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[10:20:55] kawaikunee: Пробую отправить e-mail с помощью smtplib через Windows-сервер. Упорно выдает "535, Authentication failed", хотя логин пароль верные. Что посоветуете?
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[10:23:26] kawaikunee: скрипт запускается на линукс-машине, локаль utf8, кодировка скрипта тоже
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[10:34:57] _lorien: ну, логи посмотреть на windows сервере
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[10:48:50] kawaikunee: сервер не в моей власти)) это корпоративная почта. Outlook, ThunderBird работают на 5
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[10:51:14] nmk: kawaikunee: какой-нибудь другой метод аутенфикации? просинфить все и сравнить
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[10:53:33] kawaikunee: В настройках громоптицы "Использовать защищенное соединение" - Нет. Настройка аутентификации - использовать имя и пароль))
[10:53:47] kawaikunee: много не сказало
[10:54:18] kawaikunee: nmk: наведите на мысль о "другой метод аутентификации", если не сложно
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[10:55:09] nmk: ну там, plain, cram-md5
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[10:55:35] nmk: проснифь и посмотри. я не знаю что там там у тебя корпоративная почта поддерживает
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[11:01:44] RaD: re, народ, кто пользуется мэппингом в /etc/network/interfaces?
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[11:02:12] RaD: как можно сделать, чтобы мэппинг поднимал eth1 только в том случае, если все проверки для eth0 обломились?
[11:02:43] nmk: а такое можно вообще?
[11:02:57] RaD: хз, но очень хочется :)
[11:03:18] nmk: что значит обломались провреки?
[11:03:23] nmk: нету девайса?
[11:03:55] RaD: пришел домой, кинул ноут на докстейшн, проверка для eth0 прочухала это и включила сеть по проводам
[11:04:04] RaD: а если не кинул, то врубаем вайфай
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[11:05:12] nmk: ээ. м. ну. у меня в голове только хитрые схемы с виртуальными интерфейсами и бондингом. но может можно проще, скажем через ifscheme. у меня везде вайфай, и через ifscheme разруливаю разные сети. может там можно что-то и покруче. ;)
[11:05:27] nmk: ifscheme allows you to change network configuration schemes or query the current scheme. It integrates with the ifup(8) command and interfaces(5). For example, you might use this program to configure a "home" scheme and a "work" scheme for a network device on a laptop. When you move between home and work, a simple command can reconfigure your networking.
[11:05:39] nmk: может когда в док втыкаешь евент какой приходит, по нему перерубать схему :)
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[11:05:56] RaD: может, я не смотрел
[11:06:03] RaD: я гляну ifscheme, пасиб
[11:06:14] nmk: там есть еще что-то похожее
[11:06:17] nmk: я забыл как называется
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[11:07:10] nmk: RaD: http://packages.debian.org/sid/ifplugd
[11:07:13] nmk: помоему то что надо
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[11:21:53] FBI: всем дня
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[11:22:30] FBI: Кто нить пишет проги на телефонном питоне?
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[11:23:40] RaD: для этого нужен телефон с s60
[11:23:59] RaD: а для этого надо отказаться от телефона с s40
[11:24:15] FBI: RaD: у меня есть.)
[11:24:27] FBI: Н70 нокиа
[11:24:37] kawaikunee: nmk: plain и cram-md5 не пашут. А еще какие бывают, интересно
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[11:24:59] nmk: да их много. digest-md5 например. погугли.
[11:25:01] FBI: На него есть модули для работы с icq или jabber?
[11:25:43] sevenov: FBI, смпрочи у CIA на казале pys60@cjr
[11:25:44] sevenov: :D
[11:25:50] sevenov: *спроси
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[11:26:00] kawaikunee: nmk: в яблочко!
[11:26:15] kawaikunee: nmk: именно этот оказался. Большое спасибо
[11:26:25] FBI: sevenov: ша попробую)
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[11:26:57] nmk: kawaikunee: вообще если бы ты телнетом туда подключился или бы проснифил, то увидил бы те методы, которые поддерживает сервер
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[11:27:42] kawaikunee: nmk: к сожалению с этим не знаком. Но учту!
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[11:29:10] kawaikunee: nmk: я не состою в группе тех, кому можно туда телнетится. Да и шут с ним, что надо я узнал уже)
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[11:29:45] nmk: ээ. просто telnet smtphost 25 нельзя что-ли?
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[11:44:11] xa4a: (11:25:00) FBI: На него есть модули для работы с icq или jabber?
[11:44:17] xa4a: на s60 можно поднять твистед?
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[11:45:13] tilarids: xa4a: думаю, да
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[11:45:37] tilarids: там более-менее вменяемый питон, если мне не изменяет память
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[11:46:11] slav0nic: зато твистед невменяемый)
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[11:46:58] mishok13: твистед лох
[11:46:59] tilarids: slav0nic: спорный вопрос :) В качестве средства быстрой разработки вполне терпим.(ИМХО, не нужно устраивать холивар)
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[11:51:34] xa4a: эй, это не я спросил!
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[11:52:50] mishok13: твистед прикручивать тяжело туда
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[12:20:10] feedbot: Python Gotchas 1: __del__ is not the opposite of __init__ http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9vtjo/python_gotchas_1_del_is_not_the_opposite_of_init/
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[12:24:03] xa4a: интересный линк
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[12:24:20] xa4a: а я никак не мог понять откуда иногда берутся иксепшны с подписью ignored
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[12:34:25] mishok13: :/
[12:34:33] mishok13: сколько раз уже это обтирали?
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[12:41:28] mishok13: """Since in Python __init__ is the de-facto constructor""" ахтыжлол
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[12:42:20] mishok13: """If you do use __del__ make sure you are covered for any case in which __init__ didn't finish running""" опять-таки, лол
[12:42:37] mishok13: а если инит нормально прошел, но у нас циклическая зависимость?
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[13:42:56] mishok13: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9vr0u/magnum_web_server_python_epoll_by_focusing_on/
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[13:47:59] Большой Лис: хаха
[13:48:01] Большой Лис: каменты жгут
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[13:52:48] nmk: только чет ссылка не работает. http://code.google.com/p/magnum-py/
[13:53:44] Большой Лис: так в том то и шутка
[13:53:45] sevenov: >Linux with kernel 2.5.66+
охлол
[13:54:16] nmk: там исходников на ~15кб
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[13:54:55] mishok13: nmk, ну ты комменты почитай
[13:55:09] nmk: да. надо.
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[13:58:17] Большой Лис: смотрю на исходники реддита, первое тчо бросилось в глаза
from pylons import g
[13:58:20] Большой Лис: :/
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[14:00:18] огыешсук: http://comicjk.com/Pics/Comic272.gif кстати да, а в питоне 1 == True
[14:00:32] sevenov: жаль, что g не G.
[14:00:57] sevenov: огыешсук, а в сях ошибки == -1
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[14:02:32] mishok13: а еще isinstance(True, int) попробуй
[14:02:52] mishok13: даже лучше -- issubclass(bool, int)
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[15:38:11] Ляпатяпа: монго таки рулит. я думал будут проблемы при обновлении большого числа объектов, а нифига. в 600 объектах одну циферку надо поменять - мгновенно делает
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[15:40:32] slav0nic: а 600 это много?)
[15:40:46] xa4a: а я в коуче уже чо-то запутался. не могу добиться от него простой функциональности
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[15:48:23] mishok13: 600 это же ебаное ничего
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[15:50:33] Ляпатяпа: ну дык мгновенно зато
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[15:51:42] slav0nic: в субд тож мгновенно)
[15:53:08] mishok13: даже в sqlite3 это будет мгновенно
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[15:55:20] slav0nic: на работе по 10кк за сек инсертятся)
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[15:56:45] mishok13: в постгрес через COPY?
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[15:56:57] slav0nic: sybase iq
[15:57:15] mishok13: ну вот так вот сразу
[15:58:12] Большой Лис: а шо за iq?
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[15:58:52] slav0nic: для налитики бд
[15:59:01] slav0nic: *аналитики
[15:59:16] slav0nic: короче базы в 10Тб и селекты быстрые
[15:59:45] slav0nic: +кластера легко создаются
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[16:00:39] mishok13: неужто денег не хватает*
[16:00:44] mishok13: ?
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[16:34:44] Мозгошредер: Как можно завершить threading.Thread по KeyboardInterrupt? Он что-то его не ловит :(
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[16:35:16] RaD: имхо и не поймает :)
[16:35:26] Мозгошредер: тогда как его прибить?
[16:36:02] xa4a: никак
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[16:36:06] xa4a: треды не прибиваются
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[16:37:17] xa4a: можно выставлять в общедоступном месте флаг "треды, убейтесь", который треды регулярно проверяют, и когда он выставлен, убиваются
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[16:42:29] Мозгошредер: звучит как "отхожее место" %) Ну спасибо и на том.
[16:42:47] xa4a: так и есть
[16:42:55] xa4a: я, в своё время, круче не придумал
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[16:43:42] wonderfulll: как в апаче поставить домен по умолчанию, тоесть если набрал не существующий субдомен перекидывает на него?
[16:44:04] xa4a: в апаче?
[16:44:32] xa4a: в /etc/resolv.conf вписать search default.domain.com, вроде
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[16:45:01] RaD: имхо это в DNS надо прописывать
[16:45:14] RaD: судя по вопросу
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[16:46:31] RaD: вопрос: в джанго вызов встроенной процедуры в БД вызывается через raw sql?
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[17:12:26] _lorien: Мозгошредер, можно такой брутальненький способ заюзать
http://dumpz.org/13482/
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[17:49:12] Imbolc: Вот удивился, что в джанге нельзя сделать raise Http404('мессага') и потом эту мессагу в шаблоне получить. Как вы выводите ошибки по простому?
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[17:51:27] -=Бестия=- is now Устала .
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[17:53:22] -=Бестия=-: Хочу скачать какой нибудь jabber клинт чтобы был на русском и мало весил.... помогите
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[17:54:58] _lorien: Imbolc, а ты делай return HttpResponseNotFound(any_html_you_want)
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[17:55:55] Imbolc: _lorien, дык нужен именно эксепшн, чтобы отовсюду выкидывать
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[17:56:26] _lorien: а зачем его выкидывать где-то кроме view?
[17:56:28] _lorien: приведи пример
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[17:56:39] Imbolc: clean формы у мну
[17:57:00] _lorien: ну это мне кажется левой идеей :)
[17:57:35] _lorien: clean формы выкидывает forms.ValidationError и всё
[17:57:54] _lorien: если он будет выкидывать Http404 это будет смешением логики различных слоёв
[17:58:10] Imbolc: ты прав, я втупил похоже
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[19:20:08] feedbot: Has anyone else had problems with the subprocess module? http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/9vwt7/has_anyone_else_had_problems_with_the_subprocess/
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[20:53:05] Ляпатяпа: как подавить AttributeError в классе? Насколько помню, есть функция, которая запускается, если не найден аттрибут, нагуглить не могу.
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[20:57:30] Ляпатяпа: нагуглил __getattribute__, видимо оно
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[21:13:51] Ляпатяпа: ну вообще-то __getattr__
[21:14:02] Муркт: Ляпатяпа: есть и такое, и такое.
[21:14:04] Муркт: вроде бы
[21:14:52] Ляпатяпа: лол, я для проверки попробовал его в консоли - не получилось
[21:15:06] Ляпатяпа: а сейчас прочитал В Python начиная с версии 2.2 есть возможность использовать метод .__getattribute__() вместо похоже названного старого .__getattr__(). Точнее, она есть при использовании классов нового типа (new-style classes) - а обычно пользуются именно ими.
[21:15:43] Ляпатяпа: если делаю class nnn:, он же не new-style?
[21:16:15] Ляпатяпа: короче мне нужен просто __getattr__
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[21:17:07] Муркт: да
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[21:33:50] red-agent: Ляпатяпа, __getattribute__ вызывается в не зависимости от того найден ли аттрубут нормальными методами MRO.
[21:34:03] red-agent: А __getattr__ вызывается только есть аттрибует не найден.
[21:34:04] Ляпатяпа: дада, я уже понял
[21:34:29] red-agent: /me потирает руки и тихо матерится.
[21:34:46] red-agent: Картошку чистить -- это не на python рукоблудить... x_X
[21:35:07] Ляпатяпа: мне реально нужен __getattr__, в модели джанги нужны дополнительные поля, которые хотел создавать динамически
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