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[11:23:44] unk2k ☯: Вопрос по JavaScript.
как оптимизировать ?
string.replace(',','.').replace(/ /g, '');
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[11:27:09] Большой Лис: unk2k ☯, зайди на javascript@c.j.r
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[11:53:06] mr.oduvan: всем привет!
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[11:56:46] nmk: здорова!
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[11:59:33] mr.oduvan: string.replace(/\s+/g,'')
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[12:00:14] nmk: там еще точку на запятую меняют :)
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[12:00:25] nmk: но вообще конечно это такое место которое обязательно надо оптимизировать.
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[12:01:06] mr.oduvan: ну как это оптимизить я слабо представляю
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[12:02:02] огыешсук: гыгык: "jacobian: In case anyone's curious, Django is already used on at least one porn site. Can't decide how that makes me feel. No, I'm not posting a link."
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[12:02:13] nmk: оптимизните лучше файрфокс, он уже затрахал по гигабайту памяти жрать при 6 табах
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[12:02:42] огыешсук: nmk: у вас 64 битная система что ли?
[12:03:00] nmk: да нет. я думаю о новой тачке и о 64 битной. :)
[12:03:10] nmk: наверное у меня жестко нечищен профайл
[12:03:18] nmk: ну и мне кажется там что-то где-то течет.
[12:03:22] огыешсук: а фокс то хоть свежий?
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[12:03:34] nmk: 3.5.1
[12:03:49] wiz_: уже не особо
[12:03:59] nmk: да врядли они что-то имзенили там координально.
[12:04:09] огыешсук: тогда точно поотключай лишние расширения, у меня оно при полусотне табов едва полгига занимает.
[12:04:23] nmk: на винде?
[12:04:33] огыешсук: нет, на православном дебиане
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[12:04:55] nmk: у меня с ним на винде все впорядке. может потому что там профайл меньше. а расширений ненужных реально нету.
[12:05:05] nmk: не, есть подозрение что он течет на флеше
[12:05:31] wiz_: координально изменили -- этапять!
[12:05:44] nmk: т.е. мне приходится девелопить нечто с флешом и даже после закрытия флэша есть чувство, что оно не всю память отдает
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[12:06:08] nmk: у меня проблема, а тебе б поржать. :)
[12:06:24] xa4a: в линухсе флеш течёт - стопицот процентов
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[12:07:09] nmk: там там помимо течет еще куча других проблем. например аплоад, когда nginx проксирует в nginx, а тот уже на джангу. виснет и все тут
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[12:07:32] nmk: и еще я не понимаю что там с кодировками
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[12:08:38] nmk: а еще если из него выйти, то он может начать дико жрать память и потом помереть.
[12:08:45] nmk: это я про файрфокс
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[12:42:15] joes: за сентябрь - ни одного лога
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[12:45:39] _vovaz04h_: всем привет. можно ли юзать cairo для рисования графика в окне гтк? я слепил glade и мне нужно в оке нарисовать график
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[12:45:58] wiz_: можно, юзай.
[12:46:05] _vovaz04h_: wiz, :)
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[12:48:18] _vovaz04h_: как?? я не понял по поводу surface. :( и как cairo прилепить к gtk
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[12:49:28] _vovaz04h_: просту у gtk.drawingarey слабоваты возможности :( (или я не поянл :) )
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[12:50:34] mr.oduvan: народ, а есть какая нить тулса в джанге, чтоб оценить покрытие кода?
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[12:51:14] mr.oduvan: я звпускаю сервак и хожу по страницам, а потом он мне говорит, какая часть кода осталась не использованой
[12:51:33] mishok13: coverage.py я думаю прикрутить не проблема
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[12:53:25] mr.oduvan: mishok13, спасибо, чтото примерно такое
[12:53:27] mr.oduvan: :)
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[12:53:50] tilarids: mr.oduvan: nosetests --with-coverage --cover-package=project_name
[12:53:58] tilarids: а, тьфу
[12:54:06] tilarids: у меня рефлекс
[12:54:10] tilarids: never mind
[12:54:22] tilarids: я ковераж использую исключительно с тестами :)
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[12:55:19] mr.oduvan: ну вобщемто мне тоже для этой цели
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[12:56:56] tilarids: mr.oduvan: ну, тогда юзай на здоровье
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[12:57:44] mr.oduvan: nosetests --with-coverage --cover-package=project_name это?
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[13:00:59] tilarids: mr.oduvan: да
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[13:01:13] tilarids: nosetests умеет сам подхватывать coverage и использовать в тестах
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[13:02:54] mr.oduvan: ага... все.. понял.. спасибо
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[13:06:25] mr.oduvan: а это кто нить пробовал?
[13:06:27] mr.oduvan: http://www.getwindmill.com
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[13:07:31] Большой Лис: народ
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[13:07:53] Большой Лис: как быть в psql когда результат запроса шире терминала?
[13:08:08] Большой Лис: в mysql это вместо ; вконце писалось \G
[13:08:12] RaD: почитать про psql, наверняка там есть команды форматирования
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[13:08:24] Большой Лис: и результаты выводились не горизонтально а вертикально
[13:08:32] RaD: либо вывести результат сразу в файл и посмотреть в любимом редакторе
[13:08:45] RaD: /me тока за оракл может сказать
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[13:36:06] tilarids: mr.oduvan: да, пробовали, классная штука
[13:36:48] nmk: а pythonmagick кто-нибудь использовал?
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[13:37:20] mr.oduvan: tilarids, лучше чем selenium?
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[13:37:41] mr.oduvan: tilarids и чото с документацией у негоо бедновато
[13:37:51] tilarids: mr.oduvan: когда мы пробовали, selenium нормально работал только с ff2.0
[13:38:20] tilarids: mr.oduvan: информации, что доступна в интернетах, достаточно
[13:38:42] tilarids: к тому же, автор отвечает на вопросы :)
[13:39:14] mr.oduvan: tilarids, т.е. вы его так плотненько юзали не просто пробовали
[13:39:16] mr.oduvan: ?
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[13:44:58] mr.oduvan: мне наоборот кажется, что если юзать уж такие высокоуровневые тесты... то лучше юзать чтото подобное
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[13:48:37] tilarids: mr.oduvan: ты собрался тестить js? Если нет или можешь без этого обойтись, то 100% лучше использовать twill
[13:49:05] tilarids: это быстрое и качественное решение
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[13:50:12] mr.oduvan: 1ых тут теститш все... сразу...
[13:50:52] mr.oduvan: 2х быстрее??? я могу походить по странице, а потом сохранить в файл сгенериный потоновский тест... что может быть быстрее?
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[13:51:47] mr.oduvan: хотя признаться, твил я еще не пробовал вообще
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[13:57:19] mr.oduvan: только я не могу понять как у них проверить, есль ли на странице такой то текст
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[13:58:45] tilarids: mr.oduvan: быстрое - в плане, что тесты работают быстрее, разворачиваются быстрее, отлаживаются проще. Генерация твилловских тестов вроде тоже есть в каком-то из вспомогательных фреймворков. Могу линк кинуть
[13:58:53] tilarids: mr.oduvan: где проверить?
[13:59:30] mr.oduvan: в windmill
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[14:02:53] tilarids: mr.oduvan: ммм, не помню. в twill - find
[14:03:12] tilarids: я уже так привык писать тесты в твилл, что думаю, что windmill не нужен :)
[14:04:03] wiz: tilarids, а его можно прицепить к manage.py test ?
[14:04:37] mr.oduvan: wiz djang_test_utils
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[14:05:05] tilarids: wiz, твилл? Фиг его. Мы nosetests юзаем, ибо стандартное решение
[14:05:29] wiz: что-то их дофига разных
[14:05:31] wiz: урл?
[14:05:32] mr.oduvan: не.. мне всетаки кажется - селениум по приятнее
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[14:06:14] mr.oduvan: http://ericholscher.com/projects/django-test-utils/
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[14:07:45] mr.oduvan: мне всетаки кажется, что селениум по приятнее будет
[14:07:52] tilarids: mr.oduvan: предатель :)
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[14:08:26] tilarids: mr.oduvan: я тебя предупреждаю, selenium юзают пхпшники
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[14:08:29] tilarids: он проклят :)
[14:08:52] tilarids: wiz: урл на что тебе нужен?
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[14:32:48] rahs: привет всем
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[14:33:46] rahs: а подскажите кто-нибудь, как правильно вытаскивать значения связанных полей в запросе с агрегациями
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[14:43:53] mr.oduvan: всетаки вы правы... каждому свое.. для проверки работоспособности и твила хватит
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[14:52:53] gigimon: ПОиграйте в тетрис ;) http://hidden-3d.com/games_stereogram_tetris.php
[14:53:09] Муркт: gigimon: ты не спам-бот?
[14:53:14] gigimon: нет)
[14:53:18] gigimon: а должен быть им?
[14:53:24] Муркт: я ж и спрашиваю
[14:53:30] gigimon: нене, я живой
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[14:57:49] mr.oduvan: gigimon, мне кажется, или оно просто безбожно глючит
[14:57:56] gigimon: э
[14:58:01] gigimon: в опере отлично работало
[14:58:04] gigimon: я даже видел фигурки
[14:58:11] gigimon: когда глаза ломаешь :)
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[14:58:42] mr.oduvan: да ну нафиг... у меня глаза на лоп лезут... и рельано ничо не видно
[14:58:51] mr.oduvan: линух мозила
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[15:01:00] tilarids: кульно :)
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[15:02:06] Муркт: а я уже забыл как стереограммы рассматривать
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[15:02:19] Муркт: хотя в тетрис можно и так шпилить, не видя "3д"
[15:02:30] tilarids: при движении трудно
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[15:05:44] jedgar: а кроме селениума и виндмилла что еще есть для яваскрипта?
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[15:10:16] tilarids: jedgar: есть еще jsunit
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[15:20:46] gigimon: никто немецкий незнает?
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[15:21:16] Typhon: translate.google.com, я думаю
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[15:29:28] RaD: читать и понимать немецкий ещё реально (без опыта его изучения), но вот писать это пипец
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[15:31:29] rahs: н-да. похоже, я один такой изверг :)
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[15:32:21] kryklia: привет. какой способ есть сделать cd версию djanngo сайта?
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[15:32:51] kryklia: я сделал девелопмент версию, но там питон хочет писать на диск кудато в tmp , а копировать его всего как-то уже не хочется
[15:33:41] kryklia: если делать с апачем то будет ли он тоже писать на диск, и надо ли его будет копировать всего - ошибка мне непонятная совершенно
[15:33:50] kryklia: питон в смысле
[15:34:03] jedgar: ОСь то какая?
[15:34:48] RaD: а нафуя?
[15:35:01] kryklia: xp
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[15:35:07] RaD: там же есть дока, сгенери из неё html или pdf - будет один в один джанговский сайт
[15:35:07] kryklia: заказчики захотели вчера
[15:35:30] RaD: аааа, блин. ты про свой сайт
[15:35:33] kryklia: :))
[15:35:36] kryklia: уугу
[15:35:44] kryklia: а я пытаюсь понять :)
[15:35:49] RaD: да легко :)
[15:35:58] kryklia: ?
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[15:36:24] RaD: создай образ с линуксом, там настрой всё что надо, поставь джангу апач, и сделай лайв сиди
[15:36:26] kryklia: с диска все копировать в темп и оттуда запускать - один метод, но это надо копировать проект, питон, и sql сервер
[15:36:45] RaD: или виртуальную машину
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[15:37:00] kryklia: ага варианты есть..
[15:37:04] rahs: или обернуть все py2exe?
[15:37:05] joes: поковыряй http://www.portablepython.com/
[15:37:10] kryklia: ух
[15:37:15] kryklia: спасибо всем
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[15:37:16] joes: но я не уверен про CD
[15:37:22] joes: USB без инсталляции - точно
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[15:37:38] kryklia: я сд - нет
[15:37:42] kryklia: а*
[15:37:48] RaD: скажи что сиди - это прошлый век :)
[15:38:02] kryklia: особенно когда есть интернет :)
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[15:38:53] kryklia: а вот про образ с линуксом - он будет свапится в оперативку, и джанго заодно с ним будет тужа же свапится?
[15:39:18] jedgar: как вариант сделать виртуальный диск и с сд туда юсб версию
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[15:39:40] joes: http://cx-freeze.sourceforge.net/
[15:39:45] kryklia: я долго искал и не нашел portable ramdrive
[15:40:03] kryklia: щас посмотрю
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[15:40:20] kryklia: а виртуальную машину с сд запускал? куда она свапится?
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[15:41:57] rahs: лююдииии... ну хоть пните в правильном направлении... нешто вам пинка жалко для хорошего человека....
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[15:43:27] tilarids: rahs: на freenode тебя пнуть? ;)
[15:43:33] joes: rahs: берешь какой-нить portable python или тот же cx-freeze
[15:43:36] joes: делаешь пекедж
[15:43:41] joes: ставишь на директорию read-only
[15:43:42] sevenov: о, тут говорят оО
[15:43:43] joes: и тестишь
[15:43:51] joes: взлетело - значит и на ЦД взлетит
[15:43:55] joes: нет - ищи альтернативы
[15:43:58] tilarids: joes: ты людей перепутал
[15:44:04] rahs: joes, я не про то вовсе
[15:44:04] kryklia: :)
[15:44:06] joes: а
[15:44:08] joes: :-)
[15:44:12] joes: rahs: или обернуть все py2exe?
[15:44:13] joes: хех
[15:44:14] rahs: tilarids, ???
[15:44:16] tilarids: у rahs какой-то странный вопрос без кода
[15:44:18] joes: решил что вопрос
[15:44:22] jedgar: kryklia: исходник простейшего рамдиска это 25 Кб на С, с этим проблем не должно быть
[15:44:51] kryklia: те что я нашел он ставятся как сервисы, как драйверы, но я не исзодники смотрел
[15:44:58] tilarids: rahs: ты можешь в псевдокоде описать, что ты хочешь сделать?
[15:45:00] rahs: tilarids, да вроде и так понятно...
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[15:45:10] rahs: щас пример сделаю
[15:45:32] лорд Морфий: а никто случаем не знает, как в PyQT запретить изменение размера окна ??? те чтобы в принципе небыло такой возможности ?
[15:45:50] kryklia: спасибо, буду эекспериментировать
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[15:46:27] kryklia: jedgar: решение с диском особо не отличается от решения копировать все в тмп
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[15:47:55] mishok13: !google fixed window size pyqt
[15:48:02] RaD: я не люблю когда демо софт куда-то что-то копирует
[15:48:17] kryklia: я тоже
[15:48:37] mishok13: лорд Морфий, гугель же работает
[15:48:48] RaD: виртуальная машина - самый правильный метод
[15:48:48] лорд Морфий: mishok13: найти не могу ;((((
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[15:49:02] tilarids: :D
[15:49:04] mishok13: так по ссылке сходи
[15:49:06] лорд Морфий: mishok13: все равно остается возможность изменения размера окна :(((
[15:49:18] mishok13: потому что размер окна -- рекомендация
[15:49:22] лорд Морфий: точно - тормоз
[15:49:26] mishok13: WM может делать что захочет
[15:49:33] лорд Морфий: не похлядел на сцылку
[15:49:37] RaD: лорд Морфий: посмотри в доку по Qt, там поймёшь
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[15:49:52] tilarids: ну, правильные WM рекомендаций не нарушают
[15:49:58] tilarids: вроде как
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[15:51:12] лорд Морфий: mishok13: спасибо :))) сорри
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[15:52:55] jedgar: kryklia: не обязательно все копировать, можно только как место под изменяемые файлы
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[15:57:36] kryklia: RaD: меняется и довольно много
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[15:57:46] kryklia: питон пишет куда-то в тмп
[15:57:58] sevenov: Хэй
[15:58:02] sevenov: Чече за тема-то?
[15:58:05] RaD: сделай виртуальную машину и не парься
[15:58:09] kryklia: сам, конечно если сделаю в exe или что там - ситуация может измениться
[15:58:17] gigimon: sevenov: как сделать портабл дажнго сайт
[15:58:30] kryklia: и сам дев сервер пишет
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[15:58:49] kryklia: а насчет виртульной машины - она что никуда не своипится?
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[15:59:14] sevenov: ну собрал virtualenv с --no-site-packages, слил все либы и вуаля.
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[16:00:12] mishok13: своп это настройки системы
[16:00:14] wiz_: что за --no-site-packages? запрещает извне енва использовать либы?
[16:00:19] mishok13: как настроил так и свопится
[16:00:53] kryklia: я это к чему - кто-то запускал вируальную машину с сд - может ей какие-то логи или настройки надо пистаь на диск
[16:00:56] mishok13: wiz, да
[16:01:00] sevenov: wiz_, да, не тянет либы из /usr/..../python/site-packages
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[16:01:38] mishok13: чистит sys.path от site-packages
[16:02:14] RaD: на сд инсталляшки виртуалки и образ диска, нехай отвалят :)
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[16:02:28] mishok13: запиши им видео блять
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[16:02:34] mishok13: и не еби себе мозг
[16:02:34] RaD: о! точно
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[16:02:46] RaD: Full HD video - новые технологии
[16:02:58] mishok13: сайт на cd, это какой-то привет из 90-ых
[16:03:04] kryklia: угу
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[16:03:23] kryklia: видео! клевая идея
[16:03:23] RaD: ну, за 5 кусков зелени я думаю он сделает... че там
[16:03:47] kryklia: срок до завтра и денег 0 ))
[16:03:53] sevenov: Ооо. За 5 кусков зелени я еще и сплясать могу :)
[16:03:55] kryklia: этого в договоре не было..
[16:03:58] kryklia: :))
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[16:04:30] kryklia: хорошо, с видео наверно будет лучше всего
[16:04:32] mishok13: институт штоле?
[16:04:49] jedgar: на сд поидее ложится дистрибутив, а не портабл, портабл - это флешка
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[16:05:18] kryklia: mishok13: не понял вопроса
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[16:05:40] RaD: если не было в договоре, то идут в юг
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[16:06:06] kryklia: RaD: лучше предложить альтернативу, - ругаться не хочется
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[16:06:26] mishok13: у тебя реальные заказчики или тебе в институте пора защит курсачей?
[16:06:29] kryklia: sevenov: я еще не очень шарю - если я правиьлно понял - ты предлагаешь пересобрать таким образом питон?
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[16:06:34] kryklia: реальные
[16:06:36] mishok13: *защищать курсач
[16:06:38] mishok13: пиздец
[16:06:49] sevenov: kryklia, нет.
[16:06:52] mishok13: а можешь их засветить, чтобы я случайно на таких не нарвался?
[16:06:57] RaD: я бы не ругался, а просто сказал, что данная задача выходит за рамки наших договорённостей
[16:07:02] sevenov: просто собрать venv со всеми нужными либами.
[16:07:13] kryklia: у них типа стартап, так что это не грзит
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[16:07:41] mishok13: ну и хрен что стартап, я тоже в стартапе работаю
[16:07:47] jedgar: а что джанго-сайт этот делает?
[16:07:53] rahs: собственно, вот

http://www.dumpz.org/12473/

[16:07:54] mishok13: мне просто имена этих идиотов знать хочется
[16:08:15] kryklia: знаете когда со знакомыми начинаешь что-то делать бывают непрятные моменты
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[16:08:27] kryklia: сайт по туризму - вот он ornament.kiev.ua
[16:08:39] kryklia: понятно, что я его еще делабю
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[16:10:05] kryklia: sevenov: что такое venv? и что почитать об этом и как его собирать?
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[16:10:21] sevenov: !g virtualenv
[16:10:26] sevenov: klichuk,
[16:10:47] kryklia: спасибо
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[16:14:02] tilarids: rahs: и проблема в чём?
[16:14:26] tilarids: может, ты group_by хотел сделать?
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[16:16:30] Portnov: http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=23477
кто-нить чо-нить умное может про книжко сказать?
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[16:18:12] rahs: если убрать values_list(...., то запрос получится типа

SELECT "statistics_results_stat"."id", "statistics_results_stat"."book_id", "statistics_results_stat"."overall", SUM("statistics_results_stat"."overall") AS "overall" FROM "statistics_results_stat"
INNER JOIN "books_books" ON ("statistics_results_stat"."book_id" = "books_books"."book_id")
WHERE "statistics_results_stat"."book_id" = 1 GROUP BY "statistics_results_stat"."id", "statistics_results_stat"."book_id", "statistics_results_stat"."overall", "books_books"."book_id", "books_books"."book_name"
[16:18:34] rahs: а если не убирать, джойна там не будет
[16:18:56] Typhon: dumpz.org
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[16:19:17] unk2k ☯: в чем вопрос ?
[16:19:27] unk2k ☯: /me ...умираю...
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[16:21:10] rahs: tilarids, да, запрос с группировкой и внешними полями
[16:21:34] unk2k ☯: и в чем проблема ?
[16:22:14] rahs: unk2k ☯, я ж вроде изложил :) или группировка, или значения связанного поля
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[16:22:20] rahs: а вместе - никак
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[16:22:34] unk2k ☯: я же написал
[16:22:36] unk2k ☯: что умираю
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[16:22:51] rahs: а
[16:22:52] unk2k ☯: у меня глаза не поднимаются выше 1/4 экрана
[16:22:54] unk2k ☯: не могу прочесть
[16:23:00] rahs: зеркало
[16:23:03] unk2k ☯: не
[16:23:07] rahs: на стол
[16:23:20] unk2k ☯: это на джанге все ?
[16:23:23] rahs: да
[16:23:29] unk2k ☯: а че ты не на джангоканале ?
[16:23:38] rahs: а тут привык
[16:23:54] unk2k ☯: иди туда, там помогу
[16:23:55] unk2k ☯: ;)
[16:24:06] rahs: там глаза поднимаются?
[16:24:28] unk2k ☯: да
[16:24:32] unk2k ☯: странно, правда ?
[16:24:38] ыапэ is now я тут
[16:24:48] tilarids: rahs: а ты менять местами до достижения нужного результата не пробовал? ;)
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[16:25:07] unk2k ☯: rahs какая у тебя задача
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[16:25:31] unk2k ☯: 1. что ты хочешь получить
2. что ты для этого сделал
3. что у тебя получилось
4. что не так
5. как у тебя дела
[16:25:38] sevenov: что происходит?
[16:25:49] rahs: tilarids, менял. походу, все возможные перестановки сделал :)
[16:25:50] sevenov: 1. нет
2. 3. 4. 5. да.
[16:25:50] unk2k ☯: sevenov я умираю, меня провожают
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[16:26:21] tilarids: rahs: гм. Так а что тебя не устраивает с values_list? Тебе же джоин нужен? Вот он есть
[16:27:00] rahs: ыыыыы.... джойн - есть, связанного поля - нет... только ключ...
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[16:33:05] rahs: tilarids, идеи есть?
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[16:37:37] tilarids: rahs: не особо. Попробуй во freenode спросить
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[16:38:07] tilarids: где piranha делся? Я вот попробовал его opster заюзать, а у меня тут какой-то странный болт
[16:38:17] RaD: rahs: думаю никто врубаца в такой запрос не будет
[16:38:55] rahs: RaD, понял уже
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[16:40:20] sevenov: tilarids, выкрути его )
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[16:42:01] tilarids: sevenov: кого?
[16:42:05] tilarids: болт?
[16:42:09] sevenov: ну.
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[16:42:20] tilarids: я его у себя выкручу и пиранье вкручу
[16:42:31] sevenov: гыгы.
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[16:42:39] tilarids: у меня стойкое впечатление, что пиранья забыл о том, что функции могут вызываться без параметров
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[16:43:36] mishok13: ты чо, не гони на опстер
[16:43:43] mishok13: опстер идеален, хыхы
[16:43:57] sevenov: ну вообще да, почти идеален.
[16:44:11] Муркт: tilarids: прозреваю, что пиранья будет где-то в понедельник
[16:44:28] sevenov: Снова путешествует?
[16:44:38] Муркт: у друга свадьба
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[16:44:59] Муркт: товарищи, подскажите
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[16:45:14] Муркт: а то я джаваскрипт предыдущий раз видел два года назад
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[16:45:28] unk2k ☯: Муркт а я с ним сегодня весь день
[16:45:33] Муркт: мне надо передать внутрь замыкания две переменные
[16:45:47] unk2k ☯: код покажи
[16:45:59] Муркт: но замыкания определяются в цикле, и потому во всех замыканиях последние значения
[16:46:14] xa4a: хехехе
[16:46:22] xa4a: у меня то же самое было с питоном
[16:46:24] Муркт: переменные определены через var. В питоне я бы запхнул их в дефолтные аргументы, но мне что-то подсказывает, что в джаваскрипте так низя
[16:46:37] red-agent: Угу, а я без электричества сидел х_Х
[16:46:44] xa4a: попробую замыкания делать отдельной функцией
[16:46:45] Муркт: red-agent: два года?
[16:47:03] red-agent: Муркт, День, бля.
[16:47:10] sevenov: ^^
[16:47:12] xa4a: типа for (var a in lst) { make_closure(a, lst[a]);}
[16:47:13] Муркт: xa4a: сделать отдельную функцию, в которую передавать два аргумента, а она будет мне отдавать кложуру?
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[16:47:20] xa4a: да
[16:47:26] sevenov: Муркт, ()(args)
[16:47:30] red-agent: Электрик, сука такая... Пришел делать общий щиток. Сделал, ушел. У всех электричество есть -- у меня нету =( Карма...
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[16:47:36] sevenov: разве не оно?
[16:47:37] Муркт: sevenov: шшщто?
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[16:47:39] xa4a: они пока туда-обратно по стеку по лазят - раз да скопируются
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[16:47:44] tilarids: ну, ничего, у меня тоже рабочий день через полтора часика заканчивается. Попридержу болт для пираньи до понедельника
[16:47:45] Муркт: поподробнее, я ж говорю - два года не юзал
[16:47:59] sevenov: Муркт, (function(){....})(variable, ...)
[16:48:02] Муркт: tilarids: а ты в универе ещё учишься, или забил?
[16:48:06] red-agent: А этого пидора бородатого и след простыл =( Хуле, пришлось самому лезть туда. Думал точно поджарюсь нахер...
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[16:48:20] sevenov: red-agent, ты герой нашего времени.
[16:48:27] tilarids: Муркт: учусь, можно сказать. Но я туда почти не хожу
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[16:48:36] Муркт: sevenov: ну это ж считай то что хача сказал, только прям на месте
[16:48:43] sevenov: угу
[16:48:44] Муркт: всё равно ещё один уровень вложенности нужен
[16:48:47] Муркт: да?
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[16:49:13] sevenov: ну ты просто сво. оборачиваешь функцию в эээ, хз во что %)
[16:49:25] Муркт: ну я понил
[16:49:28] sevenov: s/сво.//
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[16:49:40] red-agent: sevenov, Да капец...
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[16:50:53] Муркт: где-то проебал
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[16:51:27] red-agent: Главное ж стоял этот щиток покоцанный хз сколько лет. И тут блядь эти ебаным соседям вздумалось его чинить... И пригласить для этого эту склеротическую, бородатую суку =(
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[16:52:58] 0lejka: бывает и хуже
[16:53:45] xa4a: если таки поджарит, ога
[16:54:22] 0lejka: или, если "склеротическую, бородатую суку" поджарит, после того как ты подаш питание
[16:54:30] 0lejka: *подашь
[16:54:51] Муркт: тогда выключаешь, и прячешься дома
[16:54:58] red-agent: Спаси генофонд человечества!
[16:55:00] 0lejka: хрен его знает, а вдруг он не забыл, а просто где-то на линии курочится
[16:55:11] 0lejka: кукорчится
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[16:55:22] red-agent: 0lejka, Хз сколько лет ничего не коротило, а тут вдруг стало?
[16:55:32] red-agent: Это чмо просто провода присоединить забыло.
[16:55:49] Муркт: не вспоминается стишок про электричество и бабку
[16:56:38] Portnov: ну на гэс вон 40 лет гайки не разбалтывались, а тут бабах - и разболтались :)
[16:56:41] 0lejka: ну если табличка не висела "не включать, работают люди"
[16:56:57] xa4a: Муркт: Недолго мучалась старушкаВ высоковольтных проводахЕё обугленную тушкуНашли тимуровцы в кустах
[16:57:03] Муркт: точно
[16:57:11] 0lejka: то можно смело включать... я, как Электрик в прощлой жизни, вам заявляю
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[16:57:35] Муркт: xa4a: только я помню в варианте "её обугленная тушка внушала долго птичкам страх"
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[16:59:00] Муркт: насколько я помню, никаких аналогов питонского i[:-2] в JS нету?
[16:59:26] Муркт: чем заменять?
[16:59:27] 0lejka: танцевать от лен
[16:59:36] 0lejka: ленгтх
[16:59:42] tilarids: гм, и самое веселое, что я не могу повторить этот opsterовский болт на минимальном примере :( Что-то там неочевидное происходит
[16:59:48] 0lejka: нормальный вариант
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[17:00:25] Typhon: Муркт: http://dumpz.org/12476/
[17:00:58] Муркт: Typhon: то какой-то пиздец.
[17:01:09] Typhon: то джаваскрипт
[17:01:11] Typhon: :)
[17:01:30] Муркт: как юзать? range(i, 0, -2)?
[17:01:41] 0lejka: это не тот ранж
[17:01:45] xa4a: _a(arguments)
[17:01:48] xa4a: wtf?
[17:02:02] Муркт: xa4a: это особая джаваскриптовая магия
[17:02:10] Typhon: http://dumpz.org/12477/
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[17:02:21] Муркт: на самом деле мне надо достать два последних слова из строки
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[17:02:34] Муркт: а ещё и split() не нашёл пока
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[17:02:41] 0lejka: тонцуй от ленгтх
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[17:03:02] xa4a: танцуй от регулярок!
[17:03:12] Муркт: да я щаз от радости танцевать начну
[17:03:13] xa4a: \w\s+\w$
[17:03:23] Муркт: xa4a: ааа!!! =)
[17:03:29] Typhon: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_slice_array.asp
[17:03:32] xa4a: (?<=\s)\w+\s+\w+$
[17:03:38] Typhon: хотя хз, работает со строками :)
[17:03:47] Typhon: ебаный пиздец какой-то, простите.
[17:03:51] Typhon: весь этот джс
[17:03:55] Муркт: дааа
[17:04:07] Муркт: вроде и то умеет, и то умеет - а какой же хуёвый на самом деле
[17:04:08] xa4a: джаваскрипт - чтобы по странице баннеры летали
[17:04:21] xa4a: а то какие-то слайсы, прототайпы..
[17:04:23] Муркт: xa4a: я пишу скрипт для гризманки
[17:04:36] xa4a: Муркт: я и говорю)
[17:04:58] Муркт: xa4a: а как там регулярки применять-то? import re не работает ведь =)
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[17:05:13] xa4a: там как-то просто s/ / /
[17:05:16] Муркт: а.
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[17:06:10] Муркт: хм, грызьманки ругается
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[17:07:34] xa4a: а консоль?
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[17:07:41] Муркт: ну, файрбаг то есть =)
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[17:07:54] Муркт: щас думаю как
[17:08:22] Муркт: ага, теперь invalid quantifier
[17:08:43] xa4a: это +
[17:08:54] xa4a: чо-то под окном стройка сдохла :\
[17:09:00] Муркт: лана, нафик
[17:09:10] xa4a: за несколько месяцев 10 этажей отгрохали, каждый день работали
[17:09:16] xa4a: а ца уже дней 5 - никого..
[17:09:25] xa4a: щ
[17:09:28] Typhon: паспорта вернули?
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[17:10:03] Муркт: у нас паспорта не отбирают на стройках
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[17:10:36] mishok13: Муркт, смотря на каких стройках
[17:11:00] Муркт: mishok13: ты работал на стройке, и у тебя отбирали паспорт?
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[17:11:46] xa4a: скорее бабки на выборы утекли
[17:12:10] xa4a: там же собирались какие-то выборы, да?
[17:12:11] mishok13: Муркт, у меня есть знакомый прораб :)
[17:12:29] Муркт: xa4a: та вроде в январе
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[17:12:44] tilarids: а сколько сейчас лимонов ценз?
[17:12:53] Муркт: один?
[17:13:05] tilarids: многовато
[17:13:11] tilarids: эти выборы пропустим :)
[17:13:21] Муркт: тебе незя ещё, ты маленький
[17:13:40] tilarids: с чего это мне нельзя? дискриминация!
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[17:18:48] sevenov: черт, снова опоздал.
[17:19:09] Муркт: =)
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[17:30:16] Большой Лис:
[kron ~]$ ps uax | grep gajim
kron 23466 0.9 6.1 866768 373076 ? Sl 09:00 4:41 /usr/bin/python -OO gajim.py
[17:30:21] Большой Лис: 340! метров сожрало
[17:30:22] Большой Лис: гадина
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[17:31:45] Муркт: http://mignews.com.ua/articles/370425.html бггггг
[17:31:53] Муркт: феерически
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[17:32:46] red-agent: Большой Лис: Hg?
[17:32:57] red-agent: А нет, не hg.
[17:33:08] red-agent: В hg я убрал -ОО и оставил -О
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[17:36:50] tilarids: Муркт: фу, что за гадость ты читаешь
[17:36:58] Муркт: это не я
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[17:37:50] tilarids: тогда прощен :)
[17:38:10] Муркт: блджад
[17:38:41] Муркт: похоже где-то синтаксическая ошибка в скрипте, и хрен же показывает что там
[17:38:44] Муркт: просто не запускается
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[17:39:55] Муркт: да, funtion было вместо function
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[17:57:53] tilarids: а какой темплейт engine посоветуете, если одно из основных требований - минимальность кода и быстродействие. Большое количество функционала не нужно, но % не предлагать :)
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[17:58:39] tilarids: думаю, если в темплейте можно будет использовать if и for, будет достаточно
[17:58:59] Муркт: жижнжа быстрая.
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[18:00:47] tilarids: Муркт: jinja2 как бы довольно крупная...
[18:00:55] Муркт: но быстрая.
[18:00:56] tilarids: хотя, мне она определенно нравится
[18:01:38] Муркт: а кто-то знает, как вешать события не на клик, а, например, на контрол+клик? jQuery
[18:01:39] tilarids: Муркт: мне всего-лишь нужно заменить несколько десятков file.write. Тянуть за собой джинджу.. Не знаю, не знаю
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[18:03:31] Муркт: xa4a? :)
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[18:26:01] sevenov: У меня есть вопрос.
[18:26:09] sevenov: Вот думаю, как бы его сформулировать.
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[18:30:21] mishok13: http://i42.tinypic.com/140x543.jpg
[18:30:27] mishok13: формулируй уже как-нибудь
[18:30:31] mishok13: мы заинтригованы
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[18:32:46] Муркт: mishok13: как в этой классификации будет выглядеть ассемблер и эрланг?
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[18:33:32] sevenov: О!
[18:33:35] sevenov: Итак, вопрос.
[18:33:44] sevenov: Как правильно формулировать вопрос.
[18:33:53] sevenov: s/./?/
[18:33:58] mishok13: Муркт, эрланг будет представлять из себя рации-ножи
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[18:35:38] Муркт: sevenov: поищи FAQ по этому поводу. Есть такой, "как правильно задавать вопросы"
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[18:46:03] Муркт: блин
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[18:46:05] Муркт: JS - говно
[18:46:21] Муркт: в консольке файрбага всё работает ок, из скрипта гризманки - нет
[18:46:35] Муркт: хотя я в консольку просто копипащу из скрипта
[18:46:41] Муркт: НАТЕ
[18:46:43] wiz: у меня сегодня такое было
[18:47:03] Муркт: как поборол?
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[18:53:29] wiz: нашёл syntax error в коде (=
[18:53:30] unk2k ☯: Муркт что то не так делаешь
[18:53:38] unk2k ☯: Муркт читай и ищи.
[18:54:03] unk2k ☯: нашел крутые иконки
[18:54:05] unk2k ☯: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3577251/2/istockphoto_3577251-color-computer-icons.jpg
[18:54:08] unk2k ☯: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3577251/2/istockphoto_3577251-color-computer-icons.jpg
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[18:55:47] Муркт: бля
[18:56:01] unk2k ☯: не классные ?
[18:56:02] Муркт: не ту переменную передавал
[18:56:09] denplis: unk2k ☯ неа
[18:56:10] unk2k ☯: ну вот видешь, как я тебе и говорил
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[18:56:32] unk2k ☯: denplis мне нужно что бы было - авто, грузовик, трактор, оборудование
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[18:56:36] unk2k ☯: очень сложно найти
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[18:59:42] wiz: фига там патчег
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[19:08:44] unk2k ☯: кстати вопрос, все здоровы (я про грипп)
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[19:16:59] unk2k ☯: wiz чем лечишся ?
[19:17:13] wiz: ничем
[19:17:38] unk2k ☯: wiz умереть можно ;(
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[21:17:03] sevenov: wiz, как ты меня нашел, демон? %))
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[21:18:17] wiz: в linux1.html
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[21:23:19] sevenov: wiz, ну вот.
[21:23:21] sevenov: =)
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[21:25:18] sevenov: гаджим такой гаджим.
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[21:34:30] red-agent: sevenov, При чем тут гаджим?
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[21:36:14] sevenov: red-agent, сожрал ~200мб оперативы
[21:36:35] red-agent:
[19:36:23] Darth Лис: у меня на работе gajim ухитрился за день отесть 350Мб
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[20:09:27] red-agent: Darth Лис, Там была утечка из-за спеллчекера.
[20:10:08] red-agent: И если много раз закрывать/открывать one-to-one чат -- текла память
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[21:47:46] sevenov: у меня tip без спеллчека.
[21:47:55] sevenov: мб -OO сменить на -O?
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[22:04:27] gigimon: скажите, нормально будет сделать контекст процессор, который будет с моделью работать? или лучше сделать тэг

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[22:05:15] gigimon: мне надо в каждый (ну точнее в base.html) передавать выборку модели
[22:05:21] gigimon: аля, последние комментарии
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[22:05:29] wiz: в контекст
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[22:05:39] wiz: если в base
[22:05:40] gigimon: ок)
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[22:08:27] red-agent: sevenov, Я и так уже сменил -OO на -O. Не понятно только при чем здесь это. Т.к. я сделал это по другим причинам.
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[22:09:03] red-agent: sevenov, Что значит без спеллчека...?
[22:09:21] red-agent: Намеренно что-ли?
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[22:12:40] sevenov: red-agent, ибо спеллчек не нужен
[22:12:47] sevenov: да и либ доставлять лень
[22:13:00] red-agent: Одну. Gtkspellcheck
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[22:13:10] red-agent: sevenov, А когда течь начало, в таком случае?
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[22:14:24] sevenov: red-agent, эээ, ну хз. Просто в какой-то момент начинает течь.
[22:14:57] red-agent: Гм. Ну в смысле когда это началось?
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[22:15:22] red-agent: Ты сейчас на tip? Когда pullил?
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[23:57:04] dmb: Привет!
Подскажите пожалуйста, что быстрее будет работать?
swig, sip или просто вызов C++ программки через popen()?
на сколько я понимаю sip лишь продвинутая обертка над swig - видимо, разницы не будет.
А вот стоит ли заморачиваться с этими sip/swig усли уже реализован вариант с popen()?
[23:58:22] xa4a: Муркт: ?