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[00:32:22] _lorien: Почему markitup делает indent тока первой строке в выделенном блоке при нажатии на кнопку "code"?
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[00:37:28] _lorien: А ваще лучше wymeditor поюзаю
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[00:42:56] cutwater: _lorien, http://dumpz.org/11021/ мой говнокодец на тему перечислений. очень прошу сказать что я идиот и это нафиг не нужно (осталось еще прикрутить чтобы в choises передать можно было необходимое )
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[00:43:48] _lorien: Я сегодня уже хотел сказать днём, но потом передумал. Ну раз хочешь, делай, кто ж запретит :-) Я не пераюсь, объявляю числовую константу и юзаю её :)
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[00:44:00] cutwater: :-D
[00:44:12] cutwater: видимо я так и поступлю
[00:44:32] cutwater: но таки хотел реализовать задуманное. правда получилось хреноватенько.
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[00:44:59] _lorien: TYPE_BUG = 1
TYPE_TASK = 2
TYPE_CHOICES = ((TYPE_BUG, u'Bug'), (TYPE_TASK, u'Task))
... foo = models.IntegerField(choices=TYPE_CHOICES)
я так делаю :)
[00:45:31] cutwater: спасибо за совет. я думаю это будет наиболее правильный и разумный вариант
[00:45:48] cutwater: хотя не зря потратил время, освоил концепцию метаклассов в некотором роде
[00:46:02] _lorien: даже не хочу понимать, что там за код у тебя :-))
[00:46:05] cutwater: )))
[00:46:08] cutwater: ок
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[00:58:44] mr.oduvan: всем привет
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[00:58:48] mr.oduvan: есть тут еще кто?
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[01:02:53] _lorien: я есть
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[01:03:40] mr.oduvan: ты мне в последнее время приносиш удачу..
[01:03:41] mr.oduvan: )
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[01:04:02] mr.oduvan: как только появился.... до меня сразу дошло :)
[01:04:59] _lorien: отлично :)
[01:05:09] _lorien: счёт в конце месяца пришлю :D
[01:06:08] mr.oduvan: все к моей секретарше..
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[01:11:44] sevenov: xa4a, ты couchdb докурил?
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[01:12:14] xa4a: нет
[01:12:15] mr.oduvan: оставиш :)))))
[01:12:27] xa4a: :D
[01:12:33] xa4a: уже несколько дней висит в фф drkflrf c b[ dbrtq
[01:12:38] xa4a: таба с их викей
[01:12:42] _lorien: mr.oduvan, у тебя проблема с мягкими знаками после шипящих в глаголах )
[01:12:47] xa4a: нашёл как раз куда его впихнуть
[01:12:50] sevenov: в 0.9 внезапно появилась фича, когда нельзя создавать свои ключи документов, начинающие с "_".
[01:12:58] sevenov: mr.oduvan, жжешь xD
[01:13:12] xa4a: sevenov: почему?
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[01:13:25] _lorien: как там дела с django orm и couchdb?
[01:13:34] sevenov: xa4a, >400, ('bad_request', 'Only reserved document ids may start with underscore.')
[01:13:40] xa4a: а, ок
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[01:13:57] mr.oduvan: _lorien, у меня вообще с русским проблема...
[01:14:00] xa4a: я ду маю это переживаемо
[01:14:20] xa4a: mr.oduvan: мы тебе поможем
[01:14:35] sevenov: _lorien, 42-django-couchdb как бэкэнд хорош. А как реализация "философии" коуча лучше брать couchkit+django ext
[01:15:15] sevenov: xa4a, да я думал, мб натыкался на это. А то борюсь с 42-django-couchdb, ибо там создается поле _meta для кранения FK и т.е.
[01:15:19] sevenov: *т.п.
[01:15:49] xa4a: заебала, если честно, джанга
[01:15:59] xa4a: сейчас подработка одна с ней. кроме этого стараюсь её избегать
[01:16:18] sevenov: итак, сколько нас уже таких? :-)
[01:16:35] sevenov: Лис, пиранья, xa4a и я. Кто еще?
[01:16:40] _lorien: я не с вами, у меня с джангой любовь
[01:16:53] sevenov: _lorien, фап-фап-фап? :)
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[01:17:03] xa4a: ну у меня не конкретно джанга, а в общем "сайтики"
[01:17:37] mr.oduvan: !!
[01:17:56] mr.oduvan: заговор ночью устроили?
[01:18:01] mr.oduvan: и пиранья!!
[01:18:06] mr.oduvan: а какже блог?
[01:18:13] xa4a: пока меня возбуждает haskell. а если надо будет потом бабок, то лучше жабу какую-нить, или .нет подучу
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[01:18:32] mr.oduvan: т.е. даже не питон..
[01:18:34] mr.oduvan: !!
[01:18:46] xa4a: т.к. с питоном без джанги, по результатам моих исследований - почти ничего
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[01:19:04] mr.oduvan: ??
[01:19:07] mr.oduvan: ниче не понял
[01:19:13] xa4a: вакансий
[01:19:24] xa4a: как вариант - внедряться в жаба-коллективы и там проповедывать питон
[01:19:44] sevenov: xa4a, по моему, без джанги больше, чем с ней.
[01:20:00] sevenov: xa4a, шпеон? :)
[01:20:01] xa4a: сис. админы не считаются
[01:20:19] sevenov: xa4a, а кто их считает?
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[01:21:25] mr.oduvan: даладно...
[01:21:41] mr.oduvan: вы просто мне на сон грядущий настроенице то и подосрали..
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[01:22:04] mr.oduvan: работа то есть.... на питоне...
[01:23:00] sevenov: mr.oduvan, я и говорю, есть. И чаще без джанги.
[01:23:13] xa4a: sevenov: ок, открываем hh.ua пишем python и видим..
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[01:23:42] xa4a: Med Java Developer, Installer Tester, Python (SQL) Software Engineer
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[01:24:03] sevenov: xa4a, я про то, куда зовут работать. Чаще работа _без_ джанги. Сейчас работаю без нее, пару раз приглашали, знакомые работают -- нет джанги.
[01:24:39] mr.oduvan: ну если в вебе то что?
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[01:25:12] xa4a: и без зопа/плона, пилонов?
[01:25:56] sevenov: xa4a, угу. Но это не совсем веб.
[01:26:00] sevenov: Далеко не веб.
[01:26:08] sevenov: не, не далеко :)
[01:26:16] xa4a: я бы пошёл в невеб
[01:26:40] mr.oduvan: d cvsckt yt dt,&
[01:26:46] mr.oduvan: что значит не веб?
[01:26:46] xa4a: !decode
[01:26:48] sevenov: не, браузер с тонной js само собой есть )
[01:26:59] mr.oduvan: эт же веб фремворки
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[01:27:06] xa4a: mr.oduvan: алгоритмы, обработка изображений/звука/видео, data mining
[01:27:09] xa4a: machine learning
[01:27:12] xa4a: parallel processing
[01:27:15] sevenov: silent_bob, ты про что?
[01:27:17] xa4a: и другие страшные слова
[01:27:23] sevenov: тьфу
[01:27:26] sevenov: mr.oduvan,
[01:27:46] xa4a: вот сегодня нашёл интересного
[01:28:24] xa4a: не питон, но с академией для студентов. алгоритмы и системы для медицины..
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[01:28:30] xa4a: http://www.materialise.kiev.ua/materialise-academy.aspx
[01:28:32] sevenov: xa4a, круто
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[01:29:16] mr.oduvan: я бы кстате не пилон бы глянул
[01:29:31] sevenov: mr.oduvan, ну его в zope
[01:29:39] mr.oduvan: ))
[01:29:57] mr.oduvan: отстой?
[01:30:01] mr.oduvan: юзали?
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[01:35:40] mr.oduvan: ?? что за неожиданный молчек?
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[01:39:18] mr.oduvan: короче зря вы так на джангу
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[02:05:45] _lorien: Вопрос про джангу:
[02:06:13] _lorien: а, ерунда )
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[10:58:23] d_darth: pygtk. как создать виджет который будет состоять из Image и Label, тоетсь нужно создать обьект в котором я смогу менять картинку и название.
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[12:50:38] feedbot: Django Framework / Django 1.1 http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/65656/
Python well represented in NASA's Nebula cloud http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/95krk/python_well_represented_in_nasas_nebula_cloud/
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[13:16:30] d_darth: тоесть [HBox] --> [[Eventbox1][Eventbox2]...[EventboxN]]
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[13:17:35] d_darth: [Eventbox2] --> [HBox] --> [Image][Label] вот в такой иерархии
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[13:19:55] RaD: т.е. быстрее будет
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[13:30:27] RaD: у меня есть базовая форма и несколько производных, я думаю будет кошерно сделать в базовой метод save(), в котором сохранять базовые поля, а в производных формах в save() сначала вызывать базовый, а потом сохранять дополнительные поля
[13:30:34] RaD: ниче не упустил?
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[13:32:56] Большой Лис: что значит "сохранять базовые поля"?
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[13:34:15] Большой Лис: ты ведь не собираешь сохранять в БД отдельно одни поля, а потом другие?!
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[13:39:11] xa4a: RaD: правильно, по-моему
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[13:39:39] xa4a: хотя чтобы два раза не писать можно добавить что-то типа commit=False
[13:39:42] xa4a: при вызове базовой
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[13:52:57] RaD: ага, про commit=False я думал
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[14:09:05] kost-bebix: Всем привет! А что нынче используют для ORM? Мне понадобилось ну очень маленький скриптик для почти домашнего использования написать безо всяких вреймворков, потому и возник вопрос что лучше использовать для простенького орм. Пока читаю про SQLObject. Если окажется плохим, придется таки снова в SQLAlchemy глядеть. Можт кто уже знает заранее что хорошо а что сложно?
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[14:10:26] Typhon: а если он маленький, зачем орм?
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[14:12:48] kost-bebix: Typhon: не знаю, ну орм в любом случае хорошо поглядеть какой юзабильней
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[14:13:33] kost-bebix: Typhon: и вдруг скрипт начнет разростаться )
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[14:42:42] RaD: подкиньте ссылку на джангоприложение для хранения фоток, видео, аудио
[14:42:56] огыешсук: django-video
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[14:44:20] nmk: /me проклинает centos
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[14:45:50] RaD: !g django application media storage
[14:46:03] RaD: немного не то
[14:46:13] RaD: !g django application photo gallery
[14:46:15] огыешсук: центось гадость, вообще всё гадость. кроме debian`а
[14:46:29] RaD: !g django application мшвущ пфддукн
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[15:44:53] slav0nic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbRSQVsOX_Y
баян про касперского и джекичана?
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[15:46:49] RaD: камрады, как на джанго грамотно залить файлик метров так на сто, там же однозначно должно быть ограничение по размеру
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[15:47:23] RaD: /me думает, может тупо заливать файло по ftp, а в админке дать возможность привязывать к модели файл с фс и прописывать для него теги и описалово
[15:47:56] Большой Лис: RaD, через форму
[15:47:58] Большой Лис: а что тебя смущает то?
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[15:48:03] slav0nic: там эту проблему уже решили, в память ничё не срётся
[15:48:13] Большой Лис: не ссцы, в память твой файл не зальётся (как это было раньше)
[15:48:14] RaD: а точно, год назад где-то
[15:48:21] RaD: забыл просто
[15:48:52] RaD: мне просто надо на сайте сделать возможность заливки фоток, видео и музла (сайт для творчески одарённых :)
[15:49:10] RaD: я вот думаю как это сделать попроще и не поуродски
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[15:49:42] xa4a: нахуй фтп.
[15:49:45] RaD: с фотками проблем нет, а вот как видео... надо бы делать thumbnail по загрузке, обработчик на save чтоли вешать
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[15:50:26] xa4a: да, а чо
[15:50:36] xa4a: или раз в полчаса делать тумбнейлы всем видио
[15:50:39] xa4a: видео
[15:50:49] xa4a: а до этого "подождите, видео обрабатывается"
[15:51:08] RaD: не, на серваке обработку делать не хочу (я про кодирование из всего в flv)
[15:51:43] xa4a: э
[15:51:47] xa4a: на клиенте хочешь?
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[15:51:55] RaD: ага :)
[15:52:10] RaD: типа пусть готовят. а потом заливают, иначе ресурсов не напасёшься
[15:52:22] xa4a: это же ты пошутил, да?
[15:52:22] Большой Лис: RaD, sorl-thumbnail возьми
[15:52:31] RaD: дам им правильную команду для ffmpeg :)
[15:52:53] xa4a: /me пока болеет шутки хреново понимает
[15:52:55] RaD: xa4a: я совершенно серьезно, я знакомым сайтик делаю, простой и бесплатный, я им про это сразу сказал
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[15:53:42] RaD: если приспичит видеохостинг им делать, положат пару килобаксов и всё им будет
[15:54:44] xa4a: дык тогда проще без flv, без флеш-плеера
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[15:54:48] xa4a: просто файлики кидать
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[15:56:06] Большой Лис: и в тег video их сажать =]
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[15:57:12] RaD: не, пользователи сайта хотят флеш, с тега video они прифигеют
[15:57:29] RaD: Большой Лис: к тому же вроде ещё не решили какой кодек считать стандартом
[15:57:54] RaD: пока с вами трещал - придумал :)
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[16:07:59] RaD: герасимова слушай - типа идите нахуй, сроки назову как пойму что вы хотите
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[16:18:12] RaD: лучше три модели сделать или одну, но с полем type?
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[16:36:17] RaD: ну, естественно, я отнаследовал
[16:36:34] RaD: в общем решил лучше иметь три разных модели (унаследованных от абстрактной)
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[16:37:45] RaD: одна фотка может относиться как к событию, так и к коллективу и ещё хрен знает к чему, наверное надо тут заюзать ContentType
[16:38:00] RaD: или не парица
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[16:38:29] RaD: сделать m2m на коллектив и на событие, разрешив null
[16:39:43] RaD: не, коллективы и события находятся в приложении collection, а фотки/видео - в mediastore
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[16:39:54] RaD: значит надо брать contenttype
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[16:56:46] RaD: есть каталог с дампами за последнюю неделю, управляется через cron, есть мысль сделать интерфейс в джанго админке, который бы показывал эти дампы, позволяя скачать или удалить соответствующий дамп, кто-нибудь такое делал?
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[17:19:22] xa4a: sevenov: вопрос по couchdb. db['a'] = {'b':1}
[17:19:31] xa4a: на второй вызов получаю ResourceConflict: ('conflict', 'Document update conflict.')
[17:19:33] xa4a: чяднт?
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[17:19:59] sevenov: xa4a, o_O
[17:20:03] sevenov: хммм
[17:20:13] sevenov: вчера только похожее делал, все гуд оО
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[17:21:02] xa4a: так показывает при любой попытке перезаписать документ с существующим id
[17:21:07] xa4a: _id
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[17:25:11] sevenov: блин, не знаю, что за баг.
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[17:26:26] sevenov: xa4a, http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/HTTP_Document_API вот тут есть.
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[17:33:58] xa4a: хм. сцуко. работает, только если вытащить наружу документ, его изменить, а потом его же положить обратно
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[17:36:30] xa4a: пусть будет таак, ладно.
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[18:50:37] feedbot: How to Deploy hgwebdir.fcgi behind Nginx with Fab http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/95nm3/how_to_deploy_hgwebdirfcgi_behind_nginx_with_fab/
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[19:10:54] _lorien: Editable fields on the change list¶
You can now make fields editable on the admin list views via the new list_editable admin option. These fields will show up as form widgets on the list pages, and can be edited and saved in bulk.
прикольная фичка в 1.1
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[19:13:24] _lorien: The {% for %} tag in Django's template language now accepts an optional {% empty %} clause, to be displayed when {% for %} is asked to loop over an empty sequence.
[19:13:36] _lorien: # The dumpdata management command now accepts individual model names as arguments, allowing you to export the data just from particular models.
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[20:20:16] mr.oduvan: http://dumpz.org/11050/
[20:20:30] mr.oduvan: гляните, что за глюк?
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[20:22:58] xa4a: похоже на sql
[20:23:03] xa4a: (с) К.О.
[20:23:20] mr.oduvan: ?
[20:24:00] xa4a: а?
[20:24:41] mr.oduvan: про сюл - это мне?
[20:24:47] mr.oduvan: я просто ничо не понял.
[20:25:02] xa4a: я тоже
[20:25:06] xa4a: в чё м глюк?
[20:25:10] mr.oduvan: GROUP BY rang, count(1), firms_firmcomment.rang
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[20:25:31] mr.oduvan: а должен быть только 1!
[20:25:36] mr.oduvan: rang
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[20:26:07] mr.oduvan: в связи с чем мускулина рагается на неверное использование
[20:26:37] xa4a: действительно
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[20:27:16] mr.oduvan: :)
[20:27:34] mr.oduvan: xa4a, тебе надо быть психологом
[20:27:45] xa4a: я когда с температурой - могу быть неадекватен
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[20:27:55] mr.oduvan: вылечить не выличил... но мне реально полегчало..
[20:27:58] xa4a: но действительно - действительно должно быть group by rang
[20:28:23] mr.oduvan: еще один тикет писать?
[20:28:30] mr.oduvan: в джангу?
[20:28:34] xa4a: лучше посмотри сырцы
[20:28:38] xa4a: для начала
[20:28:45] mr.oduvan: ну эт понятно.
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[20:29:19] mr.oduvan: правда в джанге я уже везде с грязными ногами полазил... но в ОРМе еще не был :)
[20:30:07] mr.oduvan: xa4a, а куда вчера резко так все пропали?
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[20:30:20] mr.oduvan: на самом инетерсном месте
[20:30:57] xa4a: я, судя по всему, спал
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[20:31:00] xa4a: пилон ыне юзал
[20:31:51] mr.oduvan: просто вы в троем все резко так замолкли..
[20:32:18] mr.oduvan: что я подумал, что у вас в общаге ровно в 2 вахтерша инте вырубает
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[20:33:31] xa4a: ровно в два врубают горячую воду, угу
[20:34:37] _lorien: хочется так, нажал чо-нить, сделалось hg pull; затем показались строчки вида commiter name: commit message
Как такое правильно сделать?
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[20:34:52] _lorien: в смысле, показались для новых commitов
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[20:52:15] mr.oduvan: _lorien, как узнаеш, незабудь мне рассказать
[20:52:33] _lorien: Скорее всего забуду )
[20:52:51] _lorien: шо ж у тебя такое... короче в любом глаголе после Ш пиши Ь :-)
[20:53:20] mr.oduvan: _lorien, скорее всего забуду (с)
[20:53:44] mr.oduvan: шучу...
[20:53:46] mr.oduvan: хорошо
[20:53:46] _lorien: Invalid block tag: 'endif'
обожаю искать такие ошибки в шаблоне на 200 строк
[20:53:48] mr.oduvan: буду
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[21:00:48] _lorien: firebug обновился
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[21:01:36] mr.oduvan: ты хоть комп на ночь выключай
[21:02:25] _lorien: я ночью работаю, я уже с неделю сплю днём
[21:02:32] _lorien: сегодня спал 15 часов с 6 утра до 9 вечера :D
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[21:04:25] огыешсук: _lorien: хорошо тебе!
[21:04:39] огыешсук: /me уже месяц спит часов по 6 :o(
[21:04:59] _lorien: спи по 15 часов, кто тебе не даёт?
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[21:09:38] огыешсук: _lorien: о, много кто! Солнце светит сквозь плотнющие шторы, машины ездют, шумят, врезаются, из них вылезают люди и начинают матюгаться... А, ещё офис есть. Туда тоже не рекомендуется приходить сильно поздно (то есть, скажем, часам к 4-5 вечера, как я одно время ходил).
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[21:10:41] _lorien: А у меня тут хорошо, до дороги далеко, утром тока птицы щебечут и офиса не наблюдает ни в прошлом, ни в ближайшем будущем :o)
[21:10:49] _lorien: * не наблюдается
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[21:11:30] _lorien: А ещё утром так спать начинает хотеться, что пофиг на солнце и всё остальное
[21:12:32] огыешсук: Офис это нынче плюс. Ибо там есть кондиционер, плюс 4 монитора у меня на рабочем месте (а дома один лишь ноутбук). И вот такой вид из окна: http://files.rsdn.ru/50019/myworkwindow.jpg
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[21:15:39] _lorien: Неплохо, только ржавый ангар всё портит.
[21:15:50] огыешсук: К следующему лету надо будет и домой кондиционер провести. Так что пока ещё и температура дома залёживаться не даёт (балкон откроешь -- шумно, закроешь -- жарко, блин!).
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[21:16:26] _lorien: У нас щас круто, днём достаточно тепло и почти каждый день дожь идёт т.е. убивающей жары нет вообще
[21:16:37] _lorien: А что ето за город?
[21:16:39] огыешсук: _lorien: там вся эта новомодная застройка мне вид на Волгу загораживает. Без них бы было красивее, да
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[21:17:07] _lorien: У нас тоже как грибы по берегам реки коттеджи такие появляются
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[21:17:42] _lorien: А кто-нить в фотографии разбирается? Хочется недорогая мыльница чтоб побаловаться в пределах 200-250$
[21:18:38] огыешсук: удвой и возьми nikon d60 какой.
[21:18:53] огыешсук: он для начала очень неплох
[21:19:12] огыешсук: или d40, кто там нынче младшенький
[21:19:55] _lorien: это зеркалка что ли? Не жирно для новичка?
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[21:21:47] _lorien: http://market.yandex.ru/offers.xml?hyperid=985677&hid=91148&modelid=985677&grhow=shop&clid=502 - прикольные цены, нафиг мне такой доророгой фотоаппарат, я фотать то не умею )
[21:21:53] огыешсук: зато более-менее терпимое качество результата
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[21:22:49] огыешсук: А то, можно и мобильником снимать. Вон, фотка выше это с моей мобилки, ага.
[21:23:15] _lorien: У меня родилась идея продавать фотки в фотобанки. Т.е. попробовать таким заняться. Но дороже 10тыр я точно фотег брать не буду, всё равно не разбираюсь.
[21:23:38] огыешсук: ерунда получится ведь
[21:24:08] огыешсук: d40 это, по моему, минимум достойного качества. Ниже уже действительно будет мыльница, а не фот.
[21:24:56] _lorien: Вот мне и надо мыльницу, а не фот :-)
[21:25:04] _lorien: Когда пойму, что нужен фот, тогда и куплю :)
[21:25:06] огыешсук: так мобильником снимай
[21:25:14] _lorien: У меня нет там камеры )
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[21:25:20] _lorien: nokia 1200
[21:25:28] огыешсук: он всегда под рукой, не надо левых девайсов таскати
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[21:26:57] xa4a: /me попробовал сделать фото из окна мобильником
[21:27:17] xa4a: чо, могло быть и хуже http://xa4a.org.ua/29072009022.jpg
[21:27:20] огыешсук: /me 5 лет пользовался Siemens ME45, но всё таки соскочил на коммуникаторы; и другим советует -- совсем другое дело получилось
[21:27:26] xa4a: с учётом времени суток
[21:28:01] _lorien: огыешсук, я весно соскочил, поначала тущалсо, потом стало скучно, потом понял, что мне накуй не нужны ни карты, ни асько, ни жабер в телефоне, ни даже фотоаппарат )
[21:28:15] _lorien: блин, что же у меня такое с "дикцией" :D
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[21:29:07] xa4a: карты полезны, если на машине
[21:29:15] xa4a: а асько и жабер - юзаю постоянно
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[21:30:04] огыешсук: /me активно юзает reader.google.com на мобильнике, потом идёт читалка книжек голосом, потом читалка глазами, потом плеер (в том числе youtube-плеер), а уж потом и карты и аськи-жабберы.
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[21:30:40] xa4a: reader.google.com на мобильнике?
[21:30:44] xa4a: оно ж неюзабельно
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[21:30:55] xa4a: по-моему
[21:31:02] xa4a: разве что ифоновский немного
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[21:31:10] огыешсук: да вроде вполне юзабельно, мне поначалу не понравилось, но теперь уже привык и активно язаю
[21:31:44] огыешсук: я имею в виду сайт. на который хожу обыкновенной оперой
[21:32:04] огыешсук: оно умеет мобильную версию
[21:32:45] огыешсук: которая конечно сильно кастрирована относительно полноценной, но пользоваться в принципе можно
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[21:34:45] огыешсук: ещё на gmail иногда хожу, но тамошняя мобильная версия мне на экран не помещается :o(
[21:35:01] xa4a: я в симбиане настроил почту встроенную
[21:35:04] xa4a: на гмыло
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[21:44:36] berss: настройкой свн кто-то занимался? есть вопрос
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[21:49:30] _lorien: читай субж )
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[21:50:23] berss: да искал уже) или тут вопросы сугубо по теме конфы только?
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[21:50:33] _lorien: да нет
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[21:50:50] _lorien: типа если есть вопрос, то его задавай без предварительных выяснений, поймёт ли кто его )
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[21:53:18] berss: в общем проблема в том что не срабатывает хук post-commit, лежит где нужно - *project*/hooks/post-commit , права на выполнение есть, выглядит так:

#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/svn update /var/www/html/*project*

если запускаю его сам, то всё обновляется
[21:54:02] berss: он почемуто просто не срабаывает вообще, я уже добавил для проверки строку, которая пишет что-то в определённый файл при запуске, дабы проверить запускается он вообще или нет
[21:54:20] berss: но в общем после коммита ничего не пишется в этот файл, так же как и не обновляется проект
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[21:55:30] _lorien: а другие хуки работают?
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[21:55:57] _lorien: Если нет, значит, ты что-то не так делаешь коренным образом :-) Если да, то тоже какие-нить выводы можно сделать, наверное :-) Я svn не юзаю
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[21:56:14] berss: других нет
[21:56:22] _lorien: а в файл может по другой причине не писать, например, прав нету
[21:56:46] _lorien: Можно добавить другие и посмотреть, работают ли они.
[21:57:12] berss: хм, точно, прав на файл то нет)
[21:57:16] berss: только для овнера
[21:57:23] berss: ща разрешу всем и попробую
[21:57:34] _lorien: Хабра — сайт habrahabr.ru. Коллективный блог c элементами социальной сети, посвящённый в основном IT-тематике, и состоящий из кармадрочеров, хабралеммингов, троллей, быдла, унылого говна и с недавних пор еще и школоты[1]. Включает множество тематических разделов, именуемых «блогами». Работает по принципу самонаполнения читателями, поэтому на 99 % состоит из копипасты с других сайтов.
:D
[21:57:49] berss: луркмор?)
[21:57:55] _lorien: он )
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[21:59:03] berss: во! в файл то пишется на самом деле
[21:59:17] berss: всё, теперь разберусь
[21:59:23] berss: протупил с этими правами
[21:59:37] berss: запускаетются хуки от вебсервера у меня
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[21:59:44] berss: он наверно не может апдейтнуть проект
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[22:10:47] _lorien: мм, возможно такие глюки можно отслеживать путём запуска svn сервера не в фоне, так шобы на консоль ошибки валились, был там ключик какой-то у демона егоного
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[22:11:00] _lorien: возможно, в логах есть эта ошибка
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[22:11:36] _lorien: И вообще use mercurial :D
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[22:50:33] feedbot: django-view-shortcuts http://www.lyabah.com/index.php/2009/07/29/django-view-shortcuts/
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[22:52:41] mr.oduvan: ухты... я есть в фидботе!
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[22:53:33] _lorien: Ты есть в pydev.ru/community/ ленте, фидбот оттуда трансляцию ведёт
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[22:54:24] mr.oduvan: черт... в топе меня маньяк обогнал...
[22:54:30] mr.oduvan: :)
[22:55:19] _lorien: даже не знаю, какой там принцип сортировки )
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[22:55:51] mr.oduvan: т.е. после моей фразы - заставил задуматься..
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[22:57:35] _lorien: Чё-т не пойму, что делает django-views-shorcuts
[22:58:22] mr.oduvan: да ниче.. просто там есть шорткутсы
[22:58:46] mr.oduvan: или ты ... про первый вопрос после прочтения поста?
[22:59:06] mr.oduvan: слушай.. получается постить теперь лучше в прайнтайм :)
[22:59:14] mr.oduvan: когда на канале дофига народу :))
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[23:01:49] _lorien: Если ты считаешь, что с этого канала придёт много народу, то да.
[23:02:07] _lorien: В течении часа, кажется подхватывается или около того.
[23:03:19] _lorien: я про шорткутсы, не увидел в описании одного прдложения где говорится, чо они вообще делают :D
[23:03:31] _lorien: я не про пост, вообще про приложение
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[23:04:12] mr.oduvan: там 5 файлов всего... из них используются 2 файла.. все в комментах
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[23:06:30] _lorien: http://bitbucket.org/neithere/django-view-shortcuts/src/tip/view_shortcuts/decorators.py
гыгы, у меня тоже такие аппы есть:
django-common и django-memoize
[23:07:09] mr.oduvan: срочно пиши это мне в коменты... люди имеют право знать правду
[23:09:08] _lorien: я ему создал issue, шо мол models.py есть, а в нём ничо нету )
[23:09:47] _lorien: гы, на bitbucket.org юзаются иконки с famfam
[23:10:00] _lorien: а, и скорее всего весь редактор - это markitup
[23:10:22] _lorien: точно, в сорцах видны его вызовы
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[23:18:06] xa4a: гхм
[23:19:10] xa4a: тупой вконтакте
[23:19:18] xa4a: поломал мне lxml
[23:19:57] xa4a: lxml в дебагере пишет: http://dumpz.org/11052/
[23:20:08] xa4a: u'\xa0\x0b\xa0 ... это нормально?
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[23:22:49] _lorien: мы не телепаты :D
[23:23:52] xa4a: wtf u'\xa0' ?
[23:24:02] _lorien: xa4a, а у тебя секретный парсер? Интересно поглядеть на кусок кода, как люди с xml работают
[23:24:14] _lorien: или ты не через xpath, а soup интерфейс юзаешь?
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[23:24:54] xa4a: секретный
[23:24:55] xa4a: http://bitbucket.org/xa4a/meta_v/src/tip/parsers.py
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[23:26:24] xa4a: там ни xpath почти нет, ни soup интерфейса)
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[23:29:15] xa4a: да, так вот fromstring говорит ValueError: All strings must be XML compatible: Unicode or ASCII, no NULL bytes
[23:29:18] xa4a: на одной из страниц
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[23:37:56] xa4a: быдлокод?
[23:38:02] _lorien: Как вы считаете, что удобнее вводить в WYSIWYG режиме в редакторе типа wymeditr или всё же сырой markdown вводить? Ресурс типахабрахабра, только допустыми любые гиковские фишки )
[23:38:08] _lorien: xa4a, не знаю, так много, что сразу смотреть не охото )
[23:38:25] _lorien: Понял, что мне неинтересно как там люди юзает lxml :D
[23:38:44] xa4a: да, мне тож блевать хочется, когда смотрю. но как круче сделать - не придумал
[23:38:51] _lorien: А зачем вообще? )
[23:38:55] Мозгошредер: _lorien, а можно линк на ресурс? :)
[23:39:00] _lorien: Можно на модули разбить )
[23:39:11] _lorien: Линк можно: http://itforge.ru
[23:39:27] xa4a: ну это всё один кагбэ модуль. это всё парсит одну страницу
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[23:40:45] _lorien: например LABEL_BASE, CALLBACKS можно куда-нить в config.py засунуть
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[23:44:57] mr.oduvan: стартап по приглашениям?
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[23:45:52] mr.oduvan: кстате..
[23:46:03] mr.oduvan: раз уж тут парсеры упомянули
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[23:46:44] cutwater: _lorien, по поводу вопроса имхо считаю удобней markdown с превью редактировать чем висивиг
[23:47:03] mr.oduvan: BeautifulSoup Parser - ктото юзал?
[23:47:10] cutwater: или restructuredtext ))
[23:47:22] _lorien: mr.oduvan, это не стартап, это хуйня, которую я делаю на досуге, мне не нравится слово стартап, оно используется в 90% не к месту )
[23:47:37] xa4a: mr.oduvan: красивое мыло - не плохо, но тормозное слишком
[23:47:48] _lorien: mr.oduvan, я тож юзал
[23:48:01] mr.oduvan: а что лучше всего для парсинга страници?
[23:48:12] mr.oduvan: юзать
[23:48:14] _lorien: mr.oduvan, то что тебе удобнее, то и лучше
[23:48:30] mr.oduvan: )
[23:48:33] xa4a: если не много парсить, то мыло пойдёт. иначе - можно lxml с парсером от мыла
[23:48:36] xa4a: я так делаю
[23:48:43] _lorien: ещё есть html5lib
[23:48:48] _lorien: как она работает я толком не понял )
[23:49:06] _lorien: вроде что-то внутреннее питоновское использует
[23:49:28] mr.oduvan: поянтно...
[23:49:31] mr.oduvan: дякую
[23:49:33] _lorien: я вчера парился с wymeditor, а теперь думаю, может правда лучше дать писать в голом markdown
[23:49:57] cutwater: _lorien, +++
[23:50:14] cutwater: и сделать превью если не аяксовое (или js) то как в траке ))
[23:50:18] cutwater: то есть обычное
[23:50:31] _lorien: С markdown можно заюзать markitup
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[23:50:49] mr.oduvan: http://itforge.ru/ - это значит уклон на айти... как по мне... лишние глючные бирюльки - для ламеров... мне лучше чистый
[23:50:51] _lorien: гыгы, по теме :D
[23:50:55] cutwater: _lorien, только по поводу превью в мартитапе
[23:51:04] cutwater: я его смотрел )) у него же свой рендерен
[23:51:07] cutwater: *рендерер
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[23:51:20] _lorien: Так вот, в markitup странная кнопка "code" только первую линию в блоке индентирует o_O
[23:51:24] cutwater: это как бы минус, я считаю, ибо сервер может рендерить слегка иначе )))
[23:51:48] _lorien: есть проект django-markitup, там доступно preview серверное, насколько я понял
[23:52:37] cutwater: вообще хочу аяксовый превью только по кнопке а не сразу во время редактирования )))
[23:53:22] xa4a: /me никак не выучит, как в мардауне линки оформлять
[23:53:32] xa4a: потому bbcode решает)
[23:54:17] cutwater: а мне личто нравится гуглокодовый маркап и траковый... как-то хочется частично позаимствовать и собрать конфетку
[23:54:21] cutwater: *лично
[23:54:37] cutwater: ибо в markdown и rest есть куча минусов :(
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[23:55:36] mr.oduvan: народ, а ктото пробывал эту штуку?
[23:55:37] mr.oduvan: http://sct.sphene.net/wiki/show/Start/
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[23:59:43] mr.oduvan: а это?
[23:59:45] mr.oduvan: http://pinaxproject.com/