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[06:09:36] qq6ka: здрасьте
[06:11:11] qq6ka: скажите, а можно использовать переменные вне функций? просто объявить пустой, заполнит и передать потом вшаблон? или не желательно так делать?
[06:16:28] sevenov: qq6ka, обдумай вопрос и то, что ты хочешь, потом переформулируй его и напиши снова.
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[06:33:20] qq6ka: в общем есть изначально пустой список reverse_tree=[], в который функцией записываются данные. вот только при обновлении страницы в reverse_tree данные добавляются. Можно как-нибудь очистить переменную?
[06:34:48] sevenov: Эм. Оно у тебя глобальное что-ли?
[06:34:54] sevenov: s/-//
[06:35:02] sevenov: s/^/ /
[06:35:49] qq6ka: да
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[06:38:57] qq6ka: sevenov, простите, а "s/^/ /" - это что?
[06:39:22] Optik: замена "-" на ""
[06:39:26] sevenov: qq6ka, это поправки "что-ли"
[06:41:19] sevenov: qq6ka, ну так перед заполнением, делай reverse_tree=[]
[06:41:38] sevenov: а, хм
[06:41:43] sevenov: reverse[:]=[]
[06:41:44] qq6ka: делаю
[06:41:45] sevenov: вот так
[06:41:54] qq6ka: щас попробую
[06:47:46] qq6ka: sevenov, спасибо
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[08:03:55] _lorien: \D
the prompt/history count, with the actual digits replaced by dots.
Used mainly in continuation prompts (prompt_in2)
чё-то не пойму, что эта штука делает... Это настройка prompt в ipython
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[09:17:21] _lorien: а можно как-то сделать шобы джанга тупо не скрывала ошибку в шаблоне, который я {% include %}?
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[09:33:28] SvartalF: Слушайте, вот у меня тут странная штука в джанге.
Есть приложение, подключено в INSTALLED_APPS, при синхронизации БД по его моделям создаются таблицы.
При этом оно категорически отказывается подключаться в contrib.админке на боевом сервере. На локалке, с встроенным сервером работает.
Веб-сервер перезапускал, admin.py вот: http://paste.org.ru/?q66pph
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[10:27:21] slav0nic: как-то не через жопу можно сделать, чтоб в response['Content-Disposition'] = 'attachment; filename=%s' % attachment.name
было юникодное имя?
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[10:29:41] slav0nic: фак, судя по коду value = value.encode('us-ascii') низзя
[10:30:29] mishok13: что же это за мудило засоряет планету на dou своим "глоссариумом ооп"?
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[10:37:08] Typhon: Evgenij Nerush?
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[10:40:09] _lorien: Кто-нить знает ipython? Хотелось бы после запуска ./manage.py shell - она запускает ipython - выполнить команду huis и получить проимпортированные модели - все. Причём этот huis должен не зависеть от проекта, желательно, лежать в настройках ипитона в ~
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[10:40:38] piranha: shell_plus не катит?
[10:40:51] piranha: !g django command extensions
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[10:57:18] _lorien: я в курсе, но мне ради этой фичи в ломы подключать дополнительный app, я хочу внутри ipython
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[10:57:47] piranha: .ipython/ipy_user_conf.py
[10:57:56] _lorien: # some config helper functions you can use
def import_all(modules):
""" Usage: import_all("os sys") """
for m in modules.split():
ip.ex("from %s import *" % m)

я внутри конфига такое нашёл, тока не знаю, как его использовать
[10:58:14] _lorien: piranha, ну да, я про этот файл и спрашиваю
[10:58:37] piranha: ты типа хочешь знать, когда запускается ./manage.py shell?
[10:58:42] piranha: ну посмотри в __name__ может?
[10:58:46] piranha: или... или хрен его знает
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[10:58:55] _lorien: нет, типа я хочу что-нить нажать и загрузить все модели
[10:59:09] piranha: аа, типа def models()?
[10:59:28] piranha: так в чëм проблема, я не понимаю. Ты что, код из shell_plus выдрать не можешь?
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[11:24:26] огыешсук: А чего это reverse в джанге мне к адресам с регэкспом (r"^view/(?P<page_url>.*)$", "page_view") на запрос reverse(page_view, kwargs={'ur':'test.com'}) выдаёт /view/page_view/test.com/ а не /view/page_view/test.com ?
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[11:25:39] огыешсук: А, дошло.
[11:25:44] огыешсук: Спасибо.
[11:25:56] xa4a: обращайся, если что
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[11:26:50] xa4a: кстати, как там фф3.5? релизнулся?
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[11:27:27] огыешсук: В unstable всё ещё 3.0.11-1 :o(
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[11:28:18] piranha: xa4a: угу
[11:28:29] _lorien: piranha, проблема в том, что я не знаю, как сделать доступной функцию внутри сессии ipython
[11:28:53] _lorien: я себе 3.6 поставил :D
[11:29:03] огыешсук: виндовый?
[11:29:08] _lorien: нет
[11:29:12] огыешсук: 32-битный?
[11:29:13] piranha: _lorien: http://ipython.scipy.org/moin/IpythonExtensionApi
[11:29:14] _lorien: линуксовый
[11:29:23] piranha: я тоже 3.6 поставил, уже с полгода почти как
[11:29:34] _lorien: я с полдня где-то )
[11:29:35] огыешсук: Вот где 64-битный брать нормально собранный.
[11:29:45] xa4a: компилять!
[11:29:50] огыешсук: разве что
[11:30:01] xa4a: или написать ебилд)
[11:30:07] xa4a: чтобы само компилялось)
[11:30:17] _lorien: piranha, спасибо, вроде б то, а я доки глядел - не нашёл
[11:31:20] piranha: хз, у меня в начале ipy_user_conf эта ссылка есть:)
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[11:33:22] _lorien: опа, у меня тоже :)
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[11:52:23] piranha: %)
[11:52:27] piranha: сильно
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[12:18:09] xa4a: а если б у меня диал-ап был..
[12:18:36] mishok13: пользовался бы ты tk
[12:19:20] xa4a: работало бы kopete на tk
[12:19:30] xa4a: и konsole
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[12:45:02] xa4a: кстати, есть какие-то новости об ограниченной среде выполнения в связи с новым importlib?
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[13:14:10] _lorien: http://iwi.gandibar.net/post/2009/06/25/Your-server-for-free-this-summer
чочо, кому vps на халяву нужно? :)
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[15:20:21] mishok13: xa4a, ты о чем
[15:20:23] mishok13: ?
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[15:20:59] mishok13: как новая либа для импортирования как-то поменять тот факт, что любая питоновская песочница взламываема?
[15:21:04] xa4a: mishok13: там же было что-то, внутри чего можно выполнять потенциально питон-код, не опасаясь, что он, например, в файлы писать будет
[15:21:15] xa4a: думал, может не любая..
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[15:24:01] mishok13: тут одно из двух -- или твоя песочница неполноценна или она небезопасна
[15:24:09] mishok13: по-другому в питоне пока что никак
[15:24:14] Муркт: или она большая очень
[15:24:28] Муркт: mishok13: pypy вроде бы умеет полный sandboxing?
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[15:24:35] Portnov: mishok13, почему? По теореме Гёделя? :d
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[15:25:09] mishok13: Муркт, ну pypy пока что не умеет сишных модулей питоновских, так ведь?
[15:25:19] Муркт: нет
[15:25:46] mishok13: Portnov, я не смогу в двух словах передать тред на python-dev длиной в сотню с лишним сообщений о создании песочницы в питоне
[15:25:56] mishok13: даже, пожалуй, и в двух абзацах я его не передам
[15:26:33] Portnov: просто очень напомнило - 'любая система, включающая арифметику, или неполна, или противоречива' :)
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[15:28:01] mishok13: ну тут еще добавляется фактик -- питон-то не формазированная система :)
[15:28:08] mishok13: *формализированная
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[16:51:50] feedbot: ICFP contest 2009 http://tilarids.blogspot.com/2009/06/icfp-contest-2009.html
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[16:52:57] piranha is now There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies
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[17:02:43] _lorien: для 256мб озу на vds что лучше apache-prefork или apache-threaded для mod_python?
[17:02:51] _lorien: надо шобы меньше памяти жрало
[17:04:50] piranha: mod_wsgi и треды
[17:04:51] _lorien: тьфу, mod_wsgi
[17:05:28] _lorien: просто, к примеру, на 100 мб треды вообще не запустились, всё падало т.к. ресурсы кончались, а вот prefork ботал
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[17:05:45] _lorien: почему на 256м ситуация другая?
[17:07:09] piranha: потому что тредам изначально надо намного больше памяти
[17:07:23] piranha: но динамика роста потребления памяти ниже
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[17:08:50] piranha: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3595/3632587721_530c89a8d0_o.png
[17:09:43] xa4a: !wtf dons
[17:11:09] piranha: Don Stewart
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[17:12:37] _lorien: ну что ж, попытаю счастья с threaded
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[17:40:57] _lorien: у меня да
[17:41:37] xa4a: _lorien: у тебя где-то был django-autopenid заюзан?
[17:42:11] _lorien: xa4a, да, я его заюзал для filmfeed.ru - возможно, потом чуток подпилили его ещё
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[18:25:14] _lorien: хм, вот фигня, в дебиановском nginx сделал sites-available и sites-enabled, а ссылку ручками что ли проставлять?
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[18:26:37] _lorien: о, эврика, надо просто файлы сразу в sites-enabled создавать :D
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[18:39:23] sevenov: _lorien, не, там симбиоз твоего и django-openidconsumer с переделками.
[18:39:48] _lorien: ужос
[18:40:11] _lorien: а я получил два халявных месяца на gandi.net уже )
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[19:19:35] Муркт: http://murkt.org.ua/blog/2009/06/30/icfpc09-space-opera/
[19:19:43] Муркт: /me закосил под linkbot'а
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[19:23:18] _lorien: спалился - линкбот пишет название страницы перед ссылкой )
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[19:26:00] xa4a: а линкбот откуда тянет, кроме /r/Python ?
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[19:41:13] xa4a: _lorien: yurevich - ты?
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[19:42:31] Муркт: xa4a: юревич - Юревич.
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[19:42:36] Муркт: pyobject.ru, вроде бы
[19:42:44] xa4a: Омск
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[19:42:51] xa4a: да, pyobject
[19:42:52] Муркт: афк
[19:43:28] _lorien: нет же, я же веб-мозги )
[19:43:39] _lorien: а pybobject это юра юревич, который rupy организует
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[19:43:51] _lorien: бот тянет с реддита и с pydev.ru/community/
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[19:50:13] sevenov: _lorien, хмхм. Назови свой блог "Велодевелопмент", наткнулся тут на блог, подумал, что тебе больше подойдет :-)
[19:50:42] _lorien: вебмозги и ниипёт )
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[19:51:23] _lorien: веломозги :D
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[20:51:51] feedbot: Modular toolkit for Data Processing 2.5 released! http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/8x13p/modular_toolkit_for_data_processing_25_released/
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[21:01:13] xa4a: а кто с redmine работал?
[21:01:22] xa4a: там можно из комит-месагей сразу в тикеты писать?
[21:01:30] Муркт: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/icfpc/63279/ поплюсуйте :)
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[21:09:46] tilarids: Муркт, спёр идею :) Я всё ленился
[21:10:42] Муркт: tilarids: ага, а я посмотрел что ещё нет такого топика - спустя уже целые сутки :)
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[22:21:18] Большой Лис: у кого тоже в ФФ3.5 рендер шрифтов стал ОЧЕНЬ странный?
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[22:36:33] Мозгошредер: пока я компилял фокс из сырцов в AUR появился пкгбилд с бинарниками >.<
[22:36:49] Мозгошредер: Большой Лис, я ообще на хроме :)
[22:37:09] Мозгошредер: но особых отличий не увидел(по шрифтам)
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[23:51:52] feedbot: Пара ссылок по Erlang http://hlabs.spb.ru/news/couple_links_about_erlang.html
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