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[02:00:11] feedbot: Произвести впечатление любой ценой http://webnewage.org/2009/09/08/evil-impression/
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[02:27:06] bobry: не только
[02:27:20] AlexKiriukha: Только-только
[02:27:26] sevenov: о как
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[03:00:13] feedbot: py.test (trunk) runs on python3 quite well now! http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9i8iv/pytest_trunk_runs_on_python3_quite_well_now/
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[03:00:45] sevenov: а он еще не спит.
[03:01:32] red-agent: Тынц.
[03:01:42] sevenov: Пыщь.
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[03:02:14] red-agent: Бля, как меня уже заебало отсутствие нормальных конвенций.
[03:02:29] red-agent: И когда эти желтомордые уже выучат английский, блядь...
[03:02:36] red-agent: (Я про Ruby)
[03:02:59] sevenov: Хыыыыыыыы =)
[03:03:16] sevenov: red-agent, там в коммьюнити чуть более, чем полностью - пхпшники
[03:03:27] red-agent: Где?
[03:03:38] sevenov: в руби же
[03:04:08] red-agent: Че-то я там не заметил пхпшников.
[03:04:22] red-agent: Блядь, перейти что-ли на спеки, вместо тестов 8\
[03:04:26] sevenov: я не про ruby@cjr
[03:04:30] red-agent: я тоже.
[03:04:50] sevenov: да и в пистоне их сейчас уже слишком много
[03:05:14] sevenov: Я в пример всегда http://code.google.com/p/isida/source/browse/trunk/isida.py привожу ^__^
[03:05:48] red-agent: Ну этих пидорасов везде полно, хуле.
[03:05:54] sevenov: хотя, тут атрофированность мозга посредством c++
[03:06:28] red-agent: st = tZ(lt[2])+u'.'+tZ(lt[1])+u'.'+tZ(lt[0])+u' '+tZ(lt[3])+u':'+tZ(lt[4])+u':'+tZ(lt[5])
[03:06:33] red-agent: Это блядь, конечно, феерично
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[03:07:14] sevenov: red-agent, тут расслабляешься? Нету матокика? )
[03:07:25] red-agent: Угу.
[03:07:35] red-agent: Ну я патч допилил и его закоммитили в tip.
[03:07:43] red-agent: Так что теперь похуй в принципе.
[03:08:30] sevenov: стоп. Твой патч приняли в гаджим?
[03:08:50] red-agent: Ну так да, ты не видел что-ли?
[03:09:00] red-agent: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/5257
[03:10:11] bobry: ого, isida внушает
[03:10:19] sevenov: Changed 8 hours ago by asterix
Thanks for the patch
[03:10:35] sevenov: asterix начал писать Thanks? O__o
[03:10:50] sevenov: Что-то в жизни все меняется
[03:11:33] bobry: товарищи, а когда декоратор является членом класса это круто или нет?)
[03:11:48] sevenov: bobry, эээ. А зачем?
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[03:12:13] bobry: ну вообще нужды особой нет
[03:12:18] red-agent: bobry, Членом?
[03:12:22] bobry: йес
[03:12:24] red-agent: Это всмысле методом?
[03:12:26] bobry: да
[03:12:35] red-agent: Членом бля...
[03:12:53] bobry: awww
[03:12:56] red-agent: bobry, Ну почему бы и нет?
[03:13:12] red-agent: Если этот декоратор должен быть использован только нащадками -- то да.
[03:13:42] bobry: только чем?
[03:13:46] red-agent: Или он может быть instance methodом, если ему нужен какой-то обьект, чтобы оперировать.
[03:13:57] red-agent: bobry, Что чем?
[03:14:17] bobry: че то слово какое то странное после "использован только"
[03:14:38] red-agent: Descendents
[03:14:56] bobry: ah
[03:15:26] sevenov: я вообще ниче не понимаю.
[03:15:33] sevenov: awww, ah o_O
[03:16:15] bobry: ah == аааа == понятно
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[03:16:58] bobry: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=awww&defid=941448
[03:17:06] bobry: уже не важно)
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[03:20:57] red-agent:
[03:17:47] sevenov: хуй
sevenov выгнали из комнаты: фильтруем базар
[03:21:03] sevenov: red-agent, даа
[03:21:06] red-agent: sevenov, Ты, очевидно, забыл включить...
[03:21:08] red-agent: :D
[03:21:11] sevenov: Угу )
[03:21:18] sevenov: /me не нашел, где врубить )
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[03:21:38] sevenov: аа, rejoin
[03:21:40] red-agent: Написано же в тикете
[03:21:42] sevenov: я по connect искал
[03:22:03] red-agent: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/5257#comment:3
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[03:22:45] sevenov: чето оно в их deb репозитории еще не лежит
[03:23:10] red-agent: А там тянется hg tip что-ли?
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[08:06:37] Ляпатяпа: а есть простой способ закешировать шаблоны джанговские в память? memcached работает. моя дохлая впска очень часто валится с ошибкой "слишком много открытых файлов в системе"
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[08:32:03] Ляпатяпа: в принципе, у меня почти все вьюхи проходят через @render_to, там можно сделать выборку из кеша... с темплейттегами наверно посложнее, но решаемо. А главный вопрос - стоит ли игра свеч? Шаблонов меньше полметра, нагрузка 5k хитов в день.
[08:32:21] Ляпатяпа: ну и придется патчить pybb, что не есть гуд
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[08:34:55] Ляпатяпа: тьфу, не memcacheDB, а Tokyo Tyrant
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[09:12:25] _lorien: Ляпатяпа, может, их по крону килять - файлы эти?
[09:12:35] _lorien: или, vps менять :)
[09:12:50] Ляпатяпа: впс менять в планы не входит
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[09:13:30] Ляпатяпа: судя по ошибке - думаю дело не в том что они ЕСТЬ, дело в том, что они часто открываются и сохраняются
[09:13:57] Ляпатяпа: File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/django/db/models/sql/query.py", line 2369, in execute_sql
cursor.execute(sql, params)
OperationalError: could not open relation 1663/16386/16658: Слишком много открытых файлов в системе
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[09:16:51] Большой Лис: ye jnrhjq gj,jkmit
[09:16:54] Большой Лис: йоп
[09:17:03] Большой Лис: есть там, sysctl параметр
[09:17:08] Большой Лис: что бы увеличить это число
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fs.file-nr = 448 0 262144
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[11:11:48] unk2k: Вопрос по django.
В Форма (ModelForm) делаю def clena(..):
мне нужно в self.cleaned_data вставить свою новые данные, как мне это сделать ?
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[11:13:01] unk2k: 2. какая лучшая замена pdb ?
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[11:13:55] RaD: 1. return yours_cleaned_data
[11:14:04] RaD: 2. мозг
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[11:16:19] GrimbleGromble: 1)
self.cleaned_data[key] = val
return self.cleaned_data ?
[11:16:22] _lorien: 2. print
[11:17:06] _lorien: подскажите где посмотреть цены на билеты украинской железной дороги?
[11:17:47] unk2k: _lorien, 2. серьезно.
[11:17:51] unk2k: _lorien, yandex.ua
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[11:18:15] tilarids: _lorien, pz.gov.ua
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[11:18:52] tilarids: точнее, http://pz.gov.ua/rezerv/
[11:19:49] tilarids: _lorien, если оно не заработает, вот тут можно попробовать еще - http://www.pz.gov.ua/_q/exprt.php?lid=1&mid=31
[11:20:08] _lorien: tilarids, спасибо, ага, то что надо вроде б
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[11:23:25] _lorien: ууу, правда, поездом сильно дешевле ехать, чем самолётом
[11:23:44] _lorien: до симферополя поездом 100 гривн, самолётом 500
[11:23:57] tilarids: _lorien, это тебя так удивляет? ;)
[11:24:02] огыешсук: А в штаты кто-либо летал? Там ноутбуки правда досматривают?
[11:24:18] _lorien: например в россии, доехать от омска до москвы примерно одинаковая стоимость )
[11:24:25] tilarids: советую поездом, если сможешь найти хороший поезд с новыми вагонами
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[11:24:41] _lorien: 15 часов ехать :-/
[11:24:48] _lorien: это ж убийство мозга :)
[11:25:03] tilarids: _lorien, убийство мозга - во Владивосток поездом
[11:25:14] tilarids: или хотя бы в Киргизстан
[11:25:24] _lorien: это уже запущенный мазохизм ))
[11:25:43] огыешсук: _lorien: а в штаты почти столько же *лететь* :o(
[11:25:58] огыешсук: Причём без единой розетки. :o(((
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[11:26:18] _lorien: мне в москву понравилось лететь - я там с девочкой хорошей познакомился )
[11:26:25] _lorien: и даже не заметил, как три часа пролетело
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[11:37:40] Special K: привет, какие существуют методоы автоматизации создания граней? я попробовал PolyFill, но что-то не очень красивые фигуры получаются, а фигня какая-то..
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[11:39:12] Special K: автоматизации создания граней при существовующем наборе вершин имеется ввиду
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[11:57:45] unk2k: Вопрос.
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[11:58:05] _lorien: нуу, не обязательно на везение полагаться, можно в аэропорту познакомиться, потом поменяться местами :)
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[11:59:05] unk2k: В Моеди Таблици я сделал
def save(self):
self.client_id = 1
super(MyModel, self).save()
Как сделать что бы этот экшан срабатывал только на insert а на update не срабатывал ?
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[12:02:25] unk2k: O_o ?
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[12:13:54] sevenov: unk2k,
if self.id is not None:
...
?
[12:14:08] unk2k: не
[12:14:11] sevenov: о_О
[12:14:12] sevenov: как не?
[12:14:25] unk2k: if self.id is None or self.id is '':
[12:14:34] sevenov: чо?
[12:14:43] sevenov: id - int
[12:14:52] sevenov: он никогда не будет строкой, ты че.
[12:14:59] unk2k: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/models/instances/#how-django-knows-to-update-vs-insert
[12:15:13] unk2k: =) будет
[12:15:21] unk2k: на той стадии будет
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[12:16:45] sevenov: unk2k, и где там про строку написано?
[12:17:36] unk2k: a value other than None or the empty string
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[12:18:21] cutwater: тогда просто if self.id
[12:18:25] Большой Лис: if not self.id
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[12:18:45] sevenov: а, ёпт. PK же не обязательно id, ну да.
[12:19:27] unk2k: sevenov, cutwater, спасибо.
[12:19:39] unk2k: Большой Лис, спасибо
[12:20:06] cutwater: from brain import *
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[12:22:32] Большой Лис: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/fail-owned-lazy-escalator-fail.jpg
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[12:23:31] Мозгошредер is now Вероятность получения Вами цензурного и корректного ответа зависит от тупости Вашего вопроса обратно пропорционально
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[12:28:40] red-agent: Хм.
[12:28:56] red-agent: Мне нужно из функции вытянуть имена и значения всех keyword arguments.
[12:29:17] sevenov: Большой Лис, ггг, у нас на Ваське так частенько бывает :))
[12:29:58] Большой Лис: sevenov, а шо такое "Васька"?
[12:30:15] sevenov: Васильевский остров.
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[12:32:31] StormChild: red-agent: your_function.func_code.co_varnames
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[12:32:54] red-agent: Это отдаст имена вообще всех.
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[12:33:07] red-agent: inspect.getargspec более релевантный.
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[12:35:25] red-agent: Changed in version 2.6: Returns a named tuple ArgSpec(args, varargs, keywords, defaults).
[12:35:29] red-agent: /me грязно выругался
[12:35:46] red-agent: Хочу под 2.5 такое.
[12:36:03] StormChild: а в 2.5 что возвращает?
[12:36:12] red-agent: Просто tuple
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[12:52:37] _lorien: Никто мопед не продаёт случайно бушный? )
[12:52:44] _lorien: чё-то меня ломает 645гривн платить за новый
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[12:53:26] Большой Лис: _lorien, ты надолго что ли в киев?
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[12:53:37] xa4a: /me только что ехал в троллейбусе и видел чувака на мопеде
[12:53:40] xa4a: старом таком..
[12:53:47] xa4a: как велосипед, с маленьким моторчиком
[12:53:52] _lorien: Большой Лис, на пару недель, но мне надо работать :)
[12:53:52] xa4a: он ехал до горки, а там - пешком
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[14:16:54] red-agent: /me сейчас накатал ~400 строк на python, после длительного ковыряния ruby
[14:17:06] red-agent: И понял, что python просасывает во многих местах, по сравнению с ruby =(
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[14:21:25] wiz: и что?
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[14:21:34] wiz: ruby тоже много где просасывает
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[14:22:18] red-agent: Есть такое. Но ruby больше просасывает в плане чистоты ядра языка.
[14:22:19] red-agent: Засран.
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[14:24:24] red-agent: Единственная фича, которая иногда радует, а иногда раздражает до изнеможения -- это implicit return функций last evaluated expressionом.
[14:24:31] Большой Лис: вот доживёт руби до 2.6 версии
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[14:42:22] xa4a: /me вот подумал..
[14:42:28] xa4a: вот есть urls.py
[14:42:37] xa4a: и вьюхи, в которые оттуда кверисеты пихают
[14:42:43] xa4a: тот же object_list
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[14:43:14] xa4a: так вот этот кверисет ведь создаётся один раз при импорте urls.py
[14:43:19] xa4a: потом один раз эвалюэйтится
[14:43:22] xa4a: и хуяк?
[14:43:27] xa4a: на всю жизнь - один кверисет?
[14:43:33] xa4a: тоесть если в бд данные обновятся?
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[14:44:41] wiz: он queryset.clone делает
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[14:45:24] xa4a: во как..
[14:45:37] xa4a: а если кверисет уже выбран из бд, то таки хуяк:
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[14:46:13] wiz: нет
[14:46:35] AlexKiriukha: Кстати, в догонку. А если этот queryset нужно построить с параметром из request (user)? Тогда прощай generic views?
[14:46:36] xa4a: /me пошёл просматривать исходники
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[14:47:16] wiz: AlexKiriukha, делаешь вид-враппер и return generic(request, ...)
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[14:47:26] slav0nic: AlexKiriukha, написать свою вьюху и вернуть object_list можно
[14:47:53] AlexKiriukha: Понял. Значит делал правильно :-) Просто хотелось вообще без вьюхи.
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[14:48:21] xa4a: /me чего-то уже блевать хочет от всяких extra_context в urls.py
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[14:48:47] xa4a: лучше таки в 1-2 строки свою вьюху, но чтобы урлы чище читались
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[15:29:17] Ляпатяпа: $ logout
-bash: fork: Невозможно выделить память
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[15:31:28] sevenov: Блин, это только у меня у джанги авторизация дохнет после перезапуска дебаг-сервера?
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[15:39:12] Большой Лис: :D
[15:40:07] xa4a: ну чо
[15:40:18] xa4a: у меня за то, по ходу, в шелле один язык, а в runserver - другой
[15:40:24] xa4a: в get_language
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[17:02:21] sober: вопрос, правильно ли я понимаю, что уникальность объекта в сете определяет его hash() ?
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[17:15:15] огыешсук: Разве? По моему, они там просто сортируются.
[17:15:57] AlexKiriukha: Хм. Сет по идее же неупорядочен
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[17:16:38] огыешсук: Да?
In [1]: a=set([2,4,1,77,3])

In [2]: a
Out[2]: set([1, 2, 3, 4, 77])

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[17:17:33] AlexKiriukha: Значит у меня неправильные идеи
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[17:17:57] AlexKiriukha: In [10]: set?
Type: type
Base Class: <type 'type'>
String Form: <type 'set'>
Namespace: Python builtin
Docstring:
set(iterable) --> set objectIn [10]: set?
Type: type
Base Class: <type 'type'>
String Form: <type 'set'>
Namespace: Python builtin
Docstring:
set(iterable) --> set object

Build an unordered collection of unique elements.

Build an unordered collection of unique elements.
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[17:18:17] sevenov: http://g-laurent.blogspot.com/2009/09/windows-vista7-smb20-negotiate-protocol.html
[17:18:26] AlexKiriukha: Т.е. сортированы они могут быть в частном случае
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[17:18:56] AlexKiriukha: sevenov: а да, весело. Как может ошибка в службе уложить всю систему? Defective by design?
[17:19:15] sevenov: AlexKiriukha, defective by ms.
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[17:19:44] AlexKiriukha: sevenov: т.е. Вы таки настаиваете, что миллионы пользователей, которым нужно работать...
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[17:20:39] sevenov: я таки говорю, что мс давно кое как плетется, делает все тяп-ляп и продает мартышкам.
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[17:23:43] AlexKiriukha: return hash(self.line) ^ hash(self.column) \
hash(self.message)
тут ничего не пропущено?
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[17:24:26] sober: забыл символ ^
[17:25:26] sober: подозреваю, что необходимо переопределить __eq__()
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[17:26:36] sevenov: sober, а почему у тебя нет __eq__ и __cmp__ ?
[17:26:43] sevenov: *или
[17:27:06] sevenov: а, бля. Медленно пишу что-то о_О
[17:27:09] sevenov: /me ушел спать
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[17:27:29] sober: точно ... сорри
[17:27:35] sober: спасибо
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[20:45:44] RaD@home: re
[20:45:53] RaD@home: камрады, кто с wsdl работал?
[20:46:06] RaD@home: /me смотрит на wsdl
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[20:46:56] RaD@home: есть задача, есть некий сервис, который может отдавать wsdl, рассматривается возможность сделать приложение на django, которое прочитает wsdl и построит клиентский интерфейс по нему
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[22:20:08] feedbot: PEP 3145 -- Asynchronous I/O For subprocess.Popen http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9ija8/pep_3145_asynchronous_io_for_subprocesspopen/
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[23:34:23] RaD is now xa
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[23:36:14] Большой Лис is now xa
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[23:36:49] slav0nic is now online
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[23:38:07] cutwater is now online
[23:38:34] erraen is now online
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[23:38:49] Мозгошредер is now away
[23:39:23] RaD is now xa
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[23:41:21] _lorien is now online
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[23:42:58] Большой Лис is now away
[23:42:59] slav0nic is now offline
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[23:45:05] _lorien is now online
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[23:47:34] _lorien is now online
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[23:49:24] RaD is now xa
[23:50:23] mazvv is now xa
[23:52:58] Большой Лис is now xa
[23:53:36] erraen is now online
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