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[15:02:45] nmk: что-то тишина.
[15:02:49] nmk: давйте может попиздим за жизнь? :)
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[15:06:11] pymonk: nmk: дак а о чем то гвоорить? у меня например DNS встал . говорит не хочу рабоать
[15:06:42] nmk: а я вот учусь PILом накладывать на картинку картинку с прозрачностью..
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[15:17:50] mishok13: это полезное умение
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[15:19:14] nmk: да как-то просто оказалось. я то думал буду делать какую-то там крутую маску, как-то умно пастить. а у меня сработало просто img.paste(img2, (coords), img2) где img2 это то что надо напастить с прозрачностью
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[15:24:06] nmk: http://effbot.org/zone/pil-index.htm
[15:24:09] nmk: вот чего нарыл
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[15:46:45] Stefun: ку, хочу использовать djangotemplates вне джанго, но при рендере выдается ошибка об не ascii символах, бл как русский то в шаблонах чтоб заработал ?
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[15:47:50] Большой Лис: Stefun, jinja2 в стописят раз лучше и быстрее
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[15:47:58] Большой Лис: возьми лучше её
[15:48:24] Stefun: шо за jinja2 ? ыы синтаксис одинаковый ?
[15:48:37] Большой Лис: похож
[15:48:43] Большой Лис: но не одинаковый
[15:48:49] Большой Лис: у jinji лучше
[15:49:16] Stefun: бл, мне надо уже заставить работать что я знаю )
[15:49:40] Большой Лис: я ж грю, оно похоже
[15:49:45] Большой Лис: и при этом проще
[15:49:51] Большой Лис: и работает раз в 20 быстрее
[15:50:15] Stefun: ну и как ее использовать отдельно ?
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[15:51:27] Большой Лис: оно и есть отдельный шаблонный движок
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[15:52:34] Александp: Большой Лис, а у джинджи templatetags есть или это называется там extensions?
[15:52:38] Stefun: ясно щас попробуем
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[15:53:00] Большой Лис: Александp, есть. но так такие дурацкие как в джанги
[15:53:04] Большой Лис: а гораздо всё проще
[15:53:21] Stefun: ыы в принципе все очень похоже
[15:54:21] Александp: Большой Лис, а где можно на их применение взглянуть?
[15:54:47] Stefun: /me писец начал с parser3, потом джанго темплейт, и теперь jinja
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[15:56:26] Stefun: кстати никто parser3 не использовал от студии сами знаете кого ?
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[16:00:38] mishok13: ыххыххыхы
[16:00:50] mishok13: похапэшники в другой комнате
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[16:01:11] gigimon: Большой Лис: какие в джинже тэги?
[16:01:16] gigimon: Большой Лис: фильтры и экстеншены, что еще?
[16:01:21] Большой Лис: всё
[16:01:27] Большой Лис: других нет
[16:01:53] gigimon: аок, значит я не так понял твое высказывание выше)
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[16:02:09] gigimon: ну экстеншены немного посерьезнее чем тэги, как я понял
[16:02:12] Stefun: похапе? какое ? Parser3 не пхп ))
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[16:02:49] Александp: хм, т.е. это вот это http://jinja.pocoo.org/2/documentation/templates#extensions ?
[16:02:55] Александp: ок
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[16:06:39] Ляпатяпа: как в south откатить миграцию?
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[16:07:18] Stefun: Большой Лис как рендерить сразу из файла ?
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[16:08:51] Ляпатяпа: о, наверно это в комманд референс написнао
[16:09:24] Большой Лис: Stefun, ну как то так :)
[16:09:29] Большой Лис: разляни в референс
[16:09:55] Ляпатяпа: не, там нету
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[16:12:03] Ляпатяпа: все проще - надо мигрировать на предыдущую миграцию
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[16:12:26] Stefun: Большой Лис дай пример, прям рендер из файла с русскими буквами ))
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[16:13:41] Большой Лис: название файла русскими буквами? или шо?
[16:13:59] Stefun: в файле русские буквы ))
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[16:17:32] Typhon: Stefun: http://jinja.pocoo.org/2/documentation/api#unicode например?
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[16:23:54] Stefun: куда можно код запостить ?
[16:24:23] Typhon: dumpz.org, см. топик :)
[16:24:38] Stefun: ыы у меня в топике ничего нету
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[16:26:29] Большой Лис: Stefun, попробуй перезайти
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[16:27:10] Stefun: http://dumpz.org/12616/ - код , http://dumpz.org/12617/ ошибка
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[16:28:03] Stefun: ыы, чет никак не пойму где кодировку то выставить?
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[16:28:45] Александp: а у тебя шаблон в какой кодировке?
[16:28:56] Александp: и в какой ты посылаешь пользователю
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[16:29:03] Stefun: utf-8
[16:29:56] Stefun: мож блин файл в не той кодировке, бл
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[16:42:52] joinordie: привет всем!!! подскажите, никак не пойму как работать с БД из моделей. в джангобуке описано создание таблиц описывая моделиь. а если таблицы уже существуют?
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[16:43:58] sevenov: joinordie, если существуют, удали.
[16:45:00] joinordie: т.е нельзя подключиться к сущ. таблице, котороая используется, и вытянуть данные, обязятельно нужно создавать через модели ?
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[16:47:05] AlexKiriukha: Можно для работы со старыми данными, но лучше делать через модели
[16:47:38] wonderfulll: сделай модель, потом импортни из старой
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[16:48:15] joinordie: дело в том что та таблица постоянно меняется, и мне просто необходимо из нее подтягивать данные
[16:49:58] wonderfulll: ну можно что-нибуть через sqlalchemy замутить =)
[16:50:36] joinordie: ага, и в джанге костыли
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[16:51:34] wonderfulll: почему костыли, ситуация такая просто
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[16:52:09] joinordie: ясно. я делал так, создал подключение, курсор, выбрал данные, закрыл, но тут сказали что это не есть гуд и я еще один пхпешник. но так было проще.
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[16:53:08] wonderfulll: главное чтобы работало нормально =)
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[16:56:47] joinordie: та работает оно нормально, только когда код кидаеш для того что бы тебе объясникли то отправлюют курить мануалы мотивируя тем что это кривокод.
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[16:57:25] wonderfulll: joinordie: а что мешает заменить существующие таблицы джанговыми?
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[17:00:25] joinordie: есть почтовик, он юзает базу для спам фильтра. боюсь что то испортить в БД, откуда я знаю что джанга добавит.
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[17:01:02] AlexKiriukha: Она как бы пишет, что будет добавлять :-)
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[17:01:23] wonderfulll: а что сделать то хочешь?
[17:01:30] joinordie: просто хочу прикрутить что то типа вебморды, для этого хочу заюзать джангу.
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[17:02:08] wonderfulll: тока вывод нужен или возмозности редактирования тоже?
[17:02:31] joinordie: пока хотябы вывод
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[17:03:07] joinordie: обчным скриптом я такое за 30 минут сделаю, с редактированием, удаление и т.д.
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[17:03:40] joinordie: но надоело юзать костыли, хочу изучть фреймворк, вот и выбрал джангу
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[17:04:30] wonderfulll: ну мож попробывать назвать поля в Джанге аналогично базы фильтра
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[17:04:51] joinordie: всмысле когда модель описывать буду?
[17:04:55] wonderfulll: да
[17:05:03] joinordie: а заработает?
[17:05:10] wonderfulll: задать такое же имя таблицы и полей
[17:05:16] wonderfulll: не уверен =)
[17:05:22] joinordie: я пока просто принцип хочу уловить, пробовать буду позже
[17:05:42] wonderfulll: пошаманить придётся наверно
[17:05:53] joinordie: и нафик тогда джанга?
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[17:06:12] wonderfulll: не зачем
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[17:07:07] wonderfulll: можно и простым ВёбПи обойтись или Торнадо каким =)
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[17:09:10] Большой Лис: wonderfulll, но к БД полюбому придётся цепляться
[17:09:33] wonderfulll: ну так какие проблемы там встроеные средства есть
[17:10:01] wonderfulll: к mysql только что
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[17:10:45] wonderfulll: если по мощнее чё надо то Алхимия
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[17:11:08] joinordie: а зачем усложнять если можно проще сделать?
[17:11:53] wonderfulll: почему усложнять
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[17:12:54] wonderfulll: всё просто =)
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[17:13:13] joinordie: потому что придется стаить и чихлить что оно за фигня Алхимия
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[17:13:56] wonderfulll: ну так это совсем не лишнее знание, пригодиться
[17:14:33] joinordie: я одного не пойму, чем
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[17:15:17] joinordie: connection = MySQLdb.connect(user='me', passwd='letmein', db='my_db')
cursor = connection.cursor()
cursor.execute("SELECT name FROM books ORDER BY pub_date DESC LIMIT 10")
for row in cursor.fetchall():
print "<li>%s</li>" % row[0]
[17:15:34] joinordie: такой код хуже алхимии ?
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[17:17:49] AlexKiriukha: Кстати, ЕМНИП fetchall() не обязателен
[17:17:57] AlexKiriukha: Или нужно?
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[17:18:09] AlexKiriukha: Давно не пробовал, хочу освежить память :-)
[17:18:40] joinordie: джанга тогда полная фигня получается со своими моделями. или я не прав? объяните
[17:18:59] wonderfulll: ну хотябы объектностью лучше
[17:19:17] joinordie: но для того что создается с нуля?
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[17:20:45] wonderfulll: у джанги своя система для работы с базами
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[17:21:09] wonderfulll: как говориться не хочешь не используй
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[17:21:49] joinordie: да это я уже понял. но если не использовать модели, то нафик она нужна? или это часный случай. или я чего то не догоняю
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[17:23:23] wonderfulll: почему много полезных библиотек, нормальная структура пригожения, урл маппинг, темплейты
[17:23:30] wonderfulll: и.т.д.
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[17:23:55] wonderfulll: много разных полезностей если капнуть глубже
[17:24:16] joinordie: wonderfulll: ну я начал с того что мне первое понадобилось и тут такой бок.
[17:24:54] wonderfulll: Джанга это не уневерсальный инструмент на все случаи жизни!
[17:25:09] joinordie: ну пиарят его все
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[17:25:22] joinordie: а чуть копни, одни костыли. cgi рулит короче
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[17:26:13] wonderfulll: ну можно и на Си писать не кто не запрещает =)
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[17:26:50] joinordie: wonderfulll: шутник
[17:27:17] AlexKiriukha: Кэп подсказывает, что не нравится - не ешь :-)
[17:27:22] wonderfulll: пишешь на чём умеешь и не паришься, если тебе удобно на cgi, пиши в чём проблемы =)
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[17:28:38] joinordie: wonderfulll: иногда код розрастается и сам в нем парюсь, потому что там ничего не структурировано, потом его сложно дописывать.
[17:29:06] wonderfulll: ну MVT тебе в помощь =)
[17:29:18] joinordie: ага, и что я вижу?
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[17:29:46] joinordie: MVT еще запутеней получается чем обычный cgi скрипт
[17:30:16] wonderfulll: MVC тоесть
[17:30:24] joinordie: не важно
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[17:30:31] joinordie: мы другдруга поняли
[17:30:57] wonderfulll: ну лево как-то разделил логику приложения значит
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[17:40:09] joinordie: wonderfulll: а в джанге есть класс Pagianator, о тоже работает только с данными которые через модели описаны?
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[17:42:02] Typhon: http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/models/pagination/
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[18:54:34] denz: sevenov: надолго? это запланированно, или неожиданно?
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[19:48:17] bobry: товарищи, что для xmpp порекомендуете?
[19:48:25] wiz: gajim
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[19:49:09] bobry: в смысле библиотеку, не ясно выразился что то
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[19:50:01] wiz: конечная цель то какая у тебя?
[19:50:09] wiz: бот? транспорт? вебсервис?
[19:50:11] wiz: логгер
[19:50:13] wiz: игра?
[19:50:19] wiz: AMPQ?
[19:50:35] bobry: бот
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[20:02:28] bobry: ну - первый результат гугла, хотелось бы послушать того, кто его использовал чтоли
[20:02:49] wiz: я использовал. используй и ты.
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[20:04:19] joinordie: а с этой конферции логи пишуться?
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[20:05:19] Ляпатяпа: пишутся
[20:05:22] sevenov: denz, ну хз, я не админ.
[20:05:27] joinordie: а куда?
[20:05:32] sevenov: bobry, twisted же.
[20:05:35] Ляпатяпа: в топике ссылка
[20:05:43] sevenov: точнее, twisted words
[20:06:00] Ляпатяпа: я писал простенького бота на xmpppy, юзабельно
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[20:06:19] Ляпатяпа: Логи: http://➡.ws/pu
[20:06:42] bobry:
sevenov: ща гляну, сенк
[20:07:56] joinordie: Ляпатяпа: не заметил. спасибо
[20:09:53] joinordie: Ляпатяпа: так там все заканчивается августом
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[20:10:15] Ляпатяпа: надо хаче сказать
[20:10:20] Ляпатяпа: права поди не выставлены
[20:10:24] Ляпатяпа: на директорию
[20:10:29] joinordie: Ыыы
[20:10:44] Ляпатяпа: silent_bob, где логи?
[20:10:48] joinordie: или она не создана
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[20:13:19] jedgar: bobry: под виндой я както фрека поковырял, бот как бот, работал без глюков, но имхо допиливать надо многое
[20:13:26] jedgar: http://code.google.com/p/jabber/wiki/freq_and_talisman_for_windows
[20:13:39] bobry: мне от него пока много и не хочется
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[20:13:45] jedgar: одна из первых попавшихся ссылок
[20:13:58] sevenov: ваши боты - говно.
[20:14:18] AlexKiriukha: А ваши? :-)
[20:14:53] bobry: pytrolling.enable()
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[21:18:27] Мозгошредер: Кто-то с тасками в GAE работал?
[21:18:36] Мозгошредер: что єто вообще такое и для чего оно? :Ґ
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[21:20:17] wiz: фоновые задачи
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[21:24:55] Мозгошредер: wiz, оони сами исполняются или их пинать надо?
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[21:26:27] wiz: дёрнул,исполнилось
[21:26:29] wiz: не как крон
[21:26:33] wiz: для периодики там другое есть
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[21:27:46] sevenov: wiz, пёрнул....
[21:28:44] wiz: да? а я и не заметил... пардон
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[21:29:30] Stefan: http://dumpz.org/12625/ - код cgi скрипта, ошибка - http://dumpz.org/12626/, где выставить правильно кодировку
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[21:30:20] sevenov: wiz, да ниче, и не такие свиньи бывают.
[21:30:45] wiz: ну ок
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[21:32:00] Stefan: ыы самое интересное если python index.py , то все как надо, бл походу через cgi чего-то не то
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[21:42:36] Stefan: короче мож кому интересно как заработало,
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[21:44:20] Stefan: http://dumpz.org/12629/ во, через сплошное перекодирование
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[22:57:30] Большой Лис: какая там недавно появилась новая key-value БД
[22:57:37] Большой Лис: на апач.орг хостится
[22:57:38] Большой Лис: ?
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[22:59:39] Большой Лис: cassandra же!
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[23:00:33] sevenov: Большой Лис, еще одна? Да сколько же их еще будет?
[23:00:44] Большой Лис: хз
[23:00:51] Большой Лис: пока не сделаю нормальную
[23:01:05] sevenov: Большой Лис, на жабе же.
[23:01:08] sevenov: она
[23:01:09] Большой Лис: мишок говорил что касандра вроде самая прикольная
[23:01:16] sevenov: http://wiki.apache.org/cassandra/GettingStarted
[23:01:19] Большой Лис: ну и хер
[23:01:23] Большой Лис: шо на жабе
[23:01:26] sevenov: кагбэ jdk6 и ant нужны.
[23:01:30] Большой Лис: и чо?
[23:01:33] sevenov: я к тому, что она гигантская
[23:01:41] sevenov: один ant чего только стоит.
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[23:46:58] bobry: товарищи, можно ли как нибудь по хитрому отфильтровать из словаря все элементы с None values; не хочется filter(lambda kv: kv[1], dict.iteritems())
[23:48:07] xa4a: lambda kv: kv[1] <==> operator.itemgetter(1) разве что
[23:49:01] bobry: ну это не интересно :) жалко нету каокго нить valuegetter :)
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[23:51:20] xa4a: dict(k,v for k,v in d.iteritems() if v is not None), чо
[23:51:57] bobry: ну кстати да :)
[23:52:31] bobry: я недавно только узнал что можно писать такого рода выражения, раньше все в двойных скобах делал dict((k, v for k, v in d.items()))
[23:52:35] bobry: теперь скобок убавилось)
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