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[09:06:40] Darth Лис: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/funny-pictures-cat-will-help-with-bombs.jpg
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[10:38:15] RaD: камрады, использую pyserial,делаю p = serial.Serial(..); res = p.write('30000000\x0A\x00'); print type(res)
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[10:38:37] RaD: последняя строка выдаёт NoneType, как правильно отправить данные в COM порт.
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[10:46:31] mishok13: а почему ты думаешь, что p.write должен что-то возвращать?
[10:47:00] RaD: в доке написано, что должен возвращать количество засунутых в порт байт
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[10:47:39] piranha: dumpz.org <http://dumpz.org> заипал не работать
[10:48:12] RaD: вот мегакод - http://dpaste.com/107991/
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[10:49:31] mishok13: хм, по коду тоже должен чото возвращать
[10:49:46] RaD: это я написал :)
[10:49:53] mishok13: pySerial?
[10:49:55] RaD: подсматривая в примеры pySerial
[10:50:03] mishok13: я про код pySerial
[10:50:12] mishok13: у тебя ось какая?
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[10:52:04] mishok13: ну он там вообще возвращать всегда должен длину строки которую ты передал
[10:52:22] RaD: я в курсе, вопрос был: что я сделал неправильно
[10:52:23] mishok13: там только одна точка выхода без исключений
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[11:21:49] kawaikunee: Кто-нибудь заморачивался с тем, чтобы прикрутить FCKeditor к проекту на Pylons ?
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[13:36:36] tilarids_: думаю, есть еще живые, но они не принимают участия в это глуповатой считалочке
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[13:38:48] RaD: использую pySerial, параметры порта выставляю согласно доке
[13:39:09] RaD: читалка висит на USB-COM, светодиодами реагирует адекватно, но код не отдаёт
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[14:16:46] RaD: '30000000\x10' ?
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[15:16:50] огыешсук: piranha: а твой opster работает ли?
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[15:17:44] огыешсук: piranha: пробую пример из доки с параметром --help и получаю 'main: invalid arguments'
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[15:18:38] piranha: брр
[15:18:44] piranha: мож я чота поменял, а доку забыл поправить
[15:18:50] piranha: в тестах всë работает
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[15:22:18] огыешсук: piranha: ага, если писать не main() а main(argv=sys.argv[1:]) то работает. Но это требует import sys говорить!
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[15:22:57] piranha: да, но иначе функции без аргументов ломаются
[15:23:10] piranha: я пока размышляю, как же быть - видишь вот, даже релиз не сделал
[15:23:33] огыешсук: не красиво это, и лишний импорт и main(argv=sys.argv[1:])
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[15:23:41] piranha: угу
[15:23:50] piranha: но как заставить работать их как обычную функцию?
[15:24:17] tilarids_: огыешсук: лишний импорт, зато работает правильно, а не странно
[15:24:19] огыешсук: Таки какая сейчас оптпарсилка наиболее красивая?
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[15:24:31] tilarids_: piranha: ты таки пофиксил эту муть?
[15:24:54] огыешсук: tilarids_: это не красиво, не люблю писать заведомо некрасивый код
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[15:25:20] tilarids_: огыешсук: ты предпочитаешь, когда внутри неправильно работающая магия?
[15:25:23] tilarids_: ;)
[15:25:37] огыешсук: Да. Если она действительно работающая.
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[15:26:14] tilarids_: она там слегка неправильно работающая была.
[15:26:18] piranha: угу
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[15:26:23] tilarids_: можешь откатиться назад по версиям
[15:26:30] piranha: и я пока не придумал, как же это зафиксить
[15:26:34] piranha: но мне этот импорт тоже не импонирует )
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[15:29:10] огыешсук: а optfunc вам как?
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[15:29:35] огыешсук: Вроде выглядит неплохо, затещу...
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[15:39:08] mr.oduvan: кто нить это когда нить юзал? http://psyco.sourceforge.net/
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[15:40:08] огыешсук: наверняка
[15:40:29] огыешсук: этой штуке столько лет, что кто нить несомненно это когда нить юзал
[15:40:32] tilarids_: mr.oduvan: вопросы какие?
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[15:51:21] mr.oduvan: ну... обещают, что оно быстрое... значит модно простой интерпритатор им заменить?
[15:51:31] mr.oduvan: я правильно понял?
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[16:00:54] tilarids_: mr.oduvan: нет, ты не очень правильно понял, что это такое
[16:01:03] tilarids_: почитай еще :)
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[16:04:32] огыешсук: не, это уже не модно, сейчас модно юзать сайтоны всяческие
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[16:06:13] mishok13: а при чем здесь cython вообще?
[16:07:23] tilarids_: cython , кстати, интересная штука, но вот по конечным результатам я сделал вывод, что реализация подкачала.
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[16:07:33] огыешсук: mishok13: а разве нынче питона оптимизировать ещё чем то модно?
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[16:09:48] mishok13: я даже не знаю
[16:09:55] mishok13: ты сравниваешь теплое с мягким
[16:10:25] mishok13: точнее, автогенератор сишного кода из почти питоновского и JIT
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[16:11:28] mishok13: cython сравним с, эээ, pyrex
[16:11:48] tilarids_: при этом самое странное, что JIT в этом случае работает шустрее, чем Cython.
[16:11:49] огыешсук: думаю, сравнение психа с интерпретатором питона выше открыло нам достаточные перспективы и вольности :o)
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[16:13:29] mishok13: ты путаешься
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[16:13:42] mishok13: CPython -- компилятор, Psyco -- компилятор
[16:13:48] mishok13: вполне уместное сравнение
[16:14:04] mishok13: tilarids_, ну, не так уж и странно
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[16:14:36] tilarids_: mishok13: почему не так уж и странно? psyco же не все может прекомпилировать, а Cython компилит всё
[16:14:52] tilarids_: но даже не это странно
[16:14:57] огыешсук: mishok13: тогда к чему был твой вопрос "а при чем здесь cython вообще", если cython действительно моднее о чём я и написал?
[16:15:14] tilarids_: странно, что одинаковый чисто арифметический код на Cython и psyco компилится по разному
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[16:16:31] mishok13: tilarids, ну здрассте, Psyco -- JIT compiler, заточенный под одну-единственную архитектуру
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[16:17:04] mishok13: а ситон генерирует сотни тысяч строк сишного кода, неоптимального, который компилируется обычным cc
[16:17:23] mishok13: Psyco быстрее именно из-за узкозаточенности
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[16:18:09] mishok13: огыешсук, ты продолжаешь утверждать, что моднее быть теплым, чем мягким
[16:18:54] огыешсук: mishok13: лучше быть живым, чем дохлым
[16:19:18] mishok13: уход от темы
[16:19:24] tilarids_: mishok13: ну, так а разве cc не должен создавать более оптимальный код при прочих равных? Вот не поверю, что в заточку psyco было вложено больше средств, чем в заточку cc.
Неужто он генерит _так_ много лишнего кода на практически сишном подклассе питона?
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[16:19:32] mishok13: псайко, кситате, вполне себе жив
[16:20:07] mishok13: tilarids, ты лазил когда-нибудь по коду гнутого cc?
[16:20:08] огыешсук: вот-вот. в отличии от
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[16:21:16] mishok13: как ни странно, нет, гнутый cc не создает оптимальный код
[16:21:27] mishok13: потому-то интеловские компиляторы до сих пор покупают
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[16:23:11] огыешсук: "оптимальный" в данном случае не дискретная характеристика, но "он делает более оптимальный, чем"
[16:23:52] tilarids_: а cython не может юзать интеловский компилер?
[16:24:21] mishok13: tilarids_, может
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[16:24:46] tilarids_: ну, и при использовании интеловского компилера он показывает результаты лучше?
[16:24:47] mishok13: если там нету ненужных ifdef'ов
[16:24:55] mishok13: я хз
[16:25:06] tilarids_: надо проверить как-нибудь
[16:25:27] tilarids_: давно хочу написать о том, какая тормозятина этот всеми любимый Cython :)
[16:25:29] mishok13: я знаю что у нас интеловский компилятор использовался в висонике
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[16:25:55] mishok13: ну и по тестам он давал на 40-50% более быстрый код
[16:26:10] mishok13: это при том, что код писали эмбедщики, а эти на компилятор не полагаются :)
[16:26:29] mishok13: сайтон гавно да, пиши на Python C API
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[16:30:28] огыешсук: а ничего так optfunc работает. Вот бы ещё и дефолты в хелп автоматом подставлял -- совсем бы было хорошо
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[16:31:37] tilarids_: их всё еще меньше, чем кейвордов в питоне
[16:31:52] огыешсук: скорее патч вильсону выслать
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[19:30:52] cutwater: и не создает таблицы к ним...
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[19:57:39] Ляпатяпа: а в firebug or web developer можно увидеть результаты аякс-запросов?
[19:58:03] Ляпатяпа: а то 500 ошибка, а трайса нет, отключать дебаг лень каждый раз
[19:58:28] Ляпатяпа: или пора научиться пользовать pdb?
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[20:15:04] Ляпатяпа: RuntimeError('dictionary changed size during iteration',)
[20:15:11] Ляпатяпа: писец конечно ошибка...
[20:15:23] Ляпатяпа: зато научился вызывать ipython из кода
[20:15:31] piranha: а как ты себе представляешь такое?!
[20:16:09] Ляпатяпа: ты мне?
[20:16:12] piranha: в смысле, как оно должно действовать, если ты словарь во время перебора меняешь?
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[20:16:15] piranha: ну да
[20:16:43] Ляпатяпа: ну хз, мне надо было просто удалить итемы с пустым value
[20:16:53] piranha: %)
[20:17:01] Ляпатяпа: for key, value in player_tdb.items():
if not value:
player_tdb.pop(key)
[20:17:09] piranha: new = dict((k, v) for k, v in old.items() if v)
[20:17:10] Ляпатяпа: ну а было вначале с iteritems
[20:17:29] Ляпатяпа: о, это тру-функциональный подход?
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[20:45:24] Ляпатяпа: ipython вызывать из джанги для отладки - рулез однозначно. я даже сниппет написал для этого
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[22:53:16] nmk: piranha: я не знаю как фейсбук тебя мне засазгетил в друзья, но я тебя добавил ;)
[22:53:26] piranha: ;-)
[22:53:32] piranha: khul
[22:53:45] nmk: я даже не догадываюсь где мы в корешах можем пересекаться ;)
[22:53:53] piranha: ;-)))
[22:53:57] piranha: там иногда странные вещи приходят
[22:54:12] piranha: моднячая фотка ;)
[22:54:13] nmk: ну. не. возможно там через цепочки как-то он сасгестит
[22:54:16] nmk: фотка да
[22:54:31] nmk: на день рождения чувак меня фоткал. я там правда в полуноль уже. но этого не видно :)
[22:54:33] piranha: в светлое будущее смотришь? ;)
[22:54:56] nmk: да ну не. он мне сказал смотри куда-то. я смотрел. мне было все равно. это в кфц было. ;)
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[22:55:27] piranha: )))
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[22:55:34] piranha: ээ… что такое кфц?
[22:55:44] nmk: ну. цеплята кентуки :)
[22:56:24] nmk: хавка :)
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[23:03:27] nmk: вот кстати фейсбук. у меня как-то невидимый div с большим z-index перекрывает весь экран и мне никуда не нажать, пока не убьешь его в файрбаге.
[23:03:37] nmk: <div id="generic_dialog_overlay"/>
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[23:05:04] nmk: хоть для грисманки скрипт пиши
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[23:07:30] piranha: гы
[23:07:32] piranha: найс
[23:08:47] nmk: я надеюсь что это только у меня такой баг. иначе я очень жалею там саппорт.
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[23:22:29] piranha: >>> def url(x):
... print x
...
>>> __import__('one', {'url': url})
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
NameError Traceback (most recent call last)

/Users/piranha/test/<ipython console> in <module>()

/Users/piranha/test/one.py in <module>()
----> 1 url('q')

NameError: name 'url' is not defined

[23:22:32] piranha: any ideas why?
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[23:39:04] piranha: мляя… кто б мне напомнил, как я фиксил наличие пробела после дополнения в ипитоне :(
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[23:39:56] nmk: у меня не добивается. по крайней мере после print.
[23:40:12] piranha: это проблема с макосью
[23:40:15] piranha: я забыл в чëм дело
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[23:40:21] piranha: где-то что-то надо исправить
[23:40:25] piranha: гррр!!!
[23:40:31] piranha: я просрал полдня полгода назад %)
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