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[00:07:15] xa4a: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-pictures-firefox-has-new-add-on.jpg
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[00:07:31] piranha: блин
[00:07:35] piranha: вот документирование почему-то такое нудное %)
[00:07:43] piranha: только начинаешь - сразу отвлекаешься ;)))
[00:09:59] xa4a: и тесты..
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[01:09:12] tilarids: http://dumpz.org/9304/
[01:09:21] tilarids: Прикольное вообще поведение :)
[01:09:30] tilarids: ipython на таком вообще валится
[01:10:43] xa4a: а чо
[01:10:47] xa4a: я б на таком тоже валился
[01:10:49] xa4a: на его месте
[01:12:02] tilarids: фигассе
[01:12:06] tilarids: где это видано
[01:12:11] tilarids: это ж шелл
[01:12:19] tilarids: он должен сказать, что случилось
[01:12:21] tilarids: а не падать
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[01:14:29] xa4a: eval('not '*1386 + 'True')
[01:14:33] xa4a: потом 1486
[01:14:36] xa4a: и 1586
[01:14:39] piranha: оу, учаснеги
[01:14:41] piranha: как клево, что вы не спите
[01:14:47] piranha: http://dumpz.org/9305/ - есть идеи, втф?
[01:15:26] xa4a: ты пытаешься собрать so как executable?
[01:15:32] piranha: я?
[01:15:36] xa4a: и оно соотв пытается найти в нём main, которого нет
[01:15:46] piranha: хммм
[01:15:48] piranha: это вот -o?
[01:15:53] piranha: xa4a: и как поправить?
[01:16:24] piranha: щас мейкфайл покажу
[01:16:56] xa4a: -shared does not work on OSX; use -dynamiclib instead.
[01:17:01] piranha: http://prosody.im/source/browse/?file/tip/Makefile
[01:17:03] piranha: оу
[01:17:07] piranha: мазафака
[01:17:28] xa4a: первый линк по Undefined symbols: "_main" __start in crt1.o)
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[01:19:06] piranha: ага
[01:21:25] piranha: xa4a: собралось, хохо
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[01:22:33] xa4a: кому ещё это знать, как не гентушникам 8)
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[01:24:20] piranha: )))
[01:24:21] piranha: нет слов
[01:25:19] piranha: ELPA рулит
[01:25:22] piranha: это капец
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[01:35:44] piranha: http://thisisphotobomb.com/2009/05/26/photobomb-that-guy-epic-vom-bom/
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[02:30:34] зайкино_радость: мммм, вопрос есть самы простой... кно нить может дать ссылку на рабочий пример мультикаста основанный на модуле socket для 2.5, ато уж запарился, сколько б не рыскал в гугле ничего не получается... Клиент и сервер должны как принимать, так и отправлять сообщения
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[02:32:27] зайкино_радость: дело в том, что когда биндю на any то sendto посылает куда то, неизвестно куда)
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[02:57:54] A2K: ого
[02:57:57] A2K: бывает же...
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[03:05:24] зайкино_радость: бывает... recvfrom не проходит\. ладно, сделаю брудкастом
[03:05:37] зайкино_радость: и не буду мучацо))
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[03:11:43] A2K: я не о том
[03:12:55] зайкино_радость: ясно
[03:13:05] зайкино_радость: а о чём?)
[03:13:20] red-agent: зайкино_радость, у тебя пайтон собран с документацией?
[03:13:27] red-agent: в таком случае locate mcast.py
[03:14:00] red-agent: не помню точно, где он валяется. где-то в /usr/share/doc/pythonXXX/...
[03:14:05] зайкино_радость: та уж пробовал это... не глупый, на винде оно всё равно не пахаит как надо)
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[03:14:39] red-agent: на винде много чего не работает как надаю
[03:14:44] red-agent: а raw сокетов там вообще нет.
[03:14:51] A2K: наверное первый раз за несколько месяцев вижу чтобы сюда кто-то зашел с серьёзным вопросом, а не с джангой какой-нибудь
[03:15:43] зайкино_радость: вот то то и оно, что сдавать то на винде придёца
[03:15:58] red-agent: в чем конкретно загвоздка?
[03:15:59] зайкино_радость: а зачёт ужс как хоца)
[03:16:36] зайкино_радость: если вешаешь на localhost сокет то sendto проходит замечательно) но то налагает некоторые ограничения)
[03:16:53] red-agent: ну понятно.
[03:16:55] зайкино_радость: на any просто улетают пакетики куда то)
[03:17:07] red-agent: скорее всего в бродкаст улетают
[03:17:14] зайкино_радость: мбмб кстате
[03:17:23] red-agent: так отсниффь.
[03:17:57] зайкино_радость: ну поидее между мультикастом и бродкастом разницы никакой не будет на сетевом обрудовании , если igmp политики нету никакой, а вот на терминальном оборудовании будет)
[03:18:20] зайкино_радость: издеваетесь) я два дня не спал, лучше сделаю брудкастом, он точно работает)
[03:18:42] red-agent: Ну, я исхожу из того, что мое предположение насчет бродкаста может быть и не верно. =)
[03:18:54] red-agent: И не известно вообще куда улетают пакеты и улетают ли вообще.
[03:19:11] зайкино_радость: мб, а может и верно, потом как нить проверю ради интереса)
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[03:19:21] red-agent: Хозяин - барин.
[03:19:26] зайкино_радость: надо было сразу на с++ писать, но вот питон куда больше рулед)
[03:20:19] red-agent: Тогда /me ретируется чтобы провалиться обратно в свой анабиоз.
[03:20:40] зайкино_радость: не надо)
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[06:49:22] _lorien: Connecting to server...
Looking for someone you can chat with. Hang on.
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: i'm f 18 wanna cyber
You: who? )
Stranger: wanna cyber
You: sorry don't understand )) My english sucks
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[06:49:37] _lorien: /me тыкает палочкой omegle.com
[06:50:07] _lorien: Connecting to server...
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Stranger: hi
Stranger: asl?
You: hi :)
You: asl? wtf?
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[06:55:12] _lorien: заебца, с каким-то китайцем разговорился :)
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[07:26:25] лорд Морфий: привет усем
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[07:27:15] лорд Морфий: а никто не подскажет, как инвертировать байт, те первый бит поменять с поледний, и так далее
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[07:32:14] лорд Морфий: кроме как простой цикл не получается никак, а неужели быстрее нельзя
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[07:59:35] лорд Морфий: def r(a):
re=0
for i in xrange(8):
a,b = divmod(a,2)
re = re*2+b
return re
[07:59:41] лорд Морфий: вот чего получилось ;)
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[08:42:21] _lorien: Stranger: r u reppin the red white and blue
Stranger: ?
You: I am quit slow! ))
You: Because I am not native speaker )
You: And I don't know that reppin does mean )
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[08:43:39] _lorien: You: hihihi )
Stranger: hi
Stranger: u from?
You: russia! )
You: and you?
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[08:50:13] xa4a: лорд Морфий: если хочется эффективно — Algorithms for programmers: 1.13 Reversing the bits of a word
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[08:53:32] _lorien: какой-то шизанутый америкос попался )
[08:53:39] _lorien: Stranger: look rusky
Stranger: feast on a peniks
Stranger: then take a glass of wodka
Stranger: and kiss my ass on teh way out
You: lol you are funny )
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[08:57:35] лорд Морфий: xa4a: спасибо - щас гляну
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[09:03:15] xa4a: _lorien: судям по логам, америкосы-то как раз нормальные..)
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[09:10:45] _lorien: чо он сказал то? )
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[09:14:05] _lorien: You: Usuall I am fucking with python
Stranger: what the fuck
Stranger: wow
You: ))
Stranger: lo
You: that is computer programming language )
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[09:26:02] _lorien: чо никто не переведёт мне лирику америкоса? )
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[10:52:18] mr.oduvan: всем привет
[10:52:25] _lorien: hi
[10:52:28] mr.oduvan: у когото таоке когда нить было?
[10:52:29] _lorien: how are things?
[10:52:36] _lorien: what exactly?
[10:53:01] mr.oduvan: что первый запрос к станд алоун серверу всегда возвращает InternalError
[10:53:05] _lorien: yes
[10:53:16] _lorien: I had similar error on flup & freebsd
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[10:54:15] mr.oduvan: так у меня это на кокретном проекте... все остальные работаю нрмально
[10:54:15] _lorien: wtf standalone? runserver?
[10:54:22] mr.oduvan: да
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[10:55:23] mr.oduvan: вот я ихотел узнать, что я мог проекте зацепить такого страшного, что оно теперь так ругается?
[10:55:47] _lorien: Do you see any error tracebacks in the console where you have launched the standalone server?
[10:58:47] mr.oduvan: get_user(request)
[10:59:11] mr.oduvan: вот в принципе на этом ватится могу скинуть щас весь стек
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[11:00:13] _lorien: so you have broken get_user :D
[11:00:14] mishok13: _lorien, это не тот канал, на котором стоит тестировать свое знание английского?
[11:00:28] _lorien: mishok13, I don't know
[11:00:45] mishok13: что у меня со знаками препинания творится, блин
[11:00:53] mr.oduvan: mishok13, пофиг главное, чтоб помог
[11:00:55] mishok13: _lorien, попробуй фринод
[11:00:58] mishok13: :)
[11:01:12] _lorien: mishok13, I found omegle.com :D
[11:01:30] _lorien: уже три часа пизжу там :D
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[11:02:12] mr.oduvan: расскажите мне.. как я его успел сломать?
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[11:04:34] _lorien: ну это что-то самописное может быть?
[11:04:38] _lorien: А где трейсбек?
[11:06:34] mr.oduvan: http://pastebin.com/m31105574
[11:07:18] Муркт: по трейсбеку обычно не видно корень такой проблемы
[11:07:37] mr.oduvan: ну как оказалось
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[11:08:18] _lorien: транзакции
[11:08:27] Муркт: я бы даже сказал - сессии
[11:08:32] _lorien: может ты забыл таблицу создать или поле создать в таблице...
[11:08:44] mr.oduvan: ))) вы знакомые слова понаходили с трейсбеке?
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[11:08:46] Муркт: _lorien: не, оно ж со второго раза проходит
[11:08:57] _lorien: а )
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[11:09:16] Муркт: когда оно достаёт сессии в первый раз - глючит
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[11:09:34] Муркт: mr.oduvan: попробуй выполнить этот же запрос через runshell
[11:09:53] Муркт: хотя он почти наверняка выполнится, и толку с того не будет
[11:10:41] mr.oduvan: прости, а как выполнить этот ззапрос черерз runshell?
[11:12:00] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
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[11:12:10] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
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[11:12:18] Муркт: mr.oduvan: поставь принт где-нибудь посмотреть что ж там вызывается
[11:12:31] Муркт: а то мне лень высматривать и говорить =)
[11:12:39] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[11:12:46] _lorien: I have idea
[11:13:03] _lorien: Надо отлючить все приложения, всё отключать до тех пор пока не исчезнет ошибка
[11:13:07] _lorien: потом постепенно включать )
[11:13:11] Муркт: /me не общался с джангой уже больше года
[11:13:14] mr.oduvan: Муркт про принт конечно очень круто звучит, но я опять ничего не понл
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[11:13:25] _lorien: mr.oduvan, отрубай там всё нахер )
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[11:13:33] Муркт: да? ну тогда делай то что лориен говорит
[11:13:36] _lorien: все приложения и их мидлвари )
[11:13:52] mishok13: а в джанге нету дебага как в веркзеуге/пилонсах?
[11:14:08] mishok13: типа, прямо в браузере, с консолькой и прочей шнягой?
[11:14:21] mr.oduvan: эй... между прочим у этих приложений есть семья, дети, домашняя конорейка, в конце концов
[11:14:27] огыешсук: django-debug-toolbar?
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[11:14:45] Муркт: mr.oduvan: нет такого слова в олфовите
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[11:15:08] piranha: mishok13: есть веркцойг собсна
[11:15:25] piranha: включаешь его своим дев-сервером и будет дебаг с консолькой
[11:15:30] mishok13: о как
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[11:16:29] mr.oduvan: блин... я так и знал... но подсознательно боялся осознать
[11:16:40] mr.oduvan: photologue
[11:17:00] mr.oduvan: но... на других проектах он работает отличн..
[11:17:16] _lorien: м.б. там другая ревизия?
[11:17:22] _lorien: это фотологуе
[11:17:33] _lorien: * этого
[11:17:34] mr.oduvan: не... все юзаем одну
[11:18:02] _lorien: попробуй пересоздать таблицы этого приложения
[11:18:03] mr.oduvan: ладно... понятно что проблема не типичная..
[11:18:06] mr.oduvan: закатываем рукава...
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[11:18:27] mr.oduvan: открываем олфовит
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[11:21:29] _lorien: и хаваем, хаваем его!
[11:21:36] _lorien: витамины такие есть :D
[11:22:08] _lorien: /me прёт после бессонной ночи )
[11:22:27] mr.oduvan: и он гугли все напонятные слова
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[11:24:59] xa4a-m: Э
[11:25:11] xa4a-m: Кто такой витязь?
[11:25:20] mr.oduvan: ))))))))))))))))))
[11:25:27] slav0nic: )
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[11:26:04] mr.oduvan: http://www.hcvityaz.ru/
[11:26:17] xa4a-m: А то чо-то его снова вспоминают
[11:26:25] mr.oduvan: где??
[11:26:30] mr.oduvan: свои в городе!!!
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[11:42:48] xa4a-m: Ну.. Тут
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[12:04:39] mr.oduvan: оказывается секрет был в чтении документации
[12:04:43] mr.oduvan: Tagging functionality requires the popular django-tagging application.
[12:05:14] piranha: лол
[12:05:17] piranha: лоооооооол
[12:05:26] piranha: в код смотреть можно перед использованием
[12:05:41] mr.oduvan: ??
[12:05:55] Муркт: lol
[12:06:12] mr.oduvan: нет.... ну еслиб я писал модуль...
[12:06:28] mr.oduvan: то я бы выдал эксепшн... типа а мудилек мне еще нужен...
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[12:06:51] mr.oduvan: а не блин интернал этот на уровне бд
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[12:35:50] piranha: в каком питоне появились явные относительные импорты? типа import .utils
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[12:39:22] sevenov: уж ты, круто
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[12:39:34] piranha: что?
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[12:39:59] mishok13: 2.5?
[12:40:04] xa4a-m: Что крутого?
[12:40:13] piranha: mishok13: эх, обыдно
[12:40:38] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.5.html#pep-328-absolute-and-relative-imports
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[12:41:57] piranha: ага
[12:42:00] piranha: сенк
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[12:50:30] Большой Лис: self.__params.update(dict([(k.replace('_', '-'), value[k].encode('utf-8') if isinstance(value[k], unicode) else value[k]) for k in value.keys()]))
[12:50:40] Большой Лис: как бы "облегчить" сие
[12:50:42] mishok13: падонак
[12:51:00] mr.oduvan: хвастается
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[12:51:59] Большой Лис: ну или хотя бы записать так, что бы это читать можно было
[12:52:01] Большой Лис: хоть как то
[12:52:06] Большой Лис: (:
[12:52:53] Муркт: Большой Лис: вынеси создание дикта в отдельную строку, убери квадратные скобки - тут и генератор подойдёт
[12:53:46] mishok13: оно всё равно будет занимать дохера места :)
[12:54:07] Муркт: но будет лучше немного
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[12:54:51] Муркт: Большой Лис: value это тоже дикт?
[12:54:52] mishok13: можно и не проверять isinstance'ом
[12:55:08] Большой Лис: Муркт, да
[12:55:12] mishok13: dict((key.replace('_', '-'), val.encode('utf-8')) for key, val in value.iteritems())
[12:55:15] Большой Лис: mishok13, а как? там не тока стринги попадаются
[12:55:23] Муркт: mishok13: угу.
[12:55:24] mishok13: а что еще?
[12:55:31] Большой Лис: datetime напирмер
[12:55:36] Муркт: я тоже это хотел сказать
[12:55:54] Большой Лис: они кидает exception AttributeError: 'datetime.date' object has no attribute 'encode'
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[12:57:14] piranha: напиши функцию, которая будет делать
[12:57:26] piranha: не обязательно все эти ифы хранить в LC
[12:57:53] piranha: def encode(value):
try:
return value.encode('utf-8')
except AtrErr: return value
[12:57:57] piranha: ну или что тебе надо
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[12:58:29] Большой Лис: вариант
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[13:01:22] Большой Лис: как лучше

try:
return value.encode('utf-8')
except AttributeError:
return value
или
return value.encode('utf-8') if isinstance(value, unicode) else value
[13:02:08] piranha: первое имхо идеологически правильнее ;)
[13:02:20] piranha: и если у тебя строк значительно больше, то будет быстрее
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[13:04:06] Большой Лис: ща замерим %)
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[13:08:06] Большой Лис: http://dumpz.org/9311/
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[13:10:29] Svoloch: есть какой модуль для облегчения генерации xml? желательно полноценный DOM и XPath запросы
[13:11:28] mishok13: lxml
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[13:12:11] mr.oduvan: если только для генерации
[13:12:27] mr.oduvan: то помоему самописное будет весить строк 7
[13:13:42] mishok13: самописное -- 7 строк?
[13:13:50] mishok13: с DOM и XPath?
[13:13:56] mishok13: это буду ооочень длинные строки
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[13:14:17] Svoloch: я вот тоже думал насчёт % join, но потом подумал, а вдруг придётся составлять более сложное дерево
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[13:14:42] mr.oduvan: Дум и икспас - это же для парсинга, нет?
[13:14:53] Муркт: mr.oduvan: какой дум?
[13:15:00] Муркт: Дум - это чтоб монстров поубивать
[13:15:03] mr.oduvan: прости ДОМ
[13:15:12] mishok13: XPath для парсинга
[13:15:42] mishok13: DOM -- способ представления XML
[13:15:46] Svoloch: dom для составления, xpath для определения места для вставки новой ветки
[13:16:19] Svoloch: я вообщето привык работать с браузерными DOM
[13:17:08] Svoloch: xml надо будет как составлять так и парсить
[13:17:31] Svoloch: судя по мануалам lxml мне подойдёт
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[13:27:50] mr.oduvan: django.contrib.flatpages
[13:27:58] mr.oduvan: юзал ктото нормальный?
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[13:28:41] mr.oduvan: ну... ап этото нормальный.. нет никаких сюрпризов?
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[15:21:08] Муркт: http://www39.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Are+you+skynet%3F
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[15:23:58] meticulos.slacker: как имортировать модуль имея его имя в строковой переменной?
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[15:24:35] Большой Лис: meticulos.slacker, __import__
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[15:24:51] mishok13: meticulos.slacker, __import__, importlib, zope'овские либы
[15:25:23] mishok13: в порядке усложнения семантики и в обратном порядке возможностей :)
[15:25:41] meticulos.slacker: спс )
[15:25:46] meticulos.slacker: всем )
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[16:27:10] sevenov: $ echo "camelCase" | sed -r 's/([a-z]+)([A-Z][a-z]+)/\1_\l\2/g' :)
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[16:27:48] xa4a: ням
[16:28:06] sevenov: надо на #java зайти ^__^
[16:28:26] xa4a: э
[16:28:35] xa4a: echo "camelCaseLaLaLa" | sed -r 's/([a-z]+)([A-Z][a-z]+)/\1_\l\2/g' =>> camel_caseLa_laLa
[16:28:37] xa4a: fail
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[16:29:29] sevenov: черт )
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[16:29:46] xa4a: echo "camelCaseLaLaLa" | sed -r 's/([a-z])([A-Z])/\1_\l\2/g'camel_case_la_la_la
[16:29:52] xa4a: s/+//
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[16:32:07] sevenov: да
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[16:35:03] mishok13: гыгы, круто
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[16:35:38] sevenov: curl -s http://code.google.com/p/matrix-toolkits-java/source/browse/trunk/src/no/uib/cipr/matrix/AbstractMatrix.java | sed -r 's/([a-z]+)([A-Z][a-z])/\1_\l\2/g' >> /tmp/fuck.html -- красота
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[16:39:23] sevenov: Охох
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[16:39:31] sevenov: ладно, зуй с ним :)
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[17:06:44] xa4a: sevenov: а зуй т.к. ты просто s/+// сделол
[17:06:51] xa4a: у меня там ещё исправление было
[17:07:15] sevenov: я не помню уже. Лень думать.
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[17:46:00] xa4a: /me потыкал _lorien
[17:46:03] xa4a: You need last development version of django to use this application.
[17:46:13] xa4a: diff 'last' 'latest'
[17:46:17] xa4a: (django-captcha)
[17:46:27] _lorien: django-captcha is dead
[17:46:41] _lorien: I am using supercaptcha )
[17:46:56] _lorien: You can find it on bitbucket.org
[17:47:00] xa4a: нуэ. снеси его, а то оно в гугле первыми несколькимя линками идёт)
[17:47:06] _lorien: :D
[17:47:33] _lorien: надо подумать, шо-то рука не поднимается )
[17:48:04] mr.oduvan: django-captch - не юзать?
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[17:49:56] mr.oduvan: _lorien а где можно глнуть примерчики?
[17:50:01] mr.oduvan: суперкапчи?
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[17:50:31] xa4a: !g supercaptcha
[17:50:32] _lorien: mr.oduvan, если работает, то юзай, почему бы и нет )
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[17:50:55] _lorien: http://pydev.ru/account/registration/
пример
[17:51:04] mr.oduvan: не.. еще ничо не работает
[17:51:12] mr.oduvan: я просто на случа, когда надо бует
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[18:08:23] xa4a: э..
[18:08:27] xa4a: _lorien: All you need, to get captcha working is properly configured cache backend and
[18:08:36] xa4a: как проще всего cache backend?
[18:09:13] xa4a: locmem?
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[18:10:49] _lorien: CACHE_BACKEND = 'file:///tmp/my-super-domain-name'
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[18:38:20] sevenov: А почему мне никто не рассказывал про ipdb, а? :-)
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[18:42:58] Муркт: sevenov: ну раз тебе никто не рассказал, то расскажи ты остальным
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[18:43:16] sevenov: Муркт, уже рассказал )
[18:43:22] Муркт: молчишь
[18:43:28] Муркт: расскажи подробнее =)
[18:43:31] sevenov: import ipdb а дальше сами =)
[18:43:45] sevenov: Тот же pdb, только цветной :)
[18:43:57] Муркт: у меня говорит импортэррор
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[18:45:31] sevenov: easy_install ipdb.
Он кагбэ не дефолтовый )
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[18:46:13] Муркт: sevenov: ну так ipython у меня стоит, и из него %debug делает ipdb
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[18:47:14] sevenov: хм, а я доставлял
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[18:47:22] sevenov: и ipython тоже стоял
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[18:52:19] niro|by: [django] чтобы добавить в админку какой-нибудь js/css нужно обязательно править шаблон админки?
[18:53:20] _lorien: нет, можно прицепить эти файлы к форме
[18:53:35] _lorien: ну там как-то хитро можно, не помню подробностей
[18:53:43] _lorien: читай про админку, про формы, где-то было :o)
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[18:54:39] niro|by: ок, спасибо
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[19:33:23] Stanislav Pugachev: ктонить на терминатор 4 уже ходил?
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[19:49:15] Svoloch: напомните как объеденить два тупля в один
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[19:49:52] bbodio: + ?
[19:50:12] Большой Лис: >>> (1,2) + (3,4)
(1, 2, 3, 4)
[19:50:32] bbodio: фиг догадаешся :)
[19:50:45] Svoloch: спасибо
[19:50:54] Dorfe: (cons (car t) (cdr t))
[19:50:56] Dorfe: !
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[19:53:55] Jego.ruS: имеем объект Tuple: a='abc', 'sdf', 'dfg'
если написать 'abc' in a, то выдаст True.
А как узнать _индекс_ этого элемента кроме метода перебора?
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[19:57:55] Typhon: что за хуйня то началась? " Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org" же
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[20:55:10] xa4a: эээ
[20:55:23] xa4a: про индекс в тупле вопрос некорректный, в общем случае
[20:56:28] piranha: xa4a: почему?
[20:56:57] xa4a: это подразумевает, что все члены тупла развнозначны
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[20:57:25] xa4a: а в этом случае надо использовать список
[20:57:41] piranha: ага, в принципе да
[20:57:59] piranha: меня в этом случае малость напрягает то, что в джанге аппликухи и миддлвари по дефолту - тупли
[20:58:02] piranha: это ж тупо
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[21:11:08] jedgar: а что, тем что тупли - инмьютабл, а лист - мьютабл, нигде не пользуются?
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[21:11:27] piranha: jedgar: в каком плане не пользуются?
[21:11:56] jedgar: ну хз, типа имитация сишного const
[21:12:16] piranha: ммм
[21:12:30] piranha: ну я не могу похвастаться тем, что все понял, но в принципе вроде бы пользуются :)
[21:12:43] piranha: т.е. кагбе да %)
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[21:13:45] jedgar: если запоминать id объекта, то ведь можно вычислить что тупль подменили? хотя не надежно
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[21:16:56] piranha: jedgar: хм, я только сегодня говорил с чуваком, который порывался везде чекать типы, типа то ли нам приехало
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[21:17:01] piranha: и вот твои слова о нем сильно напоминают
[21:17:14] piranha: зачем вычислять, что подменили тупль? :)
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[21:18:09] jedgar: для отладки например
[21:18:21] piranha: эээ
[21:18:25] piranha: приведи этот самый пример?
[21:18:29] piranha: я что-то не улавливаю вообще
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[21:19:08] jedgar: я щас почитал ссылку выше про isinstance - эк, человека за живое цапнуло :)
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[21:20:53] jedgar: ну мало ли какие случаи бывают
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[21:26:18] piranha: jedgar: за три года не бывало таких случаев
[21:26:20] piranha: :-)
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[21:27:35] jedgar: piranha: за три года не было проблем с трудноуловимыми багами, связанными с большой гибкостью языка?
[21:28:28] Муркт: не было ни разу
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[21:28:53] piranha: хм, я кажись могу вспомнить
[21:29:04] piranha: в работе с бд у джанги я нашел такой
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[21:29:13] piranha: но с таким кодом, как там, никакой питон не был нужен
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[21:29:32] piranha: ну да и там постолько посколько оно было, питон просто не говорил, что приехал не нужный, но похожий объект
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[21:30:07] piranha: но трудноуловимый он был чисто потому, что я первый раз в тот код залезал, его там было много, и я потратил наверное с час на разбирание
[21:30:30] piranha: в общем я б тоже сказал, что нет
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[21:56:29] xa4a: теперь есть
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[22:23:57] mr.oduvan: а pydev.ru
[22:24:04] mr.oduvan: это чей?
[22:24:09] mr.oduvan: ясть тут кто?
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[22:25:55] xa4a: лоьен, вроде
[22:25:57] xa4a: р
[22:26:17] slav0nic: витязя
[22:26:19] slav0nic: )
[22:26:27] xa4a: Если у вас есть предложения, замечания или вопросы по работе сайта, вы можете найти меня тут:
[22:26:42] xa4a: и дальше контакты
[22:27:50] mr.oduvan: ааа... этот тот, который сегодня ночью не спал?
[22:28:02] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[22:28:16] xa4a: который америкосов мучал
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[22:29:15] mr.oduvan: ага
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[22:32:23] piranha: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/06/04/chen-pre
[22:32:25] piranha: %)
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