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[02:02:39] gigimon: подскажите пожалуйста, что-то ен моуг понять. Добавляю в джанго админке объект, в него записываю html тэги, вывожу их в темплейте, он их экранирует и выводит как еткст, а не теги

[02:02:46] gigimon: как вывести тэгами тэги?

[02:02:52] gigimon: фильтр не юзаю
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[07:25:21] лорд Морфий: gigimon: юзай |safe фильтр
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[07:44:22] bergamot: подскажите, как в pydev юзать сниппеты. типа t={% trans '%cursor%' %}. Вроде есть вкладка templates, но использовать шаблоны из нее?
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[10:47:18] xa4a: хабр-хабр... статья про линукс, начинающаяся с фразы "Дело в том, что моя мать довольно часто пьёт"
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[10:52:37] sevenov: xa4a, o_O
[10:52:52] xa4a: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/linux/65982/
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[10:54:22] Большой Лис: http://rightjs.org/ui/lightbox/demo
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[10:56:18] sevenov: >и заливаю на up.k10x.net. Бегу в консоль и wget up.k10x.net/kdshfjhj43hjk/open_home_door.mp3.
не Ъ. Есть же scp
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[10:58:00] cutwater: Большой Лис, спасибо за ссылку. очень интересно. может еще что-то подобное под jquery попадалось?
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[11:02:29] Большой Лис: cutwater, чочо?!
[11:02:42] Большой Лис: это не на jquery сделано
[11:02:47] cutwater: я увидел
[11:03:02] cutwater: вообще уже вспомнил и нашел че хотел в стандартной поставке jquery.ui
[11:03:03] sevenov: cutwater, jquery не нужен же.
[11:03:16] cutwater: sevenov, кому как. имхо очень полезная штука
[11:03:29] sevenov: cutwater, rightjs - Ъ
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[11:03:37] cutwater: чем он Ъ ?
[11:03:38] xa4a: если это есть готовое, сделаное без jquery - значит не нужен
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[11:04:07] sevenov: cutwater, как минимум: меньше веса и больше скорости.
[11:04:12] cutwater: xa4a, но если оно сделано на другом фреймворке )) то как бы я пользоваться не буду.
[11:04:16] piranha: меньше кода
[11:04:20] cutwater: в смысле 2 сразу
[11:04:22] piranha: в результате
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[11:04:32] cutwater: я то посмотрю его.. но пока не уверен
[11:04:43] cutwater: он меня заинтересовал
[11:04:49] cutwater: просто до этого вообще о нем не слышал
[11:06:12] cutwater: он мне своими магическими ф-циями $, $$, $A и т.п. чем-то очень сильно prototype напомнил
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[11:08:01] tilarids: вопрос не в тему, но всё же - кто-нибудь знает, как в гноме уменьшить высоту панельки? А то она меньше определенного уровня не уменьшается, а жаль
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[11:22:49] xa4a: крута. питон3.1 не хотел собиратьс, т.к. в /usr/include/db.h написано 48 #define DB_VERSION_STRING "Berkeley DB 4.7.25: (Июнь 21, 2009)"
[11:22:51] xa4a: июнь
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[12:30:47] mishok13: твиттер сука разбивает семьи и уничтожает государства
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[12:38:59] kron4eg: mishok13_: а чо так?
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[12:39:28] mishok13: да ничего, высказал свое мнение о logging -- такая буча поднялась
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[12:46:38] tilarids: mishok13,забей. ;) Или можешь скопипастить сюда своё мнение о logging, я тоже почитаю :)
[12:47:06] Typhon: What we need is a singleton-borg-vistor pattern logger. Then it will be enterprise ready.
[12:47:09] Typhon: хы)
[12:47:25] mishok13: ready to be enterprise ready
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[12:50:07] Typhon: mishok13: а что Beazley говорит про логгинг в презентацией своей, вкратце можешь передать, если читал?
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[12:50:26] feedbot: Новая статья про Python http://hlabs.spb.ru/news/pro_python_article.html
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[12:53:30] mishok13: Typhon, хороший туториал
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[12:53:36] mishok13: для меня ничего нового :)
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[13:00:08] Typhon: а, там туториал
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[13:00:26] Typhon: я думал, может предложения по улучшению и прочее.
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[13:01:55] gigimon: лорд Морфий: Спасибо за ответ :) я чет его не увидел сразу :( помнил что был такой

[13:02:14] лорд Морфий: gigimon: афигеть - скомка часов прошло :)))
[13:02:38] gigimon: лорд Морфий: :)

[13:02:48] gigimon: я только увидел, точнее только за комп сел)
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[13:34:00] sevenov: http://hlabs.spb.ru/development/python/pro_python.html <-- кстати, крутая статья, прочел.
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[16:02:34] lievil: привет
[16:02:37] lievil: по тредам вопрос
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[16:02:48] lievil: если треда отработала то она в состояние stoped
[16:02:54] lievil: как её перезапустить можно?
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[16:02:58] lievil: запустить заново
[16:03:08] lievil: например если треда в exception ушла
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[16:04:42] mishok13: во-первых, что значит, перезапустить?
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[16:05:30] mishok13: нахрена перезапускать целый тред, если можно просто ловить исключение в коде который бежит в треде и начинать заново
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[16:07:28] lievil: хз
[16:07:30] lievil: на всякий случай
[16:07:36] lievil: вдруг что-то не учел и упало
[16:07:40] lievil: а падать не должно
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[16:07:48] lievil: если я просто новый инстанс сделаю
[16:07:51] lievil: то это плохо?
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[16:08:07] mishok13: новый инстанс чего?
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[16:09:59] lievil: http://dpaste.com/74687/
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[16:53:30] mderk: @lievil использовать треды не хочешь ты
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[17:12:34] lievil: mderk, ?
[17:12:36] lievil: почему
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[17:14:01] lievil: mderk, обоснуй плиз
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[17:14:57] mderk: слишком большой оверхед на GIL на новых машинах. http://www.dabeaz.com/python/GIL.pdf
[17:15:06] lievil: mderk,
[17:15:08] lievil: надо просто
[17:15:16] lievil: эвент машину долго делать
[17:15:27] lievil: по срокам уже опоздал
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[17:15:34] lievil: надо чтобы одна треда выполняла работу
[17:15:35] mderk: возьми Processing.
[17:15:39] lievil: а другая принимала запросы
[17:15:53] lievil: одна треда
[17:15:58] lievil: это xmlclient
[17:16:07] lievil: а другая это типа чат интерфейса
[17:16:22] mderk: короче, на твой вопрос - поднять тред обратно нельзя, надо запускать новый
[17:16:34] lievil: а память течь не будет?
[17:16:47] lievil: подчистит всё gc ?
[17:16:48] mderk: а почему она должна?
[17:17:43] lievil: незнаю
[17:17:46] lievil: а что за Processing ?
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[17:17:50] mderk: что тред убитый? хз. Если ссылок не оставил, думаю нет. Фактически тред не просто мертвый. он уже закончил работу
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[17:18:21] lievil: isAlive это проверяет по коду
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[17:18:51] lievil: Processing это типа форков ?
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[17:19:06] lievil: http://wiki.python.org/moin/ParallelProcessing ?
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[17:19:20] mderk: да, типа
[17:19:32] mderk: в стандартной библиотеке с недавних пор
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[17:20:45] mderk: про треды. в треде выполняется функция. В ней - экс. По нему - выход из функции. выполнение кончилось. Что нужно чтобы "перезапустить" выполнение функции?
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[17:24:14] lievil: запустить треду заново
[17:25:03] mderk: ну вот
[17:25:34] lievil: я py.execnet смотрел
[17:25:40] lievil: но мозг мой не осилил его
[17:25:52] mderk: Processing - http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing , в 2.6 - http://docs.python.org/library/multiprocessing.html
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[17:30:03] lievil: а py.execnet смотрел?
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[17:31:38] mderk: нет
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[17:34:36] mishok13: ну совершенно же разные уровни абстракции
[17:35:14] mishok13: непонятно зачем ты полез в execnet если ты еще с тредами не разобрался
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[17:39:30] lievil: mishok13, в смысле не разобрался?
[17:39:33] lievil: вполне работают
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[19:04:00] lievil: mderk,
[19:04:03] lievil: вы тут?
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[19:06:36] lievil: test = processing.Process(target=Test)
test.start()

[19:06:56] lievil: а как мне получить доступ к получившемуся инстансу ?
[19:07:01] lievil: к его методам и свойствам
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[19:08:01] lievil: в тредах это можно сделать
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[19:08:12] lievil: просто test.свойство
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[19:13:32] mderk: какие свойства-то?
[19:13:36] mderk: а попробовать?
[19:13:43] lievil: пробовал
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[19:14:11] mderk: чnj пробовал
[19:14:15] mderk: что
[19:14:49] lievil: http://dpaste.com/74765/
[19:15:18] lievil: print test.num
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "test.py", line 26, in <module>
print test.num
AttributeError: 'Process' object has no attribute 'num'
[19:16:16] lievil: 26 строка
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[19:18:39] mderk: ну понятно что тут не так просто. Другие способы есть. Например через Queue таскать
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[19:20:31] lievil: вот зараза )
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[19:23:53] lievil: еще кто нибудь в тебе разбирается ?
[19:23:57] lievil: в теме
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[19:25:43] mishok13: я разбираюсь
[19:27:17] mishok13: но я тебе советую прочитать документацию по threading, потом прочитать пару книжек по POSIX Threads (или в худшем случае, по Windows Threading Model) и понять что такое deferred, coroutines и promises
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[19:28:49] lievil: что такое корутины я знаю
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[19:28:52] lievil: с тредами работал
[19:29:03] lievil: с автоматами работал но не в питоне
[19:29:18] lievil: и читать времени нету )
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[19:31:07] lievil: я просто пришел сюда , спросил про то как правильно перезапускать треду
[19:31:15] lievil: а мне сказали что треды зло, юзай processing
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[19:31:25] lievil: mishok13, юзать треды?
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[19:32:44] xa4a: lievil: я бы для перезапуска тредов использовал очередь синхронизированную
[19:32:47] xa4a: с суицидальными тредами
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[19:33:20] mishok13: lievil, я тебе с самого начала сказал -- не перезапускай тред, перезапускай задачу
[19:33:20] lievil: xa4a, там тредов не будет сотня
[19:33:40] lievil: mishok13, а я сразу ответил что вдруг я где-то не отслежу исключение
[19:33:43] mishok13: так в питоне принято и это нормально
[19:33:45] lievil: и он рухнет
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[19:33:56] mishok13: except Base блядь Exception и всё отследишь
[19:34:05] mishok13: это любое исключение словит
[19:34:10] lievil: (
[19:34:14] lievil: что за мир
[19:34:15] mishok13: обычно except Exception хватает с головой
[19:34:22] lievil: да я понимаю
[19:34:33] xa4a: (меня не слушай, если что)
[19:34:35] mishok13: ибо если у тебя полезли MemoryError и прочее -- то скорее всего ты в полной жопе
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[19:34:43] mishok13: или вообще эрланг используй
[19:34:44] lievil: xa4a, )) ок
[19:34:49] mishok13: ;)
[19:35:04] lievil: ерланг не вписывается в деадлайн
[19:35:08] mishok13: хыхы
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[19:35:10] lievil: как и любой другой язык
[19:35:12] mishok13: перезапускай задачу
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[19:35:28] lievil: %)))))))
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[19:35:40] lievil: у меня там экзепшены хитро делаются
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[19:35:49] lievil: чтобы логировалось
[19:36:01] lievil: на удаленный сервер по тцп
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[19:36:08] mishok13: и?
[19:36:34] lievil: боюсь перемудрить
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[19:36:47] lievil: сделав глобальный тру как вы говорите
[19:37:03] lievil: ладно
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[19:38:13] lievil: а еще надо чтобы это все взлетело ))))
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[19:38:57] mishok13: за то время, что ты здесь вопросы спрашиваешь
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[19:39:08] mishok13: можно было целый фреймворк для рестарта задач реализовать
[19:39:16] mishok13: и promises заодно
[19:40:01] lievil: да не я еще кодю
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[19:41:24] sevenov: раз такой ленивый и упертый. то читни доки по твистеду, там все должно быть.
[19:41:45] mishok13: ладно, я домой, но советов и рпедложений я тебе надавал предостаточно
[19:42:19] mishok13: sevenov, я про deferred уже упоминал
[19:42:38] sevenov: mishok13, да лог длинный, лень читать все )
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[20:24:47] gigimon: подскажите готовое решение, чтобы сравнивать >, < в джанговских темплейтах?

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[20:25:46] Большой Лис: gigimon, юзать jinja2
[20:25:58] Большой Лис: заодно ускорение в 20 раз поимеешь
[20:28:00] gigimon: а немного более стандартного? :)

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[20:30:27] Большой Лис: gigimon, jinja2 гораздо палутшее
[20:30:30] Большой Лис: бури не ссы
[20:30:37] gigimon: 'эх, ну ладно
[20:30:46] gigimon: мана под рукой как поставить нету?
[20:30:59] gigimon: http://lethain.com/entry/2008/jul/22/replacing-django-s-template-language-with-jinja2/
такой нашел, норм?
[20:31:09] Александp: Большой Лис, а есть какой-нибудь конвертер, а то у меня много шаблонов
[20:31:11] Александp: ?
[20:31:19] gigimon: а то я не особо представляю как поменять
[20:31:24] Большой Лис: Александp, они очень похожи
[20:31:34] Александp: и template таги сильно нужно будет менять?
[20:31:36] Большой Лис: тока в jinje ты можешь непосредственно питон кон тягать
[20:31:41] Большой Лис: а не парсер какой то йебучий
[20:31:49] Большой Лис: код*
[20:31:56] Александp: хм, слушай
[20:31:58] gigimon: эм, а тэги и фильтры как писать?
[20:32:17] Большой Лис: gigimon, марш доку читать!
[20:32:21] Александp: а можно часть шаблонов через жинжу рендерить, а часть через стандартный джанговский?
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[20:32:29] Большой Лис: там всё по полочками разложено
[20:32:30] gigimon: Большой Лис: ну я в плане также или по другому :)
[20:32:33] Большой Лис: Александp, можно
[20:32:35] Большой Лис: но смысла мало
[20:32:39] xa4a: Александp: если ті уверен, что єтого хочешь, то да
[20:32:41] Большой Лис: gigimon, по другому
[20:32:43] Большой Лис: лучше
[20:32:52] gigimon: ок)
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[20:33:20] Александp: xa4a, Большой Лис , это если переходить
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[21:18:46] xa4a: как у ipython дела с py3?
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[21:20:27] Большой Лис: никак думаю, если на 2.6 он ругается
[21:20:44] Большой Лис:
]$ ipython
/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/IPython/Magic.py:38: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated
from sets import Set
Python 2.6.2 (release26-maint, Apr 19 2009, 01:56:41)
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[22:58:56] neonc: Народ подскажите что может быть...
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[23:00:28] xa4a: это волчанка.
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[23:00:33] neonc: Читаю данные из telnet в переменную, а потом все в файл сохраняю... Но данных очень много и пишуться только последние 7 мегабайт тексте...
[23:00:54] xa4a: neonc: из telnet?
[23:01:01] neonc: Ну да..
[23:01:05] xa4a: как?
[23:01:18] xa4a: кусок кода на dumpz.org можешь показать
[23:01:34] tilarids is now online
[23:02:37] neonc: Вот http://dumpz.org/11180/
[23:03:10] neonc: Правда это я уже пытаюсь что сделать...
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[23:03:58] neonc: Вот что сначало было http://dumpz.org/11181/
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[23:07:16] xa4a: на первый взгляд - по вопросу ничего
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[23:07:32] lievil: а самому ssh клиент написать сложно?
[23:07:32] xa4a: только не совсем ясно, зачем много раз .decode('ascii')
[23:07:41] lievil: в смысле там простой rsa ? или какие закруты ?
[23:07:46] xa4a: и file переопределять встроенный не хорошо
[23:08:04] xa4a: lievil: ты писать хочешь, или просто спрашиваешь?)
[23:08:09] lievil: /me переопределял stdout :)
[23:08:12] lievil: хочу
[23:08:17] xa4a: лучше не стоит)
[23:08:19] lievil: велят )
[23:08:21] lievil: надо
[23:08:23] lievil: ( надо
[23:08:27] neonc: Получаеться что я получаю файлик в 7 метров...
[23:08:30] xa4a: должен быть готовый где-то)
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[23:08:38] lievil: xa4a мне не на питоне
[23:08:42] xa4a: аэ
[23:08:48] lievil: на луа
[23:08:51] xa4a: #include 'openssh.h'
[23:08:54] xa4a: ыэ
[23:09:07] xa4a: neonc: может тебе сервер столько присылает?
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[23:09:12] lievil: ну это такой скриптовой язык
[23:09:41] xa4a: да, знаю
[23:10:01] neonc: xa4a: Почему тогда конец присылает..
[23:10:06] xa4a: ширование там должно быть готовое уже какое-то
[23:10:06] neonc: А не начало...
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[23:10:32] lievil: ладно я так спросил.. боюсь смотреть пока )
[23:11:03] neonc: У меня впечатление что данные перезаписываються...
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[23:12:04] xa4a: neonc: гм
[23:12:08] xa4a: может это от tn.write(b"exit\n")
[23:12:18] xa4a: попробуй его перенести к моменту, когда данные прочитаны уже
[23:12:47] neonc: xa4a: В смысле посмотреть что есть в переменной...
[23:13:01] neonc: xa4a: Уже смотрел все тоже самое...
[23:13:21] xa4a: http://dumpz.org/11181/ тут перенеси exit на две строки ниже
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[23:13:59] lievil: кстати
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[23:14:24] lievil: а вот почему синтаксис dict и tuple похож на js ?
[23:14:39] lievil: {"ds":"sdfsfd","zz":[1,2,3,4]}
[23:14:42] lievil: как нить комментировали?
[23:14:47] lievil: не в курсе ?
[23:14:53] xa4a: это удобно
[23:15:01] xa4a: только [1,2,3,4] - не тюпл, а список
[23:15:10] lievil: list да
[23:15:12] lievil: путаю
[23:15:23] lievil: а какая разница между () и [] ?
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[23:15:58] xa4a: фактически - у () нельзя элементы менять
[23:16:13] lievil: а
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[23:16:18] lievil: и скорость доступа другая
[23:16:25] xa4a: формально - разница семантическая. тоесть в [] у тебя набор из неизвестного количества однообразных данных
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[23:17:01] xa4a: которые, в общем-то могут быть даже неупорядоченными
[23:17:17] xa4a: а в () - заранее известное кол-во элементов и у каждого есть своё место-назначение
[23:17:37] xa4a: короче разница семантическая
[23:17:45] neonc is now dnd
[23:17:59] neonc: Я походу понял в чем дело..
[23:18:27] neonc: xa4a: Просто сам список telneta не умещает всех строчек..
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[23:19:05] neonc: А что делать ума не приложу..
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[23:20:13] xa4a: читай кусками
[23:20:28] neonc: xa4a: А как?
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[23:20:54] klichuk: набирай несколько списков по пару метров например
[23:21:19] neonc: Вопрос как?
[23:21:33] xa4a: telnetlib, похоже, не умеет этого
[23:21:40] xa4a: юзай сокеты голые
[23:22:29] neonc: xa4a: Просто если например exit переставить после read_all, тогда программа вешаться начнет...
[23:22:44] xa4a: а, ну да..
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