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[00:08:34] hrundelok: шо то у меня все люди из ростера в гаджиме пропали..
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[00:11:13] _lorien: hrundelok, ты пугаешь людей
[00:11:47] hrundelok: _lorien, ога.. пятница 25ое, люди пропадают из ростера..
[00:12:03] _lorien: hrundelok, посмотри в окно, может у тебя там все пропали и из reality )
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[00:12:25] hrundelok: я вот щас подумал.. а у меня окна нет
[00:12:33] _lorien: fail
[00:12:57] _lorien: У меня комар на столе лежит кверху брюхом и ногами шевелит.
[00:13:03] _lorien: С голоду что ли помирает?
[00:13:14] _lorien: Окно есть вроде б.. а комар всё равно лежит.
[00:13:25] hrundelok: ущипни его
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[00:14:12] _lorien: я уже одного скинул со столи, теперь другой лежит
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[00:14:29] _lorien: ЕЩё есть теория, что они загорают, свет бьёт из лампочки настолько жётско по столу
[00:14:32] hrundelok: не ну шо за дела.. вроде я гаджим обновлял недавно, но после этого вроде как рестарт ему уже делал и все были.. а тут пропали
[00:15:40] hrundelok: _lorien, а со статик генератор ты конкретно протупил..
[00:15:48] hrundelok: не ожидал от тебя ))
[00:16:40] _lorien: Дыкть, я проснулся в три ночи, а писал когда...
[00:16:45] _lorien: ой, в три дня
[00:17:00] _lorien: а писал через 12 часов... или ваще под утро )
[00:17:26] _lorien: короче, не важно, что я пишу щас , я опять туплю )
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[00:19:58] hrundelok: в скайпе ещё вроде есть люди.. значит это не конец света
[00:20:52] hrundelok: _lorien, я в конце сделал ту херню с блокировкой сайтов
[00:21:01] _lorien: как?
[00:21:12] _lorien: выткнул себе глаза? :D
[00:23:08] _lorien: Тогда это объясняет, почему ты не видишь никого в ростере
[00:23:27] hrundelok: _lorien, ну короче руту пассворд меняю на херню какую нибудь, задаю правила в iptables, обычному юзеру выдал только пару команд через sudo которые мне нужны и с помощью которых нельзя отменить правила и по крону запускаю два скрипта, первый в 10 утра меняет /etc/shadow на тот в котором у рута анюзэбэл пароль и задаёт правила в iptables, а второй в 9 вечера возвращает всё обратно
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[00:24:18] _lorien: http://www.anonymizer.ru/
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[00:24:27] _lorien: пользуйся :)
[00:24:47] hrundelok: _lorien, спасибо, друг :)
[00:25:20] hrundelok: занесу я его тоже в списочек
[00:25:26] hrundelok: запрещённых сайтов
[00:25:29] _lorien: :D
[00:27:33] _lorien: хабр часто глючит, сразу видно - не на джанге делали
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[00:33:23] hrundelok: _lorien, а на чём? глобальном и надёжном?
[00:33:39] _lorien: ну да
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[00:38:13] fandal: глобального и надёжного нет, тока что чуть не обкакался))) сижу смотрю тихо кино и хрясь, под столом как долбанёт что-то, оказалось в братовом компе, в сидироме взорвался диск фалаута тактикс=) сцуко=))))
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[00:40:09] tilarids: видимо, кино пиратское
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[00:40:42] fandal: нет, я на ноуте смотрю кино честно скаченое с локалки)
[00:42:17] fandal: кстати, вопрошал уже, но так и не ответил никто... в питоне есть стандартные средства работы с sip?
[00:43:16] tilarids: fandal, что именно ты желаешь делать с сип?
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[00:45:41] fandal: tilarids, пока потренироваться, а в будущем хочу попробовать написать что нить для симбиан, что бы можно было нормально звонить через контекстное меню вызова а не через долбаный фринг=) в моей nokia n78 кроме него ничего нормального так и не нашёл)
[00:46:36] tilarids: fandal, писать под симбиан на питоне? Это грустно :)
[00:46:39] fandal: главное настройки сип клиента есть, но функции звонка отсутствуют))
[00:46:48] fandal: больше не умею ни на чём
[00:46:55] fandal: да и на питоне учусь только)
[00:47:17] fandal: там есть питон, уже даже установлен
[00:47:17] tilarids: fandal, так это, вроде же есть нормальные сип клиенты под симбиан
[00:47:18] tilarids: рабочие
[00:47:43] tilarids: fandal, да я знаю, что там есть питон. Только он какой-то странный
[00:48:18] fandal: only fring, а он работает a) с регистрацией через фринг сервер, что не есть хорошо, б) нет единого меню, как в e51 к примеру
[00:48:24] fandal: какой есть)
[00:48:48] tilarids: fandal, у меня коллега с прошлой работы настраивал
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[00:49:14] fandal: tilarids, на n78?
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[00:49:31] tilarids: fandal, фиг его. Не люблю симбиан и не разбираюсь
[00:49:47] tilarids: какие там модели как называются
[00:50:00] fandal: tilarids, ну так вот для n78 только fring, даже gizmo и тот не фунциклирует
[00:51:04] tilarids: fandal, дивно. Ну, поищи какие-нибудь нативные либы для сипа, и для питона сделай модулем. Хотя вот тут-то и подстерегают странности питона для симбиан
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[00:55:11] fandal: ок, ученье свет... =)))
[00:55:42] fandal: из чего-то ещё нативного питонский модуль я не делал)))
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[08:56:09] bergamot: у меня страничка сломалась, а если откатится - работает
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[09:39:25] Александp: http://dumpz.org/10911/
помогите разобраться, apahce не хочет работать с virtualenv
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[10:52:32] bergamot: _lorien, в статье http://web-brains.com/2007/12/26/django-orm-query-dumping/ поправь вёрстку кода, там слишком много пустых строк. Ну и спасибо за тег
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[11:19:49] bergamot: _lorien, и еще, небольшой баг нашел. Если запросов нет (DEBUG=0), переменной pygments_css не задаётся значение, из-за этого 500 ошибка.
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[11:28:32] bergamot: http://dumpz.org/10917/
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[11:29:56] slav0nic: случайно poker-network никто не тыкал?
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[13:42:38] _lorien: bergamot, актуальный тэг можно получить тут http://bitbucket.org/lorien/debug
[13:43:00] _lorien: * http://bitbucket.org/lorien/django-debug/
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[14:15:12] Мозгошредер: Я когда-то находил линк , но потерял - про разницу между аттрибутами класса, который делаются в __init__ через self.someattr= и которые идут сразу после объявления - может кто-то напомнить или дать линк, в чем состоит основная разница?
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[14:23:22] fandal: если я правильно понял вопрос, то функция атрибута __init__ выполняетс при создании объекта экземпляра, а остальные выполняются при обращении к атрибуту непосредственно
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[14:30:55] _lorien: если объявлять в классе, это это будут аттрибуты класса, они будут видны всем объектам этого класса
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[14:31:07] _lorien: а если присвоить внутри __init__, То другие объекты не увидят
[14:32:20] _lorien: гм, не, чё-т я не то сказанул )
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[14:35:50] _lorien: А, всё понятно :-)
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[14:35:55] _lorien: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/207000/python-difference-between-class-and-instance-attributes
[14:36:14] Мозгошредер: спасибо =)
[14:36:38] _lorien: Короче, class attributes - это общий объект для всех инстансов, если он мутируемый, то изменения в одном instance будут отражаться на всех
[14:36:57] Мозгошредер: ну я где-то так и думал, но спс за подтверждение
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[15:02:18] Мозгошредер: Я так понимаю, к вложенным классам тоже надо обращаться через self. ?
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[15:12:02] _lorien: класс, функции, тра ля ля тополя - это всё просто объекты во вложенных областях видимости
[15:12:38] _lorien: Оласти видимости: модуль, потом класс, потом функция ну и ещё там с замыканиями всякие нюансы
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[15:14:49] _lorien: гм, правда это не объясняет абсоютно почему надо через self обращаться :D
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[15:16:17] _lorien: в общем функции(методы) класса видят что есть глобальной области видимости, но простанство имён класса они не видят, только если обращаться через имя класса или через объект класса (то бишь self)
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[17:25:14] tilarids: никто не сталкивался, что при использовании jquery.cycle контент начинает перекрываться? Может, кто знает решение или альтернативу?
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[17:26:33] gigimon: арр, WTP из эклипса отпало, снова ен ставится :( куча зависимостей.... гррр

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[17:30:32] gigimon: у эрика4 появилось автодополнение из модулей?
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[17:37:29] tilarids: god fuck the jquery cycle
[17:37:35] tilarids: не пойму, что с ним такое
[17:37:39] tilarids: то работает, то не работает
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[18:13:33] _lorien: tilarids, скорее всего, у тебя где-то ошибка в коде
[18:13:48] tilarids: _lorien, ну, естественно
[18:14:17] _lorien: Дык это тогда не с jquery.cycle что-то, а с твоим кодом )
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[18:15:10] tilarids: _lorien, не думаю
[18:15:17] tilarids: там кода - одна строчка
[18:15:20] tilarids: и он на нём работает
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[18:15:24] tilarids: но иногда его глючит
[18:15:53] tilarids: про "естественно" был сарказм
[18:16:06] tilarids: шрединбаг
[18:16:08] tilarids: повторить не могу
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[18:18:34] _lorien: тогда перепиши без cycle. А где это? Я найти не могу здесь: http://visualjquery.com/
[18:19:00] tilarids: _lorien, да cycle еще самый нормальный
[18:19:09] tilarids: все остальные привередливы еще больше
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[18:24:43] _lorien: аа, это плагин
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[21:48:44] _lorien: Как быть. ХОчу отправлять мыло о новом комментарии. Но если я буду обрабатывать post_save, то мыло может отправиться не один раз. К пример, в будущем я захочу пересохранить кэши какие-нить в объектах и каждый комментарий сохраню ещё раз и ещё раз мыло вышлется.
[21:49:44] _lorien: Пока пришло на ум только два варианта:
* не ловаить сигнал, просто из модели в функции save дёргать отсылку мыла - там то я могу определить новый это объект или нет
* добавить новое boolean поле, в котором сохранять True после отсылки мыла
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[23:49:37] _lorien: http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:Nu91TIZrJeIJ:clemesha.org/static/talks/Django_and_XMPP_BoshWriting_a_real_time_web_app.pdf+django+xmpp&cd=5&hl=ru&ct=clnk
круто!! только нихера не понятно :-(
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