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[02:22:33] slav0nic: по одувану сразу видно, что в приватбанке кодил ))
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[10:02:30] Муркт: red-agent> Ей-богу ктулху уже отобедал.
slav0nic> по одувану сразу видно, что в приватбанке кодил ))

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[11:20:15] feedbot: NoSQL: Нереляционные хранилища http://webnewage.org/2009/10/17/nosql/
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[11:24:06] Муркт: уже 18 октября, а Unladen Swallow Q3 всё нету
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[12:14:12] Ляпатяпа: слушайте, а хаскель же компилируется. Как у него с производительностью, ближе к Си, Яве, питону?
[12:14:13] Муркт: угу
[12:15:52] Муркт: Ляпатяпа: медленнее первых двух, но быстрее питона значительно
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[16:12:34] dicos: Вопрос по джанге не могу войти в админку, по адресу http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin/, в ответ TemplateDoesNotExist at /admin/ admin/login.html
urls.py http://govnokod.com/1691, config.py http://govnokod.com/1692, что вышло http://govnokod.com/1693
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[16:13:07] bobry: в settings.py забыл добавить INSTALLED_APPS = (
'django.contrib.admin',...
[16:13:11] bobry: я так думаю
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[16:14:58] dicos: да, точно, спасибо, верные у Вас мысли ;-)
[16:15:15] bobry: незачто :) сам недавно на таком прокололся
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[17:33:52] dlx89: народ можно декоратором сделать чтобы все переменные в функции стали глобальными?
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[17:34:41] _lorien: зачем?
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[17:35:11] dlx89: чтобы не писать global
[17:35:40] dicos: В джанге есть возможность перевести название полей? http://pixs.ru/showimage/SnimokDoba_6223537_327559.png
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[17:35:42] _lorien: может быть просто архитектура приложения неправильная?
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[17:35:45] maxp: не надо так делать
[17:35:59] maxp: пред. для dlx89
[17:36:31] _lorien: dicos, читай про Meta.verbose_name и ещё про SomeField(verbose_name=) тоже читай
[17:36:43] dlx89: не вообще можно сделать такой декоратор?
[17:36:46] dicos: Хорошо, почитаю
[17:37:36] _lorien: dlx89, это какое-то извращение непонятное
[17:37:55] cutwater: можно вот только не нужно
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[17:38:04] cutwater: все можно
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[17:38:20] maxp: cutwater: а как, кстати?
[17:38:31] dlx89: вот именно, как
[17:38:43] cutwater: dlx89, вот тебе скажи так ты и напишешь
[17:38:49] cutwater: лучше тебе об этом не знать
[17:38:50] _lorien: да я вот тоже не пойму, функция когда будет работать - может влюбом месте создать сколько угодно переменных
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[17:38:54] maxp: надо подменять локальный словарь переменных и следить за добавлениями в него
[17:39:00] _lorien: это надо каждую инструкцию в функции отслеживать )
[17:39:10] maxp: мрак...
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[17:39:33] _lorien: да, задача сформулированна нечётко :)
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[17:40:43] maxp: _lorien: правильно сформулировать так - "пусть моя программа будет работать как Бэйсик, хотя я всем буду говортиь, что она на Питоне" :)
[17:40:55] dlx89: _lorien: ну вроде бы как у функций не будет своего пространства имён и они будут использовать глобальное
[17:41:20] dlx89: maxp: что-то типа того, да
[17:41:59] _lorien: dlx89, хрен знает, я питон так хорошо не знаю, но затея точно левая :)
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[17:43:24] maxp: dlx89: ну даже не знаю
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[17:43:54] maxp: это явный изврат, и вряд ли он стоит того, чтобы им заниматься
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[17:44:29] maxp: если интересно, конечно, то сорцы вам в руки :)
[17:44:56] cutwater: это бред имхо
[17:45:03] cutwater: изначально немного не так думал задача стояла
[17:45:10] cutwater: но это феерический бред
[17:45:18] maxp: а самое главное - если много где хочется написать global то судя по всему стоит вместо извращений
[17:45:22] maxp: поучиться программировать
[17:45:42] cutwater: хм.. скока на питоне пишу вроде еще не приходилось global использовать ни разу
[17:45:51] maxp: cutwater: аналогично
[17:46:10] maxp: кстати, на совсем худой конец можно сделать нечто вроде
[17:46:21] maxp: my_glob = {}
[17:46:33] maxp: def f(): my_glob['a']='b'
[17:47:40] _lorien: def foo():
global a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z
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[17:48:14] maxp: козырно! :)
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[17:50:10] cutwater: омг
[17:50:12] cutwater: :)
[17:50:39] dlx89: если точнее можно даже сказать так. стоит проблема анализа байт-кода функции в декораторе. как можно из f.func_code вытащить значения переменных там объявленных?
[17:50:55] cutwater: вопрос зачем?
[17:51:23] dlx89: нужно
[17:51:32] maxp: объявленный в какой момент?
[17:51:38] maxp: == объявленных
[17:52:03] maxp: в разные моменты времени там разный набор переменных
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[17:52:39] Муркт: cutwater: я займу такую же позицию
[17:52:58] Муркт: если хочется сделать какую-то феерическую хуету, то стоит задуматься - зачем всё это
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[17:53:05] Муркт: тоже ни разу global не использовал
[17:53:11] dlx89: maxp: в конце функции
[17:53:25] maxp: вообще, если хочется странного, то надо смотреть в сторону дебагеров или внутренних средств интерпретера, но не языка
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[17:53:33] Муркт: > как можно из f.func_code вытащить значения переменных там объявленных?
Никак.
[17:53:50] Муркт: в func_code хранится код, а не значения переменных.
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[17:54:29] Муркт: maxp: если хочется настолько странного, то стоит переосмыслить задачу, или хотя бы рассказать людям зачем всё это
[17:54:38] maxp: Муркт: ага
[17:55:03] dlx89: не, рассказывать я не буду:-)
[17:55:16] Муркт: dlx89: стыдно?
[17:55:24] maxp: зачастую вместо того, чтобы просто взять и сделать, народ неделями думает как бы похитрее извернуться.
[17:55:31] dlx89: Муркт: стесняюсь
[17:55:50] Муркт: dlx89: не бойся, мы тут уже не один десяток диагнозов поставили - стесняться нечего
[17:56:38] Муркт: в конце концов тебя никто не травит (red-agent пока оффлайн), и забанить никто не хочет =))
[17:57:18] _lorien: почему оффлайн? Вот же он -->
[17:58:06] Муркт: _lorien: не возле клавиатуры ;)
[17:58:52] dlx89: Муркт: вот ты говоришь никак, dis.dis() же показывает и имена и содержание переменных, но надо чтобы оно возвращало а не печатало
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[17:59:24] Муркт: dlx89: он показывает, какими значениями их инициализирует, а не какие у них значения в конце функции.
[18:00:10] fake4me: ребят, а где можно посмотреть статистику по скорости работы django и других фреймворков?
[18:00:18] maxp: особенно интересно, как находить у функции (извините) конец
[18:00:37] dlx89: Муркт: да, прав_lorien придётся каждую строку анализировать
[18:00:46] maxp: там ведь может быть просто тупой конец без ничего
[18:00:47] Муркт: вы чёнах, с ума все посходили?
[18:00:54] maxp: может быть return посередине
[18:01:01] maxp: а еще rais или yield
[18:01:23] Муркт: maxp: а ещё просто выбросить эксепшен может. И что? :)
[18:01:40] maxp: ну там raise это и подразумевало
[18:01:51] maxp: и да, просто эесепшен
[18:02:02] maxp: какой-нибудь вложенный тоже.
[18:02:06] dlx89: maxp: в декорируемых функциях не будет return и yield
[18:02:29] Муркт: dlx89: задача просто как двери. Но скажи нам - зачем?
[18:02:51] _lorien: что за двери? :D
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[18:03:11] Муркт: _lorien: канадские
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[18:03:28] maxp: dlx89: если функция твоя, то втыкай в нее где надо pdb
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[18:03:56] maxp: мы тут клещами инфу выуживаем из тебя
[18:03:59] dlx89: Муркт: скрипт с таким декоратором будет писать малознакомый с программированием человек
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[18:04:22] _lorien: зачем ему ваще питон? :D
[18:04:32] maxp: тогда тем более надо ожидать runtime exception
[18:04:41] Муркт: если он малознаком с программированием, то без разницы как оно себя будет вести - как ты ему объяснишь, так он и будет писать
[18:04:45] Муркт: и не надо на бейсик рассчитывать
[18:05:15] _lorien: пускай пишет на каком-нить простом выдуманном языке, а потом его надо интерпретировать и выполнять :)
[18:05:29] Муркт: ага
[18:05:37] dlx89: _lorien: я думал об этом
[18:07:41] _lorien: и каков итог раздумий? :)
[18:07:59] maxp: dlx89: что писать-то надо?
[18:08:04] dlx89: _lorien: итог ща скажу
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[18:12:35] dlx89: в конце функции выполнить globals().update(locals())
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[18:18:46] maxp: dlx89: и что будет в таком случае -
[18:18:50] maxp: g = 1
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[18:18:57] maxp: def f(): b = g
[18:19:00] maxp: ?
[18:19:02] _lorien: проще уж return locals(), а во внешнем коде сделать update globals
[18:19:14] _lorien: т.е. меньше букв писать каждый раз надо будет :)
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[18:19:35] maxp: не дописал в код
[18:19:38] maxp: g = 2
[18:19:42] maxp: после def
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[18:22:49] dlx89: maxp: а что будет после def?
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[18:23:35] maxp: я к тому, что
[18:23:38] maxp: a = 1
[18:23:45] maxp: b = [ a ]
[18:23:50] maxp: def c():
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[18:24:42] dlx89: _lorien: а если эту строку в текст а потом exec(text)? то еще меньше букв
[18:24:47] maxp: a = 2
[18:24:57] maxp: b[1] == ?
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[18:25:47] maxp: что-то я опять не то написал, однако
[18:26:08] dlx89: maxp: индекс еррор. в b один нулевой елемент
[18:26:17] maxp: b[0]
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[18:27:44] dlx89: b[0]==1
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[18:28:46] maxp: в общем, если в a присвоить какой-нибудь объект,
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[18:29:01] maxp: то локальное переприсваивание глобально не отразится
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[18:30:55] maxp: блин, тяжело писать в два окошка сразу - и там и там фигня получается :))
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[18:33:51] dlx89: a=1
def c():
a=2
globals().update(locals())
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[18:34:36] dlx89: maxp: потом вызов с() и чему равно a==?
[18:35:21] maxp: 2
[18:35:24] maxp: по всей видимости
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[18:35:45] dlx89: ну того мне и надо
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[20:53:34] xa4a: линк выше был, а ещё не обсудили http://code.google.com/p/spyderlib/
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[21:06:38] Муркт: xa4a: я смотрел, но не ставил себе
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[21:20:13] feedbot: Профессиональные желания http://pyobject.ru/blog/2009/10/19/wishlist/
Язык программирования Python / [Ссылка] Хитрости стандартного %(шаблонизатора)s http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/72744/
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[21:46:07] Муркт: подозреваю, что там очень хитрые хитрости
[21:46:27] bobry: да ничего такого..
[21:46:49] bobry: громкий заголовок, а оказалось обычный __getitem__ перегруженый
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[21:52:09] bobry: *OK*
[21:53:13] piranha: так это ж скокалетней давности статья Джеймса Таубера тему раскрывает
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