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[00:19:20] gigimon_: бр

[00:19:30] gigimon_: подскажите по джанговским группам пользователей
[00:20:30] gigimon_: а то кроме 8 строк в джанго мануале ниче не нашел

[00:21:43] gigimon_: как ими рулить та?

[00:25:02] gigimon_: и как ставить права по дефолту и вообще менять для юзера, чет тоже не пойму

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[01:34:37] Spider84: Привет всем! подскажите есть ли в стандартном наборе библиотек питона библиот ека для работы с изображениями?
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[09:10:31] _lorien: да, и в некоторых дистрибутивах она называется imaging
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[09:13:04] mishok13: удивительно, почему же python imaging library называют python-imaging в некоторых дистрах...
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[11:14:13] rahs: есть способ засунуть в extra вызов типа sum(case when r <= 1 then 1 else 0 end)?
делаю так: .extra(select={'count_2': "sum(case when к <= 1 then 1 else 0 end)"})
если 'count_2' не указать в values_list, эта строка в запрос не попадает. А если указать, то попадает и в условие группировки ( GROUP BY ..., sum(case when к <= 1 then 1 else 0 end)
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[12:25:09] qq6ka: мне тож не нравится
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[12:51:27] qq6ka: мм... как получить id только что вставленной записи, если сохраняю через форму dля моdели.
[12:51:50] xa4a: instance = form.save()
[12:51:52] xa4a: instance.id
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[12:52:37] qq6ka: так и dелала... у меня там правdе есть "instance = form.save(commit=False)", из-за этого может не вернуть?
[12:52:47] xa4a: да
[12:52:49] xa4a: нет
[12:52:51] xa4a: ну
[12:52:54] xa4a: в доке написано
[12:52:59] xa4a: что оно создаёт инстанс
[12:53:02] xa4a: но в базу не пишет
[12:53:10] xa4a: тоесть id не получает
[12:53:10] qq6ka: это я понимаю
[12:53:22] qq6ka: у меня иdёт потом save()
[12:53:41] xa4a: там ещё было что-то типа .save_m2m()
[12:53:46] xa4a: может тебе id и не надо?
[12:54:23] qq6ka: щас... сюdа можно коdом намусорить? там немного
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[15:04:02] qrezy: как экранировать спец символы при запросе к MySQL через MySQLdb?
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[15:05:18] slav0nic: читая доки по execute
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[15:13:35] mishok13: DB API ни один человек не читает, блин
[15:14:37] slav0nic: qrezy, если правильно юзаешь то всё ескейпится, а если рншничаешь и через стринг форматтинг подставляешь значения...
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[16:40:52] огыешсук: А могёте в двух словах объяснить, как работать .pth файлы? Куда их класть, чтобы точно подхватись (просто в каталог из PYTHONPATH оказалось недостаточно)?
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[16:42:27] огыешсук: А то вот восхотелось вместо загромождения PYTHONPATH завести себе per-project файлик.pth где местные пути и прописывать. Ан фига, сходу работать оно не восжелало.
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[16:44:44] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (Ах да. Сегодня ж вторник, да ещё и пять вечера. Все по офисам наработались и домой идут, наверное.)
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[16:46:59] mishok13: я даже в 500 словах не смогу обьяснить как работает pth
[16:47:02] mishok13: и работает ли оно вообще
[16:47:10] Большой Лис: :D
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[16:50:17] огыешсук: Оно довольно странно как то работает. Я туда import sys; print воткнул и сегодня оно таки делает вид, будто работает. А вчера вот почему-то этого вида не делало. Потом я создал site.py, где более другой print и именно тот print я видел вчера (а pth`ного не было!). А сегодня я немного отмодифицировал PYTHONPATH и в результате не вижу print`а из site.py, зато вижу pth`ный.
БРРР! Им сложно было сделать KISS?
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[16:52:59] xa4a: я думаю в этом должен быть какой-то сокровенный смысл
[16:53:27] огыешсук: site.py и apps.pth при этом лежат в одном каталоге, да. Каталог в PYTHONPATH.
[16:53:41] огыешсук: Да, определенно в этом имеется некий сакр.
[16:54:10] tilarids: огыешсук, в 102% случаев, когда ты начинаешь ругаться на технологию, которая уже вышла из беты, виноват ты сам
[16:54:28] tilarids: ищи
[16:54:28] огыешсук: tilarids: клёво! Ты пользуешься pth`ми?
[16:55:12] огыешсук: tilarids: рассказывай!
[16:55:13] tilarids: огыешсук, нет
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[16:55:23] tilarids: мне хватает PYTHONPATH
[16:55:41] огыешсук: tilarids: тогда к чему был твой посыл? Гуглить я умею, мне пообщаться хочется.
[16:55:53] tilarids: огыешсук, мне тоже
[16:55:55] tilarids: ;)
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[17:00:13] _lorien: http://docs.python.org/library/site.html#module-site
вот тут есть кой чего, может быть, поможет
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[17:03:56] огыешсук: Это я читал :o(
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[17:18:46] tilarids: http://podrobnosti.ua/power/2009/06/23/611077.html
[17:19:03] Большой Лис: http://audionarkotiki.blogspot.com/
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[17:46:25] RaD: камрады, как задемонизировать процесс по питонски :)
[17:47:13] cutwater: эм..
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[17:47:25] cutwater: как и любой другой как бы
[17:47:32] cutwater: написать ему init скрипт
[17:47:38] cutwater: если о system v речь
[17:48:00] RaD: не, просто отвязаться от консоли после запуска, никаких инитов не будет
[17:48:18] cutwater: дык setsid и погнали :)
[17:48:51] cutwater: RaD, http://code.activestate.com/recipes/278731/
[17:49:03] cutwater: в гугле по ссылке №4 )))
[17:49:11] RaD: эх. примерчик бы
[17:49:34] klichuk: иди в примерочную
[17:49:40] cutwater: /me поражается с людей. им еще разжевать и в рот засунуть
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[17:49:57] Optik is now Как много веселых ребят, и все делают велосипед ©
[17:50:03] RaD: это я пробовал открыть, ща еду в паровозе, не грузицо, видать там много всяких баннеров
[17:50:17] RaD: cutwater: ты не поражайся, я те сам разжевать могу, просто в данный момент лениво :)
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[17:50:30] RaD: а пока не загрузится, буду спрашивать тут :)
[17:50:30] !tmp~: RaD, потрясный аргумент
[17:50:42] cutwater: ага, мне тоже нравится
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[17:50:47] cutwater: а мне не лениво каг бы
[17:50:49] cutwater: :D
[17:51:06] RaD: тебе не лениво, ты больше меня букв написал :)
[17:51:26] cutwater: кстати по той ссылке писал скрипт демонизации бота жаберного
[17:51:34] cutwater: шоб он сам себе пидфайл писал и т.п.
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[18:36:53] piranha is now There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies
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[18:48:39] xa4a: как в шел-скрипте получить абсолютный путь из относительного?
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[18:51:09] _lorien: $(pwd)/$related_path
?
[18:51:47] piranha: не, есть лучше метод емнип
[18:51:49] piranha: тока я забыл...
[18:52:24] xa4a: должно быть что-то, что проверяет неабсолютный ли путь уже
[18:52:27] !tmp~: piranha, хэй. уже вернулся?
[18:52:29] xa4a: не аб*
[18:52:36] piranha: !tmp~: йо, не, еще в москве )
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[18:52:39] !tmp~: а
[18:52:40] piranha: уже в москве точнее
[18:52:43] piranha: :)))
[18:52:47] _lorien: piranha, чего ты там делаешь? )
[18:52:58] piranha: _lorien: к роцтвенникам поехал
[18:53:00] sevenov: !tmp~, маскаль =)
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[18:53:20] _lorien: на джангодашь начали призы раздавать, вот тока не пойму, нам с севеновым на двоих дадут 100$ на слайсхосте или каждому :D
[18:54:08] sevenov: _lorien, на команду уж )
[18:54:09] piranha: :)
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[18:54:22] _lorien: sevenov, я надеюсь на обратное, как-то тупо...
[18:54:29] _lorien: как их делить то :D
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[18:55:39] sevenov: хмх. Ну каждому, конечно, лучше, но там кагбэ Code Monkeys ($100...)
[18:55:41] sevenov: =P
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[19:32:50] cutwater: поражаюсь людям
[19:33:09] cutwater: товарищ узнал что можно на nginx юзать wsgi не смотря на то что он сырой
[19:33:17] RaD is now online
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[19:33:27] cutwater: и решил заюзать на рабочм серваке
[19:33:59] _lorien: нууу, может быть, там проект не сильно критичный
[19:34:12] piranha is now away
[19:34:23] cutwater: ну не сильно критичный но все же
[19:34:37] cutwater: кстати так и не понял как нормально настроить проксирование на апач
[19:34:46] cutwater: пол инета перерыл не работает хоть убейся
[19:34:57] xa4a: у меня работает..
[19:35:13] Большой Лис is now online
[19:35:14] cutwater: там конкретно не работает с траком одна штука
[19:35:28] XIT is now dnd
[19:35:29] cutwater: когда аутентификация httpшная на nginx происходит
[19:35:36] xa4a: а, гм..
[19:35:47] xa4a: у меня джанго-проект проксируется - всё ок
[19:35:58] xa4a: про basic-авторизацию - хз
[19:36:01] cutwater: то он (nginx) нормально не проксирует инфу или хз че.... но в итоге трак аутентификацию не видит
[19:36:03] RaD is now away
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[19:36:13] cutwater: xa4a, во всем остальном у меня тоже работает
[19:36:25] cutwater: щас соберу nginx последний стабильный, попробую че да как
[19:36:26] Большой Лис: врёшь ты всё
[19:36:35] Большой Лис: всё проксируется
[19:36:43] Большой Лис: это ты шото спецально набуровил
[19:36:56] cutwater: если вру, поделись секретом
[19:37:01] cutwater: трак в упор не видит
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[19:37:21] cutwater: /me уже даже не знает че еще смотреть
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[19:38:09] Большой Лис: я бы сказал наоборот
[19:38:13] Большой Лис: поделись ты секретом
[19:38:17] RaD is now away
[19:38:20] Большой Лис: как тебе удалось его поломать?!
[19:38:25] cutwater: не ломал же
[19:38:30] cutwater: конфиг стандартный
[19:38:46] cutwater: я вобщем-то тестил, нужные заголовки даже присутствуют похоже на то
[19:38:51] pit is now ?
[19:38:52] pit is now ?
[19:38:53] cutwater: но трак это все равно не видит
[19:38:56] pit: re
[19:39:02] cutwater: hi
[19:39:13] MAVr is now Слушаем тишину
[19:39:15] MAVr is now Да, я тут
[19:39:42] pit: у кого есть e-gold , я что то не могу зарегистрироваться
[19:40:05] Большой Лис: е-кошелёк или е-жизнь
[19:40:06] pit: """New account creation temporarily suspended"""(с)
[19:40:07] Большой Лис: :D
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[19:40:31] pit: типа не поладки или блокировка ?
[19:41:31] Большой Лис: типо тебя подозревают
[19:41:44] Большой Лис: в мошенничестве, например
[19:41:53] pit is now ?
[19:42:22] piranha is now There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies
[19:42:54] pit: нет ....
[19:43:03] cutwater: Большой Лис, лично ты настраивал трак с проксей на апач и аутентификацией на nginx?
[19:43:07] pit: типа в россию может быть закрыто
[19:43:18] RaD is now away
[19:43:38] pit: и похоже придётся писать в потдержку
[19:43:40] Большой Лис: да
[19:43:47] Большой Лис: и ничего спецально не делал
[19:43:53] Большой Лис: чот бы http авторизация ходила
[19:43:57] Большой Лис: всё само запазало
[19:44:10] Большой Лис: я даже не знал до сегодняшнего дня что такая проблема существует
[19:44:16] pit: Большой Лис: https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/
[19:44:39] pit: у меня выводит """New account creation temporarily suspended"""(с)
[19:44:42] cutwater: Большой Лис, странно. если не сложно поделись конфигами
[19:44:50] cutwater: и версию nginx скажи
[19:44:55] Большой Лис: 6.х
[19:45:07] Большой Лис: а того трака уже нет в живых
[19:45:12] Большой Лис: и nginx-а тоже
[19:45:21] cutwater: печально
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[20:08:22] serpentologist: а профессионалы Vim'а здесь есть?
[20:08:50] cutwater: Большой Лис, вобщем щас попробовал еще раз поднять
[20:08:52] xa4a: есть любители
[20:09:05] cutwater: nginx + apache + wsgi + trac
[20:09:08] _lorien is now online
[20:09:10] cutwater: щас конфиги выложу
[20:09:14] Александp: привет
использую джангу на сервере с помощью apache+wsgi
прописал в конфиге
WSGIScriptAlias / {{ project_path }}/django.wsgi
но есть одна проблема, некоторые урлы не обрабатываются нашим обработчиком, а выкидывается 404 ошибка апача
сталкивался кто?
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[20:09:56] bergamot: в полночь по новосибирску все вампиры проснулись и начали чатиться
[20:10:21] xa4a: serpentologist: в чём вопрос?
[20:10:30] XIT is now dnd
[20:10:41] serpentologist: xa4a:при выделении прямоугольных блоков текста (Ctrl+v) и их удалении курсор возвращается в позицию, с которой началось выделение. Есть ли способ заставить курсор оставаться на месте?
[20:11:54] pit is now ?
[20:12:11] cutwater: http://dumpz.org/10001/
http://dumpz.org/10002/
http://dumpz.org/10003/

собстно вот, конфиг стандартный, но трак инфу о аутентификации не видит
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[20:12:39] xa4a: serpentologist: хм. не могу сказать)
[20:13:13] bergamot: кто-то уже жаловался на отсутствие идентификации в траке на апаче через нжиникс
[20:13:20] RaD is now online
[20:13:23] bergamot: в этой конфе
[20:13:30] cutwater: это был я может быть?
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[20:13:37] bergamot: может
[20:13:39] cutwater: ))
[20:13:56] serpentologist: xa4a: жаль) но спасибо за отклик))
[20:14:08] cutwater: /me уже дошел до степени маразма курить сорцы трака и его отлаживать
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[20:14:27] cutwater: хотя бы заголовки посмотреть какие он получает
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[20:41:57] pit is now ?
[20:42:54] piranha is now There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies
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[20:46:36] xa4a: tilarids: почему juick, а не twitter + twitter.im?
[20:46:58] pit is now ?
[20:47:12] xa4a: *tweet.im
[20:48:08] pit is now away
[20:48:09] pit is now away
[20:48:21] tilarids: xa4a, я и там, и там. juick больше располагает для ведения бложика, посты в который не содержат инфы достаточно важной для переноса в большой блог
[20:48:23] RaD is now online
[20:48:43] tilarids: а твиттер - для маленьких анонсов
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[20:49:31] xa4a: а многие используют твитер по назначению - для микроблоггинга)
[20:49:50] xa4a: типа "я сходил поел" "чай сегодня недозаварился"
[20:50:04] piranha: ну такие чуваки бесют
[20:50:35] XIT is now dnd
[20:50:48] xa4a: о, нашёл, как получить полный путь к файлу
[20:51:03] xa4a: readlink -f <rel_path_or_symlink>
[20:51:58] pit is now away
[20:52:31] tilarids: xa4a, так а чего там в твиттере напишешь в 140 символов?
[20:53:10] Effgen is now away
[20:53:11] tilarids: вот в жуйке я могу основательно расписать, как я катался на велосипеде или еще куда-нибудь ездил. А 140 символов твиттера мне решительно не хватит :)
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[20:53:50] xa4a: гм.. ну да :)
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[20:59:22] piranha: ну в этом и тема собсна
[20:59:25] piranha: старайся :Д
[20:59:31] red-agent is now offline
[20:59:34] piranha: расписывать подробно - это в блог
[21:00:19] xa4a: вот piranha тоже, вроде, и там там замечен. раньше казалось, что от языка поста зависит, а сейчас - даже не определю)
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[21:01:47] piranha: а сейчас я в жуйк перестал писать )
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[21:14:09] pit is now ?
[21:14:09] pit is now ?
[21:14:12] Большой Лис is now xa
[21:14:48] tilarids: piranha, ну, не могу я в 140 символов вместить ничего путного. Нищебродство это. В твиттер нормально только анонсы можно постить :)
[21:15:12] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[21:15:20] tilarids: piranha, возвращайся в жуйк, ага. Твиттер уныл, жуйк уныл чуть менее
[21:15:34] piranha: это не нищебродство, это минимализм :Д
[21:15:38] XIT is now dnd
[21:15:39] piranha: жуйк уныл охреневше просто :(
[21:15:47] piranha: твиттером пользоваться удобнее при наличии клиента
[21:16:10] xa4a: tweet.im
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[21:17:00] pit is now ?
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[21:18:09] ezotrank is now away
[21:18:10] tilarids: piranha, это как раз нищебродство. Ладно, если бы меня ограничивали количеством слов - это ладно. Но количеством символов? Да еще и учитывают при этом ссылки? это fail
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[21:18:44] piranha: ;)
[21:18:52] sintetico is now offline
[21:18:53] piranha: это не блог, чувак, это не блог
[21:19:15] Александp is now xa
[21:19:28] tilarids: piranha, ну, вот именно. twitter - место для анонсов, juick - полноценный микроблог
[21:19:58] piranha: джуик - это полноценный блог
[21:20:04] piranha: какие нах комменты в микроблоге?
[21:20:17] tilarids: piranha, а почему в микроблоге не должно быть коментов?
[21:20:32] piranha: tilarids: потому шо он перестаëт быть микро ;)
[21:20:39] XIT is now dnd
[21:20:44] tilarids: piranha, дай дефиницию микро :)
[21:21:00] piranha: ну ты ж знаешь, что я щас напишу
[21:21:02] piranha: ;)))))
[21:21:10] tilarids: нет, честно говоря
[21:21:54] piranha: ну ладно, тогда отвечу более цивилизованно, чем хотел сразу: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-blogging
[21:22:00] pit is now ?
[21:22:04] piranha: а хотел сразу написать "это такие маленькие мессаги без комментов" ;)))
[21:22:44] tilarids: The content of a micro-blog differs from a traditional blog in that it is typically smaller in actual size and aggregate file size. A single entry could consist of a single sentence or fragment or an image or a brief, ten second video. But, still, its purpose is similar to that of a traditional blog
[21:23:01] tilarids: разница между блогом и между блогом - в размере постов :)
[21:23:19] tilarids: упс
[21:23:25] tilarids: между блогом и микроблогом
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[21:24:57] piranha: вово
[21:25:01] Typhon is now online
[21:25:02] pit is now away
[21:25:03] piranha: в джуик пишут как в блог
[21:25:05] pit is now away
[21:25:17] piranha: ну да это всë пофиг
[21:25:28] piranha: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/
[21:25:30] piranha: видел?
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[21:25:55] pit is now ?
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[21:27:02] pit is now ?
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[21:27:08] tilarids: piranha, бугага
[21:27:11] tilarids: посмеялсо :)
[21:27:19] piranha: чо там смеяццо-то )))
[21:27:39] piranha: всë так в точку, что аж грустно ;)
[21:28:05] tilarids: ага, конечно
[21:28:28] RaD is now online
[21:28:49] tilarids: Vim, Emacs, nano, Eclipse, vs Acme, Sam, ed. :D
[21:28:54] Большой Лис: Subversion, aka svn. Git, Mercurial (aka hg); hell, even CVS or plain old tarballs would be better than svn.
[21:28:55] Большой Лис: жажа
[21:29:12] Portnov is now online
[21:29:17] Portnov is now online
[21:29:21] piranha: tilarids: про вим/емакс вс ацме - есть мысля
[21:29:29] piranha: вим и емакс очень загрязнены всем подряд
[21:29:38] piranha: ты вот посмотри на хоткеи ви и потом на хоткеи вима
[21:29:43] piranha: у ви их мало и в них есть логика
[21:29:48] piranha: а у вима - ни на грамм
[21:29:55] огыешсук is now Доступен
[21:29:58] piranha: и у емакса ядро кое-как, а сверху понаростало
[21:29:59] xa4a: на грамм
[21:30:25] piranha: т.е. ты логики не уловил? ;)
[21:30:33] tilarids: piranha, поэтому я и не пользуюсь почти ни vim, ни emacs :)
[21:30:39] XIT is now dnd
[21:30:50] tilarids: хотя оба настроенные и даже почти изученные
[21:31:07] piranha: tilarids: пользуешься эклипсом? :)))
[21:31:21] RaD: /me использует emacs
[21:31:46] xa4a: холивар-золивар!
[21:31:47] xa4a: х
[21:31:53] tilarids: piranha, не, я юзаю geany
[21:32:01] pit is now ?
[21:32:04] tilarids: это такой немного подкрученный scite
[21:32:05] piranha: хыхы
[21:32:09] piranha: да, я в курсе
[21:32:17] piranha: кто б ацме поюзал
[21:32:22] piranha: я б посмотрел на этого психа :ДД
[21:32:25] xa4a: кто б plan9 поюзал
[21:33:14] xa4a: а я на выходных крутил кубик рубика оригинальный. не сравнится с теми, что на раскладках по 5-10грн
[21:33:14] tilarids: /me inferno юзал, нормальная штуковина
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[21:33:45] tilarids: но вот лимбо я бы никому не посоветовал, уродство еще то
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[21:35:52] piranha: xa4a: в смысле? А чем отличается?
[21:37:01] xa4a: piranha: во-первых, легко ходит. во-вторых, если одну грань перекрутил, и начинаешь крутить другую - первая плавно становится на место и не мешает другой крутиться
[21:37:02] pit is now ?
[21:37:15] xa4a: ну и нет рандоиных глюков некрутящести
[21:37:21] xa4a: ещё пишут, что держится лучше
[21:37:36] piranha: ааааа
[21:37:40] xa4a: а то мой раскладочный за две недели складывания потерял кубик один
[21:37:41] piranha: ну я юзал нормальный )
[21:37:48] piranha: я понял, о чëм ты
[21:37:53] xa4a: и несколько раз цветные накладки терял
[21:37:54] piranha: просто нормального качества
[21:37:58] xa4a: дада
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[22:56:17] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, тут?
[22:57:09] pit is now ?
[22:57:19] Большой Лис: даже незнаю
[22:57:22] Большой Лис: смотря шо ты хочешь
[22:58:05] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, шутник..
[22:58:19] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, да так, парочку теоретических вопросов о GIT
[22:58:43] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, а том мой пропитанный меркуриалом мозг не может понять кое что
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[22:59:15] Большой Лис: базарь
[22:59:19] Большой Лис: шотам
[22:59:45] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, почему например нельзя мерджнуть из ремоут репа? или origin +master:master это и есть merge?
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[23:00:28] (ZioN,) is now online
[23:00:41] Хрюндель: вот я делаю например
git pull devel master:flamaster
оно мне говорит нот фаст форвард
[23:00:56] Большой Лис: ну првильно
[23:00:58] Хрюндель: как мне мердж сделать или вообще rabase?
[23:00:59] Большой Лис: но мерж делает
[23:01:16] Хрюндель: обязательно новый бранч делать что бы ребейс сделать?
[23:01:22] Большой Лис: если хеды у тебя разошлись
[23:01:32] Большой Лис: будет отдельный мерж коммит
[23:01:49] Большой Лис: нет, не обязательно
[23:02:09] pit is now ?
[23:02:42] Хрюндель: то есть ты говоришь что
git pull devel +master:flamaster это примерно тоже самое если бы этот flamaster у меня был как локал бранч и я бы сдела
git merge flamaster ?
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[23:03:31] Большой Лис: это врядли
[23:03:41] Большой Лис: pull ничо никуда не мерждит
[23:04:20] Большой Лис: хотя шо я гоню
[23:04:26] Большой Лис: то fetch
[23:04:27] Хрюндель: push может не мерджит
[23:04:28] Большой Лис: карочи
[23:04:32] Большой Лис: иди нахер, 11 ночи
[23:04:35] Большой Лис: я ничо не соображаю
[23:04:35] Хрюндель: ыыы
[23:04:37] Хрюндель: сцукован
[23:04:44] Хрюндель: а кто ещё шарит в git?
[23:04:51] Хрюндель: не знаешь?
[23:04:56] Хрюндель: я всю книгу прочитал
[23:05:18] Хрюндель: но изза привязаности к меркуриалу как то охуел даже немного от отличий в работе
[23:05:28] xa4a: !wtf git Хрюндель: а кто ещё шарит в git? я всю книгу прочитал
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[23:05:39] xa4a: !wtf git
[23:05:46] xa4a: ну вот :D
[23:05:57] Хрюндель: xa4a, шо бы это значило? ))
[23:06:15] xa4a: ну теперь, если кто-то захочет спросить про гит - будет знать у кого спрашивать)
[23:06:19] xa4a: или ты про wtf?
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[23:06:52] Хрюндель: я про git ))
[23:07:02] Хрюндель: тольвардсу написать что ли
[23:07:03] xa4a: !wtf auth Хрюндель
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[23:09:07] Хрюндель: git git git по верёвочке бежит..
[23:12:10] pit is now ?
[23:12:45] Большой Лис: Хрюндель, может быть ты хочешь git pull git@host:repo.git +master:master
[23:13:04] Большой Лис: точнее
+src_master:dst_master
[23:13:17] Большой Лис: src удалённый бранч
[23:13:32] Большой Лис: который ты себе в dst мержишь
[23:13:47] Большой Лис: ну, или как ты написал
[23:13:58] Большой Лис: если devel у тебя в remout-ах прописан
[23:14:16] Большой Лис: Хрюндель, возьми на гитхабе любой реп, у кготорого есть клоны
[23:14:20] Большой Лис: и поприкалывайся
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[23:17:11] pit is now ?
[23:18:25] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, ну ты примерно тоже самое написал.. просто реально ли это merge? или просто какой-то force.
If the optional plus + is used, the local ref is updated even if it does not
result in a fast forward update.

[23:19:06] Большой Лис: да
[23:19:10] Большой Лис: похоже что перетирается
[23:20:14] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, что то не понял? Да merge или да force?
[23:20:40] Большой Лис: ajhc
[23:20:42] Большой Лис: форс
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[23:21:26] Хрюндель: хмм.. а как же получается merge делать если изменения на ремоут репе?
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[23:25:52] Большой Лис: нене
[23:25:57] Большой Лис: ты себе изменения закачиваешь
[23:26:03] Большой Лис: и у тебя мержишь
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[23:26:51] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, сари как я сделал. Например у меня такая ситуация сложилась, я создаю новый бранч, качаю туда с форсом эти изменения, потом делаю merge с мастером или ребэйс
[23:26:57] Хрюндель: так надо делать?
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[23:29:26] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, а, не.. вот вижу fetch надо да?
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[23:29:55] Большой Лис: после pull из ремоута
[23:29:56] Хрюндель: ебануццо.. а в меркуриале вообще fetch вроде как для посмотреть есть ли изменения
[23:30:11] Большой Лис: делай merge с origin/master
[23:30:25] Хрюндель: The ref names and their object names of fetched refs are stored in .git/FETCH_HEAD. This information is left for a later merge operation done by git-merge.

[23:31:24] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, вроде нельзя.. щас точно не могу сказать.. может я просто не с origin делал. пытался что то типа git merge /some/dir/
[23:32:07] Большой Лис: нене
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[23:32:14] Большой Лис: ориджин, это твой старый мастер
[23:32:20] Большой Лис: после того как ты запулил из ремоута
[23:32:26] Большой Лис: твой локальнйы мастер изменился
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[23:34:08] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, не, так как запулить.. я же говорю, он ругаеццо что не фаст форвард, а если + делаю то он уже внесёт изменения в мастер, верно? Потом уже поздно пить боржоми..
[23:34:11] Хрюндель: короче ладно
[23:34:14] Хрюндель: оставь
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[23:34:53] Хрюндель: Большой Лис, Сагалаев вроде git юзает не? или базар?
[23:34:59] Большой Лис: базар
[23:35:03] Хрюндель: вот гад
[23:35:40] Хрюндель: а этот.. Даеверон.. кто то помню юзал git
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[23:42:04] Большой Лис: git merge origin/master
[23:42:10] Большой Лис: завершающий шаг
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[23:42:19] Большой Лис: что бы и твои изменения жили
[23:42:21] Большой Лис: и чужие
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