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[10:36:19] kwis: здравствуйте, я вчера по поводу аппа для меню спрашивал - http://code.google.com/p/django-treemenus/ вот то что я просил, рас и уже воркед
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[10:49:11] nmk: а лучше django-localeurl никто ничего не знает?
[10:49:44] Darth Лис: он достаточно крут
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[10:50:39] nmk: да не достаточно. его простыми телодвижениями нельзя научить брать язык из сессии.
[10:51:05] Darth Лис: http://github.com/kron4eg/django-localize
но этот проект
1) не развивается
2) частично замержен в django-localeurl
[10:51:51] nmk: не, просто если нету, то буду патчить как-то django-localeurl, надо только разобраться почему APPEND_SLASH не будет работать, если после commonmiddleware писать.
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[10:55:40] Darth Лис: nmk: бери тогда django-localize <http://github.com/kron4eg/django-localize>, эго патчить проще
[10:55:44] Darth Лис: он совсем маленький
[10:55:59] Darth Лис: nmk: а то и совсем забирай
[10:56:05] Darth Лис: :)
[10:56:11] Darth Лис: форкай короче
[10:56:21] nmk: так он на 1.1 вообще будет работать? там же ресолв поменяли.
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[10:58:14] Darth Лис: попробуй %)
[11:00:32] nmk: так а что ты не развиваешь то её?
[11:01:28] Darth Лис: я больше не юзаю джангу
[11:01:29] Darth Лис: ;)
[11:01:58] nmk: на что перелез?
[11:02:06] nmk: или с веба вообще слез?
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[11:05:03] Darth Лис: рельсы
[11:05:14] nmk: епт. как вы там что-то понимаете. :)
[11:05:39] wonderfulll: чем рельсы лучше?
[11:06:16] Darth Лис: вот, не хотел говорить, щаз опять начнётся
[11:06:27] nmk: да-да-да. не надо начинать. :)
[11:06:36] wonderfulll: не просто интересно )
[11:06:49] wonderfulll: на вкус и цвет товарища нет )
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[11:09:18] Darth Лис: nmk: легко понимаем, с референсами и знанием руби, всё легко
[11:10:08] nmk: Darth Лис: ну наверное так оно и есть. у меня просто где-то далеко в голове рубивский код ассоциируется с перловым, и чужие исходники на последнем мне было в свое время очень тяжело понимать.
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[11:10:45] mishok13: пиранья аж переконнектился
[11:10:49] Darth Лис: :D
[11:12:42] piranha: :)))
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[11:13:07] piranha: не поминайте п**л всуе, короче
[11:13:25] piranha: руби всë-таки легче писать, хотя они иногда бесят фичами типа socket.send message
[11:13:37] piranha: точки знач - всë ок, а вот скобки жлобно поставить
[11:15:31] Darth Лис: чо, а мне прикольно, я первым стилем пишу
test "set user tree" do
flunk "todo test"
end
[11:15:33] Darth Лис:
test("set user tree") do
flunk "todo test"
end
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[11:16:02] Darth Лис: flunk тоже надо во втором варианте в скобки загнать
[11:16:08] piranha: угу
[11:16:08] mishok13: всё таки, скобки или есть или их нету
[11:16:14] piranha: именно
[11:16:17] mishok13: оставлять обе опции как-то не комильфо
[11:16:19] piranha: или так, или сяк надо делать
[11:16:25] Darth Лис:
test("set user tree") do
flunk("todo test")
end
[11:16:33] Darth Лис: лисп какой то...
[11:16:35] Darth Лис: %)
[11:16:37] mishok13: хаскель и окамль прелестно смотрятся без скобок
[11:16:57] piranha: (test "set user tree" (flunk "todo test"))
[11:16:58] mishok13: ой, Лис, если это лисп, то питон тогда вообще APL
[11:17:00] piranha: вот лисп
[11:17:18] piranha: нету никаких do/end ;)
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[11:17:55] Darth Лис: можно ещё так записать
test("set user tree") { flunk("todo test") }
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[11:18:29] piranha: хммм
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[11:18:36] piranha: а тест возвращает функцию, которая принимает параметр?
[11:18:40] piranha: или что тут происходит-то?
[11:18:48] piranha: почему блок исполняется в контексте этого теста?
[11:19:51] piranha: парам пам пам? ;)
[11:19:52] Darth Лис: именно потом что так задумано,
нужено что бы блок кода (flunk блабла) исполнялся в контексте теста
[11:19:55] piranha: мммм
[11:20:06] piranha: не, меня не волнует, что там задумано. Меня волнует, как это сделано?
[11:20:17] Darth Лис: ну блоки обычные
[11:20:21] Darth Лис: лямбны
[11:20:24] Darth Лис: лямбды
[11:20:26] piranha: ну т.е. в питоне эквивалентом бы было что? test("set user tree")(lambda: "todo test") ?
[11:20:35] piranha: как тест ловит этот блок, короче?
[11:20:40] piranha: возвращает еще одну функцию?
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[11:21:31] Darth Лис: метод test получает внутри себя этот самый блок, и может запуститье го в определённый момент (когда понадобится)
[11:22:27] piranha: прр
[11:22:36] piranha: ну в общем именно то, что я написал питоновским кодом, да?
[11:22:36] Darth Лис:
def test(testname, &block)
...hack hack
block.call #или просто yield
end
[11:22:43] piranha: эээээээээ
[11:22:46] mishok13: если коротко: магия :)
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[11:22:51] piranha: пиздец, глупо
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[11:23:02] piranha: тогда должно быть test("qwe", { this is block })
[11:23:10] piranha: а никак не test("qwe") { this is block }
[11:23:11] Darth Лис: неэ
[11:23:17] piranha: потому что тут явно ты уже вызвал функцию
[11:23:21] piranha: фу, это тупо ужас
[11:23:31] Darth Лис: &block обозанчается только для того что бы дать лямбде имя
[11:23:39] Darth Лис: и по имени её уже дёргать
[11:23:45] piranha: короче,

with test("shit") as ctx:
fuck them all with with
[11:23:48] piranha: ;-)
[11:23:55] Typhon: "дать лямбде имя" - хе
[11:24:11] Darth Лис: а так, можно
def test(testname)
...hack hack
yield # тут то блок и запустится
end
[11:24:15] piranha: Darth Лис: ну ты ж сам понимаешь, что это тупо ад-хок решение?
[11:24:26] piranha: в плане внутри интерпретатора руби
[11:24:36] piranha: ад хак, я б даже сказал )
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[11:26:07] Darth Лис: piranha: просто ты изначально настроен скептически, и твой мозг ищет любые поводы для критики. это называется ксенофобия ;)
[11:26:19] piranha: не, чувак, не совсем так
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[11:26:33] piranha: я уже даже подумывал попробовать на руби писать
[11:26:42] piranha: но некоторые вещи меня удивляют
[11:26:46] piranha: вот типа такие ад хаки
[11:26:52] piranha: и наличие двух вариантов вызова
[11:26:57] piranha: too many ways to do it
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[11:27:29] Darth Лис: хосспади, какие хаки?!
делаешь так как тебе удобно в данный момент и сё
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[11:27:50] Darth Лис: то что ты говоришь про хаки происходит от назнания руби
[11:27:54] piranha: :-)
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[11:27:58] Darth Лис: зачитай ман какойнть по рубе
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[11:28:06] Darth Лис: там где всё разжуют
[11:28:08] piranha: получения блока в этом контексте - полный маразм
[11:28:10] piranha: окей
[11:28:52] Darth Лис: собственно, Programming ruby / Book of ruby
[11:29:05] Darth Лис: я уверен на 99% что после этого полегчает %)
[11:29:47] piranha: от уж не знаю )
[11:29:59] piranha: я тут опять прочитал про фактор и походу начинаю сходить с ума
[11:30:06] Darth Лис: :D
[11:30:09] piranha: хочу чота на нëм пописать, такой крутой язык ;)
[11:30:13] piranha: все остальные просто сосуть
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[11:30:28] Darth Лис: а где читал?
[11:30:32] mishok13: мы ждём первых success story
[11:30:36] mishok13: о факторе
[11:30:48] piranha: как обычно, на планетфакторе )
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[11:30:59] piranha: http://factor-language.blogspot.com/2009/09/survey-of-domain-specific-languages-in.html
[11:31:03] piranha: вот конкретно то, чо я почитал;)
[11:31:15] piranha: http://planet.factorcode.org/
[11:31:56] mishok13: нету там саксесстори
[11:32:43] piranha: саксессстори нету
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[11:33:05] mishok13: пока что только Слава и пользуется им серьезно
[11:33:15] mishok13: а у меня нету задач которые фактором легче решать
[11:33:39] mishok13: есть задачи которые окамлем, плюсами, эрлангом легче/эффективнее
[11:35:18] mishok13: фактор у меня пока что относится к той же группе языков, что и лолкод с бефунгом
[11:35:37] piranha: ну мне вот пока в голову тоже не пришло ничего, что было бы на нëм круче сделать, чем на чëм-либо еще
[11:35:52] piranha: но тем не менее меня регулярно от него прëт и я пытаюсь всякую хрень делать
[11:36:07] piranha: но это нормально, я вообще жизнь вижу в радужных и живописных оттенках
[11:36:11] piranha: у меня ж даже справка есть
[11:36:36] Darth Лис: :D
[11:37:07] mishok13: ну, от военкомата каждый по своему спасается
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[12:01:26] Izvr: у меня почему то элементы не добавляются в базу
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[12:02:44] Izvr: у меня правда в одном случае питон 2,5 а во втором 2,6
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[12:11:02] Izvr: sqlite
[12:11:39] Izvr: у меня из браузера через json rpc отправляются данные, а потом добавляются
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[12:15:25] Typhon: судя по планетфактор, фактор на планете знают два человека всего :)
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[12:17:27] Darth Лис: :)
[12:17:43] cutwater: товарищи.. пишу тут тестовое задание. вот честно не представляю что в джанге тут юнит-тестировать. опыта в тестировании нет... есть что-нибудь забористое для почитать на тему?
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[12:37:34] pzskc383: а никто под винду тайлового wm не встречал?
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[12:38:52] cutwater: wm да под винду о_О
[12:38:56] cutwater: извраты
[12:39:11] pzskc383: текущее положение дел мешает мне поставить линукс
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[12:39:50] mishok13: pzskc383, win 2.0
[12:39:55] mishok13: ;)
[12:39:58] cutwater: знаю знаю. сам неделю без линукса сидел.
[12:40:00] pzskc383: mishok13: ;)
[12:40:01] mishok13: если серьезно -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiling_window_manager#3rd_party_addons
[12:40:07] pzskc383: да, видел
[12:40:32] pzskc383: меня интересует пользовался ли кто-то ими
[12:40:47] pzskc383: можно вообще ебануться на отличненько, вспомнить молодость и поконфигурить litestep
[12:41:01] cutwater: pzskc383, если попользуешь расскажи. мне будет интересно ;)
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[12:42:57] pzskc383: у меня 1920x1080 и на полный экран держать неудобно браузер
[12:43:00] pzskc383: и vim
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[12:44:02] pzskc383: если б оно еще положение запоминало
[12:44:15] pzskc383: типа vim слева, ff справа
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[13:27:59] kwis: товарисчи решил пополнить свои закладки, делитесь, кто от куда черпает новые и свежие знания по джанге?
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[13:44:04] xa4a: kwis: reddit.com/r/django
[13:44:07] xa4a: или как-то так
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[14:00:12] Typhon: оффтоп, как думаете, что можно спросить на собеседовании у java-script кодера? (должен делать всякие сложные интерфейсы в вебе)
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[14:03:10] xa4a: спросить про замыкания?
[14:03:15] xa4a: то, что Муркт недавн овспоминал
[14:04:18] xa4a: просмотреть тесты на quizful и подобных
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[14:05:20] Typhon: да, про замыкания хочу спросить и вообще про hof, понимает ли :)
[14:05:49] Typhon: вопросы типа чем отличается str[0] от str.charAt(0) -- не хочется :)
[14:06:18] Typhon: хочется более общие
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[14:07:09] Ляпатяпа: какой метод красивее и понятнее? http://dumpz.org/13143/
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[14:08:54] xa4a: второе меньше по базе бьёт
[14:09:12] xa4a: и это..
[14:09:16] xa4a: это метод юзера?
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[14:24:44] mishok13: дай ему задачу которую бы сам решил за 5 минут и следи за ходом его размышлений
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[14:25:10] red-agent: Typhon, Имхо, перестань выебыватся.
[14:25:26] red-agent: И дай человек задание на несколько сотен строк.
[14:25:34] red-agent: И не нужно никаких тупых вопросов.
[14:25:43] red-agent: Глядя на код все станет ясно сразу.
[14:25:47] red-agent: *у
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[14:31:13] Typhon: red-agent: неикто не выебывается, тестовое задание ща есть
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[14:31:33] Typhon: вчера прислал решение один "кандидат" , несмотря на то, что в тексте сказано "на клиенте" -- написал на пхп
[14:31:48] nmk: дай нам то задание поглядеть :)
[14:32:04] red-agent: Typhon, Не вот и не нужно выдумывать всякие вопросы.
[14:32:31] Typhon: думаешь?
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[14:32:55] red-agent: По коду все-равно все станет ясно. Знает или не знает, есть опыт или нету.
[14:32:58] Typhon: http://dumpz.org/13144/ -- вот. нормальне кстати сформулировано?
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[14:33:17] red-agent: А все эти вопросы - ни тебе не дадут полных представлений о его знаниях, ни ему не дадут возможности показать полностью свои знания.
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[14:34:34] mishok13: red-agent, обычно человека в коллектив берут, основываясь не только на его умении писать код
[14:34:39] mishok13: но это такое
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[14:35:43] red-agent: mishok13, Ну и долбоебы.
[14:36:04] red-agent: Он же не шутом придворным работать идет, чтобы развлекать коллектив.
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[14:37:07] Izvr: черви поползли из олеговского юзера
[14:37:09] Izvr: я его прибил
[14:37:11] Izvr: но не помогло
[14:37:17] Izvr: господа
[14:37:19] Izvr: спасайте
[14:37:23] Izvr: весь день мучаюсь
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[14:37:35] Izvr: как в винде питону объяснить работать с utf8
[14:37:45] Izvr: http://doweb.sloyko.com/index.php?/archives/22-Strah_i_nenavist_setdefaultencoding.html
[14:37:50] Izvr: прочитал, не помогло
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[14:38:28] mishok13: red-agent, если программист не должен работать в коллективе, он работает удалённо
[14:38:29] mishok13: вот и всё
[14:38:54] mishok13: особый упор на слове "программист", никак не "кодер"
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[14:40:40] red-agent: mishok13, И как задавание не особо релевантных вопросов, буквально высосанных из пальца, поможет?
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[14:41:44] mishok13: red-agent, ты отлично понимаешь, что спорить я с тобой не буду, потому что ты упёртый асоциальный тип :)
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[14:42:39] red-agent: Ну и ладно. Пойду кого-то другого потроллю... =((
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[14:43:20] nmk: Typhon: а какой город и сколько денег? :)
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[14:44:20] Typhon: nmk: москва.
[14:44:40] nmk: ясн
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[14:45:54] red-agent: /me вчера кстати chromium собрал и попробовал
[14:47:12] maxp: Izvr: как именно работать с утф?
[14:47:26] Izvr: ну у меня джанга себя странно ведет
[14:47:38] Izvr: я поставил питон, поставил туда джангу
[14:47:41] Izvr: скопировал внутрь проект
[14:47:49] Izvr: запустил сервер девелоперский
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[14:47:56] Izvr: у меня загрузился мой интерфейс
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[14:48:12] Izvr: общение с сервером у меня происходит по протоколу jsonprc
[14:48:12] maxp: ага
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[14:48:24] Izvr: в том числе загрузка интерфейса
[14:48:30] Izvr: так вот он загрузился нормально
[14:48:36] Izvr: но у меня там есть функция
[14:48:56] Izvr: добавить документ, я вот ее запускаю, у меня показывается формочка, которую я заполняю и которая уходит потом на сервер по jsonrpc
[14:49:10] Izvr: а вот сервер вместо того, чтобы добавить это все в базу говорит мне матом
[14:49:23] maxp: jsonp - это когда отдается под eval() голый джаваскрипт?
[14:49:25] Izvr: при этом тот же самый код работает под дебианом без проблем
[14:49:55] maxp: т.е. проблема при добавлении в базу?
[14:50:12] maxp: точно не знаю, но я бы поглядел на параметры коннекта
[14:50:15] maxp: к базе
[14:50:35] Izvr: ну самое интересное начинается дальше
[14:50:44] Izvr: я типа беру и запускаю django shell
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[14:50:48] Izvr: делаю выборку
[14:50:56] Izvr: кодировка показывается отвратная
[14:51:09] Izvr: но при этом я спокойно могу добавлять те же самые объекты
[14:51:12] Izvr: руками
[14:51:17] Izvr: а не через интерфейс
[14:51:38] maxp: в смысле лезет глимый юникод в консоль на 1251 ?
[14:52:08] maxp: что за база?
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[14:52:21] maxp: там точно коннект с правильным енкодингом?
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[14:57:04] maxp: а вообще, рекомендовал бы поставить какой-нибудь ВиртуалБокс и там запускать маленький линукс, чтобы не иметь таких проблем
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[15:06:05] Izvr: кхм
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[15:06:08] Izvr: я нашел косяк
[15:06:22] Izvr: я использую модуль джанги treebeard
[15:06:30] Izvr: у него есть функция add_child
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[15:06:44] Izvr: которой я передаю объект {}
[15:06:52] Izvr: с парами ключ-значение
[15:06:56] Izvr: так вот
[15:07:14] Izvr: у меня от клиента и ключ и значение приходят в виде юникодных строк
[15:07:26] Izvr: а эта функция хочет чтобы ключи были не юникодные, а обычные
[15:07:29] Izvr: почему то
[15:07:38] Izvr: и не понятно почему так
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[15:08:45] xa4a: Fff
[15:08:48] xa4a: о нет
[15:08:49] maxp: можно, конечно, попорбовать сделать какой-нибудь smart_str()
[15:08:49] xa4a: снова
[15:09:03] maxp: но я не в курсе подробностей treebeard
[15:09:04] xa4a: "ключ и значение приходят в виде юникодных строк"
[15:09:14] xa4a: э
[15:09:15] Izvr: xa4a
[15:09:23] xa4a: от клиента приходят в виде утфных строк?
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[15:09:55] Izvr: ну смотри, в линуксе js передает питону строку: {'date': None, 'body': '', 'symbol': '', 'label': '123123123123123123', 'title': '123123123123123'}
[15:10:06] maxp: xa4a: параметры парсятся насколько я помню в unicode в резальтате
[15:10:13] xa4a: угу..
[15:10:16] Izvr: а в винде {u'date': None, u'body': u'', u'symbol': u'', u'label': u'12121', u'title': u'121213123'}
[15:10:38] xa4a: lzvr: от версии питона и жанги может зависеть
[15:10:45] Izvr: причем функция будет работать если ей передать doc={'date': None, 'body': u'', 'symbol': u'', 'label': '12121', 'title': u'121213123'}
[15:10:46] xa4a: или зависить
[15:10:52] Izvr: да версии одни и те же вроде
[15:11:06] Izvr: причем у питона я испробовал 2.5.4 и 2.6.3
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[15:11:09] Izvr: на винде
[15:11:28] Izvr: на линуксе у меня 2.5.4
[15:11:34] Izvr: джангу ставил вроде одну и туже
[15:11:35] xa4a: я бы пенял на функцию, которая хочет неюникодные ключи
[15:11:38] Izvr: модули одни и теже
[15:11:43] Izvr: кхм
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[15:11:57] Izvr: ну почему мне в линуксе они приходят нормальные, а в винде юникодные
[15:12:01] Izvr: подстава какая то
[15:12:21] maxp: Izvr: ты уверен, что в илнуксе они не юникодные?
[15:12:32] Izvr: кхм
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[15:13:37] Izvr: ну по всей видимости да
[15:13:40] maxp: вот прямо если на него type() сказать
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[15:14:00] maxp: мне понмнится как раз, что там везде юникодные данные
[15:14:23] maxp: а чем получается этот dict ?
[15:14:44] Izvr: функцией yui-шной
[15:14:49] Izvr: строка
[15:14:53] Izvr: из дикта
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[15:15:03] Izvr: а дикт из формы формируется js-ом
[15:15:07] maxp: в смысле на стороне джанги он как делается из реквеста?
[15:15:38] maxp: просто присылается param='{..... : '' }'
[15:15:42] Izvr: ну в джанге я использую django-json-rpc
[15:15:49] Izvr: присылается прям так
[15:16:03] Izvr: ну точнее его обрабатывает вышеуказанный модуль
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[15:16:09] Izvr: и отдает мне уже разобранную строку
[15:16:13] Izvr: в виде параметров
[15:16:19] maxp: как минимум там может быть засада
[15:16:25] maxp: надо везде поглядеть по очереди
[15:16:32] maxp: собственно мест-то не много
[15:16:42] maxp: только не полагаться на просто print
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[15:16:55] maxp: а еще и type() приписать на всякий случай
[15:17:04] Izvr: собственно странно что кроссплатформенность не сработала
[15:17:13] maxp: странно
[15:17:33] maxp: где-то defaultencoding скорее всего корячится
[15:17:46] Izvr: кхм
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[15:18:16] Izvr: ну я прописал его в sitecustomize.py
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[15:18:28] Izvr: думаю он на стадии инициализации должен хаваться
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[15:18:31] xa4a: lzvr: import sys,django; sys.version_info, django.get_version()
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[15:19:36] Izvr: >>> sys.version_info
(2, 5, 4, 'final', 0)
>>> django.get_version()
'1.1'
>>>
[15:19:38] Izvr: винда
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[15:19:52] maxp: Since Python 2.5 the automatic import of the module "sitecustomize.py" in the directory of the main program is not supported any more
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[15:20:28] Izvr: >>> sys.version_info
(2, 5, 4, 'final', 0)
>>> django.get_version()
'1.1'
>>>
[15:20:32] Izvr: это никсы
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[15:20:41] Izvr: ну т.е. тоже самое
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[15:21:02] xa4a: подозрительно
[15:21:15] Izvr: maxp, я ради интереса сделал print "bgagag" в этом кустомизе
[15:21:16] xa4a: из риквеста всегда юникодные должны объекты приходить
[15:21:24] Izvr: и он у меня отработал при старте сервера
[15:22:35] maxp: sys.getdefaultencoding()
[15:22:36] Izvr: http://mellowmachines.com/blog/2009/06/exploding-dictionary-with-unicode-keys-as-python-arguments/
[15:22:44] Izvr: вот он косяк
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[15:23:22] Izvr: ну вот кстати у меня в никсе аски, а в винде утф
[15:23:31] maxp: у меня ascii
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[15:24:12] maxp: это оно еще там где-то внутри пришедшие данные в kwargs пихает?
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[15:24:38] maxp: как-то не safe
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[15:27:22] maxp: если не париться, то можно просто smart_str() програть по этому словарику
[15:27:28] maxp: хотя так-то задница, конечно.
[15:27:31] Izvr: во
[15:27:32] Izvr: заработало
[15:27:40] Izvr: но надо сказать метод отпадный
[15:27:45] Izvr: и косяк тоже
[15:27:48] maxp: ага
[15:27:51] maxp: а что сделал?
[15:27:55] Izvr: ну как в доке
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[15:27:58] Izvr: которую я скинул
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[15:28:05] Izvr: вставил эту функцию
[15:28:15] Izvr: натравил ее на строки перед вызовом функций
[15:28:18] Izvr: и был доволен
[15:29:17] maxp: так-то надо бы в json-rpc поглядеть, что он там такого творит
[15:29:32] Izvr: ну не хочется в чужие исходники лезть если честно
[15:29:43] Izvr: мне надо проект срочно показывать
[15:29:47] Izvr: трубы горят
[15:29:53] maxp: как обычно :))
[15:30:11] maxp: как тебе yiu в целом?
[15:30:31] nmk: yui пиздат!!!
[15:30:31] Izvr: ну я если честно сейчас вот это покажу и перейду видимо на extjs
[15:30:41] Izvr: ибо там возможностей больше
[15:30:49] nmk: как ui. jquery ui сосет. :)
[15:30:56] Izvr: а yui я в качестве обучения использовал
[15:31:01] Izvr: ибо были русские маны
[15:31:08] Izvr: а я на js никогда ничего не писал до этого
[15:31:32] kwis: ребята, гуглю не могу найти, решил под себя подправить админку джанговскую. Шаблоны себе скинул, нормально правяца и работают а вот с css не могу разобраться от куда их брать и куда копирывать. Подскажите. или ссылкой в меня плизз
[15:32:36] Izvr: dbuilder.py кто-нить использовал?
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[15:33:23] maxp: Izvr: extjs?
[15:33:28] maxp: что сильно красивше?
[15:33:31] kwis: Izvr, Светую jQuery хоть я и не профессионал но ява-фреймворк выбирал где-то сутки, после кучи статей о разных фрейворках остановился на jQuery и не жалею совершенно, классная штуковина
[15:33:55] maxp: jQuery не совсем для того, что YUI
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[15:34:09] Izvr: мне нужен не фреймворк, а ui
[15:34:21] kwis: сори, не прально понял
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[15:34:31] kwis: тогда ничо сказать не могу
[15:34:33] Izvr: накидал всяких кнопочек, сделал табличку, данные высосал с сервера и сижу довольный
[15:34:38] slav0nic: jqueryui.com
[15:34:50] slav0nic: extjs вроде рулит
[15:34:57] maxp: в качестве некоего универсального лейера - самое то, а так-то я тоже слыхал отзывы про extjs
[15:35:12] Izvr: у меня еще специфика что intranet приложения
[15:35:15] kwis: с админкой не поможете?
[15:35:16] maxp: на developer.yahoo.com где-то были лекции пол YUI
[15:35:17] Izvr: так что мне пофигу на тяжесть extjs
[15:35:26] Izvr: а jqueryui имхо маленький
[15:35:30] Izvr: виджетов нет
[15:35:32] Izvr: ну или мало
[15:35:59] Izvr: я делал asyncRequest в yui
[15:36:04] maxp: kwis: я по админке не подскажу, как-то оно мне идеологически разонравилось
[15:36:06] Izvr: делал его в местах 4
[15:36:13] Izvr: и везде надо было по разному с ним танцевать
[15:36:18] maxp: asyncRequest это что такое?
[15:36:22] Izvr: в таблицах так, в чистом виде сяк
[15:36:29] Izvr: ну это yui-шная функция
[15:36:38] maxp: чего делает-то?
[15:36:39] Izvr: я с помощью нее слал json в джангу
[15:36:43] Izvr: через пост
[15:36:47] maxp: а...
[15:37:01] Izvr: да и документация запутанная какая то слегка
[15:37:01] maxp: тут в jQuery все компактно и разумно
[15:37:11] Izvr: ну это как бы не совсем то, что мне надо
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[15:37:59] maxp: в jQuery есть какая-то идеологическая целостноость, но это скорее добавка к html'ю а не полная замена UI
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[15:38:35] maxp: кстати сам John Resig прикольный пипл
[15:38:48] maxp: на googletechtalks встречается на youtoube.com
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[15:41:25] Izvr: как бы запуск джанговского сервера отправить в автозагрузку
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[15:42:54] kwis: Izvr, девелопмент?
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[15:43:07] Izvr: ну как вариант
[15:43:17] Izvr: я думаю это весьма уморительно мне еще и апач туда засовывать
[15:43:20] Izvr: в винду эту
[15:43:27] maxp: зацепить через srvany
[15:43:37] Izvr: или думаете не стоит на девелопменте сидеть*?
[15:43:45] Izvr: а в апач все сложить?
[15:43:55] Izvr: у меня однопользовательский режим работы будет
[15:43:57] maxp: я с апачем давно не работаю
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[15:44:03] maxp: даже не в курсе что там и как
[15:44:04] Izvr: ну а с чем тогда?
[15:44:16] Izvr: wsgi, lighttpd
[15:44:19] Izvr: или что там придумали
[15:44:28] maxp: было чего-то на питоне
[15:44:37] maxp: может tornado
[15:44:50] maxp: но его только снаружи смотрел
[15:45:04] mishok13: cherrypy, paster, werkzeug, штоугодно
[15:45:54] maxp: /me с каждым годом все больше радуется, что убрал винду с десктопа
[15:46:04] Izvr: да нет у меня винды
[15:46:08] Izvr: мне заказчику надо
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[15:53:12] xa4a: еб-ть. снова rm вместо mv >_<
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[15:56:48] AlexKiriukha: Participants.objects.get(nickname=u'Хрюндель')
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[15:56:59] AlexKiriukha: Будет ли тут эксепшен?
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[15:57:37] maxp: AlexKiriukha: DoesNotExist ?
[15:57:51] AlexKiriukha: Ну да. Ищу человека :-)
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[15:58:09] maxp: get() запросто может такой эксепшен выдать
[15:58:15] xa4a: нима
[15:58:34] maxp: тут пишут, что поля такого нет
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[15:59:32] AlexKiriukha: Participant._meta.get_all_field_names() :-)
[15:59:41] AlexKiriukha: Понял. Будем искать дальше :-)
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[15:59:56] maxp: Izvr: http://xhtml.net/scripts/Django-CherryPy-server-DjangoCerise
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[16:03:23] slav0nic: unformat линуксовый кто-нить знает?)
[16:05:08] Izvr: maxp, это никсовое что ли?
[16:05:35] maxp: там где-то внизу писали про windows
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[16:05:57] maxp: есть отдельно примерчик по запуску cherrypy сервисом
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[16:08:53] kwis: йоклмне, где админка цсски свои берет?
[16:09:41] maxp: site-packages/django/contrib/admin/css
[16:09:48] maxp: где-то там
[16:10:01] maxp: еще стоит поглядеть на тему ADMIN_MEDIA
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[16:53:02] kwis: maxp, ADMIN_MEDIA менять на свой каталог, все равно ничо недает
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[17:09:55] kwis: ADMIN_MEDIA_PREFIX меняет указывает куда картинки ложить, а cssки???
[17:10:09] Darth Лис: там же
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[17:11:21] kwis: Darth Лис, в ADMIN_MEDIA_PREFIX пишу левый путь, в админке картинки пропадают но цсс весь находица
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[17:32:40] nmk: http://sarien.net/
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[17:33:00] nmk: ээ. меня слышно?
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[17:42:42] kwis: Из официальной доки
ADMIN_MEDIA_PREFIX - the URL prefix for admin media -- CSS, JavaScript and images used by the Django administrative interface.
Но почему же у меня цсски неподмениваюца?
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[19:32:53] Мозгошредер is now Вероятность получения Вами цензурного и корректного ответа зависит от тупости Вашего вопроса обратно пропорционально
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[21:36:26] Александp: есть класс NodeType в котором объявлен метод __new__
есть некий базовый класс Node в котором объявлен атрибут __metaclass__ = NodeType
есть куча наследуемых классов от Node
в какой момент будет срабатывать __new__?
при объявлении класса или когда будет произведено обращение к наследуемому классу
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[21:37:17] Александp: пока предполагаю что в момент объявления
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[21:49:26] red-agent: Александp, При обьявлении конечно, точнее при его конструировании.
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[21:49:35] red-agent: И __new__ и __init__ метакласса.
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[21:53:05] Александp: red-agent, понятно
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[22:11:07] kwis: люди кто работал с django-treemenus?
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[22:11:50] kwis: подскажите в трех словах как отобразить меню в темплейтах
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[22:31:58] Александp: люди
[22:32:08] Александp: неужели из вас никто не использует jinja?
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[22:38:16] Муркт: используют
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[22:39:05] Александp: Муркт, используешь?
[22:39:13] Муркт: я - нет :)
[22:39:27] piranha: я юзаю иногда
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[22:40:13] Александp: piranha, ты расширения для него наверное уже писал?
[22:40:23] piranha: писал
[22:40:32] Александp: что должен возвращать parse?
[22:40:36] piranha: ммм
[22:40:39] piranha: сек
[22:40:56] Александp: можешь показать пару расширений, если не секретные разработки?
[22:41:10] piranha: ага
[22:41:17] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/cyrax/file/79ce8571ec49/cyraxlib/templatetags.py
[22:41:20] piranha: во
[22:41:26] piranha: должен ноды возвращать :)
[22:41:31] kwis: piranha, рассказываю ситуацию. в админке все гут работает, сделал два файла в темплейтах, как в инструкции написано, а вот дальше что делать хоть убей нипайму
[22:41:42] piranha: kwis: эээ… это мне? )
[22:42:20] kwis: piranha, да, по поводу django-treemenus
[22:42:30] piranha: эээ
[22:42:31] kwis: или я что-то пропустил?
[22:42:34] piranha: я дупля не ловлю, шо это
[22:42:45] piranha: я джинджу юзаю
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[22:43:04] kwis: тю... лад... точно пропустил
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[22:43:37] Александp: piranha, а parser.parse_statements(['name:endmeta'], drop_needle=True) возвращает то что заключено в контейнере?
{% meta %}
блабла
{% endmeta %}
[22:44:04] piranha: ага
[22:44:25] Александp: piranha, я пробую написать тег
{% media "css/css.css" "param1? param2" %}
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[22:44:49] piranha: ну там как-то проще, я блин за полгода подзабыл ;)
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[22:44:55] piranha: явно не parse_statements надо ;)
[22:45:24] piranha: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/cyrax/file/79ce8571ec49/content/index.html
[22:45:27] piranha: вот типа вот так выглядит мета
[22:45:34] piranha: сча попробую вспомнить, как у тебя будет
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[22:54:12] kwis: лин. неужели меня никто нипракансультирует?
[22:54:25] Муркт: доки читай
[22:54:27] Муркт: сорцы читай
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[23:20:06] kwis: Caught an exception while rendering: Menu matching query does not exist.
что означает ошибка?
[23:20:40] AlexKiriukha: Нету меню в базе, которое в параметрах поиска?
[23:22:53] kwis: хм...
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[23:59:54] kwis: Caught an exception while rendering: treemenus/menu.html
это означает что оно не может найти этого шаблона?