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[00:04:51] Stanislav Pugachev: Svoloch, выходи нам четвертого не хватает))
[00:05:35] sevenov: Охох, давно же я не тыкал Лайти
[00:05:38] sevenov: Он заебат
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[00:15:01] GordonQuad: народ, а чем можно быстренько построить диаграмму классов из сырцов ? чтобы не качать много (типо RSA) %)
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[00:17:14] GordonQuad: мож доксигеном можно какнить?
[00:17:27] GordonQuad: или стандартным пидоком?
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[00:30:26] GordonQuad: а оно умеет по коду диаграмки строить?%)
[00:31:19] _lorien: шото я сумневаюсь сильно )
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[00:31:39] GordonQuad: вот и я чота %)
[00:31:47] _lorien: ему ваще надо подавать описания данных на спецязыке
[00:32:17] GordonQuad: ога
[00:32:29] GordonQuad: блин, засада %) завтра предзащита %)
[00:32:34] _lorien: оказывается двигатели самолётов испытывают закидывая туда настоящих птиц
[00:33:12] GordonQuad: мароженные курицы туда закидывают
[00:33:22] GordonQuad: я даже на ютубе видео видел %)
[00:33:34] _lorien: а в статье написано было, что куриц низя закидывать )
[00:33:38] _lorien: не помню почему
[00:33:51] _lorien: наверное, потому что у вольных птиц другие характеристики
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[00:34:09] GordonQuad: ну значит это тока в росси так испытвают %)
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[00:34:32] GordonQuad: а доксиген умеет картинки рисовать?
[00:34:36] _lorien: статья была про какой-то новый двигатель, который совместно несколько стран делают, ну вообще самолёт, jet чото там
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[00:38:04] _lorien: http://fsckvps.com кто-нить юзал ето?
[00:38:12] _lorien: 512 метров за 10 баков обещают
[00:38:29] GordonQuad: oO
[00:38:31] GordonQuad: O_O
[00:38:44] GordonQuad: *20 платит за 392*
[00:38:44] xa4a: ОПЕЧАТКА?
[00:38:48] xa4a: *оп
[00:38:55] GordonQuad: *384 вру :)
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[00:39:12] _lorien: GordonQuad, где ты такое увидел?
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[00:39:20] GordonQuad: что где?
[00:39:46] GordonQuad: где я такой хостинг беру?%)
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[00:40:31] _lorien: а, понял
[00:40:46] _lorien: 20, 392 это на этот похоже... как его
[00:40:54] _lorien: linuxvps или как там его
[00:41:13] _lorien: или на тектоник
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[00:43:10] GordonQuad: *юзает linode.com*
[00:43:28] GordonQuad: что мне нравицо так это то что там сеть работает быстрее чем у меня домо винты %)
[00:43:55] _lorien: во! linode - я угадал %)
[00:44:01] GordonQuad: 100-120 мб/с
[00:44:04] _lorien: это я под linuxhost имел в виду, забыл название
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[00:44:34] GordonQuad: правда пинг угнетает переодически (
[00:44:41] GordonQuad: 150-300 %)
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[00:51:47] _lorien: бла, что dd уже полночи копирует 70 гигов, наверное, я шо-то не так делаю.... второй винт по usb подрублен :-/
[00:52:16] xa4a: bs?
[00:52:25] _lorien: 31-го кончается гарантия - надо буку нести в ремонт %-)
[00:52:31] _lorien: bs? wtf?
[00:52:36] xa4a: block size
[00:52:47] xa4a: ну.. dd bs=
[00:53:15] _lorien: ага, ну у меня по умолчанию, наверное, это плохо %)
[00:53:22] xa4a: если бóльшими блоками, может быстрее было бы
[00:53:34] _lorien: я просто помню, что раньше копировал более-менее быстро... .всё таки на usb грешу
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[00:53:49] _lorien: я просто записал всё в блок досконально и щас так же делаю )
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[01:24:31] superbobry: товарисчи, а есть какая нибудь готовая штука, чтобы разворачивать ~, %WINDIR% итп в пути файла?
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[01:29:04] A2K: os.expandvars?
[01:29:08] A2K: os.expanduser
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[01:30:23] superbobry: а точно os? что то в документации не видно
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[01:31:21] _lorien: g! python os expand home
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[01:31:38] _lorien: от гавно, опять бота нет
[01:32:20] superbobry: в os.path они) спасибо
[01:32:42] bbodio: _lorien:
[ python-Bugs-1433667 ] os.path.expandvars sometimes doesn't
python-Bugs-1433667 ] os.path.expandvars sometimes doesn't expand $HOSTNAME ... import os.path >>> os.path.expandvars("$HOME") '/Users/dougfort' ...
mail.python.org/pipermail/python-bugs-list/2006-February/031999.html - 7k
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[01:34:28] xa4a: /me потыкал _lorien
[01:34:30] xa4a: !п
[01:34:31] xa4a: !g
[01:35:50] _lorien: а )
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- За один вечер, в Химках, сотовый телефон сменил семерых владельцев. Причем двоих еще и пережил.
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[08:36:02] unk2k: Всем привет, вопрос про MySQLdb
dbconn = MySQLdb.connect(....)
dbconn.set_character_set('utf8')
dbconn.autocommit(True)
cursor = dbconn.cursor()
cursor.execute("set names 'utf8'")
cursor.execute("insert into test set myvalue='%s'", "Вот тут та'кой пример")

на выполнении этого добра выкинит ошибку
insert into test set myvalue='Вот тут та'кой пример'

Вопрос как с этим правильно и быстро бороться ??
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[08:41:03] qq6ka: cursor.execute("insert into test set myvalue=%s" % "Вот тут та'кой пример") может так?
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[08:46:10] unk2k: то есть в таком случае он сам инкриминирует ? (если я правильно выразился)
[08:46:27] unk2k: cursor.execute("""
INSERT INTO %s (name, gender, job, level, str, dex, intel, cha, luc)
VALUES
(%s, %s, %s, %s, %s, %s, %s, %s, %s)
""", (CharAccount, CharName, CharGender, CharJob, CharLevel, Strength, Dexterity, Inteligence, Charm, Luck))

[08:46:34] unk2k: а вот такой пример ?
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[08:47:11] qq6ka: % вместо запятой
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[08:48:21] unk2k: Help on method execute in module MySQLdb.cursors:

execute(self, query, args=None) method of MySQLdb.cursors.Cursor instance
Execute a query.

query -- string, query to execute on server
args -- optional sequence or mapping, parameters to use with query.

Note: If args is a sequence, then %s must be used as the
parameter placeholder in the query. If a mapping is used,
%(key)s must be used as the placeholder.

Returns long integer rows affected, if an
[08:48:41] unk2k: placeholder - где про это почитать ?
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[09:13:40] Disаbler: hiall. ктонибудь может прояснить несколько вопросов по поводу mysql?
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[09:14:12] Большой Лис: утра
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[09:15:44] Disаbler: на сколько я понял - по .connect(filename) вся база загружается в память. или я не прав?
[09:15:54] cutwater: омг
[09:15:59] cutwater: нет
[09:16:13] Disаbler: и по .sync() происходит запись базы из памяти?
[09:16:17] cutwater: погодь, mysql в embedded mode??
[09:16:45] cutwater: я думал чтобы работать с мусклем встраиваемым его нужно аццки перекомпиливать
[09:16:56] cutwater: может там не filename а DSN?
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[09:19:12] Disаbler: cutwater: просто у меня такая проблема: есть база ~14000 значений. в обычном словаре и сбрасывается в файл. на сервере файл читается ~40 секунд и перебор всех значений занимает ~35 секунд. если перейти на мускуль - на сколько я выиграю по времени обработки?
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[09:19:31] cutwater: у тебя mysql вообще как бы сервер.... то есть фактически чево там он загружает и т.п. тебе и знать то не нужно. всю базу в память он то точно не загрузит... короче фигня
[09:20:12] cutwater: Disаbler, проверь... смотря как будешь обрабатывать. но выборка конкретных значений будет намного быстрей
[09:20:22] cutwater: то есть у тебя как минимум они проиндексированы
[09:20:42] Disаbler: cutwater: в моём случае - словарь полностью в памяти. если база берется с диска - какая будет скорость?
[09:21:02] cutwater: тебе все равно его весь в память грузить надо?
[09:21:26] Disаbler: cutwater: у меня идут выборки по regexp. на sql это можно реализовать средсвами самого sql&
[09:21:32] Disаbler: *?
[09:21:58] cutwater: да
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[09:22:09] cutwater: на скорости ты выиграешь. напиши и проверь сам.
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[09:22:30] Disаbler: cutwater: вся база значений сразу мне не нужна, но приходится перебирать всю базу, чтоб отобрать нужные.
[09:22:39] cutwater: а так не нужно будет перебирать
[09:22:57] cutwater: сделай индекс по нужному полю, и еще будет прирост скорости
[09:23:18] cutwater: так как mysql будет искать по индексу а не по всей таблице
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[09:23:32] cutwater: но советую вместо mysql пользовать postgresql
[09:23:37] Disаbler: cutwater: у меня в базе только одно поле. простой текст.
[09:23:55] Disаbler: cutwater: а ман по постгресу есть?
[09:23:58] cutwater: да
[09:24:02] cutwater: в инете все есть )))
[09:24:05] cutwater: на офсайте )))
[09:24:12] cutwater: ставишь psycopg2
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[09:24:22] cutwater: драйвер и работаешь ))
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[09:24:52] Disаbler: cutwater: ок. спасибо. пойду погуглю.
[09:25:25] cutwater: обращайтесь
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[09:26:55] Disаbler: нагуглил http://www.pygresql.org/
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[09:27:25] cutwater: ща
[09:27:36] Typhon: !g psycopg2
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[09:28:02] cutwater: http://initd.org/projects/psycopg2
[09:28:30] cutwater: http://postgresql.org
[09:28:38] unk2k: File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py", line 148, in execute
query = query % db.literal(args)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 232, in literal
return self.escape(o, self.encoders)
File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py", line 174, in string_literal
return db.string_literal(obj)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-17: ordinal not in range(128)

[09:28:46] unk2k: wtfs
[09:28:53] Typhon: unk2k: dumpz!
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[09:29:09] Typhon: !g python unicode howto
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[09:29:29] Typhon: unk2k: http://docs.python.org/howto/unicode.html
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[09:30:36] cutwater: unk2k, сразу совет. достать руки из жопы. вымыть. зайти в гугл и почитать о юникоде в питоне. есть даже видео.
[09:31:03] unk2k: http://dumpz.org/8969/
[09:31:22] unk2k: я пару часов искал
[09:31:28] unk2k: и нечего не нашел
[09:31:36] Typhon: unk2k: http://docs.python.org/howto/unicode.html
[09:31:44] unk2k: и че ?
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[09:32:06] unk2k: у меня скрипт utf-8 строки utf-8 коннект utf-8 вставляю он мне говорит немогу декодировать ascii
[09:32:23] unk2k: я в душе не *бу откуда там ascii
[09:33:01] Disаbler: .decode('...').encode('utf-8') - сильно.
[09:33:12] unk2k: http://dumpz.org/8970/
[09:33:23] unk2k: Disаbler, для верности
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[09:35:11] unk2k: в чем проблема ?
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[09:37:26] Disаbler: проблема в кодировке. на сколько я понимаю - ему надо ascii, а ты ему даёшь что то другое. надо привести к ascii кодировке.
[09:37:44] unk2k: я ему даю utf-9
[09:37:48] unk2k: utf-8
[09:37:59] Disаbler: мож utf-12? :D
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[09:38:22] unk2k: и все у меня там в utf-8, и соединение у меня в utf-8 и то что я ему даю в utf-8
[09:38:32] unk2k: да же база сама в utf-8
[09:39:03] Disаbler: something.encode('utf-8') или unicode(something,'utf-8')
[09:39:06] Stanislav Pugachev: unk2k, а база в какой кодировке создавалась
[09:39:13] Stanislav Pugachev: а бля туплю сори
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[09:39:24] unk2k: utf8_general_ci
[09:39:33] Stanislav Pugachev: седн день БД
[09:39:37] Stanislav Pugachev: походу
[09:39:53] cutwater: БД...СМ
[09:39:57] Disаbler: гг. всё. ушел ракуривать маны по постгресу.
[09:40:06] Disаbler: *раскуривать
[09:40:11] cutwater: успехов.
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[09:40:46] unk2k: может /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py отдебажить ?
[09:40:56] unk2k: так лень -( он такой большой
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[09:41:24] A2K: ты ему квери в утф8 даешь чтоли?
[09:41:33] unk2k: что?
[09:41:41] unk2k: квери = query ?
[09:41:45] A2K: да
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[09:42:50] unk2k: да
cursor.execute("""update test set title=%s where id=%s""", (ttt,eee)) - utf-8
ttt - utf-8
eee - utf-8
[09:43:11] unk2k: в ответ
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 0-17: ordinal not in range(128)
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[09:43:37] unk2k: если принт query сделать, то там все в ожуре выводит в utf-8
[09:44:08] Stanislav Pugachev: а принт разве не декодирует перед выводом?
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[09:44:32] Stanislav Pugachev: значения у тебя в утф-8 а строка сама в утф?
[09:44:47] Stanislav Pugachev: u"update test set title=%s where id=%s", (ttt,eee)
[09:44:50] Stanislav Pugachev: отак не поможет?
[09:45:02] unk2k: че че че ??
[09:45:02] Stanislav Pugachev: ой
[09:45:14] Stanislav Pugachev: вместо запятой % всмысле
[09:45:25] unk2k: нах?
[09:45:31] unk2k: запятая там =)
[09:45:38] Stanislav Pugachev: а нах там запятая?
[09:45:43] unk2k: execute(self,query,args*)
[09:45:55] Stanislav Pugachev: аа
[09:46:25] Stanislav Pugachev: ну паставь там перед query букву u - чо те жалко?)
[09:46:53] Stanislav Pugachev: """update test set title=%s where id=%s""" - это же не утф?
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[09:47:05] unk2k: а кто ?
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[09:47:11] Stanislav Pugachev: стринг
[09:47:38] unk2k: ну так это по любому стринг =)
[09:47:44] unk2k: я не прав ?
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[09:47:52] Stanislav Pugachev: а тебе нужен не стринг а юникоде-стринг
[09:48:20] Stanislav Pugachev: я конечно ночь не спал и могу пороть чепуху) но наскока я помню это ваще разные типы в питоне)
[09:48:31] unk2k: не помогло
[09:48:42] Stanislav Pugachev: от бля )
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[09:49:21] unk2k: >>> s = "111"
>>> q = """111"""
>>> type(s)
<type 'str'>
>>> type(q)
<type 'str'>
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[09:49:50] Stanislav Pugachev: ну вот видишь, тут тоже нада u лепить
[09:50:07] unk2k: все это очень интересно
[09:50:09] unk2k: но
[09:50:11] unk2k: =)
[09:50:15] Stanislav Pugachev: не рабоает?))
[09:50:27] unk2k: имхо надо рыть в библиотеку мускульдб
[09:50:44] unk2k: т.к. он хочет делать encode на ascii
[09:50:45] Stanislav Pugachev: по ламерски это )
[09:50:58] Stanislav Pugachev: списывать проблемы на драйвера и библиотеки)
[09:51:07] unk2k: ну...
[09:51:21] unk2k: я вообще читал что есть какие то проблемы у этой библ.
[09:51:41] Stanislav Pugachev: ascii он делает потому что это дефолтная питонова кодировка дял декодирования из утф-8
[09:51:57] unk2k: но они были связанны не с моей проблемой , так что я внимание не заострил
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[09:52:28] unk2k: чем кодировку кстати узнать можно ?
[09:52:44] Stanislav Pugachev: # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- поставь первой строчкой в скрипте
[09:53:11] unk2k: не
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[09:53:17] unk2k: кодировку данных в str
[09:53:48] Stanislav Pugachev: да я вообще.. поставь в начале скрипта эту фигню это переопределит дефолтную кодировку питона
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[09:53:54] Stanislav Pugachev: вместо asccii
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[09:57:02] unk2k: она стоит
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[09:57:12] unk2k: всегда =) я всегда ее ставлю
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[09:59:54] Stanislav Pugachev: >>> print sys.getdefaultencoding()
ascii
[10:00:05] Stanislav Pugachev: ну у теб utf-8 должнобыть поидее)
[10:00:55] unk2k: ага
[10:00:57] unk2k: то же аски
[10:01:01] unk2k: что за ?
[10:01:53] xa4a: !g joel unicode
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[10:02:12] xa4a: читать
[10:02:39] Stanislav Pugachev: дык правильно в консоли она у теб я будет asccii
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[10:02:50] Stanislav Pugachev: а если из скрипта то должна быть utf
[10:03:01] Stanislav Pugachev: может всетаки база создана не в утф?
[10:03:05] unk2k: # export
declare -x LANG="ru_RU.UTF-8"
[10:03:18] unk2k: я из скрипта показал
[10:03:29] Stanislav Pugachev: хм
[10:03:42] xa4a: лень перечитывать весь лог, в чём проблема?
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[10:05:03] unk2k: перечитай, в двух словах не описать
[10:05:21] unk2k: все в утф8 мускуль видет все в аски
[10:05:45] Stanislav Pugachev: да значит база не в утф
[10:06:31] unk2k: да хоть и не в утф (хотя она в утф) я передал ей директивы работы кодировки
[10:06:47] xa4a: Stanislav Pugachev: # -*- encoding: utf-8 -*- во-первых coding, во-вторых дефолтную кодировку не переопределяет
[10:06:54] Typhon: unk2k: а все-таки, что .decode('...') должно делать по-твоему?
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[10:07:05] xa4a: всё-таки зачем encode?
[10:07:23] xa4a: гоняй внутри программы всё в юникоде
[10:07:32] xa4a: пусть адаптеры сами кодируют
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[10:08:09] unk2k: Typhon, декодировать из (....) в кодировку программы
[10:08:40] unk2k: xa4a, данные берутся из вне
[10:09:06] Typhon: а, '...' -- это у тебя просто исходную кодировку обозначает, думал ты так и пишешь
[10:09:20] xa4a: unk2k: на входе в программу - данные декодировать, внутри программы везде работать с юникодом и только на выходе кодировать, если этого не делают библиотеки на конце твоей программы
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[10:09:55] unk2k: Typhon, не кодировку того, что я декодирую
[10:10:18] unk2k: xa4a, так все и работает сейчас
[10:10:34] unk2k: только мускульдб видит то что я ему посылаю в ascii хоть это и не так
[10:10:48] Большой Лис: http://www.securitylab.ru/news/380162.php
[10:10:53] Большой Лис: полный жЫсткачь
[10:11:09] Stanislav Pugachev: а type параметров что дает? перед тем как запрос посылаешь
[10:12:03] unk2k: <type 'lxml.etree._ElementUnicodeResult'>
<type 'unicode'>
<type 'unicode'>
<type 'long'>
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[10:14:10] Stanislav Pugachev: а для соединения кодировка устанавливается как-то?
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[10:14:23] Stanislav Pugachev: или для курсора как оно там
[10:14:43] unk2k: ругается на <type 'lxml.etree._ElementUnicodeResult'>
[10:14:50] unk2k: методом исключения понял
[10:14:59] Stanislav Pugachev: Большой Лис, судан и куба сцуко опасные
[10:15:09] unk2k: title = results[0].text_content()

[10:15:36] Stanislav Pugachev: ну да логично
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[10:15:49] unk2k: почему логично ?
[10:15:51] unk2k: =)
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[10:16:13] Stanislav Pugachev: ну потому что ожидается юникод а не ЭлементЮникодРезалт
[10:16:59] Stanislav Pugachev: title = unicode(results[0].text_content()) чо вернет?
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[10:19:30] Stanislav Pugachev: Ссылки по теме: Кнопка вызова полиции в Windows Live Messenger поможет поймать педофилов
[10:19:31] Stanislav Pugachev: ппц
[10:20:05] unk2k: все нори
[10:20:07] unk2k: норм
[10:20:13] Stanislav Pugachev: шо сделал?
[10:20:24] unk2k: title = unicode(results[0].text_content())
[10:20:31] Stanislav Pugachev: ясн
[10:20:34] unk2k: сс
[10:20:37] unk2k: спс
[10:20:40] unk2k: респект тебе
[10:20:48] unk2k: Stanislav Pugachev, 5+++
[10:21:14] Stanislav Pugachev: да лан.) незачто
[10:21:31] xa4a: о, на гисметео интерфейс обновили
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[10:22:08] Stanislav Pugachev: признавайтесь кто?)
[10:23:23] xa4a: X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13
[10:23:27] xa4a: это не отсюда)
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[10:24:26] xa4a: фак. там стоит nginx, а статика не кешируется. на каждую страницу - по 70 запросов
[10:24:43] xa4a: ещё и погода частенько врёт :\
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[10:41:05] Stanislav Pugachev: а чо яндекс не юзаешь?
[10:41:15] Stanislav Pugachev: у них вроде редко врет
[10:41:29] Stanislav Pugachev: точнее реже*
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[10:49:44] Stanislav Pugachev: а шо ж так) форум о питоне написан на пхп
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[10:50:48] xa4a: просто погода была уже когда-то
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[10:51:23] xa4a: сейчас, по ходу, поломалась
[10:51:25] xa4a: !weather
[10:51:41] xa4a: ну и ладно
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[10:52:22] xa4a: аэ
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[10:53:24] xa4a: !weather москва
[10:53:28] xa4a: во)
[10:53:36] Муркт: !weather Ытык-Кюэль
[10:53:48] cuprum13: !weather Ытык-Кюэль
[10:53:55] cuprum13: !weather Moscow
[10:54:00] xa4a: оно когда-то яндекс.погоду парсило
[10:54:10] cuprum13: (11:51:50) cuprum13: подскажите, в модуле datetime есть, готовая функция, возвращающая количество дней в месяце произвольной date?
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[10:55:34] Stanislav Pugachev: гыгы он ходил посмареть?)
[10:55:47] Stanislav Pugachev: !doc datetime
[10:55:53] Stanislav Pugachev: как там
[10:55:55] огыешсук is now Доступен
[10:55:59] Stanislav Pugachev: !help
[10:56:29] Stanislav Pugachev: !pydoc datetime
[10:56:42] Stanislav Pugachev: не нето)
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[10:57:11] Stanislav Pugachev: cuprum13, кароче в доку смари
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- За один вечер, в Химках, сотовый телефон сменил семерых владельцев. Причем двоих еще и пережил.
[10:58:31] cuprum13: =)
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[10:59:51] Typhon: cuprum13: calendar
[10:59:53] Typhon: ;)
[11:00:00] Typhon: calendar.monthrange
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[11:01:11] cuprum13: то, что нужно, спасибо уважаемый
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[11:09:43] unk2k: что это 'Мобильный кð¾Ð½Ñ‚еð½Ñ‚.'
[11:09:50] unk2k: unicode ?
[11:10:22] cuprum13: iso м.б.
[11:10:49] unk2k: как узнать ?
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[11:11:10] unk2k: Рўс‚атисѓс‚Рєр° Рїрѕ Рјс‚Сђрёс†Р°Рј Рѕр° Сђсѓсѓсѓрєрѕрј Сџр·С‹Рєрµ
[11:11:45] Большой Лис: это пипец :)
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[11:23:24] unk2k: Как сделать что бы <type 'unicode'> стал <type 'str'>??
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[11:24:36] xa4a: encode
[11:24:48] xa4a: unicode.encode
[11:24:59] unk2k: utf-8 ?
[11:25:12] =av=: у тебя уже строка в utf8
[11:25:24] xa4a: =av=: у него строка в юникоде
[11:25:33] xa4a: unk2k: зависит от того, что ты хочешь получить
[11:26:33] =av=: xa4a, только если тип unicode. Может у него там str с utf-ом ;)
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[11:26:39] unk2k: я вставляю в базу
title='Привет'
и все в ожуре
при том что type(title) == <type str>
а вот если я буду парсить lxml.html то он мне вернет <type unicocde>
и все будет в крикозябрах

[11:26:58] unk2k: скрипт у меня utf8
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[11:27:04] xa4a: unk2k: ты не в ту сторону копаешь
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[11:27:13] xa4a: тебе не надо из юникода делать стр
[11:27:15] xa4a: а наоборот
[11:27:21] xa4a: но так, чтобы правильная кодировка была
[11:27:21] =av=: unk2k, title = u'Привет' как минимум
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[11:27:28] xa4a: !g joel unicode
[11:27:32] xa4a: прочитайте же уже
[11:27:39] unk2k: уже читал
[11:27:46] unk2k: он там рассказывает что такое кодировка
[11:27:51] unk2k: это я и так знаю
[11:28:00] unk2k: а вот тонокости работы кодировки в питоне
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[11:28:06] xa4a: unk2k: никаких
[11:28:13] unk2k: угу
[11:28:22] unk2k: title = u'Привет' как пример
[11:28:22] xa4a: всё абсолютно логично с точки зрения того, что такое кодировка
[11:28:34] unk2k: unicode === utf-8 ?
[11:28:41] xa4a: Ааа1!!
[11:28:45] xa4a: прочитай ссылку!!!
[11:28:55] xa4a: ещё два раза
[11:28:56] unk2k: уже
[11:28:58] unk2k: час сидел
[11:29:20] xa4a: юникод - это буквы
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[11:29:23] xa4a: абстрактные понятия
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[11:29:37] xa4a: кодировки - это способы представления абстрактных букв последовательностями байт
[11:29:43] xa4a: utf-8 - одна из кодировок
[11:29:51] Большой Лис: с плавающей длинной
[11:29:52] Большой Лис: хочу заметить
[11:30:13] Большой Лис: может быть 2, 3 или 4 байта
[11:30:20] xa4a: когда ты получаешь последовательность байт - ты можешь узнать, что в них за абстрактные буквы раскодировав байты в соответствии с какой-то кодировкой
[11:30:32] xa4a: в зависимости от того, угадаешь ли кодировку - получишь крякозябры
[11:30:37] unk2k: это я и так знаю
[11:30:49] unk2k: проблему решил
[11:30:53] unk2k: методом подбора
[11:30:57] unk2k: вопрос остался
[11:30:59] xa4a: судя по (10:27:04) unk2k:
unicode === utf-8 ? -- не знаешь
[11:31:08] unk2k: вот тут и вопрос
[11:31:19] unk2k: =)
[11:31:22] unk2k: окей
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[11:31:32] unk2k: я проту эту статью еще 4 раза
[11:31:47] unk2k: я думаю разберусь, но если нет надеюсь на Вашу помощь.
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[12:13:55] xa4a: Текстовый редактор vim имеет два режима работы: в первом он пищит, а во втором — всё портит.
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[13:16:38] renyare: Всем привет. Вопрос: Есть грамматика. Нужно сгенерировать по ней парсер. При этом хочется, чтобы потом этот парсер был standalone, т.е. не требовал внешних зависимостей, типа всяких лексеров и т.п. Есть ли такие генераторы в природе?
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[13:17:32] unk2k: чего ?
[13:17:38] unk2k: по русский пожалуйста
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[13:20:17] огыешсук: renyare: а чего б не пройти по списку http://nedbatchelder.com/text/python-parsers.html да не попробовать?
[13:21:26] renyare: вот я и спрашиваю, чтобы не проходить - мб кто-то находил уже такой )
[13:21:41] Typhon: http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/ не?
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[13:22:51] renyare: там требуется сам pyparsing как внешняя зависимость
[13:22:57] xa4a: э..
[13:22:59] Typhon: а
[13:23:10] xa4a: а
[13:23:24] xa4a: не обязательно на питоне ведь?
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[13:24:50] renyare: ну, желательно. Не на питоне это надо компилировать будет наверняка. При компилировании либы не потребуются?
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[13:25:35] Typhon: а грамматика то сложная?
[13:25:36] xa4a: http://wiki.python.org/moin/LanguageParsing вот ещё список)
[13:27:05] renyare: грамматика вики-подобная. регекспами неинтересно )
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[13:34:11] xa4a: вышло ничо так
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[16:48:26] sevenov: _lorien, https://bitbucket.org/lorien/djaba/src/tip/blog/views.py#cl-83
[16:48:39] sevenov: request.COOKIES.get('EBLO_COMMENT_%s' ...
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[16:48:40] sevenov: :D
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[16:50:46] Большой Лис: гг
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[16:52:43] _lorien: ну да, название сменил, а кукисы не стал менять т.к. они уже комментаторам прописались
[16:52:45] _lorien: правда их всего один штука ))
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[17:23:07] лорд Морфий is now Из книги рекордов Гиннесса:
- За один вечер, в Химках, сотовый телефон сменил семерых владельцев. Причем двоих еще и пережил.
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[17:28:16] red-agent: блядь, у кого-то нормально работет demonoid.com из Ua?
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[17:30:47] bergamot: новую книжку лутца на русском не отсканировали еще?
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[17:51:28] slav0nic: на джанге никаких вменяемых wiki нет?
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[18:04:04] sevenov: slav0nic, что значит вменяемых? Есть куча туториалов simple wiki, с wiki-разметкой и логом эдитов.
[18:04:13] sevenov: в чем еще соль вики-систем?
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[18:04:38] slav0nic: ну вот это какраз невменяемые)
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[18:04:54] slav0nic: можно и блокнот юзать вместо офиса или ide
[18:05:04] slav0nic: уровня moinmoin
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[18:41:04] _lorien: короче скопировал через dd систему с thinkpad на целерончик десктопный, начинает debian грузиться и зависает. Почти сразу после загрузки ядра. В чём может быть причина? Вот щас выдало мульон надписей initramfs
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[18:47:23] pit is now ?
[18:48:11] unk2k: загрузись в сайфе
[18:48:19] unk2k: в грубе выбери
[18:48:25] unk2k: посмотри df
[18:48:25] pit is now ?
[18:48:30] unk2k: что у тебя с fs
[18:48:44] unk2k: если в сафе не грузит загрузись с дискетки (usb)
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[18:56:15] _lorien: после долгой паузы пишет /dev/sda2 des not exist
и ещё там есть /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off :-/
а как в сейфе загрузиться?
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[18:56:52] _lorien: sda2 - возможно это груб в конфиге смотрит... у меня то винт в ноуте был сата, а на компе он просто ide т.е. hda
[18:57:03] red-agent: const int*const Method3(const int*const&)const;
[18:57:12] red-agent: >__<
[18:57:12] bbodio: xD
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[18:58:43] unk2k: ты с ноута метотом dd скапировал на комп ?
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[18:59:02] unk2k: то есть ты уверен в том что твои два компа польностью идентичны ?
[18:59:08] _lorien: Да. Я подключил IDE винт через USB-коробку и скопировал.
[18:59:11] unk2k: начиная с процессора ?
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[18:59:26] _lorien: У меня ядро x86
[18:59:41] _lorien: Да при чём тут железо, я груб неправильно отконфигурял.
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[18:59:56] unk2k: зачем нужны исходники и почему их компилирую понимаешь ?
[19:00:23] unk2k: сильно удивлюсь если заработает
[19:00:33] unk2k: еще сильнее если все будет четко работать
[19:00:51] unk2k: быстрее тебе поставить из дистрибутива
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[19:04:38] _lorien: unk2k: загрузись в сайфе
что это значит?
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[19:05:02] unk2k: grub -> XXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxxx SAFE
[19:05:29] _lorien: э
[19:05:34] _lorien: чо за XXXXXXXXXXXxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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[19:07:39] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[19:07:40] unk2k: ,kz
[19:07:44] unk2k: система твоя
[19:07:56] unk2k: linux-generix 2.3..43.2.234.2342.
[19:07:57] _lorien: пойду лучше с гуглём пообщаюсь )
[19:08:12] unk2k: иди лучше за дистрибутивом и ставь с него
[19:08:21] _lorien: не, я хочу методом копирования
[19:08:26] pit is now ?
[19:08:30] unk2k: у тебя процы разные
[19:08:35] unk2k: железо разное
[19:08:39] unk2k: драйвера другие
[19:08:49] unk2k: архитектура другая
[19:08:51] _lorien: и что? у меня ядро дефолтное оно тучу гавномодулей грузит
[19:08:54] _lorien: шобы везде работало
[19:09:01] _lorien: архитектура x86
[19:09:01] unk2k: бля
[19:09:06] unk2k: так поставь из диста
[19:09:12] _lorien: я хочу копированием
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[19:09:14] unk2k: что ж ты себе моги та паришь
[19:09:18] unk2k: заняться что ли нечем ?
[19:09:21] _lorien: да
[19:09:25] _lorien: ещё вопросы? )
[19:09:28] unk2k: давай работу дам
[19:09:33] unk2k: у меня ее много
[19:09:37] unk2k: очень
[19:09:38] _lorien: давай, интересует парсинг ресурсов
[19:09:44] unk2k: во
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[19:09:53] unk2k: именно такой я и занимаюсь
[19:10:13] _lorien: пиши в жабер тогда :-) lorien@lorien.name
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[19:14:20] Большой Лис: хы
[19:14:23] Большой Лис: нашли друг друга
[19:14:24] Большой Лис: %)
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[19:15:25] red-agent: Большой Лис, меньше нам мозги ебать станут :D
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[19:23:18] Большой Лис: http://piranha.org.ua/blog/2009/05/25/byteflow-07/
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[19:23:21] Большой Лис: :D
[19:23:26] Большой Лис: пиранья жжот
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[19:27:02] pit: народ ? что вы знаете об этом http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/dns/py-dns.html
[19:27:03] red-agent: :D
[19:27:19] _lorien: трава
[19:27:19] pit: хорошая вещь ?
[19:27:49] red-agent: _lorien, да, трава у пираньи что нада :D
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[19:43:22] _lorien: ы, я понял как команду груба править ) гружууусь
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[20:03:24] _lorien: чё-то работы так и не дождался :D
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[20:08:18] sevenov: _lorien, ты видел сколько запросов в твоем eblog'e на страницу поста? ;-))
[20:08:30] pit is now ?
[20:10:01] sevenov: а, не. На post_list
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[20:13:00] sevenov: Ы, видали: http://hg.gajim.org/gajim ?
[20:13:07] _lorien: sevenov, нет, не видел
[20:13:24] _lorien: мне не жалко, могу больше сделать :D
[20:13:28] sevenov: _lorien, :D
[20:13:30] pit is now ?
[20:13:33] _lorien: :D
[20:13:49] sevenov: У тебя кол-во комментов считается при каждой итерации.
[20:14:04] Муркт: ыыы
[20:14:38] _lorien: куда apt-get засасывает пакеты никто не знает? )
[20:14:49] sevenov: _lorien, /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:14:59] bergamot: в кеш. Так то
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[20:15:18] _lorien: фак, это в мане было )
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[20:16:45] bergamot: time
[20:16:48] bergamot: !t
[20:16:59] sevenov: bergamot, !bergamot
[20:17:01] sevenov: :D
[20:17:57] bergamot: спасибо за приятное общение, но уже пора спать
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[21:22:41] unk2k: как получить список все ip которые смотрят в интернет ?
[21:24:04] bbodio: кхм
[21:24:36] unk2k: как получить просто список всех ip ?
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[21:24:50] unk2k: средствами питона
[21:24:56] unk2k: ос linux
[21:25:12] unk2k: гугл однозначного ответа не дал
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[21:26:22] xa4a: ifconfig
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[21:28:02] unk2k: средствами питона
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[21:28:46] tilarids: popen
[21:29:34] red-agent: из /proc/net/dev вытягиваешь имена всех интерфейсов
[21:29:49] red-agent: а как получить ip из имени интерфейса - гугли
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[21:31:09] unk2k: как из интерфейса ip я знаю
[21:31:29] red-agent: Ну вот и все. В чем вопрос в таком случае?
[21:31:30] tilarids: вариант. Я вот как раз искал,где в прок оно лежит
[21:31:31] unk2k: # ls /porc/net/dev
ls: /porc/net/dev: No such file or directory
[21:31:46] tilarids: unk2k, сейчас тебя обольют грязью :)
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[21:32:06] red-agent: unk2k, lol
[21:32:08] _lorien is now online
[21:32:09] red-agent: proc
[21:32:11] red-agent: а не porc
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[21:32:12] unk2k: tilarids, догадываюсь
[21:32:13] tilarids: не, оборут
[21:32:15] red-agent: /me пацталом
[21:32:23] tilarids: удивительно
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[21:32:31] tilarids: red-agent не стал ругаться, а упал под стол
[21:32:39] bbodio: это калька с "porn - pron"
[21:32:40] _lorien is now online
[21:32:47] red-agent: Я просто колес шлепнул.
[21:32:47] bbodio: tilarids: +1
[21:32:49] red-agent: 2 штуки
[21:32:52] unk2k: ладно
[21:32:55] unk2k: лейте
[21:32:58] unk2k: вопрос такой
[21:33:05] unk2k: eth0:3741518977 2969566447 0 0 3364456 0 0 0 282776041 2995686019 0 0 0 0 0 0
lo:2284168018 1593085550 0 0 0 0 0 0 2284168018 1593085550 0 0 0 0 0
[21:33:09] unk2k: ifconfig
[21:33:23] unk2k: # ifconfig -s
Iface MTU Met RX-OK RX-ERR RX-DRP RX-OVR TX-OK TX-ERR TX-DRP TX-OVR Flg
eth0 1500 0 2969573295 0 0 3364456 2995693471 0 0 0 BMRU
eth0: 1500 0 - no statistics available - BMRU
eth0: 1500 0 - no statistics available - BMRU
lo 16436 0 1593086904 0 0 0 1593086904 0 0 0 LRU
lo:us 16436 0 - no statistics available - LRU

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[21:34:14] xa4a: "ладно, лейте"
[21:34:22] xa4a: /me полез за банолейкой
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[21:34:36] unk2k: xa4a, я трафик делаю
[21:34:44] unk2k: ты каждый день за ней лезишь
[21:34:49] unk2k: *е
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[21:36:04] xa4a: ты трафик делаешь в канал
[21:36:12] xa4a: вместо того, чтобы делать его в dumpz.org
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[21:41:10] unk2k: как получить порядковый номер последнего элемента который я вставил append*(
[21:41:12] unk2k: ?
[21:41:47] bbodio: len(myList)-1 ?
[21:42:04] unk2k: а если я один из элементов удалил ?
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[21:42:21] bbodio: непоследний?
[21:42:31] sevenov: я что-то не понял? Это канал "об аниме"?
[21:42:47] unk2k: угу
[21:42:49] unk2k: непоследний
[21:42:59] bbodio: len(myList)-1
[21:43:03] unk2k: ок
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[21:43:05] unk2k: спс
[21:43:07] bbodio: он все равно же последний в списке
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[21:46:06] unk2k: где мне почитать доку на русском про except ?
[21:46:45] xa4a: !python except документация
[21:46:55] xa4a: !g python except документация
[21:47:14] red-agent: unk2k, а десяток строк официальной документации тебе не в моготу прочесть? :)
[21:47:30] unk2k: могут
[21:47:34] unk2k: но я прочел
[21:47:39] unk2k: и них**я не понял
[21:47:42] bbodio: омг
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[21:47:53] bbodio: тогда ничем тебе не поможет никто
[21:48:04] unk2k: да же деньгами ?
[21:48:07] bbodio: бери и понимай!
[21:48:12] _lorien: translate.google.com поможет
[21:48:18] unk2k: спасибо
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[21:48:26] bbodio: а, вы о трудностях с английским.
[21:48:36] unk2k: _lorien, моя домашняя страница
[21:48:50] xa4a: unk2k: попробуй wolfram alpha
[21:48:55] _lorien: )
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[21:49:14] _lorien: интересно, если спросить у него "42" сервер взорвётся?
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[21:51:24] red-agent: Блядь, Eclipse/CDT уже заебал своими тупняками.
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[21:54:33] sevenov: tilarids, вот как мир тесен. Эт пиздец )
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[22:00:20] =av=: /me ушел пинать ногами hamachi чтоб достучаться до дохлого openvpn клиента
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[22:25:45] tilarids: sevenov,
?
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[22:26:33] sevenov: tilarids, arch
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[22:27:51] tilarids: sevenov, enemy?
[22:28:08] sevenov: угу
[22:28:22] tilarids: ага
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[22:49:21] sevenov: http://cs4132.vkontakte.ru/u16212208/37844211/x_522580ad.jpg
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[23:01:32] sevenov: http://blog.dispatched.ch/2009/05/24/vim-as-python-ide/ -- еще один
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[23:08:03] Большой Лис: боян таки
[23:08:15] Большой Лис: хача скидывал дня два, три назад
[23:08:26] xa4a: вчера, вроде, да
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[23:11:27] Большой Лис: да?
[23:11:30] Большой Лис: ну
[23:11:35] Большой Лис: ...
[23:11:37] Большой Лис: палюбому байан
[23:11:47] Большой Лис: %)
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[23:13:12] Муркт: Большой Лис: не мог два или три дня назад скидывать, там дата стоит вчерашняя
[23:13:56] Большой Лис: whatever, хача точно скидывал
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[23:16:49] Муркт: я ж не спорю :)
[23:17:10] xa4a: !trans dispatched
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[23:40:01] sevenov: >GenuineIntel, Intel(R) Pentium(R) 5 CPU 2.66GHz
Что-то как-то странно =/
[23:40:21] sevenov: Pentium 5?
5 CPU?
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