away
[02:56:22] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[02:56:36] A2K is now xa
[03:01:02] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[03:01:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now Not available as a result of being idle
[03:01:18] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[03:01:36] A2K is now xa
[03:01:40] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[03:02:27] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
[03:06:36] A2K is now xa
[03:06:41] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[03:11:36] A2K is now xa
[03:11:42] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[03:15:53] a1fred is now offline
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[03:15:55] a1fred is now xa
[03:16:24] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
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[03:16:36] A2K is now xa
[03:16:36] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[03:17:35] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[03:22:35] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[03:23:42] a1fred is now xa
[03:26:37] A2K is now xa
[03:27:35] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[03:32:35] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[04:17:39] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[04:21:38] A2K is now xa
[04:22:38] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[04:33:16] red-agent is now away
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[04:37:39] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[04:41:21] sintetico is now Доступен
[04:41:39] A2K is now xa
[04:42:40] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[04:53:13] лорд Морфий is now online
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[04:57:41] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:01:40] A2K is now xa
[05:02:41] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:03:10] лорд Морфий is now away
[05:03:58] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
[05:06:39] A2K is now xa
[05:07:41] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:09:56] red-agent is now away
[05:11:00] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
[05:11:40] A2K is now xa
[05:12:42] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:13:40] wiz_ is now offline
[05:13:51] wiz_ is now xa
[05:16:26] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
[05:16:40] A2K is now xa
[05:17:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:21:40] A2K is now xa
[05:22:42] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[05:27:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:31:41] A2K is now xa
[05:32:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:35:47] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[05:36:41] A2K is now xa
[05:37:43] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[05:41:41] A2K is now xa
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[06:01:42] A2K is now xa
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[06:05:37] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[06:05:38] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[06:05:41] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[06:05:42] vermus.jabber is now dnd
[06:06:42] A2K is now xa
[06:07:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[06:08:04] red-agent is now offline
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[06:11:08] vermus.jabber is now offline
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[06:12:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[06:16:42] A2K is now xa
[06:17:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[06:20:50] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[06:21:43] A2K is now xa
[06:22:44] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[06:23:45] bobry is now away
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[06:33:45] bobry is now online
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[06:47:52] лорд Морфий is now online
[06:48:09] dicos is now Думаю. над размышлениями
[06:50:12] dicos is now offline
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[06:52:37] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[06:52:47] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[06:56:44] A2K is now xa
[06:57:47] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
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[07:03:45] bobry is now online
[07:05:37] wiz is now online
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[07:07:49] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[07:10:11] red-agent is now xa
[07:11:46] A2K is now xa
[07:12:24] A2K is now online
[07:12:25] A2K is now online
[07:12:31] лорд Морфий is now online
[07:12:49] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[07:13:25] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[07:13:45] bobry is now away
[07:16:45] A2K is now online
[07:17:49] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[07:18:33] red-agent is now away
[07:20:40] rad/asus is now online
[07:20:41] rad/asus is now online
[07:21:11] rad/asus is now offline
[07:21:45] A2K is now online
[07:22:50] Oleg Leschinsky is now xa
[07:23:23] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[07:24:10] A2K is now away
[07:24:11] A2K is now away
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[07:30:25] red-agent is now away
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[07:33:45] bobry is now xa
[07:34:10] A2K is now online
[07:34:11] A2K is now online
[07:34:19] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[07:34:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[07:36:11] wiz is now xa
[07:36:47] A2K is now online
[07:37:50] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[07:38:47] wiz is now online
[07:40:27] red-agent is now xa
[07:41:47] A2K is now online
[07:42:50] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[07:43:29] zulorflare is now offline
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[07:47:51] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[07:48:06] Portnov: в питоне настоящих замыканий нет, разве что их как-нибудь явно создавать
[07:50:30] Optik is now Mobile chatting
[07:51:48] A2K is now away
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[07:56:48] A2K is now away
[07:57:51] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[07:59:37] wiz is now away
[08:01:25] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[08:01:48] A2K is now away
[08:02:51] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:04:10] A2K is now online
[08:04:11] A2K is now online
[08:05:08] xa4a_ is now online
[08:05:09] xa4a_ is now online
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[08:08:20] =av= is now online
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[08:09:37] wiz is now xa
[08:11:01] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:11:02] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:11:49] A2K is now online
[08:12:33] Portnov is now away
[08:12:51] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:12:57] red-agent is now away
[08:14:02] Portnov is now online
[08:14:10] A2K is now away
[08:14:10] A2K is now away
[08:14:34] wiz_ is now online
[08:16:26] лорд Морфий is now away
[08:16:49] A2K is now away
[08:17:07] Portnov is now away
[08:17:52] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:18:21] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[08:18:22] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[08:20:13] лорд Морфий is now online
[08:21:17] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:21:18] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:21:49] A2K is now away
[08:22:52] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:22:56] red-agent is now xa
[08:23:09] Optik is now Mobile chatting
[08:23:31] _lorien: http://community.livejournal.com/fake_explosm/76401.html
ололо
[08:26:04] _lorien is now online
[08:26:33] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[08:26:50] A2K is now away
[08:27:08] wiz_ is now offline
[08:27:53] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:27:59] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[08:28:00] Oleg Leschinsky is now away
[08:29:02] xa4a_ is now away
[08:30:19] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:30:20] _lorien is now offline
[08:30:20] Oleg Leschinsky is now online
[08:30:58] Oleg Leschinsky is now offline
[08:30:59] _lorien is now online
[08:31:34] red-agent is now away
[08:31:50] A2K is now away
[08:32:24] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[08:34:09] A2K is now xa
[08:34:10] A2K is now xa
[08:36:50] A2K is now xa
[08:36:50] sevenov is now offline
[08:37:26] red-agent is now away
[08:39:14] jedgar is now online
[08:41:37] sevenov is now xa
[08:41:50] A2K is now xa
[08:44:09] A2K is now online
[08:44:10] A2K is now online
[08:44:12] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[08:44:13] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[08:44:36] red-agent is now Ближе не подходить - опасно.
В состоянии сильного психоза.
P.S. "татальный вынас мозга"
[08:44:46] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[08:46:02] a1fred is now xa
[08:46:09] MAVr is now offline
[08:46:26] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[08:46:46] xa4a_ is now online
[08:46:50] A2K is now online
[08:47:47] a1fred is now xa
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[09:59:24] mishok13: """- "java тормозит и требует хорошего железа" - это было 10 лет назад. Сейчас на том же железе Java работает быстрее PHP"""
[09:59:32] mishok13: java уже быстрее похапэ, вычо
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[10:01:06] piranha: на том же, что и 10 лет назад?
[10:01:17] Большой Лис: вроде жаба всегда быстрее была
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[10:02:10] _lorien: djaba!
[10:02:29] Большой Лис: джабба хат
[10:02:30] Большой Лис: ?
[10:02:33] cutwater: :D
[10:02:39] AlexKiriukha: Не могу нагуглить. Есть ModelForm, в ней - ModelChoiceField. Хочу для unbound формы устанавливать выбранное значение. Это вообще возможно?
[10:02:39] cutwater: Большой Лис, не успел ...
[10:02:44] _lorien: djaba - django bloggin application :-)
[10:02:51] AlexKiriukha: http://dumpz.org/7983/
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[10:03:07] cutwater: чьими копирайты на название будут?
[10:03:37] cutwater: точней я смотрю уже есть )))
[10:04:24] AlexKiriukha: З
[10:04:29] _lorien: Да, это была рекламная пауза.
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[10:04:45] AlexKiriukha: /me задумался почему генерирует глупые вопросы
[10:04:57] _lorien: AlexKiriukha, напиши наследника от ModelChoiceField
[10:05:05] _lorien: и ставь, что захочешь там дефолтом
[10:05:13] _lorien: или на JS набросай примочку )
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[10:05:44] AlexKiriukha: JS - это прямо duct tape какой-то :-) Просто думал это стандартная нужная штука и должна быть. Но не работает.
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[10:06:19] Oleg Leschinsky: mishok13, PHP и Java решают разные классы задач
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[10:07:18] _lorien: AlexKiriukha, можно ещё initial передавать!
[10:07:27] _lorien: по ходу так и надо
[10:08:28] mishok13: Oleg Leschinsky, и?
[10:08:40] mishok13: что ты этим хотел сказать?
[10:08:40] AlexKiriukha: initial в ModelForm для ModelChoiceField не работает. Для остальных полей - работает, для этого - нет. Хотя может я что криво делаю :-(
[10:09:45] Oleg Leschinsky: mishok13, на тех классах, где используют Java, PHP будет медленным и глупым.
[10:09:51] mishok13: БЛЯТЬ
[10:10:09] mishok13: я просто скопировал сюда смешную цитату, йобанаврот
[10:10:14] mishok13: ферштейн?
[10:10:25] AlexKiriukha: mishok13: grammar nazi негодуют :)
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[10:10:59] AlexKiriukha: s/Т/Д/
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[10:12:01] Oleg Leschinsky: mishok13, глицесед помогает, я проверял
[10:12:21] Oleg Leschinsky: *глицисед
[10:12:40] mishok13: тебе бы помогла прививка от серьезности
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[10:19:40] Большой Лис: http://github.com/digg/stream/tree/master
[10:19:58] Большой Лис: и демо к нему
[10:20:00] Большой Лис: http://demos.digg.com/stream/imageDemo.html
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[10:23:01] piranha: Normal, uncached took: 29189ms
Stream took: 31876ms
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[10:24:22] mishok13: Stream took: 15651ms
Normal, uncached took: 22463ms
[10:24:23] Большой Лис: lol
[10:24:37] mishok13: то у тебя инет такой, piranha
[10:24:46] Большой Лис: piranha, шото у тебя совсем тяжко
[10:25:12] Большой Лис: Stream took: 4694ms
[10:25:27] Большой Лис: а вот нормал начинает мне ацки жрать проц
[10:25:43] Большой Лис: Normal, uncached took: 40600ms
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[10:25:51] piranha: гыгы
[10:25:56] piranha: да, нормал больше по процу дает жару
[10:26:02] piranha: а вот стрим - по инету
[10:26:05] mishok13: Stream took: 53517ms
Normal, uncached took: 27840ms
[10:26:05] piranha: mishok13: я знаю ;)
[10:26:10] mishok13: бгыгы
[10:26:16] Большой Лис: mishok13, как это?!
[10:26:19] mishok13: короче, хуита этот ваш стрим :)
[10:26:22] piranha: 100%
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[10:26:46] Большой Лис: похапэшнае гогно %)
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[11:02:32] GordonQuad: драсти
[11:02:38] GordonQuad: у меня такой вопрос...
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[11:03:27] Oleg Leschinsky: GordonQuad, и?
[11:03:28] GordonQuad: как в setuptools поменять порядок подкомманд чтобы build_py шла после build_ext ? причем не только в комманде build, но и в bdist_egg и подобных ?
[11:03:52] GordonQuad: ну кроме переписывания сетаптулз
[11:04:31] GordonQuad: у меня в build_ext swig делает .py файл, хотелось бы чтобы он тоже включался в .egg когда я его делаю...
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[11:05:56] mishok13: боюсь, тут по сетаптулз ты немного специалистов найдешь :)
[11:06:24] mishok13: попробуй на c.l.python задать вопрос
[11:06:45] cutwater: блин.. заредиректили человека :(
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[11:07:01] cutwater: wtf c.l.python ?
[11:07:02] GordonQuad: c.l.python - а можно без сокращений?%)
[11:07:16] mishok13: comp.lang.python
[11:07:21] mishok13: это юзнет
[11:07:23] GordonQuad: usenet ?
[11:07:24] GordonQuad: хмхм
[11:07:27] GordonQuad: попробую
[11:08:00] GordonQuad: а оно вообще кем-нибудь юзается? setuptools всмысле?%)
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[11:08:19] mishok13: есть еще мейлинг лист по дистутилс
[11:08:45] mishok13: GordonQuad, я стараюсь как можно меньше касаться setuptools
[11:08:50] mishok13: там ад кромешный внутрях
[11:08:54] GordonQuad: ммм, а аргументы?
[11:09:02] GordonQuad: аа, ясн %)
[11:09:22] mishok13: GordonQuad, аргументы были тысячи раз обтерты и обьяснены
[11:09:37] GordonQuad: для дистутилс я вроде решение нашёл, только вот оно работает только на комманду build, а на bdist_egg не работает(
[11:09:43] mishok13: но пока что "маємо те що маємо"
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[11:10:30] mishok13: можешь еще buildout или pip попробовать
[11:10:46] GordonQuad: а может есть какой-нить аналог который делает яйца? или что-нибудь типо яиц?
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[11:12:19] mishok13: http://pypi.python.org/pypi?:action=browse&show=all&c=408 <-- можешь тут посмотреть
[11:12:51] mishok13: но я тебе два варианта нормальных предложил
[11:14:57] GordonQuad: а pip вроде судя по описанию это просто инсталятор яиц, замена easy_install - он сам яйца делать умеет?
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[11:17:06] mishok13: на самом деле -- нет :)
[11:17:32] GordonQuad: нет - не умеет? или нет - не просто инсталятор?
[11:17:35] mishok13: это я что-то лишнее сказал, в общем
[11:17:51] mishok13: инсталятор, лучше чем easy_install, в общем-то
[11:17:58] justicer: Яйцы ж setuptools`ы делают.
[11:18:01] mishok13: но собирать им яйца низзя
[11:18:02] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, меня постигло прозрение
[11:18:18] mishok13: justicer, яйца -- это стандарт
[11:18:35] mishok13: можешь написать свой сборщик, если захочешь
[11:19:10] GordonQuad: я на самом деле обрисую что мне надо - мне нужно чтобы весь проект упаковывалсо в один файл, я проливал его на контроллер (на котором линух и питон, и нихрина больше нету) и он там сам деплоился...
[11:19:19] GordonQuad: вроде яйца подходят под описание :)
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[11:20:02] justicer: А vitrualenv уже будет overkill?
[11:20:08] GordonQuad: вот теперь мне нужно что-нибудь что эти яйца делает...
[11:20:16] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, http://dumpz.org/7988/ хоть тут в замыкании не копия, а ссылка на i, после завершения функции i будет доступна только из lambda
[11:20:19] GordonQuad: кроме setuptools это что-нибудь умеет делать?
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[11:20:30] mishok13: zc.buildout, мать за ногу :)
[11:20:50] GordonQuad: ага, спс :) сча почитаю...
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[11:24:22] Oleg Leschinsky: xa4a_, вот так будет работать http://dumpz.org/7990/
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[11:26:31] Oleg Leschinsky: Portnov, sevenov: нормальное замыкание http://dumpz.org/7990/
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[11:27:13] GordonQuad: а zc.buildout это типо кусок жопы ?
[11:27:21] mishok13: угу
[11:27:33] GordonQuad: хммммммммм
[11:27:40] GordonQuad: а без жопы он работает?
[11:28:26] mishok13: должно
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[11:35:23] GordonQuad: чота везде описанно как через buildout ставить яйца а не делать их с помощью него
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[11:42:27] Большой Лис: http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=21487
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[11:51:51] GordonQuad: супер, zc.buildout юзает setuptools для того чтобы яйца делать... здравствую порочный круг
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[11:53:11] mishok13: ы
[11:53:16] mishok13: я предупреждал
[11:53:24] mishok13: [11:08:50 AM] mishok13: там ад кромешный внутрях
[11:53:35] GordonQuad: тоесть яйца можно делать только посредством setuptools или руками?%)
[11:53:51] mishok13: примерно так
[11:53:58] GordonQuad: отлично
[11:53:59] mishok13: :)
[11:54:36] GordonQuad: возвратились туда откуда начали %)
[11:54:48] mishok13: сейчас ты еще несколько открытий сделаешь и поймешь как убоги спецификации по сборке и почему рубисты так любят gem'ы
[11:55:06] GordonQuad: может быть правда на руби пересесть %)
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[11:55:28] GordonQuad: а руби через свиг нормально с ц++ вяжиццо?
[11:55:30] mishok13: тогда ты почувствуешь всю прелесть недокументированных стандартных библиотек, хыхы
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[11:55:43] mishok13: через свиг всё вяжется отвратительно
[11:55:52] mishok13: в том числе и питон с рубями
[11:55:53] GordonQuad: ну питон более/менее вяжиццо
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[11:56:27] mishok13: ну это у тебя опыта просто мало со свигом :)
[11:56:40] GordonQuad: во всяком случае от этой связки меня не ташнит зеленой блевотиной...
[11:56:44] mishok13: руби 1.8 должно нормально работать со свигом
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[11:57:05] mishok13: 1.9 поменял модель тредов, поэтому там, наверное, могут быть проблемы
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[11:59:00] Большой Лис: кстате, про 1.9
[11:59:17] Большой Лис: он примерно как нечётные версии линукса
[11:59:37] Большой Лис: строго экспериментальный, и лучше воздержатся от его использования
[11:59:53] mishok13: ххыххыххыхыхаххахаха
[12:00:11] sevenov: Большой Лис, гит не нужн
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[12:00:20] sevenov: а, это вы про руби =)
[12:00:21] mishok13: Большой Лис, не пори чушь
[12:00:34] Большой Лис: sevenov, fork you
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[12:09:38] GordonQuad: убейте меня
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[12:50:24] AlexKiriukha: http://www.opera.com/ - web 1.0
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[14:56:13] slav0nic: если б не mono...)
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[15:02:53] slav0nic: в джанготестах после self.client.login() ничё не надо очищать?
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[15:03:11] slav0nic: логаут делать
[15:03:52] slav0nic: о, кажется надо
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[15:20:57] bobry: товарисчи, кто нибудь знает чем в амароке1.4 notifications делаются?
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[15:23:23] bobry: или даже так, есть какие нибудь кросплатформенные варианты рисовать уведомления?
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[15:26:13] mishok13: Qt или GTK или <подставь свой любимый кросс-платформенный GUI фреймворк>
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[15:27:01] bobry: ну меня больше интересует Qt, я что то не могу найти ничего готового на эту тему
[15:27:27] bobry: в Gtk по моему есть отдельный класс который этими делами занимается
[15:28:10] mishok13: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.3/desktop-systray.html
[15:28:14] mishok13: не знаю чем ты ищешь
[15:28:24] mishok13: советую гугл
[15:28:38] bobry: ну это же просто toolTip
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[15:29:50] mishok13: tooltip это несколько другое
[15:29:53] mishok13: но неважно
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[15:30:25] mishok13: что ты подразумеваешь под "уведомлением", в таком случае?
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[15:32:54] =av=: О! раз уж речь зашла про Qt/systray. Есть ненавязчивое желание сделать Qt SystrayIcon Drop-target ом чтобы таскать на неё мышой урлы для добавления в список. Кто-нить делал? Кроссплатформенно, есс-но. Или оно того не стОит?
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[15:34:07] mishok13: да вы тут все наркоманы :)
[15:34:29] bobry: mishok13: хотелось бы что нибудь более конфигурируемое, тут все таки все что можно сделать - добавить иконку и текст
[15:34:32] bobry: lol
[15:35:00] mishok13: bobry, вам шашечки или ехать?
[15:35:13] bobry: o_O
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[15:35:25] mishok13: хочешь конфигурабельного и кросс-платформенного -- добро пожаловать в страну дураков
[15:35:27] =av=: mishok13: ага, еще и извращенцы - мне под PyQt4 интересно :)
[15:35:37] mishok13: это невероятно тяжело
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[15:56:22] mishok13: у меня нетерпимость к винапи
[15:56:58] Oleg Leschinsky: Это да
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[15:57:11] Oleg Leschinsky: И шо, тебя даже выход Windows 7 не возбуждает?
[15:59:58] bobry: они свою 7ку уже до дыр запиарили
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[18:20:41] red-agent:
1. Это еще что. Знаешь, что пишет виста, если она ушла в гибернацию от того что села батарея?
2. что?
1. Запрос при загрузке: "Продолжить восстановление раб". Б#я, я подозревал, что микрософт обо мне невысокого мнения...
[18:20:44] red-agent: :D
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[19:33:40] xa4a_: что скажете http://decoded.org.ua/node/4 ?
[19:33:53] xa4a_: кто-то в прошлом году был?
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[19:34:21] piranha: а когда?
[19:34:24] piranha: а то я не вижу дат
[19:34:29] piranha: а, 29-31
[19:34:36] piranha: ааа, Львов
[19:34:44] piranha: хм, надо подумать :)
[19:34:45] bbodio: пойду етого года.
[19:34:53] red-agent: *в этом году
[19:34:57] bbodio: да
[19:35:04] piranha: http://www.styleofmoney.com/images/humor/mdhouse.jpg
[19:35:07] xa4a_: /me з апоследний месяц дважды попал во Львов, и вот сегодня увдиел эту афишку..
[19:35:24] red-agent: /me одно время жил во Львове.
[19:35:31] bbodio: а где именно?
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[19:36:17] red-agent: блядь, незнаю как на русском произнести
[19:36:18] red-agent: :D
[19:36:28] red-agent: Сихiвський массив вобщем.
[19:36:34] bbodio: а, ясно.
[19:36:51] red-agent: эти проклятые трамваи блядь
[19:36:53] bbodio: 40 минут езды от меня, далековато
[19:37:03] red-agent: два раза чуть не сшибли меня с непривычки.
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[19:37:51] red-agent: я себе привык между полосами выехать и никаких проблем.
[19:38:08] red-agent: а тут выехал - сзади эта махина со своим танко-подобным сигналом :D
[19:38:19] piranha: сигнал танкоподобный?
[19:38:24] piranha: это который дзинь-дзинь?
[19:38:32] bbodio: дзынь-дзынь
[19:38:44] red-agent: ну я незнаю, где там дзинь-дзинь, но я попал на какой-то невменяемый гудок
[19:38:48] piranha: ггг
[19:38:55] red-agent: который был нехуево слышен даже через full-face шлем
[19:38:57] piranha: то тебе фанат попался
[19:39:05] piranha: дзинь-дзинь на гудок от маза сменил
[19:39:21] red-agent: это первый раз
[19:39:34] red-agent: а второй - глянул в зеркало, автоматически - а там сзади такая хуевина на меня несется...
[19:39:35] red-agent: :D
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[19:48:17] red-agent: http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=51104
[19:48:19] red-agent: бляяяя
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[19:50:55] Большой Лис: жаж
[19:51:21] piranha: тю
[19:51:24] piranha: и шо такого-то
[19:51:27] piranha: :D
[19:51:58] red-agent: угу.
[19:52:06] red-agent: тараканы - тоже протеин.
[19:52:07] red-agent: :D
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[20:02:17] bbodio: прям как сувенирный янтарь с моря
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[20:09:27] piranha: Вхід на фестиваль безкоштовний.

[20:09:31] piranha: да однозначно надо ехать )
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[20:35:04] red-agent: piranha, хз. и чочо там будет?
[20:35:29] red-agent: это же не coding-party какой-нить. Т.е. там соберется весь айтишный сброд, не?
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[20:41:03] piranha: ну да и хрен
[20:41:10] piranha: будет плохо - пойду по львову полажу
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[20:41:36] red-agent: там в центре ничо так.
[20:41:39] red-agent: возле оперного театра
[20:41:50] piranha: ну раздуплюсь :)
[20:41:59] piranha: ни разу не был, так что интересно будет :)
[20:42:03] red-agent: ага.
[20:42:59] red-agent: бля, на dotnet@cjr какой-то полный неадекват.
[20:43:11] piranha: http://www.lastfm.ru/event/857140
[20:43:15] piranha: тю
[20:43:17] cheshirecat is now I'm not here right now
[20:43:18] piranha: логично
[20:43:20] red-agent: человека 3 наверное вменяемых. Остальные 80% времени несут какую-то херню невменяемую.
[20:43:22] piranha: ты б еще на рсдн пошел
[20:43:30] piranha: на ubuntu@cjr тоже жопа
[20:43:33] cutwater: red-agent, для дотнетчиков вполне нормально
[20:43:33] cheshirecat is now I'm not here right now
[20:43:38] piranha: а на #ubuntu фриноды - это ваще ад
[20:43:39] cutwater: на убунту флуд не просыхая
[20:43:59] piranha: а когда технический вопрос задаешь - никто ничо не дуплицо
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[20:44:53] cutwater: это вполне нормально :D
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[20:45:30] piranha: блин, сто баксов фестиваль стоит
[20:45:33] piranha: но такие команды...
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[20:48:50] RaD: привет
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[20:49:15] cutwater: привет
[20:50:32] RaD: подскажите, что почитать, мне надо два процесса соединить, один постоянный (джаббер клиент), второй - периодический (http response), надо между ними данные гонять
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[20:51:18] cutwater: омг
[20:51:24] red-agent: что значит соеденить? и в каком смысле "гонять"?
[20:51:27] red-agent: конкретнее опишы.
[20:51:39] RaD: ну, что-то типа shared memory\
[20:52:01] cutwater: нужна конкретная постановка задачи.
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[20:52:14] RaD: чтобы http часть могла передавать принимать данные через джаббер
[20:52:43] RaD: с сокетами возиться не хочу :)
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[20:52:47] red-agent: а не логичнее ли в таком случае заюзать xmppy?
[20:52:51] Большой Лис: сдаётся мне ты этого не хочешь
[20:53:01] red-agent: а не прокладывать IPC к десктопному клиенту.
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[20:53:21] RaD: опять флуд?
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[20:53:43] red-agent: эээ?
[20:53:55] slav0nic is now online
[20:53:59] RaD: вопрос конкретный, что почитать по межпроцессному взаимодействию в случае, когда надо "связать" постоянный процесс и периодический
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[20:54:50] GordonQuad: народ, а twisted реально в отдельном не-main треде гонять?
[20:55:34] GordonQuad: или еще лучше реально с ним прогу демонизировать, но не через twistd ?
[20:56:12] RaD: posh не собирается, остаются пайпы и файлы
[20:56:27] Большой Лис: база ещё
[20:56:27] red-agent: RaD, с такой постановкой задачи - ответа не ты не дождешся.
[20:56:43] RaD: red-agent: с этим к архитекторам
[20:57:04] red-agent: Твой клиент exposeит dbus или еще что-нибудь для IPC?
[20:57:30] RaD: Большой Лис: хм, стоит подумать, но мне интересно, пайпы тут помогут?
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[20:58:36] RaD: судя по доке, пайпы поддерживаются для порождённых процессов. могу ли я создать процесс, открыть пайп и другим процессом прогнать данные туда/обратно?
[20:58:51] cutwater: может локальный сокет тогда
[20:59:10] piranha: RaD: такие пайпы называются юникс-сокетами ;)
[20:59:27] red-agent: и они часто являются порядочным геморром
[20:59:35] red-agent: особенно в части синхронизации
[20:59:37] Большой Лис: ещё ещё fifo
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[20:59:57] RaD: примеры где посмотреть?
[21:00:05] RaD: fifo бы подошло
[21:00:09] Большой Лис: man mkfifo
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[21:02:01] RaD: осознал, т.е. мне надо сделать два таких, один для записи в джаббер, другой для чтения
[21:02:06] GordonQuad: RaD: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-python/doc/tutorial.html - попробуй вот это поюзать :)
[21:02:22] GordonQuad: хотя с фифо гораздо проще :)
[21:02:25] RaD: сервер не мой, поюзать не дадут
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[21:02:52] RaD: отлично, спасибо за идею Большой Лис
[21:03:13] GordonQuad: ктонить здесь юзал twisted ?
[21:03:54] wiz: йа сегодня
[21:04:27] RaD: Большой Лис: я правильно понял, что при чтении из fifo, прочитанные данные стираются
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[21:04:59] GordonQuad: wiz: вообщим обрисую проблему
[21:05:04] RaD: значит надо делать прокси
[21:05:48] GordonQuad: есть прога на питоне, возникла необходимость прикрутить к ней modbus по tcp
[21:06:01] GordonQuad: нашёл pymodbus но он на твистеде
[21:06:14] GordonQuad: реально ли его заюзать не переделывая всю прогу под твистед?
[21:06:35] GordonQuad: а то я посмотрел там этот реактор как-то только в маин треде запускаццо может....
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[21:08:14] GordonQuad: или я чего-то про твистед недопонял?%)
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[21:10:13] GordonQuad: тоесть даже флуда по этому поводу не будет?%)
[21:10:23] GordonQuad: или кто-нибудь что-нибудь скажет?
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[21:14:57] GordonQuad: ау?
[21:15:32] piranha: все риальне заныкались от твистеда
[21:15:38] wiz: запускаешь реактор, он крутит там свою машинерию. как только ты от него своего результата добился - командуешь остановку
[21:16:46] GordonQuad: wiz: дык пока реактор запущен в маин-треде ничего кроме него не крутится, значит надо будет всю прогу которая была до этого в отдельный тред пихать?
[21:16:49] Optik is now Где я? Кто я? Куда я, куда? © Наутилусъ
[21:17:30] wiz: нифига
[21:17:45] wiz: надо калбэк навешивать
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[21:17:56] wiz: ты результат как получаешь?
[21:18:02] GordonQuad: результат чего?
[21:18:15] wiz: pymodbus-a своего
[21:18:19] wiz: или что это вообще такое? ((8
[21:18:33] GordonQuad: планирую синхронно через ModbusContext
[21:18:39] wiz: o_O
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[21:19:06] wiz: MODBUS® Protocol is a messaging structure developed by Modicon in 1979, used to establish master-slave/client-server communication between intelligent ...
[21:19:07] GordonQuad: протокол такой простенький, есть куча виртуальных байтиков каждый со своим адресом, их можно читать и писать по сети
[21:19:09] wiz: это?
[21:19:16] GordonQuad: оно самое
[21:20:08] GordonQuad: соотвецтвенно асинхронная часть там изменяет эти байтики по коммандам по тцп пришедшим
[21:20:27] wiz: что-то невидать доков по этому pymodbus
[21:20:29] GordonQuad: а часть в проге там уже через контекст лазиет к этим байтикам
[21:20:34] Typhon: GordonQuad, https://lintouch.org/repos/lintouch/lsp-modbus/trunk/tests/modlib.py
[21:20:37] GordonQuad: там все доки в сырцах %)
[21:20:40] wiz: ппц
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[21:21:34] GordonQuad: Typhon: спс :)
[21:22:21] GordonQuad: хотя конечно хотелось бы через твистед, уж очень его хвалят везде %)
[21:22:22] wiz: ну там тоже serve_forever (=
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[21:22:47] GordonQuad: wiz: ну я думаю этот serve_forever мне никто не запретит в отдельный бекграунд-тред запихать
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[21:24:34] wiz: а в твистеде его разве нельзя?
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[21:25:41] GordonQuad: у меня матюкаеццо эксцепшоном говорит что сигналы ловить может только main-thread
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[21:28:37] GordonQuad: а без сигналов видимо он не способен функционировать (
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[21:50:34] pit: народ , возможно ли через питон отобразить картинку jpg к примеру
[21:50:50] pit: чтоб именно сам питон отобразил
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[21:51:47] bbodio: на чем отобразить?
[21:52:43] pit: есть картинка в каталоге , требуется эту картинку открыть и показать
[21:52:58] pit: и так пока не кончатся картинки
[21:53:00] red-agent: ну так заюзай какой-нить gui тулкит.
[21:53:03] red-agent: pygtk например.
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[21:54:13] pit: вот пробую по этому совету http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2661
[21:54:50] pit: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:/pit/img_see.py", line 5, in <module>
imtk = ImageTk.PhotoImage(file = "elda.jpg")
File "C:\Python26\Lib\site-packages\PIL\ImageTk.py", line 85, in __init__
image = Image.open(kw["file"])
File "C:\Python26\lib\site-packages\PIL\Image.py", line 1916, in open
raise IOError("cannot identify image file")
IOError: cannot identify image file
[21:59:05] pit: а всё нормально не парьтесь :)
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[23:33:29] GordonQuad: а если контекст в твистеде юзается из нескольких потоков то он должен быть треад-сейф ?
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[23:35:04] tilarids: если именно потоков, то да
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[23:35:19] GordonQuad: засада
[23:35:59] tilarids: ну, в питоне вообще есть такая штука, как gil
[23:36:15] tilarids: поэтому, вполне вероятно, что ты сможешь обойтись
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[23:37:15] GordonQuad: ммм, а поподробнее?
[23:37:54] bobry: ребят, можно вопрос по емаксу?
[23:38:04] bobry: и python-mode
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[23:39:15] piranha: bobry: это лучше в emacs@cjr задавать на самом деле :)
[23:39:21] tilarids: !google GIL
[23:39:26] bobry: а я там писать не могу
[23:39:29] piranha: там больше шансов на ответ
[23:39:30] tilarids: !google python GIL
[23:39:32] piranha: аа
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[23:39:34] GordonQuad: tilarids: general interpretation lock ?
[23:39:40] bobry: меня туда уже направляля)
[23:39:43] piranha: bobry: пингани там кого-то из модеров. Впрочем, спрашивай
[23:39:44] bobry: *направляли
[23:39:46] GordonQuad: *global
[23:39:47] tilarids: GordonQuad, global
[23:39:52] GordonQuad: ага
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[23:40:22] bobry: у python-mode есть фишка execute buffer, но у меня она почему то отказывается работать ругаясь на invalid file-name, в чем может быть дело?
[23:40:50] bobry: пробовал на разных фаилах, не вижу никакой логики
[23:41:04] piranha: эээ... вкратце - хз :)), длиннее - M-x toggle-debug-on-error и посмотри, где происходит
[23:41:16] piranha: если в гугле не находится, то я вряд ли чем помогу
[23:41:21] bobry: спасибо, щас попробую
[23:41:41] bobry: гугл бессилен, ибо запрос не очень информативный получается из ошибки)
[23:41:48] piranha: та да
[23:41:56] piranha: я такой же примерно по той же причине %)
[23:43:01] bobry: дебаг правда тоже не обнадеживает)
[23:43:14] piranha: %)
[23:44:00] bobry: ага, у меня от этих скобок именно %)
[23:44:16] GordonQuad: ода, лисп жжот
[23:44:25] piranha: да не смотри на них, они ж чисто для разметки
[23:44:32] bobry: в трейсе одни скобки почти)
[23:44:38] piranha: в хтмл от <> глаза не лопаются? Вот и в лиспе ж то же самое ;)
[23:44:39] GordonQuad: именно изза '%) изза скобок' я пересел обратно на вим %)
[23:45:09] bobry: piranha: понятно что делоа привычки
[23:45:23] bobry: не, на вим мне не хочется)
[23:45:26] piranha: впрочем, трейс мне тоже тяжело читать :)
[23:45:34] piranha: в питоне трейсбек в разы лучше
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[23:45:39] GordonQuad: bobry: и правильно, емакс крут, просто я слабак %)
[23:45:43] bobry: ну, информативнее так точно
[23:45:52] piranha: да не, лучше
[23:46:04] GordonQuad: и органически не перевариваю функциональные языки
[23:46:07] piranha: помимо того, что он информативнее, в нем куда больше пробелов - намного легче читать
[23:46:11] piranha: лисп не функциональный язык
[23:46:21] piranha: не намного более функциональный, чем питон
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[23:46:57] GordonQuad: ну еще хаскель вспомни %) кстати его разработчиков еще не казнили за него?
[23:47:08] piranha: хаскель - строго функциональный
[23:47:12] piranha: а лисп - нет
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[23:47:16] piranha: тем более елисп
[23:47:30] GordonQuad: у меня хаскель с брейнфаком ассоциируется
[23:47:39] piranha: та
[23:47:44] piranha: сравнил тоже
[23:47:52] piranha: слабак! )
[23:48:03] bobry: странно, у меня вообще py-execute-* не пашет)
[23:48:22] piranha: хаскель, если не заюзано много их всякого сахара синтаксического, довольно просто читать
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[23:49:44] bobry: piranha: я читал статьи в твоем блоге) ты все еще на емаксе?
[23:49:58] GordonQuad: только вот что=то все этот сахар юзают :)
[23:50:00] piranha: угу
[23:50:11] piranha: bobry: я пытался спрыгнуть и ничего не получилось
[23:50:14] bobry: а можно твой init.el вценить?
[23:50:24] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/conf/file/tip/.emacs.d/
[23:50:25] bobry: да меня тоже прямо засосало) после неудобностей vimовских
[23:50:29] bobry: спасибо
[23:50:30] piranha: :-)
[23:50:32] piranha: нп
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[23:53:50] justicer: Любопытная организация.
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[23:54:17] piranha: я ее спионерил :)
[23:54:31] GordonQuad: надо предложить инквизиции прогеров на хаскеле сжигать как еретиков...
[23:54:51] GordonQuad: *пошол смотреть сон про инквизиторов....*
[23:54:56] piranha: иначе у меня начинали мозги плавицо от .emacs - теперь больше шансов реорганизовать что-то
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[23:55:32] justicer: У меня всё в ~/.emacs.d покидано (ну, ещё есть ~/.var-emacs и ~/.emacs.d/auto-intall)
[23:55:35] xa4a_: /me подозрительно так покосился на GordonQuad
[23:55:46] piranha: xa4a_: да, странный
[23:55:51] justicer: Надо будет так переделать, ага
[23:56:06] GordonQuad: ну дайте помечтать хотябы во сне что уничтожили все функциональные языки... :)
[23:56:11] piranha: justicer: ну я на каталогизации немного цейво, приходится сдерживаться :)
[23:56:31] justicer: цейво?
[23:56:39] piranha: если б не сдерживался, сидел бы музыке своей жанры расставлял бы
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[23:56:48] bobry: ЖВ
[23:56:54] piranha: по контексту непонятно? ;)) Сдвинутый, что ли? ;)
[23:56:55] bobry: какталогизатор
[23:57:23] piranha: ну, короче, пытаюсь распихать все и лейбы расклеить
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[23:57:55] piranha: блин, почему pypi не дает фид старше последних 40 записей? :(
[23:57:59] piranha: это неинтересно прямо
[23:58:04] piranha: может можно как-то выдернуть...
[23:58:40] justicer: Зафигачить его в гридер, где и искать во всю историю.
[23:58:56] piranha: это я начиная с текущей смогу искать
[23:59:05] justicer: да
[23:59:13] justicer: а через месяц будет щастье
[23:59:24] xa4a_: а потом гугл начнёт хавать старые записи
[23:59:26] piranha: ну и плюс а вдруг я захочу дропнуть гридер?
[23:59:29] piranha: кстати, да
[23:59:36] piranha: лучше б они сами давали морду