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[03:41:57] : _lorien установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me | Ещё рано использовать py3k
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[11:44:14] tilarids_: вот если бы кто-то взял и перемерял
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[11:55:49] mr.oduvan: что лучше mod_python или Fast CGI ?
[11:55:51] wiz: ну фиииг знает.... менять всю нажористость джанги на некоторые маргинальные улучшения скорости...
[11:55:58] wiz: mr.oduvan, mod_wsgi
[11:55:58] mr.oduvan: для Django
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[11:59:10] mr.oduvan: "Deploying Django with Apache and mod_wsgi is the recommended way to get Django into production." - дкую
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[12:00:45] wiz: btw, как там mod_wsgi для nginx?
[12:01:38] sevenov: wiz, запилили же.
[12:01:43] sevenov: бля
[12:01:48] sevenov: s/же//
[12:02:05] sevenov: Плахой двач, плахой. Фу-фу.
[12:02:44] wiz: а что же так?
[12:03:00] wiz: афтар ниасилил?
[12:03:13] sevenov: Вся соль в nginx
[12:03:26] sevenov: хотя хз, надо проверить
[12:03:53] wiz: блокируется целиком чтоль на время запроса?
[12:04:27] sevenov: что-то типа того, да. Не уверен, но разработку вроде бы забросили. Причем давно.
[12:04:58] wiz: эхх
[12:05:14] wiz: а я так ждал что опач станет ненужен
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[12:05:42] sevenov: wiz, дык эта, лайти + черрипай.
[12:05:55] wiz: через fcgi?
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[12:06:36] wiz: от лайти больно сильно рубями пахнет
[12:07:33] slav0nic: да ну я у автора lighttpd спрашивал, будет ли mod_wsgi - сказали что нет, ибо это не соответсвует философии асинхронного вебсервака, оно и понятно
[12:07:40] Большой Лис: черипай и http прокси
[12:07:42] Большой Лис: любой
[12:07:46] Большой Лис: хоть лайти хоть нгинкс
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[12:08:58] wiz: reverse ж
[12:09:17] sevenov: Большой Лис, привет, ага.
[12:09:49] mr.oduvan: Большой Лис, http proxy - зачем?
[12:09:54] mr.oduvan: для статики?
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[12:11:29] wiz: кстати, а есть какое-нибудь интересное FS для распределённого надёжного хранения файлов?
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[12:12:12] Большой Лис: угу, называется amazon s3
[12:12:13] Большой Лис: :))
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[12:13:03] wiz: оно тормозное
[12:13:11] wiz: и дорогое
[12:13:14] wiz: безмерно
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[12:15:28] wiz: вот glusterfs тут 2.0 вышел с тех пор как я его в прошлый раз трогал... кто-нибудь пробовал?
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[12:17:45] nmk: wiz: а как ты с монги отдаешь? там недавно nginx модуль появился для gridfs, а вообще имхо отдача статитики из gridfs это тупо кешировать на диск и отдавать как файл. потом как-то грамотно грохать кэши.
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[12:18:21] wiz: вот этим модулем
[12:18:47] wiz: заманался собирать (=
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[12:19:21] nmk: ну я его не пробовал, но я бы стал делать по второму пути, который описал. типа одно большое хранилище (распределенное?) на монго и с несколько фронтендов на отдачу из бд
[12:19:27] wiz: он ещё сырой совсем - на каждый запрос соединение открывает и всё такое.
[12:19:49] sevenov: монго вообще сырой
[12:20:03] nmk: да, там писал чувак в группе. он еще вроде сказал, что не будет делать что-то типа X-Accel-Redirect
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[12:20:29] wiz: не, сам монго нормальный.
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[12:20:32] sevenov: Гонял тесты. Из-за любви моего ноута к внезапным ребутам, каждый раз терял данные.
[12:20:47] sevenov: Для продакшена он еще не готов.
[12:20:56] wiz: говорят его уже много лет юзают
[12:21:00] wiz: в т.ч. и для файлов
[12:21:18] wiz: видимо это надо репликацию делать чтобы не терялось
[12:21:21] nmk: sevenov: всегда ж можно куда-нибудь его с реплицировать. хотя бы для бэкапов.
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[12:21:57] sevenov: ну да + у него хорошая реализайция master-master.
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[12:22:32] nmk: эээ
[12:22:35] nmk: а где там master-master?
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[12:23:09] sevenov: nmk, читни.
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[12:23:22] nmk: Generally, we recommend one does not use the database in a master-master mode.
[12:23:29] sevenov: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Master+Master+Replication
[12:23:38] nmk: Master master usage has not been tested and should be considered experimental.
[12:23:51] nmk: я б не стал :)
[12:24:05] wiz: там не м-м есть
[12:24:18] wiz: м-с, но с меняющимися ролями на случай падежа
[12:24:30] nmk: там есть replica pairs
[12:24:39] sevenov: а, да.
[12:25:02] wiz: а если ещё поверх них шардинг сделать....
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[12:25:29] nmk: меня правда убило, что для gridfsа файлы надо уникально называть. ну, точнее можно и не уникально назвать, но там почти все заточено на уникальность имен файлов
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[12:27:35] wiz: можно и не называть, если по _id обращаться
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[12:28:13] nmk: да. можно. но допустим mongofiles ты уже потом не запустишь.
[12:29:01] nmk: т.е. запустишь конечно. но он оперирует именами файлов.
[12:29:34] wiz: ну он и не нужен в общем-то (:
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[12:31:00] nmk: ну как я понял там много чего так завязано. мне то вообще gridfs пока не нужен. но у меня другая проблема с монгой. у меня он запущен на 32х битной тачке и мне тупо остается ждать пока там разрастеться база. :) но это обещают еще только через полгода, поэтому я не думаю пока об этом.
[12:32:11] nmk: для файлов еще можно посмотреть на hypertable
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[13:20:16] feedbot: Язык программирования Python / Tornado Web Server http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/69346/
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[13:23:31] wiz: мде... какой фреймворк, такой и пост с коментами...
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[13:28:29] sevenov: wiz, какое коммьюнити, такой и пост с комментами.
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[13:30:46] nmk: а не friendfeed в свое время предлагал "неебаца" идею хранения key-value в реляционных бд?
[13:31:57] sevenov: http://github.com/facebook/tornado/blob/master/tornado/auth.py а вот это - охуенно полезная штука.
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[13:35:06] nmk: мне интересно еще почему web.py медленее чем джанга в hello world
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[13:36:18] sevenov: может быть, потому что erb.py слишком прост?
[13:36:20] sevenov: *web
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[13:36:28] sevenov: о, гы. erb ^_^
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[13:40:56] slav0nic: или автор тестов провтыкал и не вырубил дебаг)
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[13:42:36] nmk: а вообще я че-т не врублися в non-blocking web server
[13:43:04] slav0nic: интересно чё они там с базой делают
[13:43:12] slav0nic: или всё в кеше
[13:43:30] sevenov: http://github.com/facebook/tornado/blob/master/tornado/database.py
[13:43:37] sevenov: все просто и гениально xD
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[13:46:13] tilarids_: ух-ты
[13:46:57] sevenov: wiz, кста, то что тебе нужно же: http://github.com/facebook/tornado/blob/f6798502befee7fa5c66696dac31b443bbb5a3ff/tornado/s3server.py
[13:47:22] sevenov: s3-like сторедж сервер на локальных файлах.
[13:47:51] wiz: да я поглядел уже... тормозище имх
[13:48:21] wiz: проще по сети смонтировать куда надо и всё
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[13:49:03] sevenov: wiz, ну это от цели уж зависит. Я же не знаю, для чего тебе )
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[13:50:05] wiz: чтобы быстро, много и надёжно
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[13:50:45] sevenov: тогда пиши сам, на пхп.
[13:50:55] sevenov: глобальный и надежный
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[13:51:08] nmk: wiz, так а чем тебе идея центрального хранилища и нескольких фронтендов со статикой не нравится? правда надо придумать как hot-статику отдавать, а так вроде норм все.
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[13:52:23] wiz: центральное хранилище это что?
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[13:52:33] nmk: а че. нормальный фреймворк то вроде. static_url есть, xsrf есть. ;)
[13:52:44] wiz: надо минимум 2 узла с авторепликацией
[13:52:44] nmk: wiz: да что угодно. хоть одна тачка с рейдом.
[13:53:07] wiz: 1 тачку нельзя - сдохнет и ппц.
[13:53:16] wiz: у меня тут ниибаца датацентр (ж
[13:53:35] nmk: ну бля. любую распредленную файловую систему. хадуповскую, люстру
[13:53:45] wiz: вооот
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[13:54:03] nmk: надо просто брать и пробовать :)
[13:54:12] wiz: люстра мне чем-то не понравилась сильно...
[13:54:55] sevenov: /me сидит, изучает код.
[13:55:03] sevenov: Он охуенен и красив.
[13:55:06] slav0nic: )
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[13:55:47] nmk: не, хороший фреймворк то
[13:55:49] wiz: у торнады?
[13:56:02] nmk: да
[13:56:05] sevenov:
### Python code
def add(x, y):
return x + y
template.execute(add=add)

### The template
{{ add(1, 2) }}
[13:56:21] sevenov: и тут внезапно джанга снова причмокивает
[13:56:45] nmk: wiz: погляди на hypertable, вроде в нем можно было хранить файлы. но он поверх какой-то кластерной фс. например хадуповской. и с биндингами там тяжело будет, через thrift
[13:57:00] wiz: уже страшно
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[13:58:52] sevenov: опа.
{{ _("Username") }}
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[13:58:55] sevenov: тоже Ъ
[13:59:08] nmk: в джинже также :)
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[13:59:50] sevenov: да с джинжой все понятно, она заебата )
[14:00:00] sevenov: я сейчас с джангой сравниваю
[14:00:10] sevenov:
{% for entry in entries %}
{{ modules.Entry(entry) }}
{% end %}
[14:00:13] sevenov: тоже Ъ
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[14:00:25] nmk: а.. ну я как слез с её темплейтов, так у меня пару дней какое-то счастье в голове крутилось
[14:00:55] sevenov: надо вообще с джанги слезать
[14:01:28] nmk: не знаю. мне она нравится.
[14:02:20] wiz: фига... модуль ядра для fuse требует ruby
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[14:02:28] wiz: сраная фря катится в сраное ruby
[14:02:48] wiz: что ж мне так вечно невезёт с ОС...
[14:03:23] sevenov: wiz, o_O
[14:03:26] sevenov: м?
[14:03:31] sevenov: какэтотак?
[14:03:51] wiz: Kernel module for fuse
B-deps: fusefs-libs-2.7.4 libiconv-1.11_1 pkg-config-0.23_1 ruby-1.8.7.160,1 ruby18-deplate-0.8.5
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[14:06:45] nmk: http://top.rbc.ru/economics/11/09/2009/328624.shtml
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[14:09:51] wiz: алкоголь не нужен
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[14:10:32] nmk: а мне идея по 0.33 нравится. один хрен пива не пью.
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[14:13:04] slav0nic: disqus юзал кто для каментов?
[14:14:25] nmk: а че не js-kit ?
[14:14:55] xa4a: гос. монополия с выносом магазинов за город -- круто.
[14:15:09] wiz: за городом, на глубине 14м
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[14:15:48] wiz: ещё бы курево пофиксить и вообще хорошо будет
[14:16:36] xa4a: на всё торонто два магазина есть с алкоголем -- гос. и за городом. видел милейшую картину - грязные панки в метро сидят на полу, пьют лимонад
[14:16:54] tilarids_: slav0nic: я когда-то пробовал, да забил
[14:17:51] slav0nic: tilarids_, у меня есть 2 типа юзеров - анонимус и зареганый, хотелось бы чтоб зареганому выводилась только форма для поста каменты (без ввода логина и тп), я так понимаю эта хрень не могёт такое?
[14:18:16] tilarids_: slav0nic: ненене, технически я не подкован, я просто знаю, что это и пытался юзать
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[14:19:14] wiz: мне кажется или этот торнадо way too low-level ?
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[14:20:24] sevenov: slav0nic, умеет. На erlang.dmitriid.com так.
[14:21:03] sevenov: slav0nic, http://sevenov.info/static/uploads/d.png типа такого?
[14:21:11] slav0nic: sevenov, авторизирован на твоём сайте или в disqus?
[14:21:18] sevenov: в дискусе
[14:21:32] sevenov: а, ты хочешь на _своем_?
[14:21:35] slav0nic: а мне надо если на сайте
[14:21:36] slav0nic: да
[14:21:47] sevenov: хм. Ну вряд ли.
[14:22:14] slav0nic: threadedcomments вроде тож не могут мешать каменты анонимусов и зареганых
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[14:45:51] gigimon: кто-нибудь смотрел? http://www.tornadoweb.org/documentation
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[14:46:29] sevenov: gigimon, я вот сижу и фапаю.
[14:46:45] gigimon: sevenov: он чисто как веб сервер? или как
[14:46:55] gigimon: или для отдачи питон-приложений?
[14:47:08] gigimon: я в плане с джангой wsgi он сращивается?
[14:47:21] sevenov: Это очень аккуратный комбаин.
[14:47:49] gigimon: а то доку тоже быстро проглянул, и урлы, и темплейты

[14:48:29] sevenov: там httpserver отдельным модулем.
[14:48:50] sevenov: и wsgi.py
[14:48:59] gigimon: а то производительность у него вроде очень даже
[14:49:13] sevenov: ящитаю, это безсмысленно
[14:49:18] sevenov: джанга синхронная же.
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[14:49:38] gigimon: любви у них не будет?)
[14:49:46] sevenov: и не надо.
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[14:50:47] tilarids_: gigimon: производительность же никто не мерял :)
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[14:51:52] sevenov: просто ab с -n 10000
[14:52:01] sevenov: это я за тест не считаю.
[14:52:11] Ляпатяпа: gigimon: что там с сервером то?
[14:52:29] gigimon: Ляпатяпа: да ничего, пока никто и ничего... просто это не будет быстро
[14:52:41] gigimon: 1-3 недели, если найти челвоеков)
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[14:52:52] gigimon: просто доставить надо будет в мск
[14:53:42] Ляпатяпа: а сколько человек планируется на него?
[14:55:23] gigimon: 4-5 со мной
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[14:55:26] gigimon: как раз бы было
[14:55:48] Ляпатяпа: и на 5 человек делится только плата за коло?
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[15:05:49] sevenov: А чати в демках торнадо клёви.
[15:07:45] gigimon: Ляпатяпа: ну примерно да, мне крапаль (баксов по 5) чтоб если что заменить узлы ну или апгрейд
[15:07:49] gigimon: окупить )
[15:08:02] gigimon: баксов 20-30 всего
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[15:17:08] sevenov: Опа. У гугла, оказывается, трушная авторизация. Не тупо опенид, а еще юзер-панельку доставляет в придачу.
[15:18:13] sevenov: а, не. Я вру.
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[16:26:03] Typhon: mishok13: http://www.dumpz.org/12283/ не понимаю наверное чего-то: если у функции есть __repr__ почему не он зовется при repr() ?
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[16:29:28] sevenov: Typhon, http://www.dumpz.org/12284/ нормально же
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[16:30:08] mishok13: потому что для функций скорее всего shortcut
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[16:30:32] Typhon: mishok13: ну я в сорцы глянул, там как понял, жестко прописано, что делать
[16:31:03] Typhon: sevenov: я там заменил ж на 42, а он при repr() не упал, а нормально отработал, сравни со своим объектом, например
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[16:32:16] Typhon: mishok13: а еще, "op->func_code = code;" у codeobject есть co_varnames, а если я делаю op->func_code->co_varnames -- ничего не выходит, что я упустить мог, не подскажешь? :)
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[16:33:59] mishok13: я что-то не понимаю нахрена ты полез в эти подробности :)
[16:34:55] Typhon: mishok13: ну вообще я хочу чтобы repr у функции был <function f(x,y) at 0x011BED30>
[16:35:05] Typhon: то есть показывались co_varnames как раз
[16:35:10] Typhon: мелочь, а приятно
[16:35:18] Typhon: на верхнем уровне не получилось сделать
[16:35:25] Typhon: решил глянуть, что внутри :)
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[16:36:41] mishok13: я бы с удоволствием покопался в этом, но мне почему то кажется, что reprlib + inspect должно хватить с головой
[16:37:40] Typhon: !g reprlib
[16:37:56] Typhon: о, спасибо за reprlib не слышал :)
[16:38:25] Typhon: а inspect чтобы вернуть аргументы или чего-то не знаю еще?
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[16:39:03] Typhon: а кстати, все-таки, нет сходу идей, почему в func_code на C уровне нет co_varnames, хотя по идея должны быть (ну я так понимаю, что должны :) )
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[16:41:01] Typhon: о, reprlib еще и в стандартном 3.1, здорово.
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[16:57:17] pzskc383: http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=23373
[16:57:23] pzskc383: свежак, да?
[16:58:12] mishok13: уже нет
[16:58:23] mishok13: ТЫ ОПОЗДАЛ НА 13 ЧАСОВ
[16:58:33] AlexKiriukha: :-D
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[16:59:16] mishok13: Typhon, нет, ничего даже на ум не приходит
[16:59:25] mishok13: кроме того, что тебе явно нечего делать :)
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[16:59:30] Typhon: :)
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[16:59:35] Typhon: print(aRepr.repr(f))
function f(x, y, z=1) at 0xb55d20
[16:59:38] Typhon: ну круто ж?
[16:59:46] Typhon: reprlib хватило, да, жаль в 2.6 нет
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[17:11:02] sevenov: я что-то пропустил? http://bytebucket.org/
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[18:14:27] Typhon: mishok13: а разгадка проста оказалась -- (PyCodeObject *) op->func_code нужно ж сделать, ибо там PyObject *code и без каста не заработает, а я сразу тупанул (
[18:15:31] Typhon: зато http://www.dumpz.org/12288/ теперь можно, надо просто дотюнинговать :)
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[19:34:31] sevenov: mr.oduvan, hg strip?
[19:34:34] Ляпатяпа: точно знаю что можно склонироваться до определенной ревизии
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[19:36:22] mr.oduvan: sevenov, это типа какогото плагина? т.к. у меня такой комманды нет
[19:36:32] mr.oduvan: ?
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[19:37:03] sevenov: mr.oduvan, да, mq extension
[19:37:11] sevenov: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Strip
[19:37:15] sevenov: читни, может оно.
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[20:08:43] slav0nic: mr.oduvan, hg clone --rev
[20:09:23] mr.oduvan: нет.. мне надо не определенной ревизии
[20:09:30] mr.oduvan: а к примеру... только какойто папки
[20:09:32] mr.oduvan: и все
[20:09:49] Ляпатяпа: имхо хг об этом не должен заботится
[20:10:02] Ляпатяпа: тупо новый репозитарий создай
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[20:10:52] mr.oduvan: просто возможно есть такая функция
[20:11:04] mr.oduvan: ну чтоб люди с одними правами види все
[20:11:08] mr.oduvan: с другими только часть
[20:11:16] mr.oduvan: понимаете?
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[20:18:26] sevenov: mr.oduvan, хм, похоже ты говоришь про субрепозитории.
[20:18:43] sevenov: в hg их вроде бы нет. Не уверен, приняли ли их или нет.
[20:18:59] mr.oduvan: точно... субрепозитарий звучит круче
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[20:20:36] sevenov: mr.oduvan, в таком случае, тебе нужен гит.
[20:21:17] mr.oduvan: нее... ну из-за этой заморочки лишатся своего любимого меркуриала
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[20:21:32] mr.oduvan: но вссеравно спасибо
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[20:33:47] sevenov: >Класс Object наследуется от Чака Норриса
[20:33:49] sevenov: ггг
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[20:38:29] mr.oduvan: ))
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