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[04:31:33] bobry: есть кто живой, люди?
[04:32:38] sevenov: bobry: частично
[04:34:43] bobry: sevenov: не подскажешь, как по-цивильному создавать таблицы с заранее неизвестным именем в sqlite3
[04:35:06] bobry: если в cur.execute('CREATE TABLE... сунуть placeholder, оно ругается
[04:35:48] sevenov: создать таблицу до того, как задать ей имя?
[04:36:16] bobry: эм, а так можно?
[04:36:34] sevenov: Ээээ. Ниибу. Идиотизм.
[04:36:43] sevenov: Я не понял, что ты хочешь.
[04:38:11] bobry: мне надо создавать таблицы, имя которых не известно, в docs.python.org пишут что использовать стандартное форматирование строк не айс, по понятным причинам, и рекомедуют везде сувать placeholders
[04:39:26] bobry: а с placeholders получается вот как:
>>> cur.execute('CREATE table ?(test INTEGER)', ['sometable', ])
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
sqlite3.OperationalError: near "?": syntax error
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[09:01:13] wiz_: какая самая труъ разметка есть? очень желательно, чтобы можно было для ссылок свои хэндлери регистрировать.
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[09:12:08] wiz_: а какой лучше? rest мне в своё время больно напряжным для юзера показался. чуть что - сразу в кашу всё.
[09:12:43] wiz_: мне б что-нибудь чуть побогаче |linebreaks с возможностями interwiki (:
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[10:59:38] unk2k: уттро
[10:59:44] unk2k: проблема у меня такая
у меня есть Компания, Счета
Мне нужно вывести дерево
Компания ООО Нептун
-Счет 200
-Счет 201
Компания ООО Карго
-Счет 804
-Счет 808
Все классно получается, но еще мне нужно сделать поиск по счетам (я ввожу в поле поиска `804`) и должно получится следующее
Компания ООО Карго
-Счет 804
а в реальности получается
Компания ООО Карго
-Счет 804
-Счет 808
Запрос я делаю так
Comanyes.objects.filter(client_id=10001, dealings__deal_num=804)
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[11:11:04] unk2k: ну чего ? все сложно тут ?
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[11:13:15] wiz_: попробуй разбить фильтр
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[11:25:49] Izvr: я вот что хотел спросить, можно ли как то настраивать id-шники html-форм, которые мне возвращают джанговские модел-формы
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[11:30:12] unk2k: wiz_
.filter(field1=1, field2=100) => select * from ..... where filed1=1 and field2=100
.filter(field1=1).filter(field2=100) => select * from ..... where filed1=1 OR field2=100
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[11:39:27] Izvr: нашел вроде
[11:39:29] Izvr: в книжке
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[11:51:48] unk2k: Izvr зачем тебе это нужно делать ?
[11:51:54] unk2k: и что ты имеешь ввиду :
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[11:52:14] unk2k: там есть prefix='id_%' так помоему
[11:52:54] Portnov: товарищи, подскажите плиз хорошую литературу по юнит-тестам и вобще TDD, оч. желательно на русском
[11:53:19] bobry: ребят, я тут ночью вопрос по sqlite поднимал, про создание таблиц с параметризованным именем, никто ничего не добавит?
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[11:56:46] Ляпатяпа: Portnov, сейчас читаю кента - XP, теория и маркетинг (в плохом смысле этого слова), когда осилю - перейду к тому же Кенту - XP: TDD
[11:56:56] Ляпатяпа: уже скачал djvu
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[11:57:42] Portnov: XP эт конечно хорошо
[11:58:45] Ляпатяпа: пока я вообще не понимаю как делать модульные тесты в моей ситуации
[11:59:05] Ляпатяпа: функциональные худо-бедно накарябал
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[11:59:23] Portnov: тут забавная ситуация: есть нек-рое кол-во эмм.. таксть программистов, которые пишут код, который миллионы баксов туда-сюда перекидывает. Запятая не там - мильон не на тот счёт (говорят, прецеденты были). При этом эти товарищи про tdd какбе слышали, но считают что это им не надо.
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[12:00:54] mishok13: TDD хуита, BDD FTW
[12:00:55] Portnov: вот я и думаю - может им книжки какие подсунуть можно...
[12:01:15] mishok13: Бека
[12:01:17] Ляпатяпа: на русском кроме Кента я ничего не видел
[12:01:22] Portnov: bdd - это шо? brain-driven developement? )
[12:01:34] Ляпатяпа: а на английском даже не искал
[12:01:39] mishok13: это, кстати, интересная расшифровка :)
[12:01:40] red-agent: behavior driven development
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[12:02:29] mishok13: но возвращаясь к вопросу о книгах -- книги не помогут, если нету code review и прочей корпоративной шняги
[12:03:22] Portnov: ну про внедрение xp и прочих хороших штук книжки вон пишут, это за неделю не внедришь )
[12:03:45] Ляпатяпа: надо постепенно внедрять
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[12:04:46] Ляпатяпа: /me К.О.
[12:05:02] mishok13: это как постепенно внедрять шприц с вакциной
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[12:05:06] mishok13: неделями, блять
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[12:06:07] mishok13: и еще: XP -- это методика управления проектами, TDD -- методика разработки
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[12:09:17] tilarids: Portnov: можешь прочитать статью в вики и одну-две статейки в блогах - тебе этого будет достаточно. В любом случае внедрение TDD с теоретической точки зрения существенно отличается от практической точки зрения
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[12:32:03] jedgar: !g TDD
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[12:34:51] jedgar: tilarids: это как? на практике на работает?
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[12:35:50] Portnov: в теории, теория не отличается от практики. А на практике - наоборот.
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[12:37:20] tilarids: jedgar: на практике всё намного сложнее. Идеального применения TDD даже в простых случаях я не видел. А если написание тестов технически сложно или системы сложные, то TDD вообще искажается очень сильно
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[12:39:13] jedgar: я так понимаю сложность в том что надо много времени, чтобы сделать достаточно сложные разнообразные тесты?
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[12:41:43] tilarids: jedgar: сложность в создании окружения, в котором будут работать эти тесты. Сами тесты могут быть простыми и понятными, но чтобы они работали, понадобится море helperов, море ненужного кода, моки на каждый чих...
[12:44:00] jedgar: ну дык, это все возможно, просто много времени надо, необходимость которого менеджеру мягко говоря неочевидна
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[12:45:05] jedgar: но когда миллионы уйдут не туда, или какай-нить ракета не туда полетит, тогда станет очевидно %)
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[12:45:49] tilarids: jedgar: не только менеджеру. Если программисты разумные, то им тоже должно быть понятно, когда нужно писать тесты, а когда - нет
[12:46:15] tilarids: jedgar: проекты с ракетами и миллионами совсем по особому должны менеджится, ИМХО
[12:46:55] red-agent: tilarids, Юнит-тесты, как правило, простыми не бывает.
[12:47:49] red-agent: Рано или поздно они разрастаются в кучу говнокода.
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[12:48:02] tilarids: red-agent: в зависимости от разрабатываемого программного обеспечения. Вот под джангу юнит-тесты (и не только юнит) писать очень классно
[12:48:52] red-agent: Ну я сужу по собственному опыту...
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[12:50:22] tilarids: > Рано или поздно они разрастаются в кучу говнокода.
Рано или поздно <подставить что угодно> разрастается в кучу говнокода.
fixed :)
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[12:51:19] RaD: это зависит от "манагера"
[12:51:41] RaD: в моих проектах рано или поздно говнокод превращается в тыкву )
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[12:59:55] jedgar: имхо, в первую очередь зависит от понимающего манагера
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[13:08:48] red-agent: tilarids, Но не в таких масштабах.
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[13:09:12] red-agent: В дире tests/ обычно лежит самый говнистый код по отношению к остальному коду проекта.
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[13:09:33] red-agent: Из-за специфики его юз-кейса.
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[13:20:06] tilarids: red-agent: согласен. Но не вижу в этом ничего особо плохого. К тестам же не предъявляется таких требований. И обычно они пускаются не на реальных данных, так что ничего испортить не могут :)
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[13:20:56] red-agent: Дело не в том, что они могут или не могут что-то испортить. А в простой констатации факта их говнистости.
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[13:22:09] tilarids: red-agent: так я не спорю, я доказываю, что это не так и плохо
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[13:23:32] red-agent: Ну, все конечно относительно, но факт остается остается фактом.
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[14:07:05] kawaikunee: доброго дня
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[14:07:58] kawaikunee: Есть кто-нибудь, кто не прочь оказать помощь в pylons
[14:08:49] kawaikunee: буду краток
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[14:10:11] kawaikunee: u=model.Session.query(model.Sections).get(id)
u.__dict__['active'] = 1 # не работает
u.active=1 # работает
Чего я не понимаю?
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[14:11:37] red-agent: Того, что active не лежит в неймспейсе обьекта, а генерируется динамически.
[14:11:43] red-agent: Зачем ты вообще полез в __dict__?
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[14:12:41] Большой Лис: может это в пилонах так принято
[14:12:42] Большой Лис: :)
[14:12:53] kawaikunee: dir(u) выдет, что active есть в дикте
[14:12:55] red-agent: Не смешная шутка.
[14:13:11] red-agent: kawaikunee, dir() выдает не только то, что есть в __dict__
[14:13:21] kawaikunee: ага
[14:13:28] red-agent: dir() выдает все, что есть включая то, что отдается по inheritance tree.
[14:13:52] kawaikunee: зачем я полез в __dict__
[14:14:16] kawaikunee: получаю удаленно имя поля в БД и хочу его обработать
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[14:14:32] red-agent: getattr('name', object)
[14:14:33] kawaikunee: как к нему еще можно обратиться, имея его в переменной
[14:14:36] red-agent: Почитай доки что-ли.
[14:14:45] kawaikunee: оппа
[14:14:52] kawaikunee: вот тут то глаза и раскрылись
[14:15:02] red-agent: *getattr(object, 'name')
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[14:15:14] kawaikunee: в мое случае setattr
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[14:15:26] red-agent: Да хоть hasattr
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[14:18:26] kawaikunee: О да. Все отлично работет.
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[14:19:02] kawaikunee: red-agent: спасибо, что не проигнорировали
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[14:20:31] red-agent: Игнорируют здесь редко. Чаще всего ментально укатывают в асфальт с использованием не цензурной лексики, в исполнении моей скромной персоны. Но по-скольку я простудился и наглотался таблеток -- мне уже просто фиолетово ^_^
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[14:21:09] red-agent: В прямом смысле выражения...
[14:21:11] red-agent: /me протер глаза
[14:21:45] kawaikunee: В каких случаях укатывают
[14:22:03] kawaikunee: в случаях хорошего здоровья?
[14:22:20] red-agent: В случаях, если человек не прочел документацию, прежде чем задавать вопрос.
[14:23:05] kawaikunee: ясно. почему-то выбило из головы про setattr
[14:23:21] kawaikunee: доки рулят это верно
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[15:22:03] pzskc383: на гуглвейв инвайтов еще нет?
[15:22:34] mishok13: дался вам этот гугельвейв
[15:22:53] mishok13: читай XEPы -- больше пользы будет
[15:23:21] pzskc383: читал, кто реализовывать будет
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[15:24:17] pzskc383: mishok13: вообще предлагать читать xep после такого вопроса, это как отправлять читать rfc2616 в ответ на "как настроить апач"
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[15:24:27] pzskc383: т.е. полезно конечно, но к делу не совсем относится
[15:24:40] mishok13: к делу это как раз и относится
[15:24:45] pzskc383: *читать XEP
[15:24:52] mishok13: пушо гуглевейв пока что ничего из себя не представляет
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[16:06:12] dicos: Вопрос о джанго: в терминале я могу соединиться с постгресом командой "psql -d mysite -h localhost -U postgres". С настройками http://govnokod.com/1603 при запуске команды "python manage.py syncdb" вылезает ошибка: psycopg2.OperationalError: FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "postgres". Где-то я ошибся в настройках?
[16:06:34] wiz_: укажи DATABASE_HOST="localhost"
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[16:07:20] dicos: wiz_, спасибо, помогло
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[17:36:39] Mr.Floppy: Здравствуйте. А неужели в питоне нет функции frac? Только x - math.floor(x)?
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[17:37:40] mishok13: а что должна делать функция frac?
[17:37:57] Mr.Floppy: Получать дробную часть числа
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[17:39:31] mishok13: доку читал?
[17:39:52] Mr.Floppy: Которую?
[17:39:55] mishok13: честно скажи "не читал, ленюсь"
[17:39:58] mishok13: http://docs.python.org/dev/library/math
[17:40:02] Mr.Floppy: И?
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[17:40:45] Mr.Floppy: А, ну да =) Спасибо
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[20:42:08] mr.oduvan: прикольный ник
[20:42:25] mr.oduvan: Mr.Floppy, Mr.A:\
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[20:43:05] mr.oduvan: народ, а кто нить знает, как в IPython раскрашивать выводимые данные?
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[20:43:48] mr.oduvan: ну вообще как в терминал выводить в разных цветах?
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[20:44:38] wiz: mr.oduvan, http://www.siafoo.net/snippet/88
[20:45:14] mr.oduvan: ооо... круто!!! дякую!
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[20:51:13] Александp: а каких блоги русских питонистов, кроме Ивана Сагалаева и Дениса Откидача можно почитать?
а если таковых нет и не русских можно
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[21:49:29] Муркт: wiz: а как под виндой цветным печатать - знаешь?
[21:49:41] Муркт: только через ридлайн?
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[21:50:36] wiz: если джанговский sql умеет цветом печатать в венде, то глянь как там сделано - там кастомная обёртка какая-то
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[21:51:15] Муркт: ага, пасиба
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[21:59:17] Муркт: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/384076/how-can-i-make-the-python-logging-output-to-be-colored тоже интересно
[22:00:03] Муркт: wiz: в винде через ctypes.windll.kernel32.GetStdHandle делают в моей ссылке
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[23:04:29] Александp: error: unable to write sha1 filename ./objects/8f/**: Permission denied
кто-нибудь сталкивался с такой ошибкой при работе с git или знает как решить?

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[23:05:57] Большой Лис: github?
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[23:06:06] Александp: нет
[23:06:17] Александp: со своим сервером
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[23:08:10] Александp: а на гитхабе в чём может быть проблема
[23:08:12] Александp: ?
[23:08:16] Александp: т.е. какая была
[23:08:47] Александp: я вот сейчас сделал git clone в другую директори, поправил файлы, закомитил и запушил ок
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[23:12:12] Большой Лис: github просто переехал в другой ДЦ и в сявзи с тим море глюков
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