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[14:52:03] : xa4a_ установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://itquest.ru/ | Ещё рано использовать py3k
[14:52:24] xa4a: sevenov: ?
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[14:54:07] Typhon: http://www.dumpz.org/11086/ от цикла избавиться как?
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[14:55:12] xa4a: from itertools import imap
[14:55:28] Typhon: не не
[14:55:34] xa4a: нене
[14:55:36] Typhon: ща целиком
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[14:55:52] xa4a: from itertools import izip, repeatreturn izip(repeat(top), fns)
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[14:56:16] Typhon: py2.3
[14:56:19] Typhon: рипита нету )
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[14:56:52] Typhon: хотя это не мешает, да
[14:57:00] Typhon: спасибо :)
[14:57:07] xa4a: for x in map(lambda fn: (top, fn), fns): yield x
[14:57:23] Typhon: ну это опять цикл :)
[14:57:27] Stanislav Pugachev: так все равно цыкл
[14:57:30] Stanislav Pugachev: ой
[14:57:39] xa4a: Typhon: без цикла - другое
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[14:57:45] xa4a: тоесть э
[14:57:55] xa4a: а, ну да. если без цикла, то делает другое
[14:57:56] xa4a: в 2.3
[14:58:03] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (счастливый спамер)
[14:58:25] Typhon: ой, я соврал нагло
[14:58:26] d_darth: мож всетаки wnck ктонить имел дело?
[14:58:34] Typhon: есть repeat
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[15:25:11] Большой Лис: xa4a, да и бросили авторы его (orbited)
[15:25:19] Большой Лис: не развиваю больше
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[15:25:30] xa4a: это не мне
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[15:26:13] Большой Лис: оу... wiz т.е.
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[15:26:30] Большой Лис: хотя не, гоню я. дата последнего релиза 2009-06-20
[15:26:42] wiz: Большой Лис, альтернативы есть?
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[15:33:05] bergamot: re.match(r'$[\w-]+^', 'asdf') - слабо?
[15:33:33] xa4a: ^$
[15:33:36] wiz: bergamot, бывает...
[15:33:37] xa4a: местами поменчять
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[15:34:01] bergamot: угу, впопыхах написал, сейчас несколько минут тупил, думал что не работает
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[15:34:23] Большой Лис: http://github.com/dansimpson/amqp-js/
[15:34:25] Большой Лис: во
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[15:34:47] Большой Лис: но оно ещё круче, тут и флеш ещё нужен :)
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[15:35:40] Stanislav Pugachev: а если r указываешь разве нада якоря ставить?
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[15:36:22] wiz: r это вообще не про то
[15:36:56] Stanislav Pugachev: если r ставишь то якоря все равно нужно писать?
[15:37:00] Stanislav Pugachev: ой
[15:37:15] xa4a: да, ой
[15:37:35] wiz: swfPath : "path/to/AMQPFlash.swf",
[15:37:37] wiz: пздц
[15:37:40] xa4a: это если match vs. search, то можно к концу/началу не прибивать
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[15:42:15] wiz: Большой Лис, а что ты вдруг в комет подался? я тоже хочу (=
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[15:44:03] Большой Лис: у меня задача
сидит оператор, принимает заявки по телефону (с астера кстати сказать) когда ему поступает входящий звонок, ему тут же надо показать на экране форму новой заявки с callerid и потом всё это сохранить с записью разговора
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[15:44:22] Большой Лис: имхо тут комет катит
[15:44:32] Большой Лис: точнее, только он и катит :D
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[15:46:13] wiz: мм... интересно
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[15:47:47] Большой Лис: астер же можно заставить тыкнутся куда надо во время звонка, и callerid покажет
[15:48:09] Большой Лис: а по завершению и запись разговора туда же сольёт
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[15:53:25] wiz: надо будет тоже замутить такую штуку
[15:53:34] wiz: когда будем сапортельню писать
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[16:02:24] Большой Лис: ну вобщем я вижу палюбому надо JS+флеш юзать, что бы JS обрёл способность мутить сокеты
[16:02:28] Большой Лис: обычные сокеты
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[16:03:08] wiz: дык комет же в том и состоит, что канал открывается через обычный http keep-alive, безо всякого гамна
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[16:09:13] Большой Лис: это орбитед
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[16:09:14] Большой Лис: использует разные приколы в разных браузерах
[16:09:14] Большой Лис: что бы открыть долгий коннект
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[16:09:15] Большой Лис: а нахер оно надо? если куда проще просто малюсенький swf+js и вот, сокеты готовы
[16:09:15] Большой Лис: и дальше дело за малым, реализовать amqp :D
[16:09:15] Большой Лис: http://www.devpro.it/xmlsocket/
[16:09:15] wiz: ну хзхз... я к флэшу на километр не подойду
[16:09:15] Большой Лис: самое приличное что нашёл
[16:09:15] wiz: уж лучше через xmpp (=
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[16:09:17] Большой Лис: wiz, а как ты его в браузер увяжешь?
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[16:09:18] wiz: http://blog.jwchat.org/jsjac/
[16:09:18] wiz: у RabbitMQ того же есть насколько я помню XMPP интерфейс
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[16:11:07] Большой Лис: wiz, дак он просто тупо долбится в rpc интерфейс
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[16:11:36] wiz: э?
[16:11:58] wiz: кстати у астериска есть XMPP интерфейс, так что rabbitmq не нужен в случае jsjac
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[16:12:31] Большой Лис: там клиентская часть (в астере) насколько я помню
[16:12:52] Большой Лис: так что он только отправлять может
[16:13:05] wiz: ну дык
[16:13:16] wiz: отправил, сервер доставил оператору
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[16:14:43] Большой Лис: jsjac должен в xmpp сервер тыкатся
[16:14:48] wiz: чочо?
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[16:14:55] wiz: ну да, логично (=
[16:15:10] wiz: тот же ежабер запускаешь и поехали
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[16:15:33] Большой Лис: и чего дальше?
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[16:15:52] Большой Лис: типо астер шлёт серверу, сервер шлёт клиенту?
[16:15:55] Большой Лис: через jsjac
[16:15:57] wiz: ээ
[16:15:58] wiz: да
[16:16:15] wiz: ну а так астер шлёт в MQ, MQ шлёт клиенту
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[16:16:16] Большой Лис: но тогда надо будет вручную, самому мудохатся с очередями
[16:16:18] Большой Лис: кому чего показывать
[16:16:32] Большой Лис: а так, MQ этим занимается
[16:16:41] wiz: кому позвонило, тому и сообщение пришло. или ты про что?
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[16:18:15] Большой Лис: хм, ну да в принципе
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[16:23:00] Большой Лис: хотя jsjac это нифига не comet
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[16:24:00] wiz: там тоже через кип-алив
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[16:24:22] wiz: только его не апач какой-нибудь держит, а сам ежабер
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[16:25:22] Большой Лис: ннне
[16:25:37] Большой Лис: я jwchat запуска кстати
[16:25:41] Большой Лис: глюкало ацкое
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[16:26:16] tilarids: Большой Лис, то ты не умеешь его готовить :)
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[16:26:18] tilarids: нормально оно работает
[16:26:47] tilarids: wiz, а чего ты с астериском делать то желаешь?
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[16:27:33] Большой Лис: wiz, не, палюбому он просто долбится в url
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[16:29:05] wiz: там несколько режимов
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[16:47:16] Большой Лис: кстати есть rabbitmq-xmpp
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[16:50:30] feedbot: Хочу другой линукс! http://django-newbie.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post_31.html
OneToOne в Django Admin http://www.lyabah.com/index.php/2009/07/31/onetoone-in-django-admin/
Runtime ChoiceField filtering in Django's admin http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/96br9/runtime_choicefield_filtering_in_djangos_admin/
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[17:07:51] nmk: а py2exe можно на линуксе заюзать? что бы в результате виндовый экзешник получился
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[17:11:31] nmk: ну хочется нативно. принципе я уже начал виртуалку запускать. :)
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[18:15:25] totoer: один вопрос! все языки придназначались на самом деле для чего то особенного! а питон для чего?
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[18:16:09] xa4a: все языки предназначались для работы с лентой машини тьюринга
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[18:16:40] cutwater: )))
[18:16:40] cutwater: =1
[18:16:40] Portnov: xa4a, не все )
[18:16:40] cutwater: +1
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[18:17:19] xa4a: *ны
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[18:19:38] totoer: )))! не я не про это! ну допустим С для создания платыорм или новых языков perl автоматизация или язык извлечений и отчётов
[18:20:02] totoer: а питон!
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[18:20:23] indieman: а питон - !
[18:20:35] xa4a: rapid prototyping сложных систем с одной стороны, а с другой - простой яп общего назначения
[18:20:56] totoer: АМ???
[18:20:56] xa4a: имхо
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[18:21:13] indieman: на питон много кто пишет, потому что прикольно)
[18:21:14] totoer: крутовато!
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[18:21:52] xa4a: о! новая вакансия питонстам) http://hh.ua/vacancy/2196526 5 лет опыта и за это отправляют во францию
[18:22:07] totoer: а книжку на русском акуенную кто нить посоветовать может?
[18:22:23] sevenov: xa4a, в рабство?
[18:22:29] sevenov: хмхм, кто меня хайлайтил?
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[18:22:40] xa4a: sevenov: я. про couchdb
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[18:23:19] xa4a: sevenov: вот если память не изменяет, там была возможность не хранить сами документы в индексе, а только идшники, но чтобы документы соответствующие сами при запросе подтягивались?
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[18:23:19] sevenov: xa4a, шото не вижу, у меня раз 6-7 повторяются последние 20 постов.
[18:23:37] klichuk: * возможность прохождения стажировок (от недели до нескольких месяцев) во Франции;
[18:23:40] sevenov: xa4a, документы соответствующие чему?
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[18:28:01] sevenov: а
[18:28:01] sevenov: хм, не помню
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[18:28:01] sevenov: Это в 0.8?
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[18:28:02] xa4a: было давно
[18:28:02] xa4a: во вьюхах, которые без reduce
[18:28:02] sevenov: xa4a, http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/HTTP_Document_API <-- если тут нет, то хз где
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[18:48:02] sevenov: xa4a, если найдешь, сообщи :-)
[18:48:02] sevenov: Кста, всех с праздником
[18:48:02] sevenov: /me глотнул пивка
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[18:48:02] indieman: а в питон 2.5 нельзя разделители вставлять в print??
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[18:48:02] sevenov: indieman, какие?
[18:48:02] indieman: ну вроде в третьем есть штука, что можно написать строку. которая будет между переменными вставляться.
[18:48:02] indieman: и которая будет конец вывода по умолчанию.
[18:48:02] indieman: заменять.
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[18:48:02] xa4a: print 'sep'.join(a, b, c)
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[18:48:02] cutwater: третий конечно вкусно.. кстати интересно под ним джанга уже запускается?
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[18:48:02] indieman: ага. спасибо. но я просто про возможность спрашивал. просто я начал с третьего, а потом понял, что рано. но так как я недавно на нем, то все перепуталось))
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[18:48:03] cutwater: ))
[18:48:03] sevenov: cutwater, кста, а что ты делаешь на php@cjr? o__O
[18:48:03] cutwater: лулзы ловлю
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[18:48:03] sevenov: cutwater, я посидел там, фу. Лулзов никаких, потоки говнокода.
[18:48:03] cutwater: sevenov, они там проскакивают.
[18:48:03] cutwater: алсо в прошлом я пхпшник
[18:48:03] sevenov: буэ
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[18:48:03] cutwater: да я знаю... это позор на моем программерском прошлом
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[18:48:03] cutwater: алсо иногда там бывает еда ))
[18:48:03] cutwater: кстати, кто-нибудь тут диз в gimp рисовал
[18:48:03] sevenov: cutwater, ну я всегда рисую в гимпе.
[18:48:03] cutwater: мне просто интересно... он меня одного напрягает ^W^W^W я к нему один не привык
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[18:48:03] cutwater: да понятно, но надо освоиться.
[18:48:03] cutwater: я вообще совсем не дизайнер
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[19:54:44] ezotrank@jabber.ru/Meebo: доброго вечерка всем )
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[20:02:48] cutwater: товарищи помогите с идиотской проблемой
[20:03:02] cutwater: как в джанго темплейте задать правильный путь к медиа
[20:03:21] cutwater: вот блин перерыл djangobook и офдоки, не увидел чего мне надо.
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[20:08:03] xa4a: cutwater: тебе нужен {{ MEDIA_URL }}
[20:08:08] xa4a: и соотв опция в сеттингсах
[20:08:17] xa4a: и media контекст процессор
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[20:12:20] cutwater: так просто. спасибо ))
[20:12:31] cutwater: :D не там искал.
[20:12:54] cutwater: осталось разрулить чтобы runserver таки отдавал статику пока тестирую
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[20:13:25] cutwater: аха, все )) нашел в сорцах byteflow ))
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[20:14:21] sevenov: cutwater, url(r'^media/(?P<path>.*)$', 'django.views.static.serve', {'document_root': settings.MEDIA_ROOT}),

[20:14:27] sevenov: а, опоздал )
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[20:15:22] cutwater: спасибо :)
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[20:36:09] sevenov: у кого нибудь https://manage.slicehost.com/ открывается?
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[20:37:36] bergamot: не открывается
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[20:42:40] Большой Лис: http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=22830
[20:43:17] sevenov: хмхм, и sevenov.ru тоже
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[20:44:23] sevenov: Большой Лис, интересно
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[20:48:06] Большой Лис: http://store.digium.com/productview.php?product_code=804-00019
[20:48:21] Большой Лис: $0
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[20:50:30] feedbot: Find Links on Del.icio.us with a Python Script http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/96e93/find_links_on_delicious_with_a_python_script/
Search for 10 letter words on Google Voice http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/96e72/search_for_10_letter_words_on_google_voice/
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[20:59:27] sevenov: bergamot, можешь скинуть трассировку до manage.slicehost.com ?
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[21:00:19] bergamot: у меня заработало
[21:00:45] sevenov: У меня пока еще нет.
[21:00:48] bergamot: трацерт вообще дикий
[21:00:50] sevenov: Ну я в сапорт написал
[21:01:02] sevenov: У меня такой: http://chat.slicehost.com/paste/1249063110.txt
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[21:02:35] bergamot: получил в приват?
[21:02:45] bergamot: гаджим с шифрованием задуряется
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[21:40:05] slav0nic: билять опять летучая мышь залетела
[21:40:28] bergamot: мне бы твои проблемы
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[21:41:30] slav0nic: заипали, когда-то 3 штуки залетело, было весело) они видать коммуникабельные)
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[21:41:54] bergamot: они общаются между собой. ультразвук и все такое
[21:42:15] bergamot: наконец-то приделали дизайн к моему Главному Проекту на Джанго
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[21:42:50] bergamot: юзерам нравится=)
[21:43:00] bergamot: хотя форум не доделан - слишком кислотный
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[21:58:08] xa4a: /me когда-то боролся с залетающими летучими мышами котом
[21:58:19] xa4a: под раздачу так же попадали и залетающие ласточки
[21:58:25] xa4a: и крупные насекомые
[21:58:30] slav0nic: )
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[21:58:37] xa4a: только и ходить с утра - улов собирать
[21:58:54] Хрюндель: Кто что юзает для тредед комментс?
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[21:59:05] xa4a: а то ему словить-то интересно, и глотку перебить, чтоб не трепыхалось, а хавать - нах не вкусно, наверна
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[21:59:27] xa4a: Хрюндель: по-моему есть стандарт де-факто
[21:59:34] xa4a: !g django threaded comments
[21:59:41] xa4a: или не этот
[22:00:06] Хрюндель: xa4a, этот? http://github.com/ericflo/django-threadedcomments/tree/master
[22:00:14] xa4a: а, ну наверна
[22:00:22] Хрюндель: xa4a, а чего там дока стёрта
[22:00:32] Хрюндель: изучать что ли говнокод этот щас..
[22:00:33] xa4a: http://code.google.com/p/django-threadedcomments/
[22:00:58] Хрюндель: а, вижу
[22:01:03] Хрюндель: щас почитаем
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[23:04:20] Хрюндель: не ну это какая то херня, там depth не пашет
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[23:08:24] xa4a: значит это не то)
[23:08:37] xa4a: /me потыкал slav0nic
[23:08:39] xa4a: ты летаешь
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[23:44:33] wonderfulll is now online
[23:44:34] wonderfulll is now away
[23:44:45] Хрюндель is now online
[23:44:47] kryklia is now away
[23:44:48] kryklia is now away
[23:45:16] jolits is now offline
[23:45:27] jolits is now ...zZ. Засыпаю... почти сплю...
[23:45:52] tilarids is now online
[23:46:33] kryklia is now away
[23:47:03] indieman is now xa
[23:48:26] Большой Лис is now xa
[23:49:33] wonderfulll is now away
[23:49:34] wonderfulll is now online
[23:51:19] Большой Лис is now online
[23:51:34] kryklia is now away
[23:52:04] indieman is now xa
[23:54:34] wonderfulll is now away
[23:54:35] wonderfulll is now online
[23:56:34] kryklia is now away
[23:57:05] indieman is now xa
[23:59:26] jolits is now Thirteen Years. The Sorrow
[23:59:34] wonderfulll is now online
[23:59:35] wonderfulll is now away