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[00:25:33] tilarids: тут кто-нибудь утелом пользуется?
[00:27:16] tilarids: как там тарифный план сменить?
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[02:51:11] feedbot: Язык программирования Python / Пишем апплет для GNOME на Python http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/64279/
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[04:01:09] qq6ka: здравствуйте, force_update = True не работает в версии 1.0.2?
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[09:21:31] qq6ka: чё за день... from django.db.models import Avg говорит что нет такого...
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[09:25:35] qq6ka: где её найти?
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[09:26:13] _lorien: grep поможет тебе
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[09:31:15] qq6ka: короче нету(
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[10:13:29] Большой Лис: http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=22579
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[10:15:26] qq6ka: я правильно понимаю что в версии 1.0.2 aggregation просто отсутствует, или я как обычно что-то не так делаю?
[10:17:55] Большой Лис: qq6ka, правильно
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[10:19:12] qq6ka: и ворс_апдейт тоже?
[10:19:16] qq6ka: *форс
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[10:21:43] Большой Лис: qq6ka, почему бы тебе в chengelog не заглянуть?
[10:22:12] qq6ka: да я как-то не особо понимаю где он
[10:22:44] _lorien: qq6ka, почему бы не заглянуть в код?
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[10:53:40] xa4a: по ходу круто! http://stickerity.com/
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[11:02:24] Большой Лис: чото
[11:02:27] Большой Лис: не показывает стикеры
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[11:02:31] Большой Лис: на других сайтах
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[11:02:47] xa4a: поставить плагин
[11:02:51] xa4a: и залогиниться в нём
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[11:04:03] Большой Лис: ну ты меня совсем за дурака держишь походу
[11:04:42] Большой Лис: вот видно ссылка с сайта
[11:04:43] Большой Лис: http://web.artlebedev.ru/everything/ponos/2009/07/13/
[11:04:56] xa4a: тут у меня тоже..
[11:05:00] xa4a: linux.org.ru попробуй
[11:05:14] Большой Лис: тут tehpromavtomatika.ru вижу
[11:05:16] Большой Лис: всё путём
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[11:06:03] xa4a: а ещё оно получается на каждую открытую страницу по ~45kb трафа хавает
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[11:06:26] xa4a: и раскрывает ещё все страницы посещённые в плейнтексте
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[11:06:55] xa4a: и, по-моему, фф тормозить ещё больше стал
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[11:08:57] Большой Лис: как обычно короче
[11:09:09] Большой Лис: идея хорошая, а реализация пока требует доработки
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[11:34:34] tilarids: так это вроде уже давно такое есть, только немного в другом исполнении
[11:34:47] tilarids: мы как-то участвовали немного в подобном проекте
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[12:15:35] _lorien: Just drop in $VIM/plugin and set g:SCMDiffCommand to the base command of the SCM system of your choice: i.e. 'svn', 'hg', 'git'.
А что значит set g:SCMDiffCommand, как это? Пытался писать в ~/.vimrc set g:SCMDiffCommand=hg - ругается
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[12:18:22] _lorien: уже отпал вопрос
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[12:28:38] sevenov: xa4a, ты где про стикерити узнал?
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[12:28:52] xa4a: видел уже два упоминания
[12:29:04] xa4a: лор и вконтакте
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[12:31:01] sevenov: $ ping itquest.ru
$ ping stickerity.com
ы )
[12:32:03] xa4a: гыгм
[12:32:08] Большой Лис: хыхы
[12:32:18] xa4a: sevenov: твоё что ли?
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[12:32:33] xa4a: то-то глючное такое)
[12:32:47] sevenov: xa4a, неа. Помнишь, может, заходил пару раз сюда - friday.
[12:32:52] xa4a: аха
[12:32:56] sevenov: вот его.
[12:33:31] sevenov: т.к. оно глючное и тормозное, что на клиенте, что на сервере, пришлось всю динамику отключить и оставить стикерити :))
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[12:34:34] sevenov: хотя странно, все жабаскрипты должны были закешироваться.
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[12:35:44] xa4a: и sticker.css два раза грузится каждый раз
[12:36:16] xa4a: Expires Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:01 GMT
[12:36:24] xa4a: Cache-Control no-cache
[12:36:26] xa4a: буэ
[12:36:31] _lorien: кто-нить знает клёвый js календарик, лёгкий, без всяких там jquery ui
[12:36:47] tilarids: _lorien, можно на jquery без ui :)
[12:37:09] _lorien: можно, я не спорю, я грю, кто-нить знает нормальный каледарик проверенный )
[12:37:23] tilarids: _lorien, ну, вот я тебе и предлагаю
[12:37:30] tilarids: к первому твоему запросу оно подойдёт ;)
[12:37:34] tilarids: ui там не будет
[12:37:44] tilarids: и вроде как вполне нормальный
[12:37:48] Большой Лис: _lorien, в html5 input type="date"
[12:37:49] Большой Лис: =]
[12:37:52] Большой Лис: самый лучши ;)
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[12:38:14] _lorien: tilarids, он там одни что на jquery? Я предполагаю, что их тыща )
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[12:54:25] sevenov: Большой Лис, лутший!
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[12:57:24] _lorien: http://www.kelvinluck.com/assets/jquery/datePicker/v2/demo/
остановился на этом
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[12:58:33] sevenov: Большой Лис, знаешь что, нужно было еще common lisp затронуть в топике :)
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[12:59:11] tilarids: _lorien, вот на это я как раз и намекал. На jquery, но без ui
[12:59:21] tilarids: вроде самый стандартный
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[12:59:52] _lorien: tilarids, блин, вроде два раза пытался сказать, попробую третий
[13:00:17] _lorien: их десятки, если не сотни этих календариков на базе jqueryt, я спрашивал совета, кто знает провернный хороший календарик
[13:00:54] tilarids: _lorien, я понял. Просто для меня казалось очевидным, что стоит использовать этот календарик. Он вроде как дефолтный.
[13:01:01] tilarids: Хотя, может это для меня он дефолтный ;)
[13:01:43] sevenov: _lorien, на вовебе дохуя календарей!
[13:01:44] sevenov: =))
[13:02:24] _lorien: sevenov, шож ты раньше то молчал! :D
[13:02:41] sevenov: _lorien, ну они там "от быдла быдлу" :D
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[13:03:29] slav0nic: http://code.google.com/p/js-hcalendar/ вот чёт есть
[13:03:31] _lorien: я понимаю, это я пошутил так в последнем сообщении
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[13:03:49] _lorien: проснулся :D
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[13:04:54] _lorien: не, там шото другое, шобы визуализировать семантическую разметку времени
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[13:51:09] feedbot: Язык программирования Python / Пишем апплет для GNOME на Python http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/64317/
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[14:10:17] _lorien: а от блока импортов надо делать один отступ или два перед первой функцией (в корневом namespace модуля)? Что там pep8 говорит про это?
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[14:11:20] cutwater: вопрос, есть какой-нибудь более человеческий способ заменить это

import twisted.words.protocols.jabber.client, \
twisted.words.protocols.jabber.jid, \
twisted.words.protocols.jabber.xmlstream
import twisted.words.protocols.jabber as jabber
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[14:13:37] _lorien: заменить на что?
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[14:14:10] sevenov: Эмм.

import twisted.words.protocols.jabber
from twisted.words.protocols.jabber import client, jid, xmlstream
[14:14:11] sevenov: ?
[14:14:36] _lorien: import twisted.words.protocols.jabber as jabber => from twisted.words.protocols import jabber?
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[14:15:51] cutwater: просто мне не нравится - сильно много текста
[14:16:11] cutwater: и не хотелось бы в модуле глобальные референсы иметь (client, jid, xmlstream)
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[14:17:53] red-agent: from twisted.words.protocols.jabber import *
[14:18:00] red-agent: грязно и эффективно
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[14:19:04] _lorien: cutwater, ну импорти from protocls import jabber и юзай jabber.client, jabber.jid и т.д.
[14:19:31] cutwater: так как это модули то их все равно надо импортить явно же ?
[14:19:57] _lorien: не знаю, смотря что там в jabber/__init__.py
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[14:20:09] sevenov: cutwater, по моему, ты хочешь то, чего не надо хотеть :)
[14:20:23] cutwater: возможно, я всегда этого хочу
[14:20:40] _lorien: cutwater, возможно, в jabber/__init__.py эти модули импортятся
[14:20:47] cutwater: просто хочу обращаться как jabber.jid, jabber.client и т.п.
[14:20:55] cutwater: _lorien, проверял. не все.
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[14:21:28] sevenov: cutwater, дык импорти тогда просто from ... import jabber
[14:21:38] cutwater: ок.
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[14:22:19] sevenov: from twisted.words.protocols import jabber
[14:23:03] cutwater: я понял. сенкс.
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[16:36:18] sevenov: Призываю всех поклонников динамической типизации http://juick.com/183041 :-))
[16:37:48] sevenov: piranha, ну не так же :DD
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[16:38:59] Большой Лис: :D
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[16:40:12] sevenov: Но вообще да, окамл мне понравился как-то больше эрланга.
[16:40:43] piranha: sevenov: )
[16:40:48] piranha: erlang sux
[16:41:25] sevenov: piranha, та не сакс, просто ...
[16:41:28] sevenov: нет слов =)
[16:42:10] piranha: та есть
[16:42:22] piranha: синтаксис говно, производительность говно
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[16:43:30] Большой Лис: кто нибудь с netdirect.de работал?
[16:43:48] piranha: sevenov: так лучше?
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[16:44:11] red-agent: синтаксис -- не говно.
[16:44:20] red-agent: синтаксис -- просто epic fail.
[16:44:41] piranha: ну в общем в здравом уме такое лучше просто не юзать, потому что смысла нету никакого
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[16:45:03] Большой Лис: sevenov, ты так и не сказал что за задача у тебя
[16:45:40] sevenov: Большой Лис, эта задача пишется практически на любом ЯП :-) Простой stream-сервер.
[16:46:02] piranha: основная задача у него - развести флейм
[16:46:03] piranha: ;)
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[16:47:09] Большой Лис: ага, задачу можно считать выполненной :)
[16:47:20] Большой Лис: sevenov, чо стримать?
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[16:47:54] sevenov: piranha, вообще да.
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[16:48:16] piranha: на что это ответ?
[16:48:27] sevenov: piranha, про флейм )
[16:48:46] sevenov: Большой Лис, это уже будет ясно позже )
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[16:49:00] Большой Лис: хах
[16:49:07] Большой Лис: тогда не всё так просто
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[16:49:41] sevenov: Разбирать бинарные потоки и что-то куда-то стримать.
[16:50:43] sevenov: Надо новую тему придумать в жуйк
[16:50:46] sevenov: и раскурить ее
[16:51:20] piranha: шото чувак то ли успокоился, то ли тормозит
[16:51:23] Большой Лис: "флудерастия"?
[16:51:57] sevenov: piranha, Который флешежрочер? Да он не адекватен.
[16:52:12] piranha: ага
[16:52:15] piranha: да долбоëб
[16:52:23] sevenov: скажем, типичный.
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[16:53:12] piranha: впадло шото флеймить
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[16:54:48] xa4a: piranha: надо думать об этом перед сообщением о мнении флешеров
[16:55:01] piranha: xa4a: :D
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[17:01:33] piranha: sevenov: какая архитектура у флешеров, о чëм ты...
[17:01:40] sevenov: piranha, написал сразу же =)
[17:01:43] piranha: !!!
[17:01:44] piranha: ага
[17:01:46] piranha: одновременно ;)
[17:01:58] sevenov: piranha, прекрати говорить моими мыслями :D
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[17:03:51] wiz_: sevenov, хороший, годный вброс (ж
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[17:04:22] sevenov: А что, хороший же какотред =)
[17:05:22] wiz_: Сношались в куче кони, люди и залпы тысячи орудий слились в протяжный вой
[17:05:45] sevenov: оО
[17:05:48] sevenov: Траваа )
[17:05:57] wiz_: (с) Бородино
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[17:21:52] xa4a: где был линк про то, что чувак пришёл, сделал работу за неделю, за которую прошлый программист два года деньги получал?
[17:22:51] piranha: ithappens.ru
[17:23:16] xa4a: точно. спасибо.
[17:23:49] friseur: это про БД, что вручную вбивали?
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[17:25:10] sevenov: friseur, нет, это про чувака, который пришел, написал и получил бабло, в тот момент, как штатный прогер писал год и упирался, что это не реально.
[17:25:13] sevenov: наверное
[17:25:14] xa4a: http://ithappens.ru/story/890
[17:25:15] sevenov: xa4a, ?
[17:25:27] sevenov: а, да )
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[17:37:36] tilarids: вопрос по джанге - у вас не бывало, что include в темплейте просто не срабатывает?
[17:37:50] tilarids: вот рядом такой же - срабатывает
[17:37:58] tilarids: а определенный include не срабатывает
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[17:39:05] xa4a: вряд ли
[17:39:46] _lorien: tilarids, м.б. внутри include ошибка?
[17:39:46] tilarids: плохо
[17:39:54] _lorien: точно не помн, вроде б он просто ничо не выводит тогда
[17:39:58] tilarids: у меня такое в админке :(
[17:40:04] tilarids: _lorien, какая ошибка?
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[17:40:12] _lorien: tilarids, страшная и ужасная
[17:40:17] xa4a: критическая
[17:40:34] tilarids: _lorien, нет, какой тип ошибок мне искать?
[17:40:38] _lorien: например ошибка в логике темплейттэга
[17:40:52] sevenov: tilarids, да, бывало.
[17:40:55] _lorien: или так: {% if foo %}foobar{% endifequal %}
[17:41:33] sevenov: tilarids, самое интересное, что никак не выловить. Ты просто заюзай этот код напрямую, не инклудив его.
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[17:48:34] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/startup/64349/
[17:48:36] Большой Лис: _lorien, http://www.dynarch.com/projects/calendar/
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[17:50:30] sevenov: _lorien, охох, и долго же он будет переводить джангодок /db/models
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[17:50:58] _lorien: а там просто на слово наводишь и он переводит
[17:51:05] _lorien: выборочно, что хочешь
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[17:55:56] tilarids: разработчики сатчмы обязаны после смерти попасть в адд
[17:56:05] tilarids: по крайней мере, я им этого желаю
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[17:56:27] tilarids: сцуки они
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[17:56:34] tilarids: простите за мои грубые выражения
[17:56:38] piranha: tilarids: гыгы, прëшься по коду? :)
[17:56:45] tilarids: piranha, нее, по коду я уже не прусь
[17:56:50] piranha: та ничего, я тоже видал само чмо
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[17:57:39] tilarids: разрабов сатчмо на всю оставшуюсь жизнь нужно приколотить к креслу и заставить писать ТЕСТЫ!!! МНОГО ТЕСТОВ!!!
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[17:58:14] piranha: и пить йад
[17:58:24] tilarids: а за корявость кода им в следующей жизни воздастся. Они родятся червяками
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[17:58:46] _lorien: tilarids, так не юзай, пиши с нуля )
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[17:59:12] tilarids: _lorien, не я решаю, что использовать :) И не я решаю, что поддерживать.
[17:59:18] tilarids: За сатчму платят деньги :)
[17:59:29] _lorien: tilarids, ты решаешь - увольняйся ;-)
[17:59:30] tilarids: Так что я не жалуюсь
[17:59:43] _lorien: увы, жалуешься )
[17:59:47] tilarids: _lorien, нене
[17:59:53] tilarids: это не то
[18:00:22] tilarids: это злоба
[18:00:42] sevenov: @yelbota интересный хомячок :)
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[18:01:51] tilarids: sevenov, это который флешер?
[18:01:59] sevenov: tilarids, угу.
[18:02:09] tilarids: я так и не дочитал вашу интереснейшую дискуссию благодаря свалившемуся на меня багу
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[18:02:48] sevenov: tilarids, за саЧмо бабки платят? о_О
[18:02:50] sevenov: Круто!
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[18:03:23] tilarids: sevenov, не, платят бабки за магазины на сатчмо
[18:03:58] sevenov: tilarids, я слово "поддержку" пропустил )
[18:04:21] tilarids: хотя, сатчмо иногда и интересна. Там такие чудесные перлы иногда попадаются, что даже интересно искаь
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[18:05:05] tilarids: кстати, немного злобы отправляется и разрабам джанги - за то, что при инклюде не показывают трейсбек
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[18:05:56] Муркт: я дочитал про хомячка
[18:06:19] piranha: tilarids: немного?!
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[18:10:18] tilarids: piranha, разрабам сатчмы направляется куда больше
[18:10:32] piranha: убедил
[18:10:39] piranha: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0
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[18:21:25] sevenov: Зацените вещества:
[07:14:41 PM] d_blacky: дайте скриншот просачивается
[07:14:55 PM] L29Ah: T͖̟̹̦̤̣̦̹̒̌ͥ͑̇͐͊͝o̴͍̼̯̭͓͍̝̰̊͆̌͝ ̟̳͈̝̼ͦͥ͘͡i͇̺̬̭̻ͯͣ͂n̻̳͙̯̜̼͇̿ͮ͛̑v̴̶̪̲̟͕͈̙̋̈́̆̆̾ö̩̻̥͍̟̩̦́k̮͖͚̻͆̉͌ͪ̒̽͆ͬe̴̸͚̹̬͓̠̤͑̋ͯ̔̿ͬͅͅ ̺̻͓̱̤ͨ͊ͧ͒͊t̶̨͔͖̹̼̰͓̻̂̉̈́̿ͮ͝h͉͕̠͈̙̫̲̝̫͛ͩ͟e̝͇̦̹͑̌͜ ̨̥̇͊ḩ̛̦̙̳̳̲͐͞i̪̳͒̔͢v̵ͨ͋ͮ̔̏ͩ҉̥̜͚̭͖e̟̙̣͈̥͒̈̎ͦͅ-̣̳͍͕͋͌͌̂̆͡ͅm̥͉̝͔͓̻̊͗ͩͮ͠ỉ̧͙̬͇͓̇ͧͣ̍ͥṋ̗͙͇͉͕̬͙͙ͭ͑̂̍̇̇͑͐͋d̼̭̆̋ͭ́̅̏̇͘ ̵͍̜͔͙̗̼͚̫̒͊ͯ̇͌̃̈́͟͞r̢ͤ̉̄ͣ͋͏͓́e̷̢͕̠ͮ̈́̆ͅp̡̯̮̲͇͕̩ͧ̇̍̚̕ŗ͇͖̒̎͋ͪͣe̸̴̢͎̖̠̫̪͔̽́̽͛ͅs̹̳͖͉͇̣̻̊ͣͤ̄̌͛̓̚͟e͐ͪ̋̿̓͏̠͚̼̪̣̰ͅn̶͖̖͕̺̠͔̻͈̐ͬͫͫ̑͘t̥̪̤̹͎̹̞ͧ͑ͧ͝͡ͅị̮̩̥̮͙͎̓͑͠ͅn̷̼͔̗͎̩̫͔͊g̶̞̱̝͙̝͙̋́̄͌̅͢͝ ̘͙̮ͫ̉ͪ͢c̟̲͕͕̩̓̎͞ḣ̶̸̩͚̦̬̱̤͔̹͈́̔͐ͤ͡aͭ̃̐̌ͮͦ͏̫̜̣̬̲̙̭͢ò̠̭̖ͥͩ̈́͆̓̈s̴̛͓͓̲̲͋̊͑̐̓ͩͬ͑.͎̳̄͋ ̷̢̹̳͙̹̙͍̙̅̂ͩͧ̾̚I̮̤̪̹̠̾͋̃n̶̺̫͓̲̥̠͔̄́̓ͪ̍͋͢v̡̭͕͙̣ͫ̎ͮ͐̄̇͛̚̕ͅoͬͧ̿ͫ̔̉ͫ̽̚҉͈̦͕k̸̽̎̐͏̱͇͜ḯ҉̵̻̣̫̞̭̳̰͖̬n̷̜͖̞̮̬͈͖͍̿̓͂͛̾͋̽̉͠͝g̡̰̹͌ͨ̆ͬͯ͌ͥ̋̚͡ ̴̨͙̲̪̜ͤͥͤ̉ͫͯ̒̉ẗ̨̬̹̼̯͆̍ͮ̓͘hͬ̽҉̛͓̘̩̯̥̜e͂̏̓̿̍͠҉̣̲̳̮̩͍̕ ͕̼͇̙̪̣̠͈͔ͭͯ̀ͭ͒f͎̗̳͎̥̈́̑͌͛̌̏ͥ͞e̸̡̠͉͓̰̙ͣͭ̈͊̈̐̔̊ḛ̦͕̯̋̒ͭ̇̅̿͡l̶̝͓̳̗̮̻͍̯̋ͨ̅̊̅̾ĭ͕̬̥̥̾ͣ̓n̶̝̞̬̦̄̃g̥̖͇͙̠̽ͬ́ͯ̽ͫ̉ ̳͈̪́͛ͯͫ́ͬͯ̑o͔̰̪̰͒̎ͮ͘͢f͖͓͇̣ͨ͂ͤ̚̕ ̛̘͍̗̣̟̬̼ͥ̓c̵̸͔̩͔̩̫̰̜̐͑̎ͯ̚ͅh̨͙͈̥̉ͫ̈̿͆̔ͣä̧̺̪͔͔̱͓̠̞ͮ̇͒̍̊o̶̴̟̱̻̻͙͂͜s̼̱̣̩̦̺̖͕̈̆͋̒͂ͨͥ̀͞͝.͓̣͎̳͇̤͇̺͗ͩ͆̆̅ͤ͡͝ ̶̬̬̱̟̜̼̓̆͂̽̍ͣ̒͒͢͜Ẅ̧̦́ͩ̚iͫ͒͐͛̿͏̳͕̞̙͝t̺̝̣̥̻͓͂̐̏̍͢h̐́ͨ́͏̶̱̝̮̞͖͓̬ ̶̺͉̓͌̆ͯ̐̍ͤo͓̺̻̪̗̗̓̇ͭ͆ͪ̓̚̕͟ͅͅụ̧̡̠̰̭̒̅̄̒̊ͮ̈́t̞̯͓̲͕̗̹̤ͥ̋ͣ͌ ͖̐̌̑̉͑̉͟o̖̣̖͕ͤ̐͗̍͐͠r̬̃ͧ͌̈̔d̖͔̝̱͎̙͒ͫeͮ̌̔ͪ҉̣̠̰̳r̲̠̠̪̯̙̬̲ͬ̾ͪͪ̅ͥ̚͘.̵̝̜̣̝̙͚ͪ̑̃͆̂͘ ͍̪̼̦̲̰̇͑̋ͥ̓̍͒ͣͦ̕ͅT̴͙͙̱͚̳͕̤̩̈́̏̂ͩ̐ͅh̵̴͔̙̻̺͕̽e̙̗̜̞̓͑ͬ̓ͥͯͧ̂ ̴̲̲ͤͣ̀N͚͍̻̿̒͌̍͆e͕̹͖̊̔̏ͫ̍ͬͥ̚͠z̸̖̦̯̮̠̑p͎̭͂ͦ̇ͬͦ͌͞ḙ͆̆̉̽̉͗r̢̬͔̬͓̺͇͎̬̘̆ͤ́̆̋̕͝dͥͫ̊̾͋ͪͩ̒̐҉̙͇̩͉i͍̙̬̦͙͉͍ͮ͡ͅǎ̸̡̘̩̟̮̫̋̿̇̈́̀n̸̶̜̻̲̝̰̗͙̍̌̓͐̾ͯ̀ ̩̣̻͍͔̩̥̱̈̊̆̎̔̔͑̕h̵̸̝̳̮̫̙̮͖̬̔̂͗̂͞i̴̪͎̖̠͐́̋͌͜͞v̺́̔ͬͨ̉ͅë̬̙̪̞́̈́͐͋̃̒ͩ-̶̳̮̖̳͎̻͓̯̪ͬ̋̄ṃ̡̗̩̩̦ͨͧ͑̽̄͠i͈̭͖̞̫͔͋͑̆̆ͣ͜n͙̠̙̦̫̺̩̐͊̓̐̍̚d̷͓̜͖̪̼͉̟̤͛͑͗̋ ͉ͤͧͦ̄̓̔ͧ̍͑̕͘o̗̦̹̫̹ͭͤf̶̛̖̣̦̯͚̪̞̞ͨ̂̌̃̇̎̐ ̈̐̄̔̾͑͏̵͇̤̰c̠̘̗̹̰̬̱̝̖ͦ̒ͧ̿̌̿͘ḧ̫̙̬͇̳͍͔́̊͒ͮ́͂͡a̫̪͙͎͉̲͎̹͋͆ͮͪ̿ͪ͋o͇͉̒̊ͧ̃̋̈́̈́̀̕s̷͉̘̹̟̺̦̅͌.̵̮̝̠̎̈́̕͞ ̬̹̠͈̫͔͕̓ͭͮ̀̆ͪͅZ̩̻͎͓̯̲̓ͥͫͪ̎ą̹͔̖̖̱͍̥̞́̂̀̈ͭ͂̈̂͛l̨̮ͪ̒͌ͦ̊ͧ̊͛͘͜g̪͔̩̑͆̆̏͛͌ͩ̋ớ̢̳̮̫̬̣͈͔ͨ̽ͧ̔̋.͍̦͇͔̲͓͔̜ͯ͂̆̋́̕ ̡̯͈̺̣̮̙̒͒̀̆ ̴̫̎̂ͪ͛͑̌̉ͯ͢Ḧ̫̤́ͨ̄͜͢͠e̲̯͍͇̫̋ ̮̱̗͍̤͚̬̞̟̾͘͢ẅ̢͙̭̥̜̿̍̀̏͌h̸̦̰ͥͧ̾̃͘o̊̅ͩ̔̾̅͛҉̯̳͢ ͣ̉͋̐͆̈ͪ҉̧̦͎̹͓͚͉̻͘W̛̬̣̅ͧ̒ͣ̌̅͒ͭ͝aͩ͌̿̓̈͆̋҉̤͇͔̘̙̮̖̝͕̕ị̛̱̑͗͌̋ͣ̀͢ţ̞͙̔̉ͮ̚͝s̵̜͓̄͑̍̆ͣ̈́͌ͧ̈́ ̶͕͖ͧͫ͂̔B̵͔̩ͤ̔̀̄͆̒̽̕e̢̟̲̯̹͙ͩ͒́̊͝h̄͑ͦ̆̒͏̭̜̗̟̕i̢͎̙͔͚̻̜̠͋̓̍ͧ͗͑ͪ͛͜n̴̨̓̑҉͔d̰̮͈̺͑̓͗́͜ ̨͇̤ͤͨ̓͋̕T̑ͭͥ̋̐̾҉̴̛̭h̬̱̰͉ͤ̊̉ẽ͔̤̱͇̱̮͗͂͠ͅ ̖͍̦̯̦̹͕ͬ̒̏͢͞W͓̘̩͙ͥ̑́͂͐a̸͊ͦ̅ͯ́҉͍͓̩͔͎l̗͚̰̬̘̫͎ͥͤ̓ͅl̻̄͆́ͯ̔̈́̾.̣̠̯̝̞͚͚͒ͬ͆̅̈͜͢͢ ̬͇͍̞̫̱̟̒͛͑ͦͤͩ̐̾͟Z͉̝̰̣̩̞̭͌̆́̅̓̑̒͜A̷̡̺͒͗̐̒L͑͌͐ͥ́͞҉̛̪̜̙͔G̿̍̈́̿͒ͭ̍ͮ̍҉̡̞̻̯̩̮̤̰̹O̲̯̯̭ͣͬ̔͘!̩̬͙͇͚͇̩̄̒͐͌̈͗ͨ̀ͅ
[07:15:04 PM] d_blacky: это не скриншот а копипста
[07:15:38 PM] L29Ah: это был тест
[18:22:01] Муркт: бляядь
[18:22:06] slav0nic: гы
[18:22:13] Муркт: sevenov: ты не мог это на дампз закинуть?
[18:22:49] огыешсук: у меня чуть tkabber не завис
[18:22:55] sevenov: Муркт, тогда не прикольно.
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[18:23:13] Муркт: sevenov: я запишу тебя разработчиком сатчмо
[18:23:20] Муркт: и тебе будут отправляться сотни ненависти
[18:23:33] sevenov: Муркт, о__О Неееееет
[18:23:35] sevenov: :D
[18:24:02] _lorien: ооо, рак мозга
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[18:30:01] sevenov: http://muslimov.habrahabr.ru/blog/64359/
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[18:35:52] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/finaloption/docs/

любые вопросы и замечания велкам, а то доки надо дописывать :)
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[18:50:32] Portnov: товарищи, а кто знает, насколько сейчас актуален openid2.0 ? В смысле, многие ли провайдеры его дают?
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[18:53:10] sevenov: Portnov, myopenid, yandex, lj
[18:54:52] piranha: ну шо, anybody interested?
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[18:59:31] tilarids: piranha, ты же уже когда-то показывал
[19:00:09] piranha: tilarids: да я больше отзывов о доке хочу... да и я там переделал всë %)
[19:00:13] sevenov: tilarids, а сейчас вроде бы в более адекватном состоянии :)
[19:00:15] piranha: весь апи нах
[19:00:29] piranha: ну да, и оно теперь пригодно для использования, КМК
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[19:01:48] sevenov: piranha, ну код лучше :-)
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[19:01:59] sevenov: я в первую очередь его полез листать, в жопу док :D
[19:02:10] piranha: ;)
[19:02:20] piranha: ну, отлично, я зачистил всë немного
[19:02:33] tilarids: piranha, чтобы попробовать, это что-то писать надо. Доки вроде ничего. Идея тоже ничего
[19:02:35] piranha: меня обилие замыканий смущает, но я не придумал, как сделать лучше
[19:02:45] piranha: ну тогда я пока доволен :)
[19:03:06] sevenov: tilarids, а зачем что-то писать? print "Yeah" :)
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[19:03:16] tilarids: sevenov, так а команды?
[19:03:43] sevenov: tilarids, дык сделать для теста команды a b c и вывод их :)
[19:04:04] tilarids: sevenov, ну, по докам я и так верю, что оно работает.
[19:04:05] piranha: не, ну тесты ж там есть :)
[19:04:17] sevenov: о, даже тесты есть )
[19:04:19] tilarids: Хотелось бы посидеть, поломать :)
[19:04:23] piranha: ;))
[19:04:29] tilarids: piranha, тесты на nose?
[19:04:57] piranha: та не...
[19:05:06] piranha: убожеские два модуля для запуска из коммандлайна
[19:05:09] tilarids: омг
[19:05:14] tilarids: перепиши на nose :)
[19:05:15] piranha: лажа, в общем, это чисто я для себя написал, надо переделать :)
[19:05:19] piranha: ;-)
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[19:42:27] _lorien: чё-то гуглокод не отдаёт по svn протоколу файлы >_>
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[19:59:42] sevenov: _lorien, умоляй его!!!111админ
[19:59:43] sevenov: =)
[20:00:02] _lorien: да я не спрашивал, я просто жаловался :D
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[20:01:09] sevenov: =)
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[20:08:07] _lorien: аа
[20:08:33] _lorien: а у знакомого не глючит ) Ладно, тогда вот в форме вопроса
[20:08:55] _lorien: $ svn checkout http://django-tinymce.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
svn: OPTIONS of 'http://django-tinymce.googlecode.com/svn/trunk': could not connect to server (http://django-tinymce.googlecode.com)
почему такое говно )
[20:10:37] _lorien: ы, dns глючед
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[20:13:05] klichuk: всё работает
[20:13:57] _lorien: это не ответ на вопрос, почему у меня не работает :D
[20:15:38] _lorien: lorien@lorien:/tmp$ host django-tinymce.googlecode.com
django-tinymce.googlecode.com is an alias for googlecode.l.google.com.
googlecode.l.google.com has address 74.125.79.82
lorien@lorien:/tmp$ ping http://django-tinymce.googlecode.com
ping: unknown host http://django-tinymce.googlecode.com
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[20:15:49] _lorien: тьфу
[20:16:34] _lorien: ping тоже ок, а вот svn не работает (
[20:16:54] klichuk: какой ок?
[20:17:02] klichuk: ping: unknown host http://django-tinymce.googlecode.com
[20:17:27] sevenov: _lorien, посмотри себе в resolv.conf
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[20:17:37] _lorien: да нет, http:// если бурать, то всё ок
[20:17:40] _lorien: пинг идёт
[20:17:54] _lorien: я посмотрел, я уже поставил локальный bind и прописал его в resolve.conf
[20:18:01] _lorien: пинг идёт!
[20:18:13] _lorien: $ ping django-tinymce.googlecode.com
PING googlecode.l.google.com (74.125.79.82) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ey-in-f82.google.com (74.125.79.82): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=115 ms
[20:18:20] sevenov: _lorien, я тоже ведь недавно тут отписывался с похожей проблемой, все пинговалось
[20:18:28] sevenov: но по http ничего не шло
[20:18:35] _lorien: sevenov, а как ты её решил? )
[20:19:02] sevenov: _lorien, убрал search transas.com и domain transas.com
[20:19:25] _lorien: это откуда убирать такое?
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[09:18:04 PM] sevenov: _lorien, посмотри себе в resolv.conf
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[20:23:25] _lorien: а, нет, там тока dns моего модема, да я туда бинд воткнул и всё
[20:24:33] sevenov: а
[20:24:38] sevenov: значит что-то другое )
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[20:53:23] cutwater: имею слегка туповатый вопрос
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[20:54:47] cutwater: есть магический код
[i for i in x.children if i.name=='status'][0]
насколько оптимально данное решение
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[20:55:22] wiz: ().next() лучше
[20:55:29] wiz: вместо [][0]
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[20:55:54] cutwater: ясно. спс. (код не мой)
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[20:57:07] wiz: только он будет StopIteration бросать если нет по фильтру ничего
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[20:57:47] cutwater: это понятно
[20:58:11] cutwater: спасибо
[20:59:09] cutwater: wiz, а так IndexError, разница небольшая :)
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[20:59:24] cutwater: только количество вычислений я так понимаю меньше
[20:59:34] wiz: конец не будет считать после нахождения
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[21:31:11] piranha: как по русски будет Zed Shaw?
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[21:33:07] piranha: Зед Шоу? Шау? Схав? ;)
[21:33:49] _lorien: Старина Зедди
[21:34:15] wiz: \ˈshȯ\
[21:34:23] wiz: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shaw
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[21:34:32] piranha: thx
[21:34:38] piranha: просто Шо?
[21:34:40] piranha: Зед Шо?
[21:34:56] piranha: Шо?! Опять этот Зед, или Шо?
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[21:34:57] piranha: ;-)
[21:34:58] red-agent: угу.
[21:36:43] xa4a: Шо, Зед Шо
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[21:40:03] Муркт: xa4a: Дамм. Ван Дамм. Клод Ван Дамм. Жан-Клод Ван Дамм
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[21:42:34] xa4a: что-то в real world haskell все примеры из тех, что на протяжении всей главы строятся, сложные какие-то и неочевидные
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[21:43:28] xa4a: то они юникод разбирают со всеми подробностми для генерации json, то монадические парсер-комбинаторы
[21:44:12] piranha: %))
[21:44:20] xa4a: чем дальше читаю rwh, тем больше люблю lear you a haskell for great good
[21:44:35] piranha: $)
[21:44:38] xa4a: иногда хожу туда картинки посмотреть :)
[21:44:42] piranha: гыгы
[21:44:52] piranha: да, я уже слышал жалобы, что у рвх странные примеры
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[21:46:59] xa4a: может он, конечно, и есть такой в real world, но это же не повод писать об этом в книжке, которая должна вызывать интерес у начинающих
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[22:09:19] red-agent: xa4a, херня. Ты видел мануал вая по руби?
[22:09:29] red-agent: true наркоманство. как пить дать под ЛСД писал.
[22:09:30] xa4a: нет
[22:09:38] xa4a: не видел
[22:09:57] red-agent: http://poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-1.html
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[22:10:29] piranha: млять, твиттеровый сëрч - недоделка сраная
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[22:11:22] xa4a: uhoh
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[22:12:54] xa4a: red-agent: зато если его читать, то уверен это не скучно. и оформление само распологающее
[22:13:06] red-agent: на самом деле -- скучно.
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[22:13:32] red-agent: много (_особо наркоманского_) текста, мало дела.
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[22:14:58] piranha: я его гайд по руби не читал, но его статья про потион - отлично написана
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[22:17:18] red-agent: по руби вообще мало толковой up-to-date документации.
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[22:29:54] cutwater: я ору
[22:30:10] cutwater: http://dumpz.org/10580/ код авторства гениального Стаса
[22:30:25] Муркт: cutwater: откуда ты с ним общаешься ещё?
[22:30:25] cutwater: [22:26:04] cutwater: какой смысл в этом?
[22:26:20] Стас: Это тот же интерпретатор питона
[22:30:41] cutwater: Муркт, да бывает ко мне в конфу заходит
[22:30:47] cutwater: лулзы доставляет
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[22:31:14] Муркт: хы
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[22:32:25] _lorien: В общем проблема была в том, что в либе libneon27-gnutls ошибка. В версии либы что в debian:testing, откатил либу до lenny и checkout в субвершне заработал
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[22:32:51] cutwater: /me щас пытается написать нормальную реализацию паттерна Observer
[22:33:20] cutwater: после того как вспомнил и посмотрел на реализацию boost.signals захотелось извращений
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[22:35:22] xa4a: /me не имеет представления о boost.signals и смутное об Observer, но может это pydispatcher?
[22:35:26] xa4a: pydispatch
[22:35:43] cutwater: эм... надо взглянуть
[22:36:34] xa4a: он асинхронно диспатчит сигналы. там всякие источники, листенеры, всё такое
[22:36:54] cutwater: спс. щас гляну
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[22:39:48] piranha: pydispatch здоровенный, канешна...
[22:39:56] _lorien: гм, как же асинхронно, синхронно же!
[22:40:49] _lorien: ещё сагалаев писал в блоге, что мол там всё по порядку, пока обработчики событие не обработают код дальше не выполняется
[22:41:11] piranha: да, синхронно
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[22:43:22] Муркт: для асинхронности там треды создавать нуна, а это жоска и напряг
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[22:44:49] xa4a: а. значит это я его дописывал себе для асинхронности
[22:45:13] xa4a: это не жоска напряг, вощем-та. http://dumpz.org/10583/
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[22:47:03] xa4a: piranha: а про много кода уже говорили раз об этом. там большинство - комменты
[22:47:32] piranha: та не, там хрени внутри хватает, я читал же его
[22:47:39] piranha: ну короче хз, мне оно не очень нравится
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[22:48:05] xa4a: ещё, говорят, есть twisted
[22:48:20] piranha: гыгы
[22:49:44] cutwater: а у twisted что?
[22:50:50] cutwater: я посмотрел, мне что-то pydispatcher не сильно нравится. как-то он не ООПнутый штоле
[22:51:00] piranha: ололо
[22:51:29] piranha: cutwater: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/
[22:51:43] cutwater: :)
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[23:04:20] _lorien: а кто тут говорил, что имел опыт секса с django-tinymce? )
[23:05:20] klichuk: ты, никак не мог запрос их свн серверу послать, был хороший секас
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[23:08:36] _lorien: то была прелюдия, а щас вот секас начинается :D
[23:09:01] klichuk: ага, предохраняйтесь только
[23:09:03] _lorien: всё правильно настроено.. стоит...но..эффекта нет
[23:09:04] klichuk: или нет...
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[23:20:39] _lorien: странный баг, почему он преследует меня... tinyMCE не работает, если запускать его непосредственно после загрузки, например в $(), а вот если подождать 500ms, то всё ок o_O
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[23:21:14] _lorien: а, нет, вру, это было на медленном компе, тут что-то другое
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[23:39:03] _lorien: http://code.google.com/p/django-tinymce/issues/detail?id=47&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Reporter%20Owner%20Summary - день багов, мля :-(
[23:39:20] piranha: > [Like programmers] prostitutes also think they all suck.

And both, programmers and prostitutes, are right: they suck. The big difference is that prostitutes got the term "user-friendly" right.

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[23:55:58] piranha: xa4a: а какую ты музыку выбрал?
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[23:57:05] xa4a: rap :)
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[23:58:09] piranha: гонишь?
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