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[10:27:42] Ляпатяпа: > у bzr есть плагины, среди которых например bzrtools, в котором есть команда shelve для временного исключния из коммита "левых" изменений (например нашли орфографическую ошибку, и хотите её закоммитить отдельно, чтобы не мешалась в общем diff'е).
[10:27:45] Ляпатяпа: а для hg такое есть?
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[10:28:15] piranha: есть
[10:28:21] piranha: есть attic, он чуть покруче шелва простого
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[10:30:56] Ляпатяпа: ооо, пираныч появился
[10:31:04] Ляпатяпа: ты mongodb юзал?
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[10:32:29] piranha: в продакшене - не
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[10:33:42] Ляпатяпа: причины? Я вот думаю задействовать, есть очень объемные модели и хранить их в реляционной таблице не пиздато
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[10:36:29] piranha: ну, почему не юзал - нет причин
[10:36:32] piranha: в плане, хочу заюзать
[10:36:38] piranha: очень крутая штука и мне нравится ;)
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[10:36:53] piranha: да, у тех чуваков есть специализированное ж хранилище для больших файлов...
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[10:37:37] Ляпатяпа: ну у меня пока есть токио тюрант для сериализованных данных, вполне устраивает
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[10:38:00] Ляпатяпа: но по сериализованным данным не сделаешь выборку и даже все ключи проблемно узнать
[10:38:06] piranha: tyrant - тайрент
[10:38:19] piranha: ага
[10:38:23] piranha: это ж тупо к-в
[10:38:33] piranha: скучно, неинтересно, бесперспективно ;)
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[10:39:34] Большой Лис: key-value в смысле?
[10:39:58] piranha: eue
[10:40:04] piranha: еуе!
[10:40:17] piranha: я начинаю понимать, откуда взялось слово "айе!
[10:40:25] piranha: s/!/"/
[10:41:44] Ляпатяпа: а не в продакшене юзал? я простенький форум написал на торнадо+mongodb, но при выводе топика он будет делать "1 запрос + количество постов" для вывода пользователей, то бишь джойны я делать не умею
[10:41:59] piranha: ну и это нормал
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[10:42:05] piranha: оно довольно быстрое
[10:42:17] piranha: бтв, а почему джойны не умеешь делать?
[10:42:21] piranha: храни список постов в топике
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[10:45:23] Ляпатяпа: ну я сделал так: новый топик db.topics.insert({"title": title, 'posts': [{"body": body, "user_id": user['_id']}, добавление - topic['posts'].append({'user_id': user['_id'], 'body': body}); db.topics.update(query, topic)
[10:45:53] Ляпатяпа: в каждом посте разумеется копию юзера не сделаешь
[10:46:09] Ляпатяпа: ибо бред, постов 10к, юзеров - 500
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[10:47:18] piranha: ага...
[10:47:32] piranha: а нах тебе целый юзер?
[10:47:44] piranha: хотя, в каждом же посте тонна инфы показывается...
[10:47:48] piranha: но ты ж можешь делать $in
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[10:48:03] piranha: ну т.е. вытащил топик, а потом вытащил всех юзеров из него
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[10:48:10] piranha: ну и агрегацию уже ручками
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[10:52:30] Ляпатяпа: ок, мысль понял. Я просто с mapreduce только в теории знаком, думал может через такие запросы может как-то сделать
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[10:53:46] piranha: хмммм
[10:53:51] piranha: ну map/reduce - это к couchdb
[10:54:09] Ляпатяпа: в mongo тоже можно, хоть это и не основной метод доступа
[10:54:17] piranha: угу...
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[10:59:07] mishok13: Сагалаев за bzr агитировать начал
[10:59:16] piranha: та лол
[10:59:40] tilarids: так он всегда агитировал, разве нет?
[11:00:03] piranha: та лол вдвойне ;)
[11:00:20] piranha: мне особенно нравится аргументация "ну типа я его первым увидел"
[11:00:22] mishok13: я таки наших сагитировал за переход на dvcs и мы теперь решаем что лучше -- git или hg
[11:00:28] piranha: по-моему, это очень профессионально ;)
[11:00:47] piranha: mishok13: а какие критерии?
[11:01:22] mishok13: пока что тупой флейм
[11:01:25] mishok13: :)
[11:01:31] mishok13: никаких критериев
[11:01:32] piranha: =)))
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[11:01:48] Большой Лис: это самая интересная часть процесса
[11:01:52] piranha: ага
[11:02:01] piranha: у нас при выборе еë не было практически
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[11:02:04] piranha: %)
[11:02:08] mishok13: принципиальной разницы нету, на самом деле
[11:02:10] tilarids: mishok13, виндузятники есть?
[11:02:16] mishok13: есть
[11:02:21] mishok13: причем, рубишники
[11:02:26] tilarids: ууу
[11:02:30] Большой Лис: ужснах
[11:02:34] Большой Лис: как они бедные мучаются то
[11:02:42] mishok13: 5 маководов, 4 виндузятника, 4 линуксоида
[11:02:45] piranha: омгкруто
[11:02:49] mishok13: не описать, блять
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[11:02:56] Большой Лис: гетерогенная сеть %)
[11:03:03] tilarids: hg тогда
[11:03:09] mishok13: triple penetration
[11:03:12] tilarids: а репо большое?
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[11:03:24] mishok13: ммм
[11:03:30] piranha: если в свн - то это ж очевидно, что большое, потому что свалка
[11:03:37] piranha: и надо всë на кучу репозиториев разделять всë равно
[11:04:00] mishok13: корень репозитория на ноуте сутки чекаутился
[11:04:05] mishok13: свалка, жа
[11:04:08] mishok13: *да
[11:04:23] Большой Лис: o_O
[11:04:27] Большой Лис: как сутки?!
[11:04:33] piranha: блин, ну как-как
[11:04:34] Большой Лис: там шо, 1000Гб что ли?!
[11:04:35] mishok13: а вот так вот
[11:04:36] tilarids: hg на больших очень тормозной
[11:04:42] mishok13: svn пиздец какой тормоз
[11:04:44] piranha: та ну, конечно ;)
[11:04:54] mishok13: там и одного ГБ хватит
[11:04:55] tilarids: piranha, ага
[11:04:57] piranha: Большой Лис: там стопицот проектов в одном репозитории
[11:05:04] piranha: tilarids: FUD
[11:05:08] mishok13: на больших репах только перфорс не тормозит
[11:05:14] mishok13: перфорс это адпизды
[11:05:28] mishok13: и платный, к тому же
[11:05:32] Большой Лис: ад пизды
[11:05:38] tilarids: piranha, я не знаю, как на нашем репо себя бы повел git, но hg тормозит внушительно
[11:05:54] piranha: define "тормозит"?
[11:05:56] tilarids: размер репы - 200 метров .hg
[11:05:57] piranha: hg st долго проходит?
[11:06:01] piranha: или hg ci/
[11:06:03] Большой Лис: гымгым
[11:06:06] piranha: ?
[11:06:13] piranha: 200 метров .hg - это не самый большой
[11:06:15] tilarids: piranha, ну, для того, чтобы получить hg st нужно ждать секунд 10-15
[11:06:20] piranha: ааа
[11:06:23] tilarids: piranha, ну, для меня довольно большой
[11:06:26] Большой Лис: kernel вам достаточно большой реп или нет?
[11:06:36] tilarids: вот, а git у меня никогда так на лагает
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[11:06:51] tilarids: Большой Лис, ну?
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[11:07:03] Большой Лис: ну там гит, врядли тормозит
[11:07:16] piranha: tilarids: заюзай inotify?
[11:07:21] piranha: желательно из последнего хг
[11:07:25] Большой Лис: на bzr презабавная херня, постоянно формат хранилища сцука меняет :D
[11:07:34] piranha: Большой Лис: оно ж конвертиццо в хг, и вполне нормально работают люди с ним
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[11:07:55] tilarids: piranha, я не знаю, что такое inotify
[11:08:01] Большой Лис: а на hg из толстых реп, мозилла
[11:08:11] piranha: jdk
[11:08:14] piranha: netbeans
[11:08:18] Большой Лис: во, да
[11:08:19] Большой Лис: я как то perl скачал, с гита
[11:08:26] piranha: tilarids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify
[11:08:27] tilarids: конечно, существует еще вероятность, что на таких репах начинает проявляться тормознутость винды
[11:08:35] piranha: вообще для хг есть расширение inotify
[11:08:39] piranha: аахахахахах лол!
[11:08:47] piranha: да, начинает
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[11:08:51] piranha: %)
[11:08:56] piranha: отключи atime для ntfs, например
[11:09:27] tilarids: piranha, я и так уже винду измочалил прилично и убрал всё, что можно
[11:09:37] piranha: :-)
[11:09:40] piranha: а нах винда?
[11:09:45] tilarids: но блин, 10-15 секунд на любую команду - это издевательство
[11:09:53] tilarids: piranha, я симбиан кодер сейчас
[11:09:57] piranha: на любую?
[11:10:04] tilarids: piranha, да. На коммит то же самое
[11:10:11] piranha: мдямс
[11:10:21] piranha: а не хочешь ли зайти в #mercurial пожаловаться?
[11:10:32] piranha: или написать в рассылку даже (это будет полезнее)
[11:10:39] tilarids: ну, pull и push я не считаю, они всегда не супер шустро работали
[11:10:42] piranha: может ты на какую-то граблю наступаешь
[11:11:22] tilarids: piranha, думаешь, чего посоветуют? Кроме того, что "обновитесь на самую последнюю версию, а потом посмотрим" ?
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[11:11:45] piranha: думаю, что попросят инфы какой-то дополнительно и может придумают, в чëм трабла
[11:11:59] piranha: потому что 10-15 сек на каждую команду - это не самый стандартный прикол
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[11:12:33] piranha: у меня за 1 секунду только hg st вылазит, когда я только из спячки вышел, хотя у меня есть (был) один репо на стопийсят мегов
[11:12:34] tilarids: надо бы гит собрать под винду да посмотреть, насколько шустро он будет работать. После этого можно будет заходить в #mercurial и "Няняняяяняяня,Няняняяяняяня,хахахахаха" аля Картман :)
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[11:13:07] piranha: у тебя и без собранного гита это отлично получается, разве что ты на #mercurial стесняешься такое писать ;)
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[11:13:23] _lorien: :)
[11:13:33] tilarids: piranha, посмотрим. Пока что hg - не самый тормозной участник рабочего процесса
[11:13:40] tilarids: у меня проект пересобирается полтора часа
[11:14:00] piranha: не, ну то, что проблема в консерватории, а не в хг - это очевидно
[11:14:04] piranha: ;-)
[11:14:30] piranha: если б он на таких репозиториях у всех работал по 10-15 сек на каждую команду, люди давно бы взвыли
[11:15:12] _lorien: tilarids, попроси у знакомого линуксоида потестить эту репу под линуксом
[11:15:37] tilarids: _lorien, я сам себе знакомый линуксоид. Надо ноут принести только.
[11:15:55] tilarids: Вот только нечестное это будет сравнение - линух на неплохой тачке и винда на гробе
[11:16:12] piranha: хммм
[11:16:21] piranha: прикольный у вас девелопмент, на гробах работать :(
[11:16:59] piranha: you have a grob, I have a linux
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[11:17:31] tilarids: piranha, мне самая худшая тачка досталась, ибо последний пришел и больше не было. Основная масса работает на маках и нормальных тачка.
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[11:17:57] _lorien: конфиг в студию :)
[11:18:16] tilarids: _lorien, какой-то там семпрон 2 с чем-то, гиг оперативы\
[11:18:20] mishok13: кстати, да
[11:18:21] AlexKiriukha: Мне кажется артикль перед linux не нужен
[11:18:28] mishok13: ну и нормально
[11:18:33] piranha: AlexKiriukha: из песни слов не выкинешь!
[11:18:55] tilarids: mishok13, мне проца не хватает. Оперативы не хватает. Не нормально :)
[11:19:00] _lorien: тачка как тачка :)
[11:19:03] AlexKiriukha: piranha: я расчитывал, что кто-то подтвердит или попровергнет :-)
[11:19:23] piranha: AlexKiriukha: если линух как Linux, то не нужно. А если как grob, то нужно
[11:19:25] mishok13: у меня ноут слабее и ничего, нормально работается
[11:19:28] piranha: в смысле если не имя собственное
[11:19:40] tilarids: _lorien, ну, если тебе не нужно запускать эклипс и эмулятор девайса *под виндой*, то нормальная.
[11:19:53] mishok13: может, проблема в том, что надо запускать GNU Emacs
[11:19:57] piranha: эклипс, хахаха
[11:19:58] tilarids: mishok13, ну, у тебя ж видимо linux?
[11:20:01] mishok13: вместо эклипсов :)
[11:20:09] AlexKiriukha: piranha: может оно и гроб, сам многим недоволен. Но что-то пока лучше ничего не попадалось :-)
[11:20:15] _lorien: у меня вообще проц atom :D
[11:20:20] mishok13: tilarids, на компе со схожей конфигурацией три года была винда и ничо, нормально
[11:20:28] piranha: AlexKiriukha: эээ… я о другом )
[11:20:33] tilarids: mishok13, в эклипсе нет интеграции с симбиан сдк. На самом деле, там не эклипс, а собственная нокиевская иде, построенная на эклипсе
[11:20:35] mishok13: только вот недавно оперативы купил для фаирфокса
[11:20:44] piranha: /me мажор с 4 гигами рамы
[11:20:54] piranha: size does matter after all!
[11:21:14] tilarids: откройте рты, сорвите уборы, по улице чешут мальчики-мажоры с 4 гигами рамы
[11:21:29] piranha: чо это им чесать-то
[11:21:35] piranha: они сидят молча дома
[11:21:41] mishok13: 4ГБ рамы мне обошлось в 250грн
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[11:21:53] piranha: мне дороже, по-моему
[11:21:58] mishok13: или что-то около того
[11:22:01] piranha: so-dimm ddr3, чоб его
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[11:22:03] _lorien: вроде идут в оригинале :)
[11:22:04] Ляпатяпа: как я сегодня с виндой заебался
[11:22:05] mishok13: я успел перед долларовой паникой
[11:22:12] mishok13: одной из
[11:22:16] Ляпатяпа: ставишь дрова на звук - отлетает сидиром
[11:22:23] piranha: mishok13: а, я в феврале апгрейдился
[11:22:37] piranha: Ляпатяпа: нафига сидиром? ;)
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[13:32:16] bahus: Господа, вопрос такой возник у меня: есть ли возможность в скрипте налету изменить принцип работы интерпретатора со строками? Т.е. чтобы все строки используемые в скрипте проходили через определенную процедуру обработки. На данный момент я придумал решение с декоратором, который проверяет все аргументы функции и если там есть строки то применяет к ним нужное преобразование. А можно ли как-то это сделать более глобально?
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[13:38:50] maxp: bahus: не совсем понятно, что имеется ввиду
[13:39:10] maxp: "все используемые строки" это какие?
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[13:39:46] bahus: ну т.е. пишешь в скрипте допустим
[13:39:51] bahus: test = "hahahaha"
[13:39:56] bahus: print test
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[13:40:39] bahus: и вот нужно сделать так, чтобы (допустим) строка трансформировалась в верхний регистр
[13:40:58] mishok13: stdout подменяй
[13:40:58] maxp: а если я пишу "123".join( [.... ] )
[13:41:07] maxp: то что должно происходить?
[13:41:21] maxp: или a = md5( ... ).hexdigest()
[13:41:25] maxp: это тоже строки
[13:41:36] bahus: все должны транформироваться в upper
[13:41:42] bahus: т.е. дело даже не принт
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[13:41:51] maxp: или вот a='abc'
[13:41:54] maxp: d[a]
[13:42:01] maxp: и это в upper?
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[13:42:17] bahus: да, я поэтому и написал: глобально
[13:42:21] mishok13: bahus, откровенно тебе скажу, ты занимаешься хуйней
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[13:42:39] maxp: да, вот mishok13 довольно точно мысль выразил :)
[13:42:41] piranha: именно
[13:42:46] piranha: ;-)
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[13:43:07] maxp: или точнее "вы хотите странного" и даже очень странного
[13:43:28] maxp: может задачу более широко рассмотреть?
[13:43:36] mishok13: кстати, для операций подобного рода существуют пайпы
[13:43:37] bahus: ну можно попробовать
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[13:44:05] bahus: вот пример - есть словарь с переменными {"var1":"test1", "var2":"test2"}
[13:44:29] tilarids: bahus: свой класс строк напиши
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[13:44:50] Typhon: сразу видно сиплюсплюсника, чуть что, "пиши класс строк" ^_^
[13:44:54] maxp: вот еще интересно, как должна срабатывать
[13:45:04] maxp: a = lower( 'ABC' )
[13:45:10] maxp: > a
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[13:45:13] maxp: ABC
[13:45:17] bahus: я хочу, чтобы все строки (строковые переменные), которые будут использованы в скрипте, были обработаны таким образом, чтобы в них переменные заменялись на их значения
[13:45:17] maxp: ^)
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[13:45:36] mishok13: sed
[13:45:48] bahus: такой вариант я тоже рассматривал
[13:46:00] mishok13: ты лучше скажи, что ты делаешь, а не что тебе надо
[13:46:07] bahus: вернее сначала парсить файл скрипта, а потом исполнять его с помощью exec
[13:46:07] mishok13: отталкиваться от задачи намного проще
[13:46:59] bahus: задача
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[13:47:13] bahus: допустим, некто импортит мой модуль import blabla
[13:47:39] tilarids: Typhon: а при чём здесь плюсы? Это duck typing: если все строки должны быть UPPER, то это уже не строки, а какая-то другая утка
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[13:48:04] bahus: и после этого импорта может использовать в своем модуле некий "расширенный класс строк", в котором каждая строка проходит процедуры замены переменных из словарика
[13:48:16] piranha: тебе к руби
[13:48:17] bahus: если помните есть такой класс string.Template который это делает
[13:48:20] piranha: а не к питону
[13:48:35] bahus: не
[13:48:35] tilarids: bahus: ну, так а в чём проблема то?
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[13:48:39] mishok13: эээ
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[13:48:51] mishok13: ты описал не задачу, а свою проблему, опять
[13:48:54] mishok13: задача какая?
[13:48:57] Typhon: tilarids: да я помню, там модно было самим класс строк писать, а так я ничего ^_^
[13:49:31] mishok13: к тебе что, пришёл заказчик и такой "значит так, задача такова... хотелось бы класс строк чтобы из словарика подменялись"?
[13:49:46] bahus: ко мне пришёл заказчик и говорит
[13:49:58] bahus: хочу чтобы ты на питоне сделал мне Domain Specific Language
[13:50:03] tilarids: Typhon: это старая фишка. Сейчас модно кричать, что свои велосипеды - уг, используйте STL или Qt
[13:50:17] bahus: да так чтобы обезьяны на нем могли писать легко
[13:50:43] Typhon: bahus: ты с какого-то не того конца подходишь, по-моему
[13:50:46] bahus: и чтобы в этом DSL запросто поддерживался импорт переменых извне (текстовых файлов)
[13:50:54] piranha: совсем не из того конца
[13:51:30] piranha: ты ж можешь импортировать в питон не .py, а какой-нить .dsl
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[13:51:42] piranha: и его обрабатывать каким-то парсером своим, который из дсл будет строить питон
[13:51:54] tilarids: bahus: опиши, пожаулуйста, задачу, которую будет решать твой DSL и какой вид DSL у тебя сейчас (какую-нибудь программу на нём покажи)
[13:52:02] piranha: http://docs.python.org/library/imputil.html
[13:52:05] piranha: вот это, что ли
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[13:53:20] bahus: в заказчика загон
[13:53:28] bahus: я ему предлагал стуктуру на xml
[13:53:42] bahus: но он сказал - что хорошо бы было, чтобы это был чистый питон
[13:54:40] bahus: т.е. текст будет такой
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[13:56:28] maxp: в чистом питоне строки не ведут себя как попало, числа например, тоже :)
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[13:56:55] mishok13: задача, несомненно, интересная, только спроектировать такой язык, чтобы на нем даже обезьяны могли писать -- непростая задача
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[13:57:01] Typhon: это не дсл
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[13:57:17] Typhon: ну точнее, не дсл для непрограммистов
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[13:57:59] bahus: ну это некий макет, но в целом так это будет выглядеть
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[13:58:31] maxp: сейчас смысл-то в чем? сделать upper( r'....' ) для всех констант?
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[13:58:50] bahus: задача была в том, чтобы каждый из строковых параметров переобразовывать в соответствии со словариком
[13:58:59] bahus: это я сделал через декораторы
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[13:59:28] maxp: каждый параметр любой функции?
[13:59:32] tilarids: bahus: вот это тебе надо преобразовать? "[REGEXPTITLE:Acronis.True.Image]"

[13:59:34] bahus: но тут мне задали вопрос - а можно ли сделать такую штуку вообще для любых строк, а не только для параметров в методах
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[14:00:06] bahus: > каждый параметр любой функции?
да, для всех параметров любой функции
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[14:00:55] bahus: tilarids: и это тоже) но дело сейчас немного в другом
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[14:02:29] tilarids: bahus: ну, сделай import hook, который будет банально все строки оборачивать в другой класс(через sed)
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[14:06:32] bahus: хотелось бы всё внутренними стредсвами, т.е. без выполнения сторонних утилит
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[14:06:47] bahus: я думал, как-то гловально можно str переопределить
[14:06:57] bahus: или вообще свой класс строк заюзать
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[14:07:59] tilarids: bahus: можно свой класс строк, но его руками всегда придётся прописывать
[14:08:10] tilarids: что-то вроде _("string")
[14:08:28] tilarids: а builtin же не переопределяются, разве нет?
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[17:46:02] Lolka: а есть что нибудь такое в одну команду, чтобы показать количество изменений в двух ревизиях hg репы?
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[17:49:55] red-agent: hg st --rev
[17:50:09] red-agent: Самое близкое, имхо, что есть.
[17:50:17] bahus: вопрос: а можно ли создать subclass, который бы наследовался от родительского класса?
[17:50:37] red-agent: bahus, ??
[17:50:51] bahus: red-agent http://dumpz.org/13281/
[17:50:56] red-agent: bahus, Можна ли сделать колесо, которое было бы колесом?
[17:51:05] bahus: выдает NameError: name 'test' is not defined
[17:51:14] bahus: т.е. типа нельзя
[17:51:25] red-agent: Самое понятие subclass подразумевает наследственность от superclass (родителя)
[17:51:37] mishok13: ред, сходи по ссылке
[17:51:39] mishok13: там смешно
[17:51:42] red-agent: Ща.
[17:51:56] Typhon: бля
[17:51:56] red-agent: :D:D
[17:52:11] red-agent: mishok13, Таки да...
[17:52:13] Typhon: bahus: там в топике ссылка
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[17:52:40] Typhon: учаснег, меж тем, сам указал в коде: "wtf??!?!!?!?"
[17:52:58] _lorien: А кто ругался, что у него не работала страница со своими дампами? А то у меня сегодня редкое настроение что-то фиксить на своих сайтах :)
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[17:54:42] Typhon: bahus: там в топике сыслка есть
[17:54:48] tilarids: _lorien: Мозгошредер жаловался вроде
[17:55:00] Typhon: *ссылка
[17:55:19] _lorien: tilarids, спасибо, напишу ему
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[18:04:47] red-agent: Тут-то все и прояснилось.
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[18:15:08] maxp: подскажите, как в питоне поглядеть количество ссылок на объект
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[19:01:38] Ляпатяпа: _lorien, я видел нжинковскую ошибку... через некоторое время само заработало
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[19:20:12] feedbot: Шаблонизатор в Tornado и unicode http://otkds.blogspot.com/2009/10/tornado-unicode.html
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[21:39:43] xa4a: гхм. а если urllib2.urlopen вернул респонс после редиректа, то заголоки от ответа, в котором пришёл сам редирект - не получить?
[21:40:12] bobry: надо по моему соответствующие методы перегружать в RedirectHandler
[21:40:23] bobry: чтобы что то получить, в процессе редиректа
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[21:57:51] Izvr: расскажите мне про тру-RAD
[21:58:33] Izvr: мне надо проникнуться философией этой фигни и быстро все запрогать
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[22:04:54] kawaikunee: slav0nic: давно в блог не пишете что то
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[22:05:36] slav0nic: kawaikunee, дел хватает)
[22:05:54] kawaikunee: на форуме я посмотрел так редко пишут тоже
[22:06:28] kawaikunee: задал там вопрос а потом посмотрел когда в последний раз задавали до меня
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[22:06:47] bobry: лучше туть задавать)
[22:07:06] kawaikunee: много текста там))
[22:07:07] slav0nic: э
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[22:07:17] slav0nic: форум цветёт и пахнет)
[22:07:26] slav0nic: http://python.su/forum/
[22:07:28] kawaikunee: видимо раздел не цветет
[22:07:32] bobry: а что за раздел?
[22:07:33] kawaikunee: Pylons
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[22:07:59] slav0nic: эм вопрос по орму, а не по пилону ж
[22:08:34] kawaikunee: мм. надо в другой раздел чтоли
[22:08:39] kawaikunee: по БД видимо
[22:08:52] slav0nic: я лучше сам перенесу
[22:09:28] Александp: может не в тему, а python.ru будет развиваться ещё?
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[22:15:01] Муркт: http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado ;-)
[22:15:09] bobry: bravo
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[22:19:42] kawaikunee: slav0nic: благодарю
[22:20:08] kawaikunee: да надо проштудировать эту веточку. Уж я с этой алхимией намучился...
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[22:20:17] slav0nic: патриот ёпт)
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[22:28:27] Муркт: в новой алхимии дофига фич новых :)
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[22:30:26] kawaikunee: Муркт: мда? хорошо разбираетесь?
[22:30:39] Муркт: нет, просто чейнжлог прочёл :)
[22:30:46] Муркт: а что, есть предложения по работе?
[22:31:09] kawaikunee: Муркт: нет)) есть просьба о помощи на форуме http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5358
[22:31:26] Муркт: не, помогать некак. Вот если бы работа - может поковырялся бы =)
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[22:33:50] kawaikunee: мне бы со старыми разобраться
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[22:35:19] xa4a: с работой чо-то, кстати, ваще напряг
[22:35:36] xa4a: нашёл себе только кодить пхп + с++ за еду :\
[22:36:24] Муркт: тю
[22:36:36] Муркт: я не хо на полный день, а так на питон можно найти
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[22:36:50] xa4a: не полный
[22:37:02] Муркт: да фтопку такие расклады
[22:37:11] Муркт: лучше сделать что-нибудь с блекджеком и шлюхами
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[22:41:46] xa4a: с блекджеком, шлюхами, но без джанги?
[22:42:08] Муркт: да!
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[22:42:32] Муркт: kawaikunee: открой для себя [code]
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[22:48:40] kawaikunee: ладно, буду ждать ответа на форуме, а пока - спать
[22:48:54] kawaikunee: всем хорошего отдыха
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[22:52:00] AlexKiriukha: Та что такое. Есть у меня bound модель с FileField. Не могу разобраться как показать имя уже загруженного файла в шаблоне. Проблема даже сформировать запрос в гугл. Очень нужндаюсь в помощи
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[22:55:09] xa4a: AlexKiriukha: bound форма
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[22:55:22] xa4a: ?
[22:55:29] AlexKiriukha: xa4a: да. Неправильно написал
[22:55:52] AlexKiriukha: xa4a: сейчас смотрю как в админке сделано.
[22:56:07] xa4a: втікни лучше дебагер и посмотри из консоли
[22:56:30] xa4a: dir(form.cleaned_data['file']) или как там
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[22:57:32] AlexKiriukha: xa4a: это немного не то. Пользователь уже загрузил файлы, показываю ему форму для редактирования. Не могу показать, что файл, соответствующий этому полю загружен и путь к нему
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[23:00:57] AlexKiriukha: Ну как бы в админке вполне удобно. Можно закачать новый файл если чо.
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