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[01:27:05] огыешсук: а зачем? не кодить ж в нём
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в нем
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[03:35:27] _lorien: gigimon, http://www.bpython-interpreter.org/screenshots/
[03:36:15] sevenov: _lorien, охох, bpython мегатормоз.
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[03:37:16] _lorien: ну, наверное, из-за этого хайлайтинга %)
[03:38:40] sevenov: я уж не помню, вроде автокомплит
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[04:01:50] _lorien: Alexander Artemenko
Подскажите, как читается, Артеменко или Артёменко?
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[04:04:21] sevenov: _lorien, Артёменко
[04:04:54] sevenov: _lorien, пруф: http://alexander-artemenko.ya.ru/
[04:05:04] sevenov: Ёще пруф: http://svetlyak.habrahabr.ru/
[04:05:31] sevenov: И еще один: http://svetlyak.ru/
[04:05:34] sevenov: см. в футер
[04:05:39] sevenov: _lorien, достаточно? :-))
[04:05:48] _lorien: добавил его в /links/ и /community/ на pydev.ru )
[04:05:50] _lorien: да, спасибо
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[12:47:04] _lorien: есть какая-нить вменяемая вики на базе джанго в виде отдельного application?
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[13:00:26] cutwater: вопрос, кроме как на сервере есть какая-нибудь удобная валидация форм в джанге?
[13:01:41] xa4a: если поставишь джангу на клиента..
[13:02:06] cutwater: не.. ну мало ли... может она умеет джавоскриптом валидировать
[13:02:08] xa4a: а, или ты про встроенный js?
[13:02:11] cutwater: ага
[13:02:12] xa4a: нет, такого нет
[13:02:51] cutwater: как вариант чтобы не писать 2 раза валидацию, отправить AJAX на сервер, в случае успеха редирект куда надо, в случае ошибки соответственно показать что надо
[13:03:09] xa4a: ну как..
[13:03:19] xa4a: тогда по ходу наборе нельзя валидацию делать
[13:03:26] xa4a: т.к. не знаешь, когда юзер закончит набирать
[13:03:42] xa4a: тоесть выходит не рил-тайм
[13:04:06] cutwater: ну а если по ходу набора еще делать, то сильно много дублируемого кода выходит.
[13:04:30] xa4a: у меня вот есть одна вьюха
[13:04:40] xa4a: через которую все поля валидируются
[13:05:04] cutwater: кодец можешь показать?
[13:05:06] cutwater: интересно
[13:06:20] xa4a: как-то так http://dumpz.org/11123/
[13:06:43] cutwater: спс
[13:11:27] xa4a: совсем кошерно - вместо return {'success': True, 'result': True ...} юзать json-rpc, а не придумывать свой велосипед
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[14:20:28] cutwater: xa4a, а что за декоратор в твоем коде ajax_request ?
[14:20:49] xa4a: скорее всего упаковывает ответ в json
[14:21:13] xa4a: в общем, да
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[14:22:21] cutwater: ясно. сенкс.
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[14:24:35] xa4a: о
[14:24:48] xa4a: python-3.1 пришёл в портыж. незамаскированным даже, похоже
[14:26:39] _lorien: а чем можно к виндовз подключиться? К его фиче "удалённый помощник"?
[14:26:41] _lorien: из линукса
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[14:27:18] xa4a: _lorien: krd?
[14:27:26] xa4a: krdc
[14:27:56] xa4a: правда питон не собирается
[14:31:07] Большой Лис: кто-нибудь freeswitch щупал?
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[14:32:24] xa4a: питон3 при сборке выпадает с сообщением: File "/var/tmp/portage/dev-lang/python-3.1/work/Python-3.1/Lib/encodings/ascii.py", line 26, in decode return codecs.ascii_decode(input, self.errors)[0] UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 926: ordinal not in range(128)
[14:32:40] xa4a: export LANG=C не помогло
[14:36:24] Большой Лис: братва! а gajim можно расширять собственными скриптами? кто знает?
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[14:37:29] _lorien: xa4a, то что надо
[14:37:48] _lorien: Большой Лис, был проект на gsoc - плагины для гажима
[14:37:57] _lorien: возможно есть ветка рабочая, вроде б видел у них на сайте
[14:38:02] cutwater: кто знает в чем можно нарисовать анимированную SVG
[14:38:39] _lorien: inkscape, возможно
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[14:50:28] feedbot: Копирование файлов (paramiko и sftp) http://pyobject.ru/blog/2009/08/02/copying-files-with-paramiko-via-sftp/
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[15:02:47] _lorien: подскажите антивирус бесплатный для винды
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[15:03:11] xa4a: а тебе вирусы ловить не надо?
[15:03:52] cutwater: _lorien, Avira Anti-Vir
[15:03:58] cutwater: только задолбет окнами при обновлении ))
[15:04:05] xa4a: можно у нода брать 30-day trial раз в месяц
[15:04:43] _lorien: да я тут вспомнил, что вроде б один ключ на нод ещё должен быть, я в том году покупал 3 по цене одного
[15:06:41] _lorien: да и щас смотрю на сайте то же самое продаётся
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[15:06:41] gigimon: а кто тут пару недель назад хотел блокировать сам себе некотоыре сайты, чтобы работать7 Хрюндель?

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[15:13:48] _lorien: вы скооперируйтесь, хватит денег, шобы досить хабр в рабочее время ваше :D
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[15:18:53] Большой Лис: sevenov, галимый он
[15:19:38] sevenov: Большой Лис, вообще говно. Есть jabbim, но интерфейс пиздец унылый.
[15:19:41] xa4a: Большой Лис: у копыта есть плагин - пропускать сообщения через трубы
[15:19:58] Большой Лис: в смысле в канализацию? :)
[15:20:04] sevenov: %))
[15:20:14] xa4a: нуэ.... трубы, которые палки)
[15:20:17] xa4a: нуэ)
[15:20:21] xa4a: | pipes
[15:20:29] xa4a: через скрипты пропускать)
[15:20:49] sevenov: "трубы, которые палки" -- надо запомнить :-)
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[15:31:44] xa4a: red-agent: собирается свежеприплывший питон3.1?
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[15:37:13] xa4a: http://dumpz.org/11128/ как-то так
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[16:34:28] Большой Лис: чото, вроде ещё один вариант комета
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[18:26:32] Большой Лис: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org
[18:26:42] Большой Лис: замечательное название :)
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[20:07:51] Александp: подскажите по такому вопросу, нужно взять по идентификатору объект из базы, но вместе с ним прихватить ещё несколько данных из связанных табличек, как такое делается в django?
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[20:10:48] cutwater: ты имеешь ввиду JOIN ?
[20:11:05] cutwater: меня это тоже интересует
[20:11:27] cutwater: в гуглях пишут "никак" пишите ручками запрос, создавайте менеджер
[20:11:56] Большой Лис: Александp, select_related
[20:12:11] Большой Лис: метод такое есть
[20:12:18] Александp: ну вот смотри, есть модель Post
хотим достать определённый пост по идентификатору
например, Post.objects.get(id=777), но этот объект уже select_related не имеет
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[20:12:44] Portnov: Post.objects.select_related().get(id=777) ?
[20:12:48] Большой Лис: select_related это метод QuerySet-а
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[20:13:38] cutwater: о.. спасибо. это интересно
[20:13:39] Александp: хм
[20:14:01] Александp: спасибо, не пробовал местами менять
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[20:24:19] Александp: а ещё вопросик, связанный,
модель Post имеет поле votes = GenericRelation(Vote), можно как-нибудь с помощью select_related вытащить голос за данный пост текущего юзера?
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[20:58:18] Александp: а left join в транке не появился?
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[21:19:20] xa4a: !wtf comet спрашивать Большой Лис
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[21:19:36] Большой Лис: ы?!
[21:19:55] xa4a: а то потом когда-то начну искать, а ты шифроваться будешь)
[21:20:55] Александp: так кто как заменяет left join?
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[21:22:39] xa4a: Александp: reverse_relations?
[21:22:45] xa4a: которые object_set
[21:22:46] xa4a: не?
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[21:23:46] Александp: xa4a, это вообще к какому объекту относится?
[21:23:59] xa4a: это относится к ForeignKey
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[21:24:16] xa4a: если я правильно понимаю, что ты хочешь от keft join
[21:24:52] Александp: post = Post.objects.select_related('votes').filter(votes__user=request.user).extra(
select={'vote': 'vote.vote'}, tables=['vote', 'post']).get(id=id, deleted=False)
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[21:25:02] Александp: я хочу сделать такое
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[21:25:23] Александp: только в этом примере в случае, если не голосовали резальтат будет нулевой
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[21:26:26] cutwater: вообще как ни печально очень хотелось бы юзать sqlalchemy в django
[21:26:28] xa4a: тоесть джойн, который экстрой делается? я бы в него смотрел
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[21:27:29] Александp: я не знаю как грамотно это называется, т.е. дополнит всё нулевыми значениями если связи в таблице vote не существует
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[21:29:50] denplis: Почему могут не работать ссылки на статические страницы? В settings.py все прописано, при обращении к статической странице - 404.
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[21:31:47] xa4a: Александp: не совсем понял, что ты хочешь таким запросом выдрать
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[21:32:03] xa4a: denplis: там, где 404 оно тебе пишет все известные паттерны
[21:32:18] xa4a: скорее всего в urls.py накосячил
[21:32:45] Александp: xa4a, я хочу узнать, как проголосовал за пост пользователь,который его в данный момент запрашивает
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[21:33:03] Александp: чтобы стрелочку, например, окрасить в другой цает
[21:33:09] Александp: цвет*
[21:33:31] xa4a: ага..
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[21:34:34] xa4a: а если делать что-то типа extra(select={'vote': 'sum(vote.vote)'}, ...
[21:35:01] xa4a: хотя гм. не то, может.
[21:35:04] xa4a: интересно)
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[21:35:59] denplis: по идеи FlatpageFallbackMiddleware должен перенаправлять на статическую страницу
в urls.py ничего, кроме ссылки на админку
[21:36:38] xa4a: denplis: если должен перенаправлять, но не перенаправляет, то.. проблема в нём. втыкай в него дебагер и фпирёд)
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[21:37:05] Александp: xa4a, вот и мне не только интересно но и очень нужно :-)
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[21:37:19] xa4a: Александp: если совсем в лоб - можно в extra всунуть подзапрос
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[21:37:56] Александp: это то да, но только как временное решение
[21:38:20] Александp: если не найду другого, то так и придётся сделать
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[21:39:08] xa4a: ща piranha, если проснётся снова бурчать будет, но для этой цели можно было бы в субд сделать хранимку)
[21:39:27] xa4a: denplis: мидлварь включена?
[21:39:42] Александp: хранимка ээто что? Днормализация?
[21:39:52] xa4a: хранимаю процедура
[21:39:55] xa4a: я
[21:39:58] denplis: xa4a: да
[21:40:29] xa4a: стоп. в джанге с ними ещё хуже, чем с left join. отставить)
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[21:40:57] xa4a: denplis: мидлварь отрабатывает при запросе? (если вставить ей в код raise Exception() то он вылезет?)
[21:41:04] piranha: xa4a: кекеке
[21:41:13] piranha: xa4a: ты переслушал лекций по базам данных
[21:41:15] piranha: :Р
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[21:42:25] piranha: ;)
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[21:43:01] xa4a: просто они меня впечатлили)
[21:43:12] piranha: ну это видно, это видно ;)
[21:43:17] piranha: я бы даже сказал, что очевидно
[21:43:29] piranha: но сейчас происходит ситуация, обратная движению nosql
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[21:43:53] piranha: не надо впадать в крайности, хранимые процедуры в случае, например, джанги - тупо куча головной боли )
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[21:44:47] xa4a: только наши инструменты не позволяют их задействовать) вот в студии - пишешь себе код, стукнуло что-то в голову, открыл в соседнем окошке едитор для субд, наваял несколько страниц sqla, перетащил мышкой иконку в свой плюсовый/шарповый код и всё пашет
[21:45:05] xa4a: /me так представляет разработку под ms платформу)
[21:45:09] piranha: %)))
[21:45:12] xa4a: *представляет себе
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