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[00:11:36] bobry: sevenov: 1, 2 типа как атрибуты объекта чтоли получаются?
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[00:12:26] sevenov: bobry, ммм, ну да. Объект в контексте js и json - это питоновский dict.
[00:13:07] bobry: тогда в чем разница между { "1": val1, "2": val2 } и { 1: val1, 2: val2}
[00:13:44] xa4a: и ключи становятся строками только после своего хака
[00:13:48] xa4a: юзай demjson
[00:14:16] sevenov: bobry, в том, что число _не_ может быть ни ключем, ни атрибутом объекта.
[00:14:35] sevenov: xa4a, он умеет подтирать то, что сделано не по стандарту?
[00:14:42] bobry: мм, т.е. они возвращают заранее бесполезную структуру?)
[00:14:47] xa4a: он умеет парсить json вконтакта
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[00:15:01] sevenov: bobry, да.
[00:15:06] sevenov: xa4a, Ъ, спасибо.
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[00:16:21] xa4a: sevenov: ну друзей он распарсил там, где simplejson загнулся
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[00:17:04] sevenov: xa4a, ну это единственная какашка. Я вот выше писал вопрос, про re.sub. В общем-то, это и есть решение.
[00:17:41] sevenov: Но хак лучше допилить так, чтобы {0: "value" } заменялось на ["value"]
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[00:18:18] sevenov: xa4a, А как оно по скорости?
[00:18:48] xa4a: хз. там где-то было э..
[00:18:57] xa4a: !g comparison python json libraries
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[00:20:14] sevenov: >Pure python
Думаю, медленнее, чем simplejson + speedups
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[00:21:55] RaD: камрады, а питон встроенный в Oracle есть? убился я на pl/sql писать
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[00:26:46] SV0L0CH: RaD: подозреваю что можно заюзать какойто из модулей джанги... хотя я джангой не пользусь, но про неё читал...
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[00:27:17] RaD: ты не понял
[00:27:23] sevenov: RaD, хм, вроде же есть pl/python
[00:27:29] sevenov: pl'ов много
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[00:27:38] RaD: не слышал
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[00:28:32] RaD: PL/Python - это вариант языка программирования Python используемый при написании триггеров и хранимых процедур популярного сервера БД PostgreSQL.
[00:29:10] RaD: вот если бы найти реализацию питона под oracle java 1.4, ему б цены не было
[00:29:35] RaD: /me ломает переписывать отлаженный pl/sql на oracle java
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[00:30:38] SV0L0CH: sql вообще трудно разрабатывать
[00:31:18] xa4a: RaD: jython?
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[00:32:10] RaD: он врубается в оракловые типы?
[00:32:26] xa4a: dunno
[00:32:37] xa4a: просто услышал java
[00:32:46] xa4a: и решил, что это подойдёт по контексту
[00:33:23] RaD: хм, я б давно заюзал, если бы подошел
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[02:23:49] bobry: офигеть pylint нездоровая вещь, W: 95:PyStorage.put: Used * or ** magic
[02:23:49] bobry: что плохого в * и ** O_O
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[02:56:24] sevenov: bobry, а его разве нельзя "поднастраивать"?
[02:57:01] bobry: я с ним мало общался, не исключено что можно, просто удивляет что по дефолту это bad practice
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[11:18:26] xa4a: bobry: это у них свои внутренние копропротивные стандарты
[11:18:33] xa4a: можешь смело вырубать
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[11:18:47] xa4a: *корпоративные, да
[11:19:39] bobry: очень сурово как то
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[11:32:11] xa4a: /me при перегрузке методов всегда почти юзает *args, **kwrags, чтобы передать их дальше
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[11:51:32] xa4a: гм.. чё может значить, если комп не врубается? :) кулера раскручиваются, винт, судя по звукам тоже крутится нормально, но на экране пусто. не пищит, но cd-привод, кажется бъётся головкой, если его подрубить
[11:52:06] Lolka: и не пищит?
[11:52:12] xa4a: не пищит
[11:52:32] xa4a: интересно, у меня есть спискер?..
[11:52:52] xa4a: снизу на полу нет
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[11:56:05] xa4a: о
[11:56:17] xa4a: уже после включения через несколько секунд тухнет
[11:56:18] xa4a: БП.
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[12:03:36] _lorien: как дешевле всего лазить в Украине в инет? Я имею в виду, включая расходы на покупку, например, usb-модема. И это надо всё на пару-другую недель только
[12:04:50] _lorien: и вот вопрос про лайф - я к нему подключился в киеве, если я поеду в другую точку страны, там надоу будет другую симку покупать или везде одинаково? Например, в России, если я подключился в Омске, то в другом городе у меня будет роуминг и будет уже дороже
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[12:05:13] klichuk: извините что даю вопросы по линуксу, как мне проитеровать по названиям файлов, который мне дает
find -name '*.html' .
при том что есть файлы с пробелом в имени
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[12:05:53] xa4a: _lorien: роуминга нет
[12:06:04] xa4a: тоесть везде одна зона
[12:06:13] pzskc383: klichuk, в кавычки возьми
[12:06:14] _lorien: круто :)
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[12:06:29] klichuk: pzskc383: тебя?
[12:06:42] pzskc383: мой пенис.
[12:06:46] pzskc383: файлы с пробелами
[12:06:48] pzskc383: в кавычки
[12:06:57] xa4a: в инет - я юзаю утел (контракт) 3g, через телефон выхожу. получается 40грн - пол гига, 70 - 1гб на месяц
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[12:07:05] pzskc383: xa4a, брат
[12:07:06] klichuk: вот, теперь ясно что брать, уточнать желательно сразу.
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[12:07:11] klichuk: я не телепат, но спасибо
[12:07:12] xa4a: хз, правда, чо тебе могут сказать по поводу контракта, т.к. паспорт
[12:07:13] _lorien: klichuk, -print0
[12:07:39] pzskc383: xa4a, у тебя видеозвонки тормозят кстати?)
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[12:08:12] xa4a: pzskc383: никогда не пробовал) я вообще звоню не много, а на утел - так вообще)
[12:08:13] _lorien: xa4a, ну это мне получится надо 3g телефон покупать :( Мой щас даже gprs не умеет :D
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[12:10:53] pzskc383: superwiki ругается
[12:11:23] _lorien: а ещё я вчера купил life:) симку, позвонил в Россию и у меня за минуту куда-то все деньги делись с балланса хотя я хз, сколько их было изначально
[12:11:31] _lorien: я вообще не пойму, что там написано на коробочке :D
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[12:13:56] pzskc383: _lorien, лайф это вообще мудацкая связь
[12:14:17] _lorien: на коробке написано
"для активации пакета": 111 - это я сделал
а дальше "перейти на простий life:) без додатковоi оплати: * 141*2# - вот последнее - это что такое?
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[12:15:09] pzskc383: перейти на другой тарифный пакет без дополнительной оплаты
[12:15:13] pzskc383: предлагают
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[12:15:57] _lorien: а, понял, у меня щас вiльний life:)
[12:16:41] xa4a: кстати, у лайфа там какой-то тариф - по 65коп в рф
[12:16:45] xa4a: рекламируют
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[12:30:35] Lolka: было бы прикольно написать скрипт, который бы визуализировал импорты
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[12:32:40] Lolka: или вот еще безумная идея, который бы брал бы директорию, строил бы зависимостри и печатабельную версию всего кода с содержанием и поисковым индексом по коду )
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[12:33:48] xa4a: Lolka: и с документацией ещё?
[12:33:51] xa4a: по докстрингам?
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[12:34:15] pzskc383: как сфинкс?
[12:34:30] Lolka: нет, именно в целях "для почитать"
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[12:34:40] Lolka: к примеру, здесь каждого отправляют "почитать код" джанги
[12:34:44] pzskc383: Lolka, ну можно вимом пройтись
[12:34:52] pzskc383: он крутые html генерит
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[12:34:56] Lolka: нет, само собой, можно еще и погрепать, когда надо
[12:35:08] Lolka: но хочется именно так -- раз и тебе весь код в pdf 6
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[12:35:28] Lolka: и еще чтобы удобно было смотреть откуда куда чего импортится, где чего описано, в общем, с содержанием :)
[12:36:09] Lolka: и потом всем рассказывать "я здесь пока в метро ехал, джангу почитал..."
[12:36:24] pzskc383: *sigh*
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[12:38:44] Lolka: а если такой код еще предварительно пропигментировать, вообще будет мега :) правда цветня печать несколько да, дороговата
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[12:40:50] xa4a: там тебе и раскрашенный код со ссылками на идентификаторах
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[13:27:38] _lorien: у меня трудности с поиском супермаркетов в Киеве :D Или их нету в центре? Еле-еле какой-то комп. магазин возле крещатика нашли :)
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[13:37:28] pzskc383: _lorien, москвич?)
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[13:37:41] _lorien: неа
[13:38:23] pzskc383: в глобусе на хрещатике, или возле бессарабки в переходах где-то был
[13:38:34] pzskc383: давно там не был
[13:39:21] _lorien: у меня просто шок после Омска, омска это город на равнине и он целиком состоит из магазинов :)
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[13:40:13] _lorien: огромные супермаркеты, торговые дома, я даже не знаю, на кой ляд они нужны - но их дохрена :)
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[14:32:41] Александp: кто-гибудь сталкивался с ошибкой No scheme specified при работе с python-openid?
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[14:45:42] Александp: _lorien, уже решил, в нум и было дело
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[17:00:11] feedbot: Snakes on the Web: the future of web development and the role Python can play (by Jacob Kaplan-Moss) http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9hln1/snakes_on_the_web_the_future_of_web_development/
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[17:01:50] Муркт: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/
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[22:59:24] bobry: товарищи, а чем можно datetime из строки парсить с угадыванием формата?
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[22:59:41] огыешсук: date-utils`ами
[23:00:00] klichuk: в 2.5 сам datetime может
[23:00:10] bobry: он вроде без формата никак
[23:00:11] klichuk: угадыванием?
[23:00:33] klichuk: да, никак, пропустил "с угадыванием"
[23:00:45] bobry: date utils вроде ничего, спасибо
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[23:04:36] piranha: bobry: parsedatetime
[23:04:50] bobry: оно чем то лучше dateutil?
[23:04:56] bobry: или просто альтернатива?
[23:05:09] piranha: хз
[23:05:17] piranha: он парсит самые дурные извраты
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[23:05:47] bobry: да не, у меня вроде как извратов не предвидится
[23:05:57] piranha: ну там fifty minutes ago
[23:06:11] bobry: да, я посмотрел) это вообще не нормально
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[23:06:22] bobry: туда еще i10n засунуть)
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[23:07:17] Lolka: ай ай ай, fifty minutes ago парсит? красотища))
[23:09:13] piranha: Lolka: а шо такое?
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[23:11:03] огыешсук: а смысл? Ну вот на веб-странице кто-то написал полгода назад 'fifty minutes ago I'm did it!', и чего оно там напарсит?
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[23:11:19] Lolka: нет, просто клёво, если так близко автор принял к сердцу принял слова "парсить датувремя из строки"
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[23:11:22] Lolka: приятно))
[23:11:36] piranha: огыешсук: это не для того
[23:11:42] piranha: например писать напоминалку
[23:11:44] огыешсук: А, ну для командной строки это более понятно, да.
[23:11:52] piranha: ты ей говоришь: kill chicken in 15 minutes
[23:12:01] piranha: и оно тебе через 15 минут - kill chicken!
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[23:18:18] огыешсук: забавно, работает
[23:18:37] piranha: =)
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[23:20:21] огыешсук: С другой стороны, dateutil.parser понимает форматы типа 12 Aug, а parsedatetime почему-то нет.
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[23:20:57] piranha: тупо
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[23:22:16] огыешсук: причём Aug 12 он таки понимает :o/
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[23:31:37] bobry: блин, вот что мне действительно непонятно это нафига Axiom требует СВОЙ тип для времени о_О
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