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[03:02:25] dicos: Здравствуйте. Можно ли в админке дажанги реализовать разделение прав доступа?
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[03:06:59] _lorien: там есть возможность раздавать права на чтение, изменение данных какого-либо приложения, почитай документацию
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[06:24:33] sevenov: Гы. http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/Version1.2Features видали?
[06:24:43] sevenov: >Support for non-relational databases: Tokyo Cabinet/Tyrant, MongoDB, Cassandra, Google Bigtable (AppEngine, #10192), Amazon SimpleDB, CouchDB, ZODB, etc
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[09:30:21] flykker: http://dumpz.org/13341/
[09:30:50] flykker: продолжение вчерашнего виснет на 456 письме потому что var string msg весит 5 мБ
[09:31:12] flykker: какой тип удобнее брать чтобы потом скидывать в файл
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[09:39:00] xa4a: msg = msg + j + "\n"
[09:39:03] xa4a: проблема тут
[09:39:06] xa4a: похоже
[09:39:11] flykker: да да
[09:39:22] flykker: типа письмо весит 6 мб
[09:39:33] flykker: какой тип взять
[09:39:39] xa4a: список попробуй
[09:39:53] xa4a: msg_lst.append(j)
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[09:40:06] xa4a: а в конце - msg = '\n'.join(msg_lst)
[09:40:10] flykker: а как список запихать в email и обработать
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[09:40:32] xa4a: в емейл -строку уже
[09:40:34] flykker: message_from_string(msg)

[09:40:40] xa4a: msg = '\n'.join(msg_lst)
[09:40:42] flykker: мне же нужен header
[09:41:27] xa4a: или вообще msg = '\n'.join(M.retr(i+1)[1] for i in xrange(nmsg))
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[09:43:19] flykker: во нашел парень вот так делает for i in range(msgnum):
for j in p.retr(i+1)[1]:
msgtext=msgtext+str(j)
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[09:43:27] flykker: и говорит что все работает
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[09:44:53] xa4a: в p.retr(i+1)[1] - что?
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[09:46:04] xa4a: чтрока?
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[09:58:52] xa4a: тогда for j in p.retr(i+1)[1]: - читать её посимвольно
[09:59:02] xa4a: это круто убьёт проиводительность
[09:59:04] xa4a: з
[09:59:18] xa4a: всё, ушёл слушать скучную лекцию :\
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[10:09:54] flykker: не я вернулся
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[10:58:42] nmk: эх. зима блядь.
[11:00:03] nmk: а никто не в курсе, когда видео с highload выложат?
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[15:20:17] feedbot: django-registration is getting a rewrite http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9tx5h/djangoregistration_is_getting_a_rewrite/
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[15:48:33] ayanami.dev: ребят, всем привет, помогите с этой темой http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5369
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[15:55:09] kwis: Здравствуйте хлопцы, хочу спросить может кто знает - mptt умер как проект или его еще поддерживают/разрабатывают???
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[15:59:52] огыешсук: А чего? Там что-то не работает?
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[16:52:17] wonderfulll: народ сильно ли увеличится скорость обработки селектов в Mysql улучшив железо раза в 2, или сильно от ситуации зависит?
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[16:54:18] sevenov: microsoft-style.
[16:54:34] sevenov: "Мы лучше еще пицот серверов добавим, чем наш софт оптимизировать"
[16:54:53] wonderfulll: предположим что софт уже оптимизирован )
[16:55:09] sevenov: тогда улучшай, че :-)
[16:55:29] wonderfulll: просто база крутиться на 2х750MHz )
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[16:55:48] wonderfulll: просто интересно чего ожидать можно
[16:55:56] sevenov: sas винты в рейде, 16Гб озу, систему х86_64, 4 проца
[16:55:57] sevenov: =)
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[16:56:48] wonderfulll: такое только снится )
[16:57:19] sevenov: дааа...
[16:57:27] wonderfulll: + база очень галимо спроектирована )
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[16:57:57] sevenov: ну хз, так в любом случае сложно ответить
[16:58:16] wonderfulll: крч. надо тестить, смотреть )
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[17:06:49] slav0nic: больше озу - больше в кеш влезет, ясное дело на скорость влияет
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[17:09:40] nmk: все в кеш :)
[17:09:45] nmk: а базу на рамдиск :)
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[17:10:21] sevenov: базу в рамдиск - это опасно же
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[17:10:42] nmk: ну. ок. в базу писать на диск, а с него реплецировать на рамдиск. и с рамдиска селектить :)
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[17:10:55] sevenov: точно
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[17:14:45] wonderfulll: очень здравая идея )
[17:14:59] wonderfulll: над будет покопать в эту сторону
[17:15:09] Мозгошредер is now Вероятность получения Вами цензурного и корректного ответа зависит от тупости Вашего вопроса обратно пропорционально
[17:15:29] nmk: ну шутки шутками, а у меня такое решение есть. там оочень две большие таблицы и их надо джоинить, группировать и считать.
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[17:15:49] sevenov: очень две - это много?
[17:15:59] nmk: но в мускуле вроде ж нельзя теблспейс отедльный сделать.
[17:15:59] sevenov: :-))
[17:16:06] nmk: ну, записался. две очень большие. для меня. :)
[17:16:19] wonderfulll: это скока?
[17:16:35] wonderfulll: в численом эквиваленте )
[17:16:49] nmk: только если тупо репликацией. ну, в одной лямов 100, в другой 10. там таблицы то смешние. в одной 3 колонки, а вдругой 4. все инты.
[17:17:10] nmk: но эт чисто был нагрузочный тестинг. так таблицы еще растут. или уже не растут. :)
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[17:20:47] wonderfulll: мож какую хорошую литературку по оптимизации мускула посоветуете?
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[17:22:39] slav0nic: http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/
[17:22:51] _lorien: гад )
[17:23:03] _lorien: я тоже хотел линку кинуть эту )
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[17:23:08] wonderfulll: high performance mysql 2nd edition )
[17:23:16] kwis is now online
[17:23:27] wonderfulll: эту уже ищу
[17:24:08] slav0nic: а вообще есть 2 скрипта
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[17:24:21] slav0nic: для поиска "в чём бок"
[17:24:22] slav0nic: на sh и pl
[17:24:30] slav0nic: вот потыкай посмотри чего не хватает
[17:24:48] slav0nic: может селекты с группиовкой или сортировкой и кеша не хватает, и юзаются временные таблицы
[17:24:49] slav0nic: и тп
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[17:25:17] slav0nic: +глянь какая загрузка в плане скорость (req/s)
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[17:26:08] wonderfulll: + юзаются временные таблицы, в этом я уверен
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[17:26:46] wonderfulll: как я и говорил архитектура самой базы никакая
[17:27:01] wonderfulll: где-то даж id нету
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[17:27:33] wonderfulll: связь между таблицами кривая
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[17:27:50] wonderfulll: индексы вроде раскидали где могли
[17:28:42] ayanami.dev: не хочу прерывать вашу беседу, но хочу еще разок спросить, по моему вопросу никто ничего сказать не может?
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[17:29:36] wonderfulll: ошибок не кидает?
[17:29:44] ayanami.dev: нет
[17:29:50] sevenov: ayanami.dev, что за вопрос?
[17:29:57] nmk: у кого статики много, по сколько файлов в каталоге вы храните и какая фс у вас?
[17:30:07] ayanami.dev: http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5369
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[17:30:39] wonderfulll: nmk: ext3 max 32000 по спец.
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[17:30:55] nmk: да мне не макс. мне что бы оптимально. :)
[17:31:01] slav0nic: ayanami.dev, тут мало кто кодит на QT, но на форуме есть специ, так что жди)
[17:31:33] wonderfulll: ну если статики много то ZFS юзай )
[17:31:58] sevenov: да что б подох этот ZFS
[17:32:07] wonderfulll: )
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[17:32:33] wonderfulll: у меня на ext3 14000 было в одной директории нормаьно всё крутилось )
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[17:33:39] wonderfulll: ток размер файла не превышал 50кб
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[17:34:22] piranha: sevenov: а шо такое?
[17:34:27] piranha: он тебя обидел?
[17:34:33] sevenov: piranha, sun же.
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[17:34:49] piranha: та и хрен ему в дышло, чем зфс-то плох?
[17:34:57] piranha: по-моему, вполне себе хорошая фс
[17:35:10] piranha: жаль, шо для линуха нету, но да мы скоро бтрфс увидим в продакшене, думаю
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[17:37:23] slav0nic: ext4 по-моему должен себя номрально вести с мелкими файлами
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[17:38:39] pzskc383: http://community.livejournal.com/ru_python/262520.html
[17:38:41] pzskc383: обьясните
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[17:39:09] sevenov: О, кстати, про ext4. Щас вброс в juick сделаю.
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[17:39:26] pzskc383: sevenov: attention whore
[17:40:00] piranha: pzskc383: крутая тема
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[17:40:16] wonderfulll: а ZFS через Fuse поднять разве нельзя?
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[17:41:13] mishok13: если файловую систему через fuse прикрутить, то весь перформанс уйдет в никуда
[17:41:22] sevenov: http://juick.com/318840
[17:42:02] sevenov: pzskc383, шикарно.
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[17:43:06] slav0nic: sevenov, а ты стабильный модуль юзал?
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[17:43:14] sevenov: slav0nic, да.
[17:43:45] slav0nic: гы, я чаще слышал что ломался реисер
[17:44:12] sevenov: за 1,5 года не потерял ни байта данных ;-)
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[17:44:23] sevenov: а мой ноут вырубается по 10 раз за сутки.
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[17:45:08] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (гентушники детектед)
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[17:46:00] sevenov: огыешсук, где? Покажите мне его? о_О
[17:46:00] slav0nic: sevenov, как ни тсранно я и на ext3 за 5 лет нчиего не потерял
[17:46:14] sevenov: на ext3 я тоже ничего не терял.
[17:46:22] огыешсук: А чего у вас ноуты вырубаются то ещё?
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[17:46:32] slav0nic: на ext4 пока только торренты храню
[17:46:53] sevenov: огыешсук, у меня древность: http://sevenov.info/static/uploads/toshiba/
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[17:47:50] sevenov: piranha, думаю, я и ZFS доведу до такого :D
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[17:47:57] piranha: ;)
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[17:48:02] sevenov: кстати, дебиан у меня таки сломался :-)
[17:48:14] sevenov: кернел панеко!
[17:48:35] slav0nic: клёва у тя озу меняется)
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[17:49:47] wonderfulll: эт пипец прям ) а снизу ничё открутить нельзя было?
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[17:50:07] sevenov: первая планка на одной стороне материнки, вторая на другой.
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[17:50:17] wonderfulll: nice )
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[17:50:29] sevenov: Я ж написал там.
>Наконец-то добрался до второй планки ОЗУ.
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[17:50:43] slav0nic: мде, я был лучшего мнения о тошибах)
[17:50:55] sevenov: Не, в свежих версиях нормально =)
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[18:05:11] огыешсук: sevenov: жесть какое, в thinkpad`ах чуть легше (а в моём первом ноуте от iru было совсем просто, хотя тот и был 13 дюймов от роду, но оперативка менялась простым снятием одной единственной крышки снизу; там же менялась minipci карта, и жесткий диск тоже элементарно менялся)
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[18:24:03] ayanami.dev: а никто не пользуется eric4?
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[18:24:33] bobry: я пользовался когда то
[18:24:35] bobry: а что такое?
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[18:25:46] ayanami.dev: не сталкивался с ошибкой при создании\открытии файла, ругается на неправильные аски символы
[18:26:00] bobry: нет, а в какой кодировке файл?
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[18:26:19] ayanami.dev: да новый даже создать не получается, в юникоде
[18:26:43] bobry: странно, а если его попробовать из терминала запустить? может он какой exception покажет?
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[18:27:07] ayanami.dev: тончо, надо попробовать
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'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 10: ordinal not in range(128)
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[18:34:05] bobry: мб вы там в настройках что не так указали?
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[18:48:29] AlexKiriukha: Там вроде корневая - это у которой нет парента. Такие дела.
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[19:02:36] sevenov: Это, а чочо, в хг появился аналог гитовского submodule?
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[19:12:02] Муркт: sevenov: чтойта submodule?
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[19:12:23] sevenov: Муркт, типа подрепозиториев.
[19:12:31] Муркт: а, да. в 1.3 появился
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[19:12:38] Муркт: piranha же сделал!
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[19:12:56] sevenov: а, ну круто тогда.
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[19:13:05] bobry: а как оно называется?
[19:13:08] sevenov: а то вот понадобилось сейчас.
[19:13:33] sevenov: Муркт, да, название экстеншена в студию :)
[19:13:44] Муркт: ммм.... subrepo?
[19:13:51] Муркт: не знаю точно
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[19:14:24] sevenov: ага, http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/subrepos
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[20:08:54] Ляпатяпа: мааленький вопрос по организации кода. Требуется много констант (скажем 50), притом не в одном модуле. Я так понимаю лучший вариант - завести constants.py и потом делать из него import *. Или есть другая best practice
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[20:13:45] Муркт: я бы предпочёл просто import constants, без *
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[20:15:30] Ляпатяпа: и потом в коде юзать constants.CONST?
[20:15:40] Ляпатяпа: не, это не удобно
[20:15:51] Ляпатяпа: прям реально код не красивый будет
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[20:17:22] bobry: Ляпатяпа: const.SOME_CONSTANT, очень даже ничего
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[20:18:03] bobry: ropemacs - питоновская магия в emacs :) почему то для os.<> есть доплнения а для os.path.<> уже нет
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[20:18:51] Ляпатяпа: окей, я понял. Но у меня немного другая ситуация и двух-буквенные константы будут идеально включаться в код, а с const. будет уже не так
[20:19:07] Муркт: Ляпатяпа: двухбуквенные константы - это странный ход
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[20:19:21] Муркт: ты уверен, что они нормально пониматься и читаться будут?
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[20:19:32] Муркт: if i == BC
[20:19:39] Муркт: if i == KL
[20:19:42] bobry: криптография какая то :)
[20:19:43] Ляпатяпа: ага, они из предметной области=)
[20:19:46] bobry: ах
[20:19:55] Муркт: ну раз предметная область...
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[20:20:29] Ляпатяпа: http://www.footter.com/team/Doxa_Katokopia/ - посмотрите в нижней табличку столбец позиций
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[20:21:33] Ляпатяпа: т.е. вратарь = GK = 1
[20:21:53] Ляпатяпа: if player.position == GK:
[20:21:54] Муркт: предметная область - футбол? хех
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[20:32:12] Александp: джангисты
[20:32:43] Александp: пишу тут мидлварку для субдоменов
хочу сделать так, чтобы домены
blog.test.ru, photo.test.ru, test.ru обрабатывались одним проектом
как бы это получше и удобнее тестировать с помощью встроенного сервера?
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[20:34:15] Ляпатяпа: хз как в джанге. Я тут разбираюсь с торнадо, там вроде как это не сложно, есть встроенная поддержка виртуалхостов
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[20:34:55] Ляпатяпа: да
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[22:05:41] Мозгошредер: /me накидал скрипт по переделке 11-значных номеров в 10-значные в vcf
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[22:25:44] pzskc383: гм. не туда вопрос конечно, но где можно получить список элементов внутри которых можно разместить div
[22:25:50] pzskc383: т.е. это не inline, понятно
[22:25:57] pzskc383: но вот что делать c img
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[22:26:46] pzskc383: просто <h[0-6]>, <p>, <div>, <li> ?
[22:27:37] Большой Лис: h0 не бывает
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[22:29:56] pzskc383: верно замечено
[22:30:18] pzskc383: s/\[0/\[1/
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[22:34:22] Муркт: внутри параграфа див нельзя размещать
[22:34:24] Муркт: внутри хединга тоже
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[22:39:52] pzskc383: да. точно.
[22:40:15] pzskc383: а, li тоже же инлайн
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[22:57:40] Муркт: pzskc383: div можно внутри div, body :)
[22:57:55] Муркт: думаю что и всё. Не уверен даже, что внутри form можно
[22:58:04] Муркт: проще стандарт заценить.
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[23:01:33] bobry: Муркт: а можно на твой конфиг емакса глянуть, плиз? если это не очень нагло
[23:02:04] Муркт: bobry: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/conf/file/d14af849b8e4/.emacs.d
[23:02:12] Муркт: это его, но у меня почти такой же
[23:02:18] bobry: тогда не интересно
[23:02:19] bobry: :)
[23:02:24] Муркт: мы ж братья.
[23:02:35] bobry: серьезно?
[23:02:39] Муркт: да
[23:02:44] bobry: ого, не знал :)
[23:02:56] bobry: большая разница в возрасте?
[23:02:59] Муркт: ну тут транспаранты нигде не висят
[23:03:00] Муркт: 3 года
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[23:03:25] bobry: sweet :)
[23:04:07] Муркт: неожиданно? :)
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[23:04:41] Мозгошредер: Муркт, да :)
[23:04:52] Муркт: срываем все покровы
[23:05:05] bobry: :D
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[23:06:04] Мозгошредер: Олсо, наши сборніе сегодня порадовали. Все 3 :)
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[23:06:39] bobry: что там наполях?
[23:06:40] Муркт: Мозгошредер: кто, с кем, какой вид спорта?
[23:06:45] bobry: футбол надо думать
[23:06:45] Мозгошредер: U19, U21 и обычная
[23:06:48] Мозгошредер: футбол
[23:06:51] Мозгошредер: Андорра - Украина 0:6
[23:06:55] Мозгошредер: Словения (U-21) − Украина (U-21) 0:2
[23:07:03] Мозгошредер: Украина U19 - Швеция U19 - 1:0
[23:07:21] Муркт: u19 и u21 - юниорские? и написан верхний возраст?
[23:07:26] Мозгошредер: да
[23:07:30] Мозгошредер: under19
[23:08:10] Муркт: Круто.
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