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[02:36:46] qq6ka@jabber.ru: подскажите, как можно узнать сколько запросов к БД сделал Джанго при выводе м2м?
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[06:43:18] qq6ka@jabber.ru: почему QueryDict.iterlists() из документации вызывает ошибку?
[06:51:28] qq6ka@jabber.ru: хотя остальные методы работают
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[08:26:55] _lorien: http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/idioteka/2009/07/08/
[08:27:00] _lorien: а, было, пардон
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[10:34:35] nmk: а simpledb кто-нибудь плотно занимался?
[10:35:36] mishok13: она слишком simple
[10:36:12] nmk: ну у меня пока все в теории. но мне надо simple и большую отказоусточивость.
[10:36:29] nmk: т.е. у меня один select, один insert. все.
[10:36:41] mishok13: ну, тебе наверное хватит
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[10:38:51] nmk: да мне точно хватит. :) просто я пока выбираю между каким-то своим хостингом с (tokyocabinet или couchdb) и simpledb. свой хостинг не очень нравится тем, что есть определнный гимор :) в simpledb же все просто -- докупай инстансы. можно конечно взять свой хоситнг и тупо rdbms и ждать пока оно все вырастет..
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[10:40:04] _lorien: вырастите, доплатишь денех и купишь ещё больший хостинг :D
[10:41:39] nmk: _lorien: ну. еще больший хостинг покупаьт не хочется, хочется тупо докупать машины. в бд все просто -- но много записей. надо потом будет её разносить и честно говоря с этим гемороется в rdbms не хочется, simpledb это делает за тебя. а couchdb вроде тоже это делает за тебя -- подключай только инстансы, но как-то сыкотно с ней.
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[10:41:52] mishok13: амазон, в общем и целом, решение очень и очень неплохое, как для начала
[10:42:15] nmk: ну весь мой опыт с амазоном это бэкапы в s3 :)
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[10:42:31] mishok13: ну, у нас всё на амазоне крутится
[10:42:36] mishok13: достаточно удобно
[10:42:49] _lorien: mishok13, а если вас досить будут, вы заплатите деньги за траф?
[10:43:04] mishok13: мы вообще не платим за трафик
[10:43:05] nmk: lionet как-то описывал вопросы касательно бабла. т.е. когда выгодно, когда не выгодно..
[10:43:08] mishok13: он у нас анлим
[10:43:10] mishok13: :)
[10:43:36] mishok13: ну и ддос, естественно, в первую очередь будет отсекаться самим амазоном
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[10:44:04] nmk: mishok13: а сколько по времени занимает докупить инстанс?
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[10:45:13] mishok13: минуты?
[10:45:28] mishok13: я тебе точно смогу сказать, когда опсы прийдут на работу :)
[10:45:45] nmk: ну я и спрашиваю. мне тоже кажется, что нажал и инстанс готов. но вдруг чего не понимаю :)
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[10:47:03] nmk: а amazon что-нибудь есть для раскидывания траффика по инстансам?
[10:47:27] mishok13: ты CDN или LB имеешь в виду?
[10:48:07] mishok13: CDN точно есть у амазона
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[10:49:10] mishok13: с лоад-балансером попроще -- есть Elastic Load Balancing, но он подходит только если есть весьма общие задачи
[10:49:32] mishok13: как только начинается какая-то специфика, легче перейти на HAProxy или (платный) Zeus
[10:50:09] nmk: ну задача весьма общая. раскиывать в зависимости от загрузки инстансов
[10:50:16] nmk: *раскидывать
[10:50:44] nmk: ну, в общем все довольно не плохо. буду думать..
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[11:52:37] mishok13: эта рисоваська это просто пиздец какой-то
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[12:08:20] _lorien: Как вы думаете, писать в блог, а потом копировать на хабр это нормально или тупо? )
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[12:09:39] Большой Лис: тупо
[12:09:44] Большой Лис: точнее
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[12:10:01] Большой Лис: сначала если сначала запостишь у себя
[12:10:17] Большой Лис: подождёшь пока заиндексируеться
[12:10:26] Большой Лис: и и потом только на хабру
[12:10:29] Большой Лис: тогда нормально
[12:10:40] Большой Лис: иначе тупо
[12:10:48] nmk: рисоваська пиздец, да.
[12:10:58] nmk: кто им дал бабла интересно
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[12:12:49] Большой Лис: http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=22518
[12:12:57] Большой Лис: Компания Google открыла исходные тексты собственной реализации NX сервера
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[12:13:06] Большой Лис: Google официально объявила о запуске проекта ChromeOS — дистрибутива Linux, ориентированного в основном на нетбуки.
[12:13:09] Большой Лис: ну писец
[12:13:13] Большой Лис: понеслась
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[12:33:08] mishok13: ржака
[12:33:16] mishok13: neatx на питоне написан
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[12:36:04] mishok13: почти все файлы начинаются с import gobject, хыхы
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[12:36:18] slav0nic: ns?
[12:36:50] slav0nic: а, вижу
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[12:38:44] mishok13: но в общем и целом -- очень хорошо
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[12:42:44] mishok13: GPLv2, лучше бы уже LGPL
[12:42:47] mishok13: впрочем, пох
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[12:48:58] _lorien: Заказал по инету книгу по тайм-менеджменту. Пришла в пупырчатом пакетике. Убил 2 часа.
:D
[12:50:05] огыешсук: Эти книги реально помогают?
[12:50:19] _lorien: да это цитата
[12:50:23] Большой Лис: :D
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[12:51:04] mishok13: сегодня видел девочку лет 20, которая читала книгу "Как Управлять Людьми"
[12:51:35] огыешсук: /me такую лет в 14 читал
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[12:52:13] Большой Лис: огыешсук, а ты девочка?
[12:52:44] огыешсук: Большой Лис: на сколько мне известно -- нет, а почему вы спрашиваете?
[12:53:08] mishok13: чем раньше прочитаешь, тем раньше управлять начнешь
[12:53:10] _lorien: я в 14 ничо не читал - тупым ходил
[12:53:11] mishok13: проверенно
[12:53:20] Большой Лис: ну мишок про девочку говорил
[12:53:27] red-agent: because of methodology described in those books are mostly used by girls...
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[12:54:04] Большой Лис: /me ставит палёный ФШ на палёную винду на легальной виртуалке :D
[12:54:26] _lorien: ФШ? ВЗФ?
[12:55:13] red-agent: огыешсук, not that you couldn't do a blowjob, no... But I think you just won't find that kind of people to control...
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[12:56:22] огыешсук: red-agent: Хм. Книжка то называлась как управлять Людьми, а не Мужчинами. Множества, конечно имеют много общего, но они разные.
[12:56:31] Большой Лис: _lorien, фотошлёп
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[13:01:49] rfafdls: red-agent: Люди Э Мужчины
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[13:02:41] red-agent: Well, that's another story...
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[13:02:58] red-agent: I think they fight each other for the zones of influence...
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[13:03:56] rfafdls: red-agent: Кто?
[13:04:10] red-agent: Women, of course.
[13:04:25] red-agent: I mean they don't need to control each other. All they need to control is men.
[13:04:28] Большой Лис: а чойта ты по англицки заговорил?
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[13:05:46] rfafdls: red-agent: М+Ж=Л.
[13:06:22] red-agent: rfafdls, Have you read what I've written?
[13:06:46] red-agent: Ж is out of the equation
[13:06:50] rfafdls: red-agent: yes
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[13:09:10] Муркт: red-agent: reboot
[13:09:48] red-agent: I'm coding at the moment. Don't want to restart all the machinery now.
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[13:31:47] _lorien: блин, в pidgin смайлики меня пугают
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[13:32:35] Большой Лис: :D
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[13:35:24] Муркт: http://www.intuitiongames.com/effing-hail/
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[13:50:02] mishok13: нихрена не понял
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[13:50:55] mishok13: не получается даже маленький ветер создать
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[13:51:48] feedbot: Интегрируем django admin interface и wysiwyg редактор xinha http://web-brains.com/2009/07/08/integriruem-django-admin-interface-i-wysiwyg-redaktor-xinha/
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[13:57:46] mishok13: тюблин
[13:58:16] mishok13: http://l-homes.org/~leppa/forbid.jpg
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[13:58:54] mishok13: это из Win7, мастер называется """Перевірка проблем із продуктивністью"""
[13:59:59] piranha: fuck
[14:00:12] piranha: почему есть такие убогие редакторы, которые оставляют после себя trailing whitespace'ы?
[14:00:20] piranha: и почему есть люди, которые ими пользуются? :(
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[14:01:22] piranha: в ви легко сделать, чтоб стирало
[14:01:26] piranha: и чтоб показывало
[14:01:30] piranha: а в эклипсе - нет
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[15:55:33] Большой Лис: http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/science/2009/07/090708_google_new_os.shtml
[15:55:35] Большой Лис: ХАХА
[15:55:41] Большой Лис: бред на бреде и бредом погоняет
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[15:57:14] Мозгошредер: оно хоть открытое будет? :)
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[15:58:44] Большой Лис: "Новая операционная система будет построена на основе браузера Google Chrome"
[15:58:45] Большой Лис: ыыы
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[15:59:07] Большой Лис: "Этот релиз может серьезно поколебать позиции ОС Linux"
[15:59:17] Большой Лис: а ничо что это и есть линукс?
[15:59:22] Optik: ничо
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[15:59:27] Большой Лис: пусть модифицированый
[15:59:35] Мозгошредер: без Х-ов 90% даю
[15:59:58] Мозгошредер: андроид же без них
[16:00:09] Мозгошредер: а значит наша гуйня идет лесом пока не перепишут
[16:00:21] slav0nic: небось запускалка для вебсервера, вебсвервер, браузер и доуя js )
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[16:00:34] Мозгошредер: slav0nic, но оно будет папулярна
[16:00:39] Мозгошредер: ибо гугл!
[16:00:45] slav0nic: угу
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[16:05:24] tilarids: "I told him that I couldn't afford to feed my family of five kids on equity. He said the best he could offer was $3000 a month." Офигеть, мне б такое the best he could offer. :) Надо переезжать в буржуйские страны
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[16:06:58] _lorien: ммм, 3к реально получать удалённо
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[16:07:53] Rodegast: Что там с форумом происходит почему зайти нельзя?
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[16:07:57] Мозгошредер: _lorien, с красными глазами спросонья в 3 ночи общаешься с работодателем, у которого 10 утра? :)
[16:08:12] _lorien: Мозгошредер, нет
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[16:11:32] _lorien: Правда удалённо это часто вчёрную т.е. нарушение закона - уход от налогово, если только ты не будешь сам эти налоги платить, отсутствие стажа и прочая херь (
[16:12:36] slav0nic: Rodegast, куда нельзя?
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[16:13:56] Rodegast: На http://python.su/forum постоянно говорит что не верен пароль.
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[16:15:12] slav0nic: значит он не верен)
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[16:16:47] _lorien: а как в pidgin сделать, чтобы сообщения отправлялись по ctrl+enter (по дефолту там просто enter)
[16:17:01] tilarids: _lorien, это фриланс по 120-150 часов в месяц?
[16:17:03] slav0nic: там хитро
[16:18:07] _lorien: tilarids, это что угодно за что тебе платят 3к в месяц.
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[16:19:49] tilarids: _lorien, и ты знаешь такие денежные места?
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[16:21:26] tilarids: чтобы еще и более-менее надежно было?
[16:21:29] _lorien: Я написал в блог, что ищу работу, ко мне обращались пару раз, я нашёл, что нужно. Потом ещё какой-то колым нашёл ) Потом пришлось уже говорить, спасибо, уже нашёл работу. По знакомым поспрашивай. Просто придумай сколько ты хочешь денег и ищи такую работу )
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[16:22:06] slav0nic: миллион
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[16:22:31] _lorien: tilarids, тот же одеск, вон хрюндель достаточно быстро нашёл
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[16:22:51] tilarids: _lorien, да мне и моя работа нравится :) ЗП не нравится
[16:23:02] tilarids: sevenov, видел askdev.ru?
[16:23:17] _lorien: tilarids, ищи другую работу, шо тут можно ещё сказать или не ищи... короче нечего сказать тут ))
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[16:24:35] tilarids: _lorien, да я сетую на то, что у нас уровень зарплат низкий, а не на работу. Чуваку из цитаты 3k было мало.
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[16:25:44] _lorien: Наверное так всегда. Например, поработаешь полгода или года за стока-то денег и думаешь, хм, вон вася получает больше меня, а я чо самый рыжий. Не было бы васи - и хер с ним - жил бы счастливо. Ан, нет, Вася всё портит. И ты пытаешься догнать васю, шобы не чувствовать такую несправедливость )
[16:26:02] slav0nic: )
[16:26:09] tilarids: _lorien, да не. Деньги мне хватает
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[16:26:13] tilarids: времени жалко :)
[16:26:18] Rodegast: slav0nic я с этим паролем постоянно туда заходил, он не может быть не верным. http://python.su/ вобще 503 ошибку выдаёт. Перемудрили вы что то с новым движком...
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[16:26:31] slav0nic: де ты видишь новый?)
[16:26:58] slav0nic: пиши в личку короче
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[16:28:48] _lorien: Гмгм, получается, что деньги то тебе как раз и не хватает. Ибо если тебе нужно больше времени, то ты должен меньше работать, но тогда ты будешь получать меньше и умрёшь с голоду )
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[16:31:12] tilarids: _lorien, нет, я просто ленив. Мне не времени больше нужно, я хочу больше лениться
[16:31:42] _lorien: лениться же скучно
[16:31:56] _lorien: вот я кучу времени трачу не знаю на что.. туплю
[16:32:04] _lorien: не ленюсь.. .туплю... может, это одно и то же
[16:33:16] tilarids: _lorien, ну, лениться можно по разному
[16:33:35] tilarids: я вот когда ленюсь, могу учить хаскель или кодить задачки на projecteuler
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[16:37:00] Муркт: tilarids: в icfpc участвовать :)
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[16:38:00] _lorien: я ленюсь, когда работа наскучивает, а наскучиваем мне всё, всегда и быстро )
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[16:41:32] slav0nic: _lorien, таже проблема, вначале не интересно писать однотипный код (аля модели в джанге и тп), + в конце не интересно, когда уже знаешь как решить проблему/задачу
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[17:51:50] feedbot: Python Projects in Users’ Home Directories with wsgi http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/8zavl/python_projects_in_users_home_directories_with/
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[18:45:03] _lorien: http://jujuju.ru - чочо, клон твитера
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[18:45:37] slav0nic: ))
[18:45:39] slav0nic: и ты уже отметился
[18:47:01] _lorien: Меня человек туда позвал, мол, буду рад регистрации и приглашению друзей. Но, вот, я и сюда поспамил :-) Сам то я вряд ли юзать буду, твитер и жуйка не попёрли у меня
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[18:47:23] slav0nic: да, гавнаспам с жуйки подкумарил, тоже отписался
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[19:15:03] _lorien: http://www.django-apps.com/ гы, на вордпрессе
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[19:16:38] _lorien: какая-то аппа была для джанги, там был thumbnail фильтер, никто не помнит?
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[19:20:38] _lorien: http://code.google.com/p/sorl-thumbnail/
пыщь-пыщь
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[19:35:54] tilarids: _lorien, с чего ты решил, что оно на вордпрессе?
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[19:48:49] _lorien: http://sorl-thumbnail.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/sorl/thumbnail/README.TXT отпад )
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[22:43:32] red-agent is now xa
[22:43:52] tilarids is now online
[22:44:27] _lorien is now xa
[22:46:49] Portnov is now away
[22:47:13] Portnov is now online
[22:48:52] tilarids is now away
[22:52:08] red-agent is now online
[22:56:23] Effgen is now away
[22:57:10] red-agent is now away
[22:57:13] Effgen is now Я здесь.
[22:58:02] огыешсук is now offline
[22:58:52] tilarids is now xa
[22:59:30] _lorien is now online
[23:00:31] Большой Лис is now online
[23:02:55] Portnov is now away
[23:07:09] red-agent is now xa
[23:07:49] Portnov is now online
[23:09:02] a1fred is now Да, я здесь.
[23:09:30] _lorien is now away
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[23:14:27] _lorien is now xa
[23:19:17] Большой Лис is now offline
[23:33:38] Optik is now away
[23:33:39] Optik is now away
[23:33:48] Optik is now online
[23:39:27] _lorien is now online
[23:41:19] Portnov is now offline
[23:41:38] Effgen is now offline
[23:44:23] mishok13 is now offline
[23:44:38] mishok13 is now xa
[23:50:22] tilarids is now online
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[23:58:41] Мозгошредер is now online