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[00:43:25] xa4a: никто не встречал, где у нас (в ua) можно найти англоязычные книги на компьютерную тематику в приличном ассортименте?
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[00:48:52] red-agent: xa4a, Собственно говоря, зачем?
[00:49:00] red-agent: Зачем бумажные, в смысле.
[00:49:32] red-agent: Новых, в смысле up-to-date, стоящих да еще и в ассортименте - ты не найдешь. Ua все-же, а не USA.
[00:49:36] xa4a: лучше воспринимаются
[00:49:42] red-agent: xa4a, Бред.
[00:49:50] xa4a: кому как
[00:50:08] red-agent: xa4a, Ты на чем электронные читаешь?
[00:50:13] xa4a: только на мониторе
[00:50:19] red-agent: Ну тогда понятно.
[00:50:22] xa4a: угу
[00:50:26] red-agent: Попробуй на нормальном ридере.
[00:50:32] red-agent: e-ink и все дела.
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[00:50:49] red-agent: Хотя я и на мониторе нормально читаю.
[00:51:13] red-agent: У меня справа монитор 1280х1024 повернут на 90*, т.е. 1024х1280, специально для документации.
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[00:51:48] xa4a: о, гм. у меня монитор тож поворачивается.. может приятнее будет
[00:51:52] red-agent: xa4a, Так что вместо книг -- вложи лучше в нормальный ридер, окупится с лихвой.
[00:52:13] red-agent: xa4a, Изменения вроде и не большие - а на самом деле довольно ощущаемо.
[00:52:43] xa4a: про ридер - спасибо. вероятно, так и сделаю
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[00:56:14] red-agent: Мне самому нужно купить, а то я свой раздолбал и теперь худлит на кпк 320х240 читать приходится.
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[00:58:01] tilarids: red-agent, а чего посоветуешь? А то я вот тоже присматриваюсь
[00:58:17] red-agent: tilarids, А я сам хз.
[00:58:29] red-agent: Сейчас столько всего нового навыпускали - глаза разбегаются.
[00:58:49] tilarids: понятно
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[06:20:10] feedbot: Managing Cisco Security Data with Python http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9sju3/managing_cisco_security_data_with_python/
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[13:05:54] maxp: на пилонсах работает кто-нибудь?
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[13:09:44] maxp: или с sqlalchemy?
[13:09:55] cutwater: с sqlalchemy работал
[13:10:05] cutwater: пилонсы FFFFUUUUU
[13:10:24] maxp: cutwater: а расскажи, есть там какие-нибудь проблемы
[13:10:29] maxp: особенно неявные
[13:10:37] maxp: а что с пилонсами не так?
[13:11:08] cutwater: мне не понравились они архитектурно. хотя вполне юзабельны.
[13:11:13] Александp: имхо корявые они
[13:11:36] maxp: в каком месте корявые?
[13:11:48] maxp: архитекрурно не понравились?
[13:11:52] maxp: ммм...
[13:12:00] Александp: угу, как cutwater сказал
[13:12:11] maxp: а что не так-то?
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[13:12:46] maxp: мне пока что только htmlfill не очень понравился
[13:13:11] maxp: или чего не хватает там в архитектуре?
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[13:14:50] maxp: или где лучше архитектура?
[13:14:54] Александp: щас уже не вспомню что именно, помню что роутинг совсем не понравился
[13:14:56] cutwater: мне модульности и reusable appications по аналогу в джанге больше нравится
[13:15:07] cutwater: роутинг в том числе
[13:15:13] maxp: понятно
[13:15:21] cutwater: у меня щас жуткое желание написать свой велосипед на wezkreug
[13:15:39] cutwater: некое подобие сварги ибо сварга я так понял мертва уже
[13:15:39] maxp: ну да, он не такой, как в Джанге
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[13:16:29] maxp: хотя я перемотрел, что делал за год и понял, что на верхнем уровне мне бы пилонских роетов вполне бы хватило
[13:16:37] maxp: == роутов
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[13:17:28] maxp: в джанге, как я понял
[13:17:44] maxp: все urls.py в конце концов переделываются в один большой список
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[13:18:17] maxp: как-то тоже не очень...
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[14:40:04] Мозгошредер: А почему тут так любят dumpz.org?
[14:41:10] bobry: а почему бы их не любить?
[14:41:11] bobry: :)
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[16:24:38] Александp: подскажите, можно ли в git submodule добавить определённый бранч в качестве основного, не master?
[16:26:20] Александp: попробовал указать флаг -b my_branch но не сработало
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[16:31:49] Александp: хех, вопрос снят
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[18:29:04] kwis: что делает модуль pingback в byteflow?
[18:29:55] Typhon: http://softwaremaniacs.org/blog/2005/05/18/pingback-rules/
[18:30:06] tonn: блин... пишу тут простенький скрипт на питон для сборки... у меня в некоторых местах получаются вот такие полные пути до файлов:
/home/tonn/workspace/D//./bin/obj/main.d.o
это нормально? можно их привести какнибудь к приличному виду? вообще bash их нормально обрабатывает в таком виде
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[18:30:52] kwis: Typhon, спасибо
[18:31:16] Typhon: tonn, os.path.normpath ?
[18:31:52] tonn: о! спасибо
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[20:20:13] feedbot: Красиво :) http://django-newbie.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post.html
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[21:40:38] kwis: /me в шоке, джанга такая крутая цмска и еще никто не допер всунуть в нее нормальное древовидное меню...
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[21:46:28] red-agent: Django - не cms.
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[21:47:00] bobry: я кстати не в курсе, в чем отличие?)
[21:47:03] bobry: просвятите?
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[21:48:41] kwis: bobry, фреймворк это двигатель, а цмс это машина
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[21:49:56] bobry: в смысле cms отличается набором готовых компонентов?
[21:49:57] kwis: red-agent, но вот почему-то мне кажется что можно было бы в стандартный набор включить такую возможность, типо как админку
[21:50:31] kwis: все-таки древовидное меню бывает на очень многих сайтах
[21:51:12] kwis: bobry, типо того
[21:51:34] red-agent: bobry, В смысле cms предназначена для пользования конечными пользователями.
[21:51:44] red-agent: А django - плацдарм для девелоперов.
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[21:52:42] kwis: сидишь вот, например и матькаешься с разработкой меню для сайта, а в cms такое бы наверняка было бы уже реализовано
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[21:53:37] bobry: а plone не подойдет?
[21:53:40] bobry: в этом смысле
[21:54:38] Typhon: kwis, "никто не допер всунуть в нее нормальное древовидное меню" http://bit.ly/Mdrza -- доперли таки
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[21:55:50] kwis: Typhon, попробуй по своей ссылке сам пройти
[21:56:16] kwis: я говорил о меню искаропки, а не про левые наработки
[21:56:25] kwis: как допустим админка
[21:57:09] Typhon: а кофе варить фреймворк должен уметь?
[21:57:28] bobry: :)
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[23:39:13] red-agent is now Мои родители уехали на симпозиум и я боюсь ночевать один... =(
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