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[01:05:23] kost-bebix: Здравствуйте! Пытаюсь установить RPyC (про него еще статья гуляла недавно http://clck.ru/BOL) в Федоре, скачал .egg-файлик, делаю sudo easy_install /home/kost/Загрузки/rpyc-3.0.6-py2.5.egg, а оно пишет мне вот что: http://dpaste.com/70146/. Не подскажите что это значит?
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[01:06:36] xa4a: попробуй просто easy_install rpyc
[01:06:38] xa4a: без яйца
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[01:10:19] kost-bebix: xa4a: пробовал первым самым, вообще не находит его http://dpaste.com/70150/
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[01:13:12] xa4a: а без яйца, скачать tar.gz и python setup.py install ?
[01:13:53] xa4a: или вообще свн
[01:13:59] kost-bebix: xa4a: собственно это только лишь и остается, ага. А оно куда надо установит или не?
[01:14:11] kost-bebix: или --prefix=/usr надо какой?
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[01:14:39] xa4a: куда надо
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[01:16:16] kost-bebix: работает вроде, спасибо
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[01:37:25] Spider84: всем привет. почему функция escape() считает за спец символы все русские буквы?
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[01:38:17] xa4a: что за функция такая?
[01:38:34] xa4a: NameError: name 'escape' is not defined
[01:38:41] kost-bebix: re.escape?
[01:38:52] Spider84: да
[01:39:08] kost-bebix: попробуй уникодной сделать, не?
[01:39:48] Spider84: а как? я вот чтото не понимаю как в уникод загнать если переменная
[01:40:06] xa4a: !g absolute minimum joel
[01:40:13] xa4a: Spider84: это тебе. почитай
[01:40:17] xa4a: гм
[01:40:20] Spider84: спасибо
[01:40:22] xa4a: !calc unicode
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[01:41:37] xa4a: хотя оно и юникодные буквы искейпит
[01:41:41] xa4a: print(re.escape(unicode('asdфыв', 'utf-8')))asd\ф\ы\в
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[01:42:33] Spider84: и что делать?
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[01:43:16] xa4a: а в чём проблема?
[01:43:58] Spider84: мне нуужно спец сивмволы проискейпить
[01:44:52] xa4a: так пусть кириллица тоже искейпится
[01:45:01] xa4a: тебе же не жалко?
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[01:46:15] Spider84: а на выводе я что получяу?
[01:47:13] kost-bebix: Spider84: а с чего ты взял что оно считает спец. символами русские буквы?
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[01:49:26] xa4a: Spider84: kost-bebix: я выше написал
[01:50:13] kost-bebix: Spider84: не вижу. Где конкретно?
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[01:50:55] Spider84: слэш ставит
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[01:51:26] kost-bebix: Spider84: куда? У меня ничего не ставит. Можешь нормально рассказать что ты делаешь что оно у тебя слэш ставит
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[01:52:08] Spider84: получаетс вот так - \п\р\и\в\е\т
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[01:52:25] kost-bebix: Spider84: как у тебя это получается?
[01:52:54] kost-bebix: Spider84: ааа... подожди
[01:53:00] Spider84: re.escape(stroka)
[01:55:01] kost-bebix: надо протестировать на последнем re и если что отписать в багзиллу им
[01:55:10] kost-bebix: (а точнее просто посмотреть на исходники)
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[01:56:26] kost-bebix: ну вообще самому можно через replace реализовать (как временное решение), там символов-то - single quote ('), double quote ("), backslash (\) and NUL (the NULL byte).
[01:56:32] Spider84: врядли - стабильная версия
[01:57:00] xa4a: Spider84: что тебя не устраивает, в чём проблема?
[01:57:08] xa4a: что не работает?
[01:57:17] kost-bebix: xa4a: ну оно реально ж эскейпит их, не?
[01:57:22] xa4a: да
[01:57:32] xa4a: но я не пойму, что в этом плохого
[01:57:59] Spider84: ну у меня потом оно идет в яваскриптовый вмджет а он не понимает
[01:58:03] kost-bebix: xa4a: в том, что
> PHP has a very handy function addslashes which escapes, by prefixing backslashes, characters that can cause undesired effects in SQL queries (read SQL injection)
[01:58:26] kost-bebix: xa4a: а вот описание addslashes: Returns a string with backslashes before characters that need to be quoted in database queries etc. These characters are single quote ('), double quote ("), backslash (\) and NUL (the NULL byte).
[01:58:36] xa4a: kost-bebix: addslashes не нужен
[01:58:46] xa4a: т.к. dbapi умеет prepared statements
[01:58:56] xa4a: при котором тебе не нужно заботиться об инъекциях
[01:58:59] kost-bebix: xa4a: ну я ж говорю, там заменять всего три символа
[01:59:32] xa4a: kost-bebix: перечитай лог с самого начала
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[02:01:11] Spider84: хорошо попробую руками
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[02:01:23] kost-bebix: Spider84: а действительно, зачем тебе это вообще надо?
[02:01:37] kost-bebix: Spider84: на прямую в базу запросы, что ль, пишешь?
[02:02:03] xa4a: kost-bebix: ещё раз перечитай
[02:02:13] xa4a: лог. сначала.
[02:02:15] kost-bebix: xa4a: только что перечитал
[02:02:23] xa4a: ну ещё раз, говорю же
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[02:02:31] xa4a: там чётко написано про жабоскрипт
[02:02:39] xa4a: (01:57:55) Spider84: ну у меня потом оно идет в яваскриптовый вмджет а он не понимает
[02:03:23] kost-bebix: xa4a: ага, тоже нашел после подсказки, спасибо)
[02:03:39] kost-bebix: короче пойду делать что делал, а то еще натуплю)
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[11:06:48] wonderfulll: почему при добавлении словоря такого вида {'range': '0.0-1.0', 'amount': {'10.0-15.0': 0, '15.0-20.0': 0, '20.0-50.0': 0, 'other': 0, '0.0-10.0': 0, '50.0-1000.0': 0}} в лист переписываютя все предыдущии элементы этого листа?
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[11:08:37] Typhon: wonderfulll: переформулируй поток
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[11:11:46] wonderfulll: ща сформулирую =)
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[11:15:34] wiz: код в студию, не надо формулировать.
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[11:15:39] wiz: юниттесты рулят
[11:15:41] cutwater: в нем отправку email можно как-то отключить. не нашел нигде
[11:15:55] wiz: cutwater, byteflow@c.j.r ?
[11:15:58] cutwater: о_О
[11:16:02] cutwater: не знал
[11:16:04] cutwater: пошел туда
[11:16:20] piranha: :-)
[11:16:33] piranha: спам в траке запарил, а спамфильтр что-то нифига не работает :((((
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[11:25:07] wiz: wonderfulll, молодец. теперь допиши ещё входные данные и ожидаемый конечный результат
[11:25:23] wiz: и утюж дебагером пока результаты не совпадут
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[11:28:23] mishok13: этот код не имеет смысла
[11:28:27] mishok13: что ты сделать хотел то?
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[11:40:23] RaD: <td>{{ p.organization|default_if_none:"" }}</td> - не помогло, ошибка та же
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[11:40:53] rahs: RaD, точно, есть такая грабля. щас вспомню, как обходил
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[11:41:59] rahs: гм... а у меня так и работает...
[11:42:12] RaD: а у меня нет, засада
[11:42:16] rahs: |default_if_none:"-"
[11:42:32] RaD: щас проверю версию джанги
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[11:42:57] Большой Лис: зачем "-"?
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[11:43:37] rahs: Большой Лис, прочерк понятнее, чем пустое место
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[11:46:04] RaD: Редакция: 11280 - тут такая же проблема
[11:46:14] RaD: аааа!
[11:46:24] rahs: RaD, ?
[11:46:33] RaD: def __unicode__(self):
return self.title1
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[11:46:40] RaD: вот где проблема!
[11:47:01] RaD: если title = None (или null в бд), то получаем ошибку
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[11:47:55] RaD: точно!
[11:48:04] RaD:
def __unicode__(self):
if self.title1 is None:
return 'NULL'
return self.title1
[11:48:12] RaD: вот это решает проблему
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[11:48:58] Большой Лис: о_О
[11:50:33] RaD: и что же делать
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from django.utils.encoding import smart_unicode
...
def __unicode__(self):
return smart_unicode(self.title)
[11:51:05] _lorien: Мне кажется, должно так работать:
def __unicode__(self):
return unicode(self.title1)
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[12:34:25] RaD: _lorien: так, именно на unicode(s) в шаблонной системе и падало :)
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[12:35:50] _lorien: unicode(None) не может упасть
[12:35:57] RaD: хотя, да, помогло!
[12:35:59] _lorien: чтобы это понять, можно загрузить python команду и проверить :)
[12:36:00] RaD: пасиб
[12:36:09] RaD: я именно так и сделал
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[12:45:10] Stanislav Pugachev: а де dumpz.org уже делся
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[12:45:47] piranha: гііі
[12:45:50] piranha: в смысле гыыы
[12:45:56] piranha: _lorien: ^
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[12:47:19] _lorien: лорьен проебал сроки продления домена, щас пайпал пытаюсь завести )
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[12:49:31] Stanislav Pugachev: бля, ну нужно раз в год и то хрен шо работает )
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[12:53:16] _lorien: Stanislav Pugachev, если нужно что есть, посмотри в кэше гугля
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[12:54:27] Большой Лис: _lorien, а это гогно которое сейчас там болтается, это ты подставил его туда?
[12:54:33] Большой Лис: т.е. не ты
[12:54:36] Большой Лис: а регистратор
[12:54:48] Stanislav Pugachev: да лан, все норм ) поднимай скорей)
[12:54:56] _lorien: ага
[12:55:03] _lorien: регистратор
[12:55:31] xa4a: дайте посмотреть акк вконтакте с больше, чем одни ВО
[12:55:32] Большой Лис: отсука, регисратор
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[12:55:49] _lorien: что есть во?
[12:55:54] xa4a: высшее образование
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[12:56:29] piranha: ВО - вы онтисюмит?
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[13:06:35] _lorien: проплатил, скоро заработает )
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[14:28:17] огыешсук: _lorien: а чего он автоматом не продлился?
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[14:42:55] _lorien: Чё-то мне надоело бинд настраивать. Кто-нить знает стабильный сервис dns-хостинга за умеренную плату?
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[14:44:36] огыешсук: Дык, а разве регистратор DNSов не даёт? Мне мой даёт.
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[14:44:54] огыешсук: Причём, бесплатно.
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[14:45:52] _lorien: У меня разные регистраторы, вот, например, i7.ru (реселлер naunet) не даёт. Хотя, может, я чего не понял. В любом случае, хочу из одного места всё конфигурять.
[14:46:07] _lorien: Тупо не пойму по какому запросу гуглить такие сервисы )
[14:46:26] RaD: "dns нахаляву"
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[14:47:05] slav0nic: http://freedns.ws/en/
[14:47:31] огыешсук: А, .ru. С .ru действительно проблема. Тут цивилизованных регистраторов я не видел.
[14:47:35] _lorien: спасибо, не надо мне нахаляву
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[14:48:22] _lorien: В идеале, хочу заплатить денег сервису, который именно dns-хостингом занимается, у которого больше двух dns-серверов в разных датацентрах )
[14:48:42] огыешсук: До сих пор оплачиваю зеноновский хостинг по той простой причине, что лениво искать, куда иначе пристаивать свой единственный .ru-шный домен.
[14:48:58] xa4a: http://xname.org/
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[14:50:04] _lorien: мне платный надо
[14:50:21] _lorien: на xname.org раньше был, его задосили и сутки или больше нихрена не работало )
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[14:50:41] _lorien: xa4a, а, ты не мне :)
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[14:50:44] xa4a: тебе
[14:50:49] _lorien: тогда я тоже тебе :D
[14:50:53] xa4a: у меня с xname.org проблем не было
[14:50:58] _lorien: а у меня были
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[15:04:28] _lorien: Кто-нить пробовал http://www.sitelutions.com юзать?
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[15:25:26] tilarids: Из док джанги - "The update() method is applied instantly and doesn't return anything (similar to delete())" . Странно, но мне .update() постоянно что-то возвращает
[15:25:32] tilarids: вот только непонятно, что
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[15:26:05] tilarids: кто-нибудь знает, что же оно возвращает?
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[15:30:05] RaD: easy_install --prefix=/home/invite pisa==3.0.27 - выдает error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('pisa==3.0.27')
[15:30:16] RaD: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pisa/3.0.27 - а тут оно есть
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[15:30:28] RaD: как поставить? (мучаюсь с новым хостингом)
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[15:36:40] RaD: как поставить?
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[15:36:51] RaD: просто egg кинуть в каталог?
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[15:40:39] bergamot_: Джанго по send_mail выкинуло такой экстеншен, причем только на одном моём мыле такая гадость, на другие доставляет без ошибок
SMTPRecipientsRefused: {'login@denger.pp.ru': (550, 'sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.7.17)')}
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[15:42:20] RaD: ну, что ответили, то и выкинуло
[15:42:30] RaD: расскажите про фаберже? :)
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[15:43:13] bergamot_: хм... ну не нравится ему мой домен
[15:43:24] RaD: http://dpaste.com/70389/ - кинул egg в каталог, дописал в pth, что ещё надо сделать?
[15:43:44] RaD: по моему там не в домене дело
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[15:45:41] bergamot_: добавляю точку или удаляю - он отправляет
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[15:56:39] _lorien: WSGIDaemonProcess domain user=www-data group=www-data threads=25
ПОдскажите, что за threads? Это влияет на кол-во пожираемой памяти? Что будете сли придёт одновременно 30 запросов?
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[15:57:41] _lorien: RaD, попробуй так http://web-brains.com/2009/07/19/deplojment-python-proekta-pip-virtualenv/. Может быть, понравится )
[15:58:03] RaD: я это читал, но я на внешнем хостинге
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[15:58:33] RaD: 25 будут обрабатываться, 5 ждать
[15:58:54] RaD: кстати, там есть засада - domain - это уникальное имя твоего проекта
[15:59:08] RaD: я просто по имени сайта называю и не парюсь
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[15:59:53] _lorien: ну это да, я просто замаскировал так имя :D
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[16:00:41] _lorien: RaD, а про память не знаешь? Есть ли смысл делать меньше, если сайт малонагруженный?
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[16:00:56] RaD: я сделал 5, нормально работает
[16:01:31] RaD: а вот строчка с боевого проекта:
WSGIDaemonProcess arm processes=2 maximum-requests=50 threads=5 stack-size=524288
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[16:02:01] RaD: человек сто каждый день активно работают, апачевский access лог постоянно летит по консоли
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[16:05:27] _lorien: maximum-requests=50 - шото маловато )
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[16:06:34] Большой Лис: угу
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[16:06:37] Большой Лис: надо 1000 ставить
[16:06:39] Большой Лис: хотя бы
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[16:07:01] Большой Лис: RaD, это число через сколько запросов демону перезапускаться
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[16:08:35] RaD: ага
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[16:08:59] RaD: _lorien: да у меня код постоянно дорабатывается, как на полную стабильность выйду, поставлю побольше
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[16:09:40] RaD: _lorien: я думаю есть, к тому же параметр для стека, как раз выбран в целях экономии памяти
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[16:11:12] _lorien: Вчера у меня случился мозговой выброс и я сделал это :D http://qfeed.org/
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[16:13:27] RaD: ээээ, твою бы энергию, да в моих целях
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[16:14:16] _lorien: RaD, когда цели неприятны, она быстро пропадает, хотя у меня энергия практически всегда быстро пропадает )
[16:14:36] RaD: зачем тогда регать домен и выкладывать непонятное
[16:14:43] _lorien: хотелось
[16:14:50] RaD: лучше помоги мне с djbook.ru :)
[16:14:55] _lorien: я два домена зарегал, ещё qfeed.ru :D
[16:15:13] RaD: запобедить долбанный опенайди и сделать мегасервис по созданию документов
[16:15:32] _lorien: Может и помогу ;-) У меня есть мысли воткнуть в django-account openid поддержку
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[16:15:54] _lorien: И если там всё будет классно работать, то ты просто воткнёшь django-account :D
[16:15:56] RaD: вово
[16:16:19] _lorien: Вообще можешь посмотреть, хрюндель делал похожую вещь: django-openauth
[16:16:27] _lorien: Вроде бы оно работает :)
[16:16:29] RaD: я кучу смотрел, всё кривое
[16:16:43] RaD: а самому разбираться - надо иметь офигенную мотивацию
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[16:17:48] RaD: а есть чтонить типа picture-bin?
[16:17:54] RaD: чтоб быстро картинку расшарить?
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[16:18:47] _lorien: http://web-brains.com/2008/11/27/prodvinutyj-skrinshoting/ :D
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[16:20:29] RaD: http://picamigo.com/out.php/i9500_templates.fdp.png - вот, напроектировал шаблонов на один проект
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[16:20:58] _lorien: а в чём ты рисовал?
[16:21:11] RaD: graphviz
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[16:21:48] RaD: я сначала рисую такую хрень для шаблонов, потом для моделей, а потом можно и проект делать
[16:21:54] piranha: ыыы
[16:21:58] piranha: я такое глазами охватить не могу
[16:22:10] RaD: а прикинь в башке держать, вообще жуть
[16:22:15] piranha: а в башке на шару
[16:22:53] _lorien: а я обычно такое же рисую, только на бумажке списками :)
[16:23:00] _lorien: сначала описываю все страницы, потом все модели
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[16:23:20] RaD: ну, я тоже, потом в графвиз перекидываю и в репозиторий :)
[16:23:35] _lorien: а потом оказывается, что по каждой странице заказчик забыл кой-чего сказать :D
[16:23:38] RaD: может поэтому я кучу доменов не регаю, времени нет :)
[16:23:57] RaD: а вот тут graphviz в тему, правишь кусочек текста и у тебя новая картинка
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[16:24:43] _lorien: RaD, а я не вижу смысла в djbook.ru Т.е. для себя, мне вполне комфортно читать официальную документацию. Новичкам в программировании, может быть, сгодится
[16:25:07] piranha: ого, как ты прыгаешь
[16:25:19] bergamot_: нифига, я по ней учился
[16:25:20] piranha: не уловил перемену темы
[16:25:29] bergamot_: да и щас иногда заглядываю
[16:25:39] RaD: _lorien: мне она тоже не нужна, но так, для привлечения народа
[16:25:42] piranha: RaD: а я тупо ничего не вспоминаю, когда рисую. Вспоминаю, когда делаю.
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[16:26:05] sevenov: RaD, ты садиииист.
[16:26:07] bergamot_: а я не рисую, сначала много думаю, потом просто сажусь за код
[16:26:23] RaD: там вообще-то типа в другом задумка - онлайн создание книг, docbook -> генерация в PDF, каменты и правки от пользователей, просто времени не хватает
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[16:26:54] sevenov: Вот такая обрисовка шаблонов не нужна
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[16:28:08] RaD: sevenov: а мне нравится, я быстро могу понять, чего там и как
[16:28:14] sevenov: о_О
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[16:28:43] sevenov: нене, я о другом. _Зачем_ нужно _такое_ для шаблонов?
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[16:29:22] RaD: для удобства и для хранения в репозитории
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[16:30:02] sevenov: кого?
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[16:31:22] RaD: для меня :)
[16:31:39] RaD: _lorien ушел в запой )
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[16:35:57] RaD: пойду чаю вмажу
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[16:42:10] wonderfulll: в filter в функцию можно ещё параметр добавить (чтобы их было 2 вместо 1)?
[16:42:41] bergamot_: filter(id=43, passed=True)
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[16:43:14] bergamot_: разумеется если речь идет о дефаулт-фреймворке под дефаулт-язык
[16:43:39] _lorien: bergamot_, а что мешает попробовать? o_O
[16:43:59] wonderfulll: 1 параметр лист, 2 переменая
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[16:44:12] _lorien: ой, спутал ник
[16:44:13] wonderfulll: эт не для Джанги
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[16:45:01] _lorien: wonderfulll, непонятный вопрос какой-то
[16:45:16] RaD: по моему он про filter(f, list)
[16:45:37] bergamot_: да я понял уже
[16:46:22] RaD: wonderfulll: через lambda можно
[16:46:23] wonderfulll: блн сегодня день тупых вопросов от меня =)
[16:46:47] _lorien: $ cat fetch.txt | while read name; do cp /web/bodykits/images/$name images; break; done
cp: cannot stat `/web/bodykits/images/122693_00.jpg\r': No such file or directory
блин, как бы от этой \r избавиться :-/
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[16:53:49] wonderfulll: RaD: спасибо, сделал через lambda :)
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[16:54:16] RaD: прикинь, а я с питоном познакомился, переводя djangobook :)
[16:54:28] Большой Лис: :D
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[16:56:29] sevenov: RaD, судя по хабре, многие с питоном знакомятся, читая джангобук. Вот добавить бы там в первых главах отсылку на туториал и пеп8, было бы всем хорошо.
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[16:57:09] RaD: ну, правила работы с джанго я от себя добавил уже, почему бы и это не сделать, ссылку на туториал давай
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[16:57:23] _lorien: RaD, спасибо
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[16:59:08] sevenov: RaD, http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html и http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
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[16:59:33] RaD: хм, а на русском? ты ж понимаешь кто читает мой перевод
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[16:59:59] sevenov: а, да. Не учел. Тогда нафиг таких.
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[17:01:34] _lorien: на русском есть http://www.intuit.ru/department/pl/python/ и http://ru.diveintopython.org/toc.html
[17:01:48] RaD: это туториал, а пеп?
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[17:01:51] _lorien: последний не полностью переведён
[17:02:27] _lorien: а pep-8 можно с нуля быстренько перевести )
[17:02:39] _lorien: на сайте translated.by
[17:03:00] RaD: ладно, пусть пока будет английский
[17:03:02] _lorien: например создать там проект, потом на хабре написать в python блог, мол, давайте вместе переведём. Вот, идея такая. Мне лень это делать )
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[17:03:13] sevenov: pep8 переводили, забыл линк
[17:03:22] sevenov: Сайт есть для группового перевода
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[17:03:28] sevenov: Сериалы там переводят и т.п.
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[17:04:02] огыешсук: нотабеноид
[17:04:03] RaD: как туториал - по-русски сказать
[17:04:09] sevenov: да, нотабеноид
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[17:04:21] _lorien: http://notabenoid.com/book/1336/ вот нарыл кой чего
[17:04:36] sevenov: _lorien, да, это оно
[17:04:39] _lorien: sevenov, есть и не один, я выше писал: translated.by из той же оперы
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[17:04:50] _lorien: кстати. нашёл через yandex первой ссылкой, в топе гугля не было )
[17:04:57] sevenov: http://notabenoid.com/book/1336/members/
[17:05:09] _lorien: нет, вру )
[17:05:10] RaD: :)
[17:05:19] _lorien: в гугле тоже первой :D
[17:05:48] bergamot_: http://rukeba.com/blog/2008/10/18/pep8-korotko-i-po-russki/
[17:06:02] _lorien: фу )
[17:06:47] sevenov: bergamot_, ну это полезный пост, но шлак, имхо.
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[17:07:06] RaD: закоммитил, при очередном обновлении появится
[17:07:15] RaD: может и сегодня
[17:07:27] _lorien: используйте методы класса string вместо строковых функций
вряд ли новичок поймёт, что тут написано :D
[17:07:42] RaD: кодировка файлов должна быть Latin-1, а в Питоне 3 и выше - utf-8
[17:07:43] _lorien: это из того поста в блоге
[17:07:49] RaD: врёт, я юзаю utf-8
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[17:08:27] _lorien: для модулей и пакетов используйте короткие всестрочные имена
всестрочные :D
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[17:09:22] RaD: пойду на паровоз, оттуда вылезу
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[17:09:42] _lorien: брр, имхо, лучше тот пост не показывать новичкам, всё равно нихрена не поймут :D
[17:10:27] _lorien: используйте 4 пробела для отступа и не используйте табы, не смешивайте их
как их можно смешать, если их не надо использовать? :D
[17:10:39] mishok13: люди, которые только начинают пользоваться питоном, зачастую даже не понимают что такое кодировка
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[17:14:18] bergamot_: люди, которые только начинают пользоваться пхп, зачастую даже не понимают что такое кодировка
фиксед
[17:14:32] sevenov: bergamot_, что такое программирование
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[17:15:20] mishok13: bergamot_, очень неверно
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[17:15:41] bergamot_: ну по крайней мере в этом вопросе явный перекос в стороне пхп
[17:16:24] mishok13: я это наблюдаю и для жабокодеров, и для плюсофилов, и для лисперов (в меньшей степени), и для сишников
[17:16:43] mishok13: многих хаскелистов UnicodeDecodeError вводит в панику
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[17:17:00] sevenov: mishok13, даже так? о_О
[17:17:21] mishok13: судя по #python@FreeNode
[17:17:49] sevenov: дааа, всеобщая деградация.
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[17:18:10] mishok13: при чем здесь всеобщая деградация?
[17:18:41] mishok13: просто в каждом языке абсолютно свой подход к IO в целом и к кодировкам в частности
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[17:19:16] xa4a: и только статья джоэля остаётся вечной
[17:19:20] xa4a: !wtf unicode
[17:19:32] mishok13: xa4a, ее так же вечно никто не читает :)
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[17:19:54] xa4a: зато всегда есть куда послать
[17:19:56] xa4a: ну тоесть э..
[17:20:01] xa4a: оно-то и так есть, да
[17:20:06] xa4a: но сюда - ещё и с пользой
[17:20:09] mishok13: по ходу, из всей тусовки лисперов ее только авторы emacs lisp прочитали
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[18:39:46] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/65248/ :D
[18:40:17] _lorien: Плюсаните, плиз, кто на хабре есть :)
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[18:42:48] xa4a: плюсанул
[18:42:51] xa4a: а в чём профит?
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[18:44:09] _lorien: ни в чём, подумал, что прикольная затея )
[18:44:21] _lorien: просто, buzz вокруг джанги :D
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[18:44:35] xa4a: по-моему, все, кто хотели - давно бейджи повесили
[18:45:03] xa4a: топик может быть полезен только кому-то, вроде меня с недосайтами, на которых органической посещаемости нет)
[18:45:22] _lorien: И не будет, хоть ты десять бейджев повесишь и 10 раз на хабре ссылку поставишь )
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[18:45:43] xa4a: ну да)
[18:46:01] xa4a: ну у меня регулярно всплески, как на хабр попад'т линк
[18:46:05] xa4a: то байтфло пеарили
[18:46:09] xa4a: то с ицфп отч'т
[18:46:11] xa4a: ё*
[18:46:21] xa4a: то про ррдтул
[18:46:48] mishok13: я сначала подумал что ты кофе разлил на клавиатуру
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[18:47:44] _lorien: :D
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[18:48:28] sevenov: xa4a суров.
[18:48:57] xa4a: sevenov: мне кто-то вчера стучал, говорил, чтобы ты родителям позвонил O.o
[18:49:07] sevenov: о_О
[18:49:14] sevenov: Внезапно о_О
[18:49:17] _lorien: o_O
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[18:50:12] sevenov: и еще разок о_О
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[18:50:24] sevenov: хм
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[18:50:39] sevenov: волшебство.
[18:50:46] sevenov: лан, пох.
[18:50:48] xa4a: особое, уличное
[18:50:57] sevenov: скорее, вещества.
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[19:43:49] Александp: Такой вопрос:
есть модель
class TestModel(models.Mode):
test = models.CharField()

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[19:45:18] Александp: что можно сделать, чтобы при обращении переменной экземпляра модели
come_test.test некоторая функция обрабатывала переменную test и возвращала результат?
[19:45:53] Александp: или только путь добавления методов к модели?
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[19:46:40] _lorien: что такое переменная test?
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[19:48:03] Александp: я про джангу, если что
some_test = TestModel.objects.filter(...)
print some_test.test
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[19:48:13] xa4a: awstats говорит, что с хабра с этого топика уже 87 рефереров
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[19:50:04] _lorien: В чём смысл awstats, когда намного проще повесить liveinternet счётчик?
[19:50:17] xa4a: ну у меня GA висит
[19:50:24] xa4a: но awstats больше показывает всегда)
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[19:50:48] feedbot: Django Framework / Неделя поддержки Django http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/65248/
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[19:51:52] _lorien: потому что awstats считает всех, а gae/liveinternet только тех кто умеет грузить их счётчик. В случае liveinternet нужно картинку грузить. В случае ga нужно уметь JS, если не ошибаюсь.
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[19:52:12] Большой Лис: угу
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[19:52:23] Большой Лис: и тот же noscript отлично рубает ga
[19:52:42] _lorien: у меня к ga субъективное отвращение :-) Liveinternet мне больше по душе - простенький такой
[19:52:43] Большой Лис: или squid/ABP рубает liveinternet
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[19:53:26] xa4a: кстати RIP рулит
[19:53:30] xa4a: ff extension
[19:53:34] _lorien: Ещё LI рулит тем, что у него код счётчика единый. На любой сайте один и тот же код можно вешать, он сам там разбирает домен из реферера.
[19:53:37] xa4a: по xpathу режет куски страницы
[19:54:25] _lorien: А я тут открыл для себя better cache extension - позволяет обрубить кэш для нужных доменов. Мне для localhost нужно, чтобы сайты делать. А то раньше всё время вообще без кэша лазал по инету т.к. забыл в web-developer включить его обратно )
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[19:56:49] bergamot_: Еще вопрос по джанго - кто-нибудь пробовал работать с русскими буквами в нике?
По сути там регулярка только при регистрации в админке не пускает... Есть еще подводные камни?
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[19:57:18] bergamot: О, местный джаббер сервак заработал
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[20:05:11] Александp: bergamot, я пробовал
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[20:05:56] bergamot: и результат?
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[20:18:06] _lorien: ура, дампз у меня уже виден в прежнем виде :D
[20:18:33] Александp: _lorien, ну так можешь подсказать по вопросу выше по моделям?
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[20:19:35] _lorien: class MyModel():
test = lambda: u'пыщь-пыщь'
:D
[20:20:19] _lorien: А если тебе надо шобы test было именно полем, то унаследуйся от CharField и как-нить там похимичь :D
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[20:20:25] Александp: хм, не, что-то не то
[20:20:32] Александp: хм
[20:20:38] Александp: а это вот мысль
[20:21:03] Александp: я хочу сделать чтобы текст из поля при выводе обрабатывался mardown
[20:21:07] _lorien: Вообще у полей есть методы, которые голые данных из бд подготавливают, шобы отдать т.е. я так понимаю поля это дескрипторы
[20:21:26] _lorien: а ну читай про создание своих полей просто - там всё описано вд окументации
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[20:22:17] Александp: да поля свои я уже создавал :-)
такой вариант просто не пришел в голову, думал есть ещё другое решение
[20:22:24] _lorien: Только зачем так сложно? ПРоще применить в нужном месте фильтр
[20:22:57] _lorien: Ну если ты только в стопицот тыщ мест выводишь это поле, то тогда можно и сократить объём работ :)
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[20:23:51] Александp: не, я использую markdown2
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[20:24:41] Александp: нао бы к нему ещё pygments прикрутить ...
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[23:05:01] sandfog is now читаю статью про ювенальную юстицию и участившуюся практику нарушения прав детей "правозащитными" организациями в России и за рубежом + продолжаю настройку WINDOWS XP; ух-ты, под MS DOS 7/V86 есть автодополнение в командной строке
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[23:07:38] gigimon: народ, а никто не делал древовидные комменты как в хабре?

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[23:07:53] _lorien: бой на смерть - переименовываю в проекте dumpz.org code в dump - в коде, в шаблонах, там мильон этих фрагментов :-/
[23:07:57] _lorien: gigimon, я делал
[23:07:58] gigimon: примерный алгоритм вывода интересует
[23:08:10] _lorien: gigimon, django-mptt - вот тебе алгоритм ;-)
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[23:08:13] gigimon: понимаю, что каждый коммент имеет родительский номер
[23:08:19] gigimon: погляжу,спс
[23:08:28] _lorien: читай про nested sets вначале, потом юзай django-mptt )
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[23:08:42] gigimon: ок

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[23:08:58] _lorien: про nested sets можно читать на том же хабре :D
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[23:11:12] RaD/home: я такое делал ещё на перле в 98 Ж)
[23:11:36] RaD/home: мега крутой форум у меня был
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[23:12:35] RaD/home: о, джангобук седня читало пицот! человек
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[23:13:35] gigimon: _lorien: я нашел хорошенькую статью (вроде) http://www.getinfo.ru/article610.html
[23:14:27] _lorien: RaD/home, кстати, добавляй кнопку, я тебя на хабр в список включу )
[23:14:50] _lorien: Эх, в 98-году у меня компа дажене было :D
[23:15:11] RaD/home: засылай
[23:15:22] _lorien: RaD/home, не, я про другое )
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[23:15:30] RaD/home: я в начале 97 заработал рефератами на 386dx40
[23:15:31] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/65248/
[23:15:48] RaD/home: да она дико здоровая
[23:16:06] _lorien: RaD/home, там по ссылке пройди, там список кнопок, есть совсем махонькие )
[23:16:20] RaD/home: я тока большую видел, пару часов назад, ща глянем
[23:16:30] _lorien: большая для примера была просто
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[23:16:59] RaD/home: а до того я был счастливым обладателем дельты-с (клон спектрума) с 92 по 94, постигал асм, т.к. магнитофона просто не было :)
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[23:18:34] RaD/home: завтра поставлю, седня ломает топать к большому компу, там у ноута докстейшн, мне и на кухне харашо :)
[23:19:31] RaD/home: http://moiluch.ru/ - см. внизу, я обычно без баннеров обхожусь :)
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[23:32:47] gigimon: это, а подскажите, кто создавал свой блог на хабре
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[23:32:55] gigimon: там только поле название? где вписываешь название?
[23:33:10] gigimon: а то интересно стало, как он в адресную строку потмо переводит название блога на английском
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[23:33:32] RaD/home: {{ title|urlencode|uriencode }} ??
[23:34:40] gigimon: м
[23:34:45] _lorien: gigimon, конечно же там отдельное поле для slug
[23:34:46] gigimon: ща погляжу))
[23:34:55] _lorien: я не создавал, но это и так понятно )
[23:35:11] gigimon: _lorien: ну оно 1 ? или типа название на любом языке и второе это как он в адресной строке?
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[23:35:25] gigimon: я вот просто думаю как такое же делать у себя...
[23:35:28] _lorien: поле для навзания для людей + поле для формирования адреса
[23:35:37] RaD/home: попробуй как я показал
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[23:35:49] gigimon: RaD/home: да, сейчас почитаю

[23:36:00] RaD/home: последовательность важна
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[23:39:02] gigimon: RaD/home: хм, а что за зверь такой uriencode? дока джанги незнает такого (
[23:39:46] gigimon: ну примерно я догадываюсь что делает, но все же
[23:40:13] Хрюндель: gigimon, может urllib2 знает?
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[23:40:49] gigimon: Хрюндель: ща гляну)
[23:41:22] Хрюндель: red-agent, тут?
[23:41:36] red-agent: возможно.
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[23:42:52] Хрюндель: red-agent, мне тут нужно извращённо креативный мозг со знаниями линукса.. Ты один под описание подходишь.. Вот тут описал проблему.. http://linuxforum.ru/index.php?showtopic=96949

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[23:44:02] _lorien: Хрюндель, почему тебе не нравится способ с вытыканием глаз раскалёнными гвоздями? Может, всё таки подумаешь? :)
[23:44:13] slav0nic: )))
[23:44:35] Хрюндель: _lorien, а я зря сомневался в твоей креативности ))
[23:45:08] red-agent: Хрюндель, ну, я бы пропатчил сорсы ядра соответствующим кодом для сетевого стека.
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[23:45:29] red-agent: притом нужно сделать интервалированый отсчет по тактам и где-нибудь его хранить
[23:45:36] red-agent: чтобы это не зависило от времени машины
[23:46:06] Хрюндель: red-agent, вообще интересно, но я не осилю
[23:46:32] gigimon: Хрюндель: если решение найдешь - скажи)
[23:46:45] red-agent: Хрюндель, другого варианта с такими требования -- нет.
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[23:47:15] red-agent: все, что ты запустишь/модифицируешь в userspace -- можна убить/модифицировать обратно/перезапустить
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[23:47:32] Хрюндель: более простых способов нет? вон славоник предложил рандомальный хеш в /etc/shadow пихать на определённое время что бы в рута нельзя было переключаться, а в суду тоже по руту запрещены команды управления iptables например
[23:47:39] red-agent: единственный вариант -- впаять соответствующий код в ядро.
[23:47:49] gigimon: RaD/home: uriencode незнает такого фильтра
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[23:48:16] Хрюндель: по крону*
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[23:54:29] RaD/home: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/templates/builtins/#iriencode
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