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[00:01:55] sevenov: эх, славоник ушел. Хотел написать, что торнадо хорошая штука :D
[00:03:00] pzskc383: sevenov, тролололо хочется?
[00:03:16] sevenov: pzskc383, ну (
[00:03:18] pzskc383: пообосновывай лучше чем ООП плохо
[00:03:38] sevenov: piranha, xD
[00:03:42] sevenov: едаа
[00:04:03] piranha: pzskc383: медленно и длинно
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[00:04:16] sevenov: piranha, ну медленно так-то не аргумент.
[00:04:43] sevenov: я бы сказал, это не добавляет скорости в разработке, при этом усложняет архитектуру
[00:04:51] sevenov: в смысле, там, где не нужно
[00:05:06] sevenov: *s/, т/ т/
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[00:05:22] sevenov: кстати, как в том же торнадо
[00:05:29] sevenov: на каждый пук по хендлеру
[00:05:38] sevenov: в виде класса с POST или GET
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[00:06:39] pzskc383: конечно
[00:06:48] pzskc383: мне просто нужно было чем-то себя занять пока суп греется
[00:07:12] piranha: ye lf
[00:07:14] piranha: ну да
[00:08:17] sevenov: :-)
[00:08:23] sevenov: pzskc383, тоже хочется трололо?
[00:08:58] pzskc383: ну я не хочу вступать в дискуссию, но "на каждый пук по хендлеру" - это необязательно ООП
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[11:23:39] RaD: как можно многострочно записать длинный регэксп
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[11:25:13] piranha: re.MULTILINE
[11:25:16] StormChild: ""+ \
"" + \
.....
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[11:25:24] mishok13: a = re.compile(r"""\d + # the integral part
\. # the decimal point
\d * # some fractional digits""", re.X)

[11:25:27] piranha: та ну фу
[11:25:36] piranha: \ юзать - это ваще сакс
[11:25:38] RaD: mishok13: то что надо, пасиб
[11:25:59] RaD: re.X что значит?
[11:26:09] piranha: re.MULTILINE
[11:26:17] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/library/re.html#re.X
[11:26:26] piranha: :)
[11:26:27] mishok13: надо читать доки перед вопросом
[11:26:30] mishok13: в топике указано
[11:26:33] RaD: осознал!
[11:26:50] RaD: piranha: у меня не мультистрока, mishok13 грамотно подсказал
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[11:27:05] mishok13: piranha, внимательнее вопрос прочитай
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[11:30:14] piranha: брр
[11:30:35] piranha: вербоз, да
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[11:30:56] piranha: бтв, можно ж было просто делать

re.compile(r"test" # one
r"nax" # two)
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[11:31:06] piranha: упс, со скобкой я загнался ;)
[11:31:09] piranha: ну да понятно
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[11:36:26] RaD: /me пытается написать парсер Intel HEX, чтобы получать дерево кода
[11:37:03] RaD: напомните функцию для преобразования hex 'AB' в число
[11:37:13] StormChild: int('', 16) ?
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[11:37:25] RaD: о!
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[11:38:01] Typhon: RaD, может быть все-таки доки?
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[11:38:39] Typhon: да, btw, есть pyparsing, например, может пригодится
[11:38:56] RaD: и это тоже читаю, просто не всегда :)
[11:39:35] piranha: funcparserlib
[11:39:42] piranha: Typhon: оно клëвее пайпарсинга имхо :)
[11:40:26] Typhon: piranha: функциональщина? :)
[11:40:30] RaD: да я уже все распарсил, там простое
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[11:40:55] RaD: [i for i in 'abcd1234'] - как брать по два символа?
[11:41:14] piranha: Typhon: ну такое :)
[11:41:58] RaD: чтобы получить ['ab', 'cd', '12', '34']
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[12:48:11] Typhon: [''.join(i) for i in zip(s[::2],s[1::2])] ^_^
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[13:55:26] nmk: ололо джангисты!
http://dumpz.org/12411/
[13:55:26] nmk: что я делаю не так? :)
[13:55:26] nmk: причем если задать related_name то ничего не изменится
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[13:55:26] piranha: невозможно читать )
[13:55:26] nmk: ну давай комментами оберну
[13:55:26] piranha: та я так )
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[13:55:26] nmk: обернул :)
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[13:55:26] tilarids: nmk, это, два раза импорт делаешь
[13:55:26] tilarids: видимо
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[13:55:26] nmk: в books ? один
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[13:55:26] tilarids: nmk, ты - один. И джанга еще один
[13:55:26] piranha: два раза импорт не бывает же
[13:55:26] piranha: модули - синглтоны
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[13:55:26] nmk: так ну пускай она два раза делает.
[13:55:26] tilarids: и пытается два раза добавить этот User.add_to_class
[13:55:26] nmk: хм..
[13:55:26] piranha: синглтоны
[13:55:26] tilarids: piranha, я уже как-то поднимал эту тему
[13:55:26] piranha: tilarids: ты представляешь, что тогда в бф должно происходить с манкипатчами?
[13:55:26] piranha: я импорчу по стопицот раз же...
[13:55:26] nmk: не. там она один раз делает при валидации это, но вроде второй раз она уже с "чистого листа" это делает
[13:55:26] tilarids: piranha, у меня в google_app_engine была подобная штука
[13:55:26] nmk: аааа. кажись догадываюсь
[13:55:26] nmk: да.
[13:55:26] piranha: tilarids: однако
[13:55:32] tilarids: piranha, я тогда заметил, что если ты импортишь модули _по_разному_, то получаешь разное поведение
[13:55:36] nmk: tilarids: ты запатчил как-нибудь глобалсами?
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[13:56:28] tilarids: например, у меня получалось: если делаешь from project.app.models import Model и в другом файле from models import Model, то получаешь фигню. Если во втором файле делаешь from models project.app.models import Model, то фигни не получается
[13:56:33] tilarids: я тогда не понял, что происходило
[13:56:45] piranha: ааа
[13:56:47] piranha: дошло
[13:56:50] piranha: тупо однако
[13:56:58] tilarids: piranha, что именно тупо?
[13:57:08] tilarids: может, ты мне объяснишь, что это происходит?
[13:57:10] piranha: тупо, что выходит два разных импорта
[13:57:13] piranha: ага
[13:57:24] piranha: у тебя в sys.modules один и тот же модуль виден под двумя разными путями
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[13:57:27] nmk: да-да
[13:57:31] tilarids: ну, да
[13:57:33] tilarids: а почему?
[13:57:38] nmk: как бы это запатчить красиво?
[13:57:38] piranha: ну потому что так тупо сделано
[13:57:43] piranha: юзать везде одинаковый импорт
[13:57:54] tilarids: nmk, путь указывать всегда с именем проекта
[13:57:55] piranha: не юзать относительные импорты
[13:58:05] tilarids: у меня теперь рефлекс, я все чужие импорты правлю :)
[13:58:12] nmk: да. стало лучше.
[13:58:17] nmk: но это конечно пиздец.
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[13:58:33] piranha: ну хз
[13:58:39] piranha: я не юзаю относительные импорты никогда
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[13:58:48] tilarids: nmk, если бы ты код писал по-джанговски, такого бы у тебя не было :)
[13:58:57] tilarids: что, Profile трудно создать? ;)
[13:59:03] piranha: онет
[13:59:10] nmk: не, можно пропбовать в тредлокал запихнуть какой-нить флаг и на основе его делать монкипатч или не делать
[13:59:14] piranha: по-джанговски - это функции на 200 строк? ;)
[13:59:21] RaD: а как int в hex перевести?
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[13:59:28] tilarids: piranha, не, это с профайлом
[13:59:34] nmk: tilarids: мне по джанговски не нравится все аппы в одной куче
[13:59:36] nmk: RaD: hex
[13:59:44] tilarids: RaD, питон у тебя какой?
[13:59:57] RaD: 2.5
[14:00:04] piranha: tilarids: профайл в топку :)
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[14:00:13] tilarids: тогда hex :)
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[14:01:02] RaD: а без префикса 0x ??
[14:01:13] piranha: [2:]
[14:01:31] piranha: RaD: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
[14:02:01] RaD: hex(10) => '0xa', а надо бы 0x0a, хотя я знаю, вы щас предложите использвать %02s
[14:02:10] nmk: '%x' % 255
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[14:03:01] nmk: tilarids: спасибо. :)
[14:03:13] RaD: %02x тогда
[14:03:14] tilarids: piranha, я твою позицию знаю, ты вообще бы джангу в топку сунул ;)
[14:03:24] tilarids: nmk, не за что
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[14:03:24] piranha: ну нееет
[14:03:28] piranha: как это сунул в топку
[14:03:31] tilarids: piranha, что нет?
[14:03:37] piranha: если б еë не было, пришлось бы пользоваться пилонами
[14:03:41] piranha: или турбожиром
[14:03:50] piranha: я б еë просто оставил в забвении ваще ;)
[14:03:56] tilarids: кто тут распинался, что джанго - фигня и надо писать своё с блекджеком и jinja?
[14:04:04] piranha: ну надо, конечно
[14:04:11] piranha: но в топку звучит как будто я не уважаю еë ;)
[14:04:13] tilarids: кстати, как прогресс? ;)
[14:04:32] piranha: продвигаемся понемногу :)
[14:04:40] piranha: уже есть даже один рабочий сайт ;)
[14:04:47] tilarids: линк?
[14:04:51] piranha: и решение о том, что на след неделе будем обсуждать, что делать
[14:04:57] piranha: http://chavatar.com/
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[14:10:58] tilarids: piranha, там же jinja2, как я понимаю?
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[14:50:26] RaD: камрады, а как сделать замену по словарю?
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[14:51:03] Typhon: .update ?
[14:52:10] RaD: ааа, пока писал объяснение, сам дошел, короче mydict[key]
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[14:52:44] Typhon: бля
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[14:53:12] RaD: ну чета ступил, весь мозг в структуре эмулятора, на питон ресурса не остаётся :)
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[14:53:54] Typhon: та это не ресурс, это ж туториал.
[14:54:12] Typhon: вообще ж чуть ли не основы.
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[14:54:22] piranha: RaD: я ж давал уже ссылку на туториал
[14:54:25] piranha: ты что, еще не начал читать?
[14:54:33] RaD: читай его сам, я ж сказал, ступил просто
[14:54:42] piranha: я вижу, что ступил
[14:54:44] piranha: уже неоднократно
[14:54:47] piranha: ты читал топик?
[14:55:00] piranha: Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me <http://throwcatch.me/> 
[14:55:04] piranha: знаешь, о чëм это?
[14:55:16] Typhon: а на джанге уже можно писать, не зная базовый типов питона и не умя с ними работать?
[14:55:20] Typhon: вых
[14:55:22] Typhon: *
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[14:55:37] piranha: RaD: это значит, что за еще один очень тупой вопрос я тебе устрою бан на день, чтоб не злил нас ;)
[14:55:47] piranha: Typhon: похоже на то
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[14:56:08] bobry: wow, action!
[14:56:46] RaD: на джанге можно всё :)
[14:56:59] piranha: bobry: не, ну реально круто, да? Я учаснегу говорю, чтоб он почитал доки, а он мне - "сам читай"
[14:57:04] piranha: у меня прямо зачесались руки ;)
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[14:57:53] RaD: наглая ложь, я такого не говорил :)
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[14:58:32] piranha: piranha: ты что, еще не начал читать?
RaD: читай его сам, я ж сказал, ступил просто
[14:58:44] piranha: неужели ты думаешь, что у меня такая плохая память, что я за 4 минуты забываю всë? :)
[14:58:45] RaD: это было Typhon
[14:59:07] piranha: разницы нет :)
[14:59:25] tilarids: кстати, у джанги странное отношение к питоновским базовым типам и возможностям
[14:59:26] RaD: отождествляешь себя с другими?
[14:59:34] Typhon: а Typhon тебе не предлагал ничего читать, а сокрушался просто, так что ты лжешь!
[14:59:36] Typhon: !!!!1!1!!1!
[14:59:40] piranha: именно
[14:59:47] piranha: tilarids: ?
[14:59:50] tilarids: я вот всё не соберусь проверить и закинуть баг
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[15:00:00] bobry: piranha: дай линк плиз) я повеселюсь перед уходом
[15:00:04] bobry: или он был уже выше?
[15:00:14] tilarids: piranha, почему-то дескрипторы ведут себя не совсем так, как должны себя вести дескрипторы
[15:00:20] 0lejka is now I'm not here right now
[15:00:36] bobry: а как они должны себя вести?
[15:01:42] tilarids: piranha, как дескрипторы :) Вот, например, представьте, что у вас есть нечто такое:
class A(models.Model):
some_field = model.ManyToManyField()

попробуйте сделать A.some_field
[15:01:52] tilarids: ой, bobry это было тебе
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[15:02:33] bobry: у меня нет джанги :) а что произойдет? AttributeError?
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[15:03:22] tilarids: bobry, как раз нет
[15:03:24] tilarids: а должно
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[15:03:35] wiz_: почему это?
[15:03:51] tilarids: wiz, ты видел, как эти дескрипторы реализованы? Там проверяется на instance is None
[15:03:52] Typhon: >> class A(object):
... s = 1
...
>>> A.s
1

[15:03:59] tilarids: Typhon, ненене
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[15:04:04] piranha: tilarids: не понимаю тебя
[15:04:09] piranha: там не остаëтся никаких дескрипторов емнип
[15:04:13] piranha: там остаëтся тупо строка
[15:04:13] tilarids: some_field = ManyToManyField()
[15:04:17] Typhon: tilarids: не так понял?
[15:04:22] piranha: метакласс всë перефигачивает
[15:04:28] wiz_: ну допустим. и ухли? (=
[15:04:30] piranha: ну не строка, но ты пойняв
[15:04:36] tilarids: секунду, я убежал есть еду
[15:05:48] tilarids: вернусь - договорим
[15:05:48] bobry: piranha: т.е. эти атрибуты подменяются метаклассом?
[15:05:48] piranha: да
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[15:05:48] bobry: круто, зачем они тогда instance is None проверяют, на случай если метакласс failed? :)
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[15:06:57] piranha: хм
[15:06:58] piranha: где?
[15:07:11] piranha: лана, забей, шото я не вник, и вникнуть не могу )
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[15:08:04] bobry: ну tilarids сказал) у меня джанги нет чичас
[15:08:08] bobry: поэтому я верю ему на слово
[15:08:09] bobry: :)
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[15:19:33] tilarids: вот иллюстрация: http://dumpz.org/12415/
[15:20:17] tilarids: какого фига он возвращает дескриптор, а не пытается выполнить __get__ - не знаю
[15:20:29] tilarids: а в __get__ написана проверка на instance is None
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[15:20:44] bobry: хм..а если у isntance запросить responsible?
[15:20:47] bobry: ошибка имеется?
[15:21:05] tilarids: если так изначально и задумано, что дескриптор должен возвращаться (хотя сфигали?), то эта проверка нафиг не нужна
[15:21:26] tilarids: bobry, если у instance спросить, то вызывается __get__ и возвращается RelatedManager
[15:21:33] tilarids: в общем, там какая-то странная магия происходит
[15:21:47] bobry: да уж, че то темное дело какое т)
[15:22:21] wiz_: это скорее чтобы где-нибудь ещё магия заработала
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[15:22:31] wiz_: а зачем ты дёргаешь поле не у инстанса?
[15:22:34] piranha: ,hhh
[15:22:36] piranha: бррр
[15:22:41] tilarids: причем эту магию я понять не могу. Если таким же самым образом прописать свой дескриптор, то дескриптор возвращаться не будет
[15:22:45] piranha: ну да, по-моему в этом и дело
[15:22:53] tilarids: а будет нормальный AttributeError
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[15:29:34] tilarids: вообще в питоне как-то странно с этими дескрипторами. То __get__ два раза вызывается, то __get__ перед __set__ вызывается
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[15:30:01] tilarids: никто не знает, в чём может быть прикол? Может, механизм дескрипторов поменялся в 2.6, а я об этом не знаю?
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[15:34:54] tilarids: ыч, ipython fails with descriptors :)
[15:35:52] tilarids: http://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/ipython-user/2005-December/003046.html - c 2005-го никто и не думает фиксить
[15:36:29] piranha: в ипитоне многое не думают фиксить :(((
[15:36:31] piranha: поддержку юникода ту же...
[15:37:17] tilarids: ага. виндузятники
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[15:37:31] tilarids: я уж тут тревогу начал бить, что в питоне дескрипторы сломались
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[15:37:46] tilarids: это они всего лишь не так работают в ipython и в джанге
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[15:38:04] StormChild: нда...
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[15:39:56] RaD: piranha: не могу найти в туториале упоминание о hex
[15:40:36] piranha: RaD: после прочтения туториала еще стоит научится пользоваться гуглем
[15:40:50] RaD: ага, значит читать его смысла нет :)
[15:40:55] piranha: http://www.segfault.kiev.ua/smart-questions-ru.html
[15:40:56] RaD: /me полез в гугол
[15:40:58] piranha: есть смысл
[15:41:04] piranha: ты б тогда не спросил про словарь
[15:41:32] RaD: ну я ж не спрашиваю про классы там, метаклассы и прочую понятную хрень
[15:41:45] piranha: очевидную, да
[15:42:03] piranha: словари - это, конечно, тупо адски сложная вещь
[15:42:13] Typhon: встроенная функция help еще, кстати
[15:42:16] piranha: ты читал когда-нить smart questions?
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[15:42:44] piranha: если нет, то стоит - эта статья заставляет многих увидеть новые интересные грани в своей жизни
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[15:46:03] tilarids: кстати, всегда хотел задать вопрос. В ipython есть две прикольные фички - ставишь один ?, показывает help, ставишь ??, пытается показать исходный файл. Так вот, это случаем не стандартная фишка питона? Т.е., можно ли то же самое сделать вызовом функции(нахождение файла с исходниками)
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[15:48:19] mishok13: tilarids, можно
[15:48:25] RaD: всем читать, как давать хорошие ответы :)
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[15:48:56] mishok13: tilarids, http://docs.python.org/dev/library/inspect#retrieving-source-code
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[18:44:42] nmk: slav0nic: баян же
[18:44:57] jedgar: да уж 2001 год %)
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[18:46:22] Portnov: то фигня, есть бояны посмешнее имхо :) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/196628/ru
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[18:49:12] mr.oduvan: народ.. у меня почемуто wsgi не показывает желаемого результата... в чем может быть проблема?
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[18:49:30] mr.oduvan: при использовании его с джангой
[18:49:39] gigimon: а какой результат ждешь?
[18:49:47] gigimon: и какой получаешь)
[18:49:53] mr.oduvan: ну... 3 сек на запрос - это много...
[18:49:56] mr.oduvan: помоему
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[18:50:46] mr.oduvan: http://dumpz.org/12427/
[18:50:57] mr.oduvan: вот такой wsgi скрипт я юзаю
[18:51:16] mr.oduvan: лежит в каталоге с проектом..
[18:51:24] mr.oduvan: что еще можно потюнинговать?
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[20:13:01] joes: кстати, то что логи за Сентябрь не пишутся
[20:13:08] joes: это бага?
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[20:28:20] unk2k: всем привет
[20:28:23] unk2k: кто то знает некого Miscellany
[20:28:24] unk2k: ,
[20:28:25] unk2k: ??
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[20:33:24] wiz: вроде появлялся тут
[20:33:26] wiz: знакомый ник
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[20:41:07] piranha is now Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
[20:41:08] rulexec: здравствуйте
[20:41:20] rulexec: а есть какой-нибудь игровой фреймворк?
[20:41:41] rulexec: вернее как бы мне "по-простому" спрайты по экрану двигать?)
[20:41:42] wiz: pygame
[20:41:43] joes: rulexec: выскороуровневый?
[20:41:46] joes: pygame
[20:42:01] wiz: спрайты двигать под музыку в 8 строчек
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[20:42:24] rulexec: мммм
[20:42:25] rulexec: кул
[20:42:33] rulexec: мне толком и двигать не нужно
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[20:43:08] rulexec: а есть мануал какой по нему на русском?
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[20:44:34] wiz: lingvo.yandex.ru
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[20:45:03] piranha: translate.google.com
[20:45:25] wiz: babel.altavista.com/tr
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[20:46:08] rulexec: ыы
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[20:46:22] Lyuk: добрый вечер, кто знает за сколько можно продать книгу М.Лутц "изучаем питон 3-е издание", покупал в июне, а теперь из-за не надобности хочу продать, но цену сбивают вдвое.
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[20:46:42] wiz: за сколько сможешь, за столько и продашь
[20:46:57] rulexec: ^)
[20:47:00] rulexec: ^_^
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[20:47:07] Lyuk: :(
[20:47:25] Lyuk: брал за 280 грн, предлагают в лучшем случае за 150
[20:47:34] red-agent: Ну что я могу сказать...
[20:47:42] red-agent: Справку о вменяемости я бы не тебе не выдал.
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[20:48:01] rulexec: ну...
[20:48:08] Магистр is now online
[20:48:10] rulexec: продать за 150 это лучше чем выкинуть
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[20:48:29] Lyuk: спасибо
[20:48:31] wiz: я бы так отдал
[20:48:31] red-agent: Угу. Непонятно правда зачем покупать было эту лажу за 280грн.
[20:48:37] red-agent: wiz, += 1
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[20:48:56] wiz: петон в массы (=
[20:49:09] wiz: или даже лучше в библиотеку городскую сдать
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[20:49:30] red-agent: wiz, А там за это что-то дают?
[20:49:36] red-agent: Или просто по головке погладят?
[20:49:43] rulexec: ыы
[20:49:46] piranha: смачный пинок? ;
[20:49:48] piranha: ;))
[20:49:48] rulexec: у нас в библиотеке....
[20:50:00] rulexec: максимум есть книга по винде 95
[20:50:02] rulexec: :)
[20:50:03] red-agent: piranha, Ну я че-то так и подумал.
[20:50:47] wiz: ну вот будет по питону ещё
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[21:05:23] wiz: кто-нибудь заморачивался вебсокетами или там флэшсокетами?
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[21:08:29] rulexec: помогите плиз
[21:08:35] rulexec: кто с pygame чтонить делал?
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[21:10:57] Typhon: wiz, на работе используем флешовые сокеты
[21:11:10] Typhon: в одном месте и это место постоянный источник проблем
[21:11:21] wiz: хех...
[21:11:30] wiz: я тут 2 либы попробовал, ни одна не заработала
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[21:11:40] wiz: завтра буду XMPP/BOSH ковырять
[21:12:17] joes: гугля купила рекапчу
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[21:12:25] wiz: rulexec, авторы pygame делали наверняка
[21:12:32] rulexec: :_
[21:12:34] rulexec: :)
[21:12:35] piranha: s/чу/чу, сволочи/
[21:12:37] piranha: ;-
[21:12:39] piranha: )
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[23:01:38] xa4a: rulexec: если вернёшся - немного делали
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[23:06:53] xa4a: пункт назначения, кстати, смешной
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[23:41:31] Мозгошредер: ДК жжот :-O
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