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[02:27:40] WoolF: Не пойму с какой версии питона он, у меня так вроде первая:(
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[11:40:46] cutwater: вопрос. есть некий загрузчик плагинов. получив список модулей в пакете (банально через os.listdir() ) необходимо получить все классы в модуле унаследованные от Plugin. загвоздка, допустим один плагин импортирует другой плагин. как избежать повторной загрузки. то есть как получить список классов только из этого модуля? или возможно пересмотреть логику в поисках лучшего решения.
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[13:01:18] Большой Лис: кто знает, как запустить opera-mini на линуксе? может какой то эмулятор телефонов есть?
[13:02:58] fandal: незнаю поможет или нет, но гугль ответил так http://helpforlinux.blogspot.com/2008/12/use-opera-mini-in-ubuntu.html
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[13:24:12] cuprum13: Подскажите кто как хранит электронные книги, можт какие программы для тегирования или для классификации книг?
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[13:27:00] klichuk: може кому-то приходилось програмно получать сорс главной страницы вконтакта, то есть главной страницы определенного юзера
[13:27:56] cuprum13: klichuk, вроде через vkontakte api можно
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[14:01:25] Александp: подскажите, нужно при запуске джанги производить вызов некоторых функций инициализации
если их засовывать в settings, то в принципе всё работает, но печатает эксепшен Settings cannot be imported, because environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE is undefined.
куда можно засунуть эти вызовы?
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[14:56:00] _lorien: ты что, пытаешься в settings.py сделать "from django.conf import settings"?
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[17:02:48] unk2k: Еще раз всем привет. Вопрос по джанге (доку читал)
Есть темплайт base.html в котором потстоянно будет в шапке колличестово юзеров и онлайн, как мне сделать что то типа apps который будет всегда исполняться ? то есть что то на подобии index.php (с mod_rewrite естественно)
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[17:06:52] Большой Лис: unk2k, темплейт тег напиши
[17:06:57] Большой Лис: и вставть его в base.html
[17:07:09] unk2k: угу -) идея такая был
[17:07:10] unk2k: а
[17:07:15] unk2k: а вот куда пихать этот тег ?
[17:07:25] unk2k: он же берется относительно urls.py
[17:07:31] unk2k: то есть относительно apps
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[17:09:19] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
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[17:10:50] Большой Лис: urls.p вообще не при делах
[17:11:00] Большой Лис: сделай какой нибудь аппликейшен
[17:11:08] Большой Лис: который будет шариться между всеми другими
[17:11:15] Большой Лис: shared напирмер
[17:11:17] Большой Лис: так и назови
[17:11:27] Большой Лис: в нём модуль templatetags сделай
[17:11:31] Большой Лис: и в нём уже твой тег
[17:11:41] Мозгошредер is now online
[17:11:53] Большой Лис: как только подключишь shared в INSTALLED_APPS то твой тег станет доступным
[17:11:59] Большой Лис: всем остальным
[17:12:04] Большой Лис: да и вобщем то
[17:12:07] Большой Лис: его не нужен всем
[17:12:15] Большой Лис: ведь его надо 1 раз в base.html вызвать
[17:12:23] unk2k: вот нахрена его во все остальные подключать ?
[17:12:26] unk2k: это уже гемор
[17:12:29] unk2k: да
[17:12:41] unk2k: [18:11:50] <Большой Лис> как только подключишь shared в INSTALLED_APPS то твой тег станет доступным
[17:12:55] XIT is now offline
[17:12:56] unk2k: ну и он после этого будет сам вызываться ?
[17:13:11] Большой Лис: сам вызывать ниодин тег не будет :D
[17:13:23] Большой Лис: только ТЫ вызываешь теги
[17:13:44] Большой Лис: пишешь в base.html
{% my_mega_cool_tag %}
[17:13:47] Большой Лис: и всё
[17:14:03] unk2k: 1. я пишу тег в аппс
2. подключаю в setting.py -> installed_apps
3. base.html -> {% tag %}
[17:14:04] unk2k: все ?
[17:14:25] red-agent is now Жду ответного гудка!
[17:15:09] Большой Лис: и не забудь сам тег написать
[17:15:13] Большой Лис: исходник
[17:15:28] Большой Лис: в your_app/templatetags/my_mega_cool_tag.py
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[17:15:49] Большой Лис: unk2k, карочи!
[17:15:54] Большой Лис: склихасофский
[17:16:09] Большой Лис: ты или доку не читал и пестеть тот изволишь, или не вкурил
[17:16:12] Большой Лис: так что anyway
[17:16:25] Большой Лис: направляю тебя на повторное чтение доки
[17:16:28] Большой Лис: про кастомные теги
[17:16:44] Большой Лис: так всё ПРЕДЕЛЬНО ясно, как для "даммиес" расписано
[17:16:51] Большой Лис: и разжовано
[17:17:04] unk2k: не
[17:17:06] Большой Лис: да
[17:17:07] unk2k: с тегами я понял
[17:17:16] Большой Лис: нехера ты не понял
[17:17:18] unk2k: я не понял как сделать его в base.html
[17:17:20] Большой Лис: раз задаёшь такие вопросы
[17:17:34] Большой Лис: unk2k, МАРШЬ В ДОКУМЕНТАЦИЮ! БЫСТРО!
[17:17:35] unk2k: ,kz, а какие вопросы мне задавать ?
[17:17:42] unk2k: я там уже два дня
[17:18:04] unk2k: я дочитал доку на русском посмотрел свежу на айзербайджанском, посмотрел самплы, посмотрел видеоэ
[17:18:08] Большой Лис: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/custom-template-tags/#howto-custom-template-tags
[17:18:10] Большой Лис: тут
[17:18:12] Большой Лис: читал?
[17:18:31] unk2k: да, только на русском
[17:18:42] unk2k: http://djbook.ru/
[17:18:57] Большой Лис: {% load my_mega_cool_tag %} писал в base.html
[17:18:58] Большой Лис: ?
[17:19:28] unk2k: я только засетапил джангу, я интерисуюсь проблемами с которыми я сейчас буду сталкиваться.
[17:19:33] unk2k: еще не писал вообще не чего
[17:19:38] Большой Лис: йоба
[17:19:41] Большой Лис: так возьми
[17:19:43] Большой Лис: и попробуй
[17:19:45] Большой Лис: :D
[17:19:45] unk2k: только настроил что бы работало -)
[17:19:48] unk2k: -)
[17:19:48] Большой Лис: ужеб давно всё запустил
[17:19:49] unk2k: лады
[17:19:52] unk2k: спасибо тебе
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[17:20:45] Большой Лис: unk2k, BTW, djbook.ru это книга
[17:20:53] Большой Лис: а то что я дал, это референс
[17:20:59] Большой Лис: они друг друга дополняют
[17:21:19] Большой Лис: так что читать придётся всё, но с упором на референс ;)
[17:21:20] unk2k: BTW ?
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[17:22:43] Большой Лис: By The Way
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[18:57:53] piranha: The object-oriented model makes it easy to build up programs by accretion. What this often means, in practice, is that it provides a structured way to write spaghetti code.
-- Paul Graham

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[19:02:56] Большой Лис: гг
[19:03:23] piranha: Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing.
-- Rob Pike

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[19:04:42] Большой Лис: "все на ерланг, таваиищи!"
[19:04:49] piranha: фубля
[19:05:03] piranha: на пхп3, там тоже объектов нету
[19:05:44] Svoloch: /me как ни странно сегодня занялся чтением мануалов по эрлангу
[19:06:22] Большой Лис: /me щаз читает proglamming erlang
[19:06:24] Большой Лис: =]
[19:06:27] Муркт: давненько я здесь не видел активного Сволоч
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[19:06:52] Svoloch: /me в жару хреново соображает и не сидит в инете
[19:07:51] Svoloch: даже на написание своей игрушки забил
[19:08:24] piranha: Когда бог хочет наказать человека, он лишает его разума.
Когда бог хочет наказать государство, он лишает разума его премьера.
России он дал Черномырдина.
Украине он дал Тимошенко. Но потом для гарантии послал туда и Черномырди
[19:08:26] piranha: на
[19:08:30] Svoloch: а теперь вот думаю, может забить на webpy и переделать на erlang
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[19:08:40] piranha: а смысл?
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[19:09:16] _lorien: хочу в питер, но не хочу тащить монитор - дилема
[19:09:21] Муркт: тащи ноутбук
[19:09:34] _lorien: у ноутбука маленький монтор - 14 дюймаков
[19:09:51] _lorien: и плохой угол обозора и ваще гавно матрица имхо )
[19:10:17] Svoloch: _lorien: найди в Питере собутыльников с монитором
[19:10:37] _lorien: что значит собутыльников?
[19:10:59] piranha: 14" - это нормальный экран
[19:11:05] Svoloch: _lorien: поставиш пиво и пользуйся монитром
[19:11:10] piranha: ты ж не в фотошопе рисуешь
[19:11:10] _lorien: мне нравится 19
[19:11:21] piranha: а это маленький :Д
[19:11:29] piranha: всë относительно, конечно ;)
[19:11:50] _lorien: вот именно, поэтому меня мало ебёт кому что нравится, мне нравится моя девятнашка )
[19:12:31] _lorien: поставил пиов и пользуйся это жесть какая-то... это где ж таких жлобов-сожителей надо поискать :D
[19:12:35] Svoloch: кому нужен 14дюймовый на трубке? меняю на пиво
[19:13:08] _lorien: Svoloch, т.е. ты дашь пиво тому, кто вынесет его на помойку?
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[19:13:37] Svoloch: _lorien: :-D
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[19:13:54] Svoloch: он ведь рабочий... жалко
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[19:14:14] _lorien: Жалость к хламу чревата захламлением
[19:14:35] _lorien: И ещё чревато это всё опасностью, что в хламе утопнешь и не разглядишь более выгодных положений
[19:15:33] _lorien: Надо повторять эту мантру, когда подходит срок продления домена одного из моих гавносайтов :D
[19:16:13] Svoloch: хорошо шо я один в трёхкомнатной квартире... можно складировать и складировать... :)
[19:16:51] _lorien: Если там всё расчистить - вот кайф то будет, оставить только самое необходимое
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[19:18:58] Мозгошредер: http://www.dpk.com.ua/blog/20904.html - йо-маё-о-о-о
[19:19:09] Svoloch: народ! дайте не на долго какойнибудь роутер. ато собираюсь на должность админа в одну госговноконтору.... хочу попрактиковатся дома с настройкой сетей...
[19:19:45] Мозгошредер: Svoloch, тебе в физическом смысле?
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[19:21:00] Svoloch: Мозгошредер: удалённо я врядле смогу ощутить все прелести извращений с настройками...
[19:21:15] Мозгошредер: Svoloch, по ссылке ходил?
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[19:47:14] Svoloch: generatorglukoff: не могу ничего на эти слова нагуглить
[19:47:41] generatorglukoff: Svoloch: asus wl520gu
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[20:32:44] Александp: [15:01:03] Александp: подскажите, нужно при запуске джанги производить вызов некоторых функций инициализации
если их засовывать в settings, то в принципе всё работает, но печатает эксепшен Settings cannot be imported, because environment variable DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE is undefined.
куда можно засунуть эти вызовы?
[15:55:38] _lorien: ты что, пытаешься в settings.py сделать "from django.conf import settings"?
нет, запускаю импортированую функцию, у которой в свою очередь есть свои импорты, я вроде все проверил и в них тоже такого импорта пока не нашел
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[20:34:33] Александp: т.е. дело в том, что в каком-то из модулей есть такой импорт?
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[20:41:11] fandal: всем привет, люди, подскажите как сделать при печати в файл информацию отдельные части которой печатались бы с одинаковым отступом
на данный момент выводится (символы табуляции частично помогают но всё равно сдвигаются "столбцы")
например
name1 2223131 333 111
name233123 22 33333 123
тоесть, что бы все эти 4 разных значения печатались с одинаковым отступом
а то как-то не красиво когда от разный длинны name выводимая информация сильно нечитабельна становится, спасибо=)
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[20:45:16] fandal: сорри за знаки препинания щас перепечатаю, не прочитал сперва что получилось
[20:45:29] Большой Лис: =]
[20:46:27] fandal: Подскажите как сделать так, что при печати в файл информации, отдельные части которой печатались бы с одинаковым отступом.
На данный момент выводится так:
name1 2223131 333 111
name233123 22 33333 123
(символы табуляции частично помогают но всё равно сдвигаются "столбцы")
тоесть, что бы все эти 4 разных значения печатались с одинаковым отступом
а то как-то не красиво когда от разный длинны name выводимая информация сильно нечитабельна становится, спасибо=)
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