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[00:26:51] mr.oduvan: http://dumpz.org/11247/
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[00:37:39] jedgar: Привет. Хочу на джанге простейший фотосайт сделать. Наверно есть какие-то полуфабрикаты, где их искать?
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[00:40:02] mr.oduvan: прикольно.. работет :)
[00:40:08] mr.oduvan: первый раз попробовал
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[01:01:02] sevenov: Хм. А где узнать дату истечения срока российского паспорта?
[01:01:22] xa4a: а почему он должен истекать?
[01:01:29] sevenov: о, нашел. На последней странице
[01:01:33] xa4a: в него, наверна, только время от времени фотку надо новую
[01:01:38] xa4a: гм..
[01:01:46] sevenov: от 20 до 45 лет
[01:02:01] sevenov: если уже 45 лет, то до конца жизни
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[01:50:23] feedbot: import class by line http://www.lyabah.com/index.php/2009/08/05/import-class-by-line/
IPython 0.10 released http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/97vj2/ipython_010_released/
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[01:56:45] xa4a: mr.oduvan: line != string
[01:57:13] mr.oduvan: ?
[01:57:43] xa4a: 'twisted.internet.interfaces.IAddress'
[01:57:48] xa4a: это с line имеет мало общего
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[01:58:14] mr.oduvan: всеравно не понял
[01:58:28] mr.oduvan: зачем ему иметь чтото общее?
[01:58:47] mr.oduvan: мы сейчас про код говорим?
[01:58:59] xa4a: import class by line
[01:59:04] xa4a: что есть line?
[01:59:40] mr.oduvan: а... да... щас исправлю
[02:00:06] mr.oduvan: import class by name
[02:00:15] mr.oduvan: так правельнее
[02:00:38] mr.oduvan: да
[02:00:39] mr.oduvan: ?
[02:01:00] mr.oduvan: шото фаербаг стал часто обновлятся
[02:01:29] xa4a: ну.. как-то так..
[02:01:56] mr.oduvan: спасибо
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[09:53:44] _lorien: javascript. Если сделать location.hash = '', то в URL будет знак #, как бы от знака избавиться?
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[09:55:49] sevenov: window.location = window.location.toString().split('#')[0] ? o__O
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[09:58:57] _lorien: location.hash = ''; оставит знак хэша в конце, яхочу знак тоже убрать
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[09:59:32] _lorien: твой способ reload делает
[09:59:41] _lorien: нужно без reload
[09:59:54] sevenov: _lorien, попробуй null поставить, или undefined
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[10:02:39] sevenov: setLocationHash('') ?
[10:03:04] sevenov: а, хм
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[10:05:30] sevenov: _lorien, window.location.href=window.location.href.slice(0, -1);
[10:05:31] sevenov: вот
[10:05:48] _lorien: sevenov, не работает, релоадится
[10:05:59] sevenov: href ?
[10:06:08] sevenov: да ваще магия
[10:06:49] _lorien: location.hash = '' - у меня сразу добавляет хэш в конец
[10:06:55] _lorien: тоже firefox
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[10:10:47] _lorien: Ладно, будем жить с хэшем :D
[10:10:55] _lorien: Хэш тоже человек :D
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[10:11:35] sevenov: Ты меня опередил. Только хотел сказать, что херню хочешь =)
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[10:13:02] cutwater: _lorien, кстати проект твоего itforge открыт? исходники уже где-то лежат?
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[10:43:50] piranha: ага
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[10:46:10] Typhon: piranha: где можно найти много текста типа "emacs пиздат потому что...", "hg пиздат потому что..." чтобы страниц на 20 печатного русского текста вышло :D
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[10:47:04] piranha: эхехех
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[10:47:08] piranha: еще и русского, я так понимаю?
[10:47:26] Typhon: ну да, раз уж не самому писать, то и не переводить чтобы :)
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[10:47:51] piranha: я и так не знал, а так - совсем не знаю ;)
[10:48:43] Typhon: )) ну ладно, придется самому выдумывать какую-нибудь хрень :)
[10:49:37] piranha: ну можешь попробовать поискать и накомпилировать...
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[10:50:05] Typhon: ну да, так наверное и сделаю, плюс мегаэпитетов, почему именно они в качестве средств разработки
[10:50:39] piranha: =)
[10:50:53] piranha: ну хз, использование емакса тобой никак не принуждает это делать другим..
[10:51:17] Typhon: да не, мне в универ
[10:51:25] piranha: ааа =)
[10:51:27] Typhon: там "инструментальные средства" -- 18 страниц
[10:51:32] piranha: ы
[10:51:36] Typhon: заполнять их emacsemcasemcas
[10:51:41] Typhon: как-то не круто :)
[10:51:47] Typhon: еще и опечатался, во
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[10:52:09] Typhon: так что надо хорошего всякого понатаскать )
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[10:55:25] piranha: =)
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[10:57:42] Typhon: вообще слабо представляю, что можно об этом на 20 страниц писать (
[10:57:50] Typhon: менеджмент по маркетингу какой-то
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[11:00:11] sevenov: Typhon, за начни с воды. Что такое cvs, что такое dcvs. Сравни их архитектуру и принципы работы. Далее подробнее, возьми git и hg. Потыкай гит, сравни с hg.
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[11:01:43] piranha: vcs & dvcs
[11:01:58] piranha: пойди у меня стырь историю возникновения
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[11:02:07] Typhon: да, вот тоже дума. из твоего бложика потырить много :)
[11:02:13] Typhon: *думаю
[11:02:30] piranha: ну там из статьи на доу первой можно много выдрать, я думаю
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[11:02:46] piranha: ну и само собой 14 шрифт, полуторный интервал ;)
[11:02:53] Typhon: а про emacs наверное про rope всякие и прочие штуки)
[11:02:57] Typhon: а, ну это само собой :)
[11:03:10] sevenov: Typhon, думаю, это уже страниц на 10. Когда компилишь инфу из инета, эффект херовый. А вот когда сам сидишь и пишешь, что легко можно разогнаться и понаписать куда больше.
[11:04:00] piranha: sevenov: если хорошим языком - это пипецки много времени занимает
[11:04:13] sevenov: ну да )
[11:04:14] piranha: у меня на каждую статью на доу уходило дня два, наверное...
[11:04:57] sevenov: один день на базовый материал, еще пару-тройку на допиливание.
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[11:05:06] piranha: не, у меня не так
[11:05:08] sevenov: Или, если курсач, то одна ночь xD
[11:05:12] piranha: я тупо последовательно пишу )
[11:05:48] sevenov: Я вот так не могу. Что код, что курсовые - всегда сначала все в кучу, а потом причесываю.
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[11:05:59] piranha: =)
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[11:07:26] sevenov: Кстати, я тут еще говнопост родил: http://itnotesforme.blogspot.com/2009/08/couchdb-one-to-many-relationship.html
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[11:08:45] Typhon: ладно, вечером, думаю, займусь )
[11:09:07] piranha: Перейду сразу к задаче и ее решении. - решению
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[11:12:36] piranha: тест
[11:13:05] sevenov: piranha, не ври, там "решению" :D
[11:13:06] sevenov: тест
[11:13:20] piranha: sevenov: тебе скриншот показать? ;)))
[11:14:04] sevenov: piranha, не надо, и признаюсь. Гоменасай :D
[11:14:08] sevenov: *я
[11:14:20] piranha: =)
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[11:15:02] _lorien: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1757/ :)
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[11:15:16] sevenov: пойду спать лучше
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[13:01:12] Stanislav Pugachev: кто нить писал facebook apps с помощью pyfacebook?
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[20:15:43] A2K: если я выпускаю приложение под bsd лицензией, текст лицензии должен быть в каждом файле?
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[20:16:17] piranha: нет
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[20:16:26] piranha: но желательно об этом упоминать в каждом файле
[20:16:42] piranha: ну, что это приложение копирайт тебя под бзд лицензией
[20:16:49] piranha: но можешь и не парицо - я не сильно парюсь )
[20:17:56] A2K: хорошо
[20:18:04] A2K: а статически линковаться с LGPL можно в таком случае?
[20:18:26] piranha: статически - нет
[20:18:30] piranha: динамически - да
[20:18:35] A2K: брр..
[20:18:49] A2K: то есть, с LGPL может линковаться только GPL и LGPL?
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[20:18:52] piranha: да
[20:18:55] A2K: пиздец.
[20:18:56] piranha: стоп
[20:19:09] piranha: я ж говорю, если lgpl - .so, то ты можешь линковаться
[20:19:14] piranha: динамическая либа если
[20:19:26] piranha: а если ты хочешь статически залинковать себе в приложение - то естественно низя
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[20:19:35] piranha: гпл, хрена ж ты хотел... :\
[20:19:37] A2K: мне надо какраз статически
[20:19:55] A2K: /me ненавидит ffmpeg :(
[20:20:18] piranha: хм
[20:20:22] piranha: что-то я перестал быть в этом уверен
[20:20:29] piranha: The main difference between the GPL and the LGPL is that the latter can be linked to (in the case of a library, 'used by') a non-(L)GPLed program
[20:20:35] piranha: линкед ту...
[20:20:54] piranha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGPL
[20:21:02] A2K: нагуглил о lgpl:
* If you statically link to that library (compile in into your
executable), the whole application source must be available on
request, even commercial apps. (this will be a major issue for me!)
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[20:21:08] piranha: сча, сек, переспрошу у шарящего мена
[20:21:12] piranha: ах, таки вот такая вот херня
[20:21:16] A2K: код под BSD будет доступен на гугле
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[20:21:54] piranha: щас, сек
[20:22:40] A2K: и где бы найти текст new BSD форматированый 80 символов по ширине?
[20:22:55] piranha: ага, в твоëм случае всë ок
[20:23:02] piranha: можно так сделать
[20:23:17] A2K: хорошо..
[20:23:30] piranha: A2K: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/byteflow/file/tip/LICENSE.txt
[20:23:32] piranha: :-)
[20:23:35] piranha: только .txt не пиши у себя, наверное %)
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[20:24:13] piranha: dottedmag: если ещё точнее - не обязан выдавать сорцы
dottedmag: Но обязан выдать объектники, чтобы можно было изменить LGPL-ный код, и перелинковать бинарник заново.

[20:24:14] piranha: A2K: ^
[20:24:25] piranha: ;-)
[20:24:30] A2K: ага, спасибо
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[20:24:55] A2K: заказчик уже решил что его пофиг опенсорс или не опенсорс - так что будет BSD
[20:25:13] A2K: ему*
[20:25:38] piranha: =)
[20:25:41] piranha: отлично
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[21:26:53] A2K: можно сделать hg remove так чтобы файлы не удалились*
[21:26:55] A2K: ?
[21:27:59] xa4a: да
[21:28:04] xa4a: -Af кажется
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[21:30:05] xa4a: hg help rm
[21:30:12] xa4a: and -Af can be used to remove files from the next revision without deleting them from the working directory.
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[21:59:19] piranha: в 1.3 появилось спецом, чтоб ты не задумывался об этом
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