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[00:53:58] bobry: есть контакт?
[00:54:33] bobry: подскажите, как в питоне коротко и красиво создать массив m x n заполненый нулями
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[01:01:13] bobry:
>>> n, m = 2, 3
>>> arr = [[0]*n]*m
>>> arr
[[0, 0], [0, 0], [0, 0]]
>>> arr[0][1] = 2
>>> arr
[[0, 2], [0, 2], [0, 2]]
>>>

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[11:33:29] RaD: народ, есть модель связанная по GenericRelation, точнее, есть Группа и есть Фотки, группа имеет generic relation на фотки, надо как-то привязать одну фотку в качестве главной
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[11:33:54] RaD: я понимаю, что можно сделать простой fk, есть сомнения, вдруг возможны засады
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[11:37:47] tilarids: RaD: есть прикольный вариант - можно унаследоваться от GenericRelation и засунуть туда свою модель, тогда ты в этой модели сможешь прописать булевое поле
[11:38:13] tilarids: или посмотреть, может, в джанге уже можно делать в GenericRelation through?
[11:38:22] RaD: можно
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[11:39:18] RaD: просто я зациклился вот на чём, через GR фотки добавляются внизу, подобно инлайнам, там я могу галку поставить у нужной фотки (а fk будет выделяться)
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[11:39:55] RaD: затем мне в шаблоне надо вывести эту главную фотку, щас я тупо делаю {{ band.photo.all.0.file.path }}
[11:40:29] RaD: а желательно так {{ band.photo.get_main.file.path|.. }}
[11:40:45] xa4a: может ты проперти хочешь? :)
[11:40:54] tilarids: RaD: ну, можно функцию get_main сделать
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[11:41:23] RaD: в модель Photo или в Band?
[11:41:35] RaD: думаю в последнбб
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[12:21:27] tilarids: мм, и нафига pygtk требует в зависимостях numpy?
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[12:25:56] tilarids: взяли, испортили всю малину :(
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[12:53:10] tilarids: RaD: это программеры такие. Как я понял, pygtk юзает какую-то мелкодурацкую фиговинку из numpy
[12:53:14] tilarids: пока не нашел в каком.
[12:53:19] tilarids: как найду - буду исправлять :)
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[12:57:17] xa4a: что самое интересное: /usr/portage/distfiles/pygtk-2.16.0 ξ ack numpy выдаёт только configure и setup.py
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[13:03:25] tilarids: xa4a: может, когда давно использовалось. :)
[13:03:29] tilarids: В общем, посмотрим :)
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[13:22:47] xa4a: гхм
[13:22:51] xa4a: а вот если есть поле
[13:22:58] xa4a: в субд и джанге соотв
[13:23:10] xa4a: которое хочу заполнять автоматически из сиквенса
[13:23:19] xa4a: по умолчанию
[13:23:26] RaD: и это поле не айди?
[13:23:28] xa4a: но если хочется - можно было вручную задать значение
[13:23:32] xa4a: не айди, да
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[13:23:54] xa4a: сделал вот просто integerfield, прописал ему сиквенс ручками
[13:24:01] RaD: хз, думаю надо переопределить save() и там делать нужное
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[13:24:49] xa4a: проблема в том, что если хочу получить значение из сиквенса вручную - просто при инсерте не пишу это поле
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[13:25:20] xa4a: а если джангой в поле ничего не вписать, то оно NULL посылает, и соотв, IntegrityError: null value in column "order" violates not-null constraint
[13:25:31] RaD: ну да, делаешь для модели def save(), в котором вручную получаешь значение и пихаешь в инстанс модели, а потом зовешь базовый save()
[13:25:47] RaD: почитай про blank=True
[13:26:03] RaD: и сделай ему widget=Hidden
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[13:31:07] xa4a: Note that this is different than null. null is purely database-related, whereas blank is validation-related.
[13:31:14] xa4a: сделал blank=True
[13:31:20] xa4a: но, кажется, это не из той оперы
[13:31:36] RaD: в поле значение должно быть всегда?
[13:31:44] RaD: и с формы ты его не получаешь?
[13:31:59] RaD: тогда всё правильно
[13:32:06] xa4a: с формы могу получать, могу не получать. если не получаю - хочу, чтобы оно из БД бралось из сиквенса
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[13:32:44] RaD: ну нормально, blank=True позволяет это, в save проверяешь заполненность поля, если пустое, то ... (см. выше)
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[13:33:04] xa4a: где ... == реализовать сиквенс в питон-коде
[13:33:11] xa4a: хотелось именно этого избежать
[13:33:21] xa4a: ну ок, перетяну сюда его..
[13:33:31] RaD: чтобы избежать, глянь в доку, возможно ли это
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[13:34:12] RaD: и я реализовать не предлагал, я рекомендовал _получить_ значение из сиквенса и засунуть в поле
[13:34:26] xa4a: а, гм
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[13:48:27] xa4a: вот подстава получается. Выдрал текущее значение сиквенса, написав модель под его таблицу, подставил это значение в своё поле, а изменить сам сиквенс получается нельзя
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[13:48:59] xa4a: >ProgrammingError: нельзя изменить последовательность "media_photo_order_seq"
[13:49:08] xa4a: грр
[13:49:09] RaD: ты с сиквенсами работал?
[13:49:17] RaD: в общем смысле?
[13:49:37] xa4a: почитал только что документации немного
[13:49:47] xa4a: обычно ограничивалось словом serial
[13:49:56] RaD: сиквенс автоматом добавляет себе единицу при выдаче значения
[13:50:04] xa4a: при nextval('seq_name') ага
[13:50:13] RaD: ну, а тебе чего
[13:50:18] xa4a: а мне из орма хотелось
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[13:52:16] xa4a: хотя если уже юзать сиквенсы, то переносимость тут, похоже, заканчивается и можно можно писать голый sql :)
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[13:52:55] RaD: либо ты решаешь не ту задачу
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[13:55:18] xa4a: моя задача - сортировка фоток, которые, относясь к одному логическому объекту, могут ссылаться на разные через genericforeignkey. для этого решил сделать сквозное поле order порядка, которое по умолчанию заполнять сиквенсом так, что последние фотки будут по-любому в конце, для каждого логического объекта, но, если надо, их можно было бы переставлять местами (читай задавать order вручную)
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[15:20:10] feedbot: Python: theta coefficient for ranked (ordered) column categories. http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9nzju/python_theta_coefficient_for_ranked_ordered/
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[15:28:40] xa4a: гхм. а как по-англицки сказать магистраская работа? типа дипломная
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[15:30:40] Typhon: Master?
[15:30:45] Typhon: Master's degree -- степень
[15:30:54] mishok13: Master's Degree
[15:30:55] Typhon: наверное и работа -- производное что-нибудь будет
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[15:31:00] mishok13: или еще проще
[15:31:01] mishok13: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplom
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[15:31:37] Dimka: diploma - диплом
[15:32:05] tilarids: thesis?
[15:32:29] tilarids: не знаю, можно ли магистерское так назвать, но всё же
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[15:33:05] mishok13: working on my master's degree и всё тут
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[15:35:07] xa4a: а если "тема работы", master's degree subject - не то ведь
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[15:38:00] xa4a: о, master's degree research
[15:38:07] xa4a: уже ближе
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[15:48:19] tilarids: master's thesis таки
[15:48:51] mishok13: http://bzr-day.blogspot.com/2009/09/bazaar-20.html
[15:48:53] mishok13: это ад
[15:48:55] tilarids: если верить гуглу и вики
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[18:26:48] wiz: google translate
[18:27:07] jedgar: он часто тупит
[18:27:39] jedgar: хотя ниче лучше пока и не попадалось
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[18:33:00] jedgar: есть неплохие сайты с фразами и словосочетаниями, но это долго, хочется более автоматизированный вариант
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[19:24:24] GrimbleGromble: есть смысл сейчас писать аякс запросы без использования сторонних либ? или лучше использовать jquery etc?
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[19:26:12] sevenov: GrimbleGromble, зависит от задачи.
[19:26:20] sevenov: а вообще, время дороже.
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[19:28:05] wiz: не стоит.
[19:28:32] wiz: где один запрос, там и два... а через неделю будет лес костылей и грабельное поле вокруг
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[19:43:46] sevenov: да, в мемориз.
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[20:08:46] jedgar: а в исходниках первой строчкой: "Осторожно, ГРАБЛИ!"
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[20:45:29] unk2k: что за бред
oracle -> NUMBER
почему он не принимает float(100.0)
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[20:54:01] Portnov: а вот тоже. У меня в питоне 2.5.2 str(x), где type(x)==float, использует в качестве decimal separator то точку, то запятую, чуть ли не рандомно.
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[20:54:31] Большой Лис: это от локали зависит
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[20:54:36] Большой Лис: разделитель
[20:54:42] Portnov: дык в одном процессе
[20:54:56] Большой Лис: ну хз, мож переключается где то?
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[20:55:48] Portnov: у меня в одной функции дампится в файл некая структура данных, содержащая float-ы. И в файле оказываются точки с запятыми вперемешку.
[20:57:57] jedgar: мож тысячи так отделяет?
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[21:05:18] unk2k: Portnov wtf ??
[21:05:46] Portnov: именна чта wtf.
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[21:06:59] unk2k: cutwater WTF ??
[21:07:06] cutwater: что WTF ?
[21:07:09] unk2k: т.е. можно задать разделитель ?
[21:07:14] unk2k: . или ,
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