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[10:34:30] Izvr: тут есть кто-нить кроме hr-ов, которые людей ищут?
[10:34:35] Izvr: я хотел кое что спросить
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[10:35:09] Izvr: вот у меня есть модель например Node и модели Model1, Model2, .... которые имеют на этот Node Fk
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[10:35:42] Izvr: как я могу по id Node получить все объекты всех моделей, которые на него ссылаются
[10:35:59] Izvr: ну т.е. не руками выбирать для каждой модели связи, а так чтобы для всех
[10:36:24] Izvr: ну или хотя бы получить список моделей, которые на него ссылаются, чтобы можно было цикл прогнать
[10:36:46] _lorien: написать функцию которая для каждой модели сделает запрос и вернёт общий список? :)
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[10:37:25] _lorien: http://bitbucket.org/montylounge/django-proxy/ вот это ещё погляди, но это для content type отношений, вроде б
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[10:40:26] Izvr: ну в целом Node по сути элемент дерева, который бы ссылался на произвольную модель
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[10:40:43] Izvr: ну относительно произвольную
[10:40:52] Izvr: в которой fk соответствующий есть
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[10:43:13] _lorien: In [11]: f._meta.get_all_related_objects()
Out[11]: [<RelatedObject: feedzilla:post related to feed>]
хм
[10:43:16] _lorien: может оно? :)
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[10:43:30] _lorien: f - это у меня Feed на который ссылается Post
[10:43:55] Izvr: ну может
[10:43:58] Izvr: надо попробовать
[10:44:11] _lorien: ну пробуй :)
[10:44:15] Izvr: кстати в django 1.1 появились proxy model
[10:44:23] Izvr: я тут сижу и вникаю что это
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[11:44:03] wonderfulll: мож кто поделиться баш скриптом для пихаровского django-cpserver?
[11:44:28] Izvr: а что это?
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[11:57:08] dicos: Приветствую еще раз. Пожалуйста помогите http://softwaremaniacs.org/forum/django/15426/
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[11:59:05] _lorien: In [21]: locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, 'ru_RU.UTF-8')
Out[21]: 'ru_RU.UTF-8'
In [22]: print re.compile(ur'джанго', re.U | re.I).search(u'Джанго')
None

wtf?
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[12:01:38] _lorien: wonderfulll, http://bitbucket.org/lorien/spawn/src/tip/spawn.sh
[12:02:10] wonderfulll: большое спасибо )
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[12:02:27] wonderfulll: а то уже сам писать начал )
[12:02:29] _lorien: ну только конфиг надо подправить в начале
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[12:03:33] wonderfulll: ага, вижу, ну главное каркас есть )
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In [25]: print re.compile(ur'[дД]жанго', re.U | re.I).search(u'Джанго')
<_sre.SRE_Match object at 0x83bed78>
[12:05:06] red-agent: _lorien
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[12:05:38] _lorien: Вопрос в том, почему не работает re.I флаг, собственно
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[12:07:17] red-agent: _lorien, Это распространяется только на ascii
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[12:09:05] _lorien: re.I¶
re.IGNORECASE¶
Perform case-insensitive matching; expressions like [A-Z] will match lowercase letters, too. This is not affected by the current locale.

fuuuuck
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[12:18:08] _lorien: ну ничо, делаем lower() регекспу и тексту и это спасает
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[12:42:39] kawaikunee: SQLAlchemy many-to-many кто понимает хорошо?
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[12:52:32] RaD: есть у меня кошерный html, прошедший через tidy, чем его дальше обрабатывать в питоне?
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[12:54:38] Izvr: господа, вот как вы думаете, как правильно хранить много разнотипных форм в базе
[12:54:56] Izvr: причем часто пересекающихся и получающихся друг из друга
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[12:57:04] _lorien: RaD, BeautifulSoup, lxml, html5lib. Если не ошибаюсь они все жрут битый html с разной степенью успеха :)
[12:57:12] _lorien: т.е. tidy не нужен
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[12:57:24] RaD: я уже tidy применил :)
[12:57:53] _lorien: ну html'ем после tidy они не побрезгуют тоже :)
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[12:58:41] _lorien: Izvr, а зачем их в базе хранить?
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[12:58:54] Izvr: ну не формы, а заполненные формы
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[12:59:23] Izvr: т.е. документы, которые получаются из данных хранящихся в базе+вводимых пользователем
[12:59:41] Izvr: я тут первым делом придумал подход, когда для формы описывается джанговская модель
[12:59:51] Izvr: в которой все и хранится
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[13:00:24] Izvr: когда надо будет форму добавить придется менять исходники, давайте мол как-нить шаблончик забабахаем
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[13:00:43] RaD: ты разработчик - тебе решать :)
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[13:01:07] _lorien: вопрос в том, видимо, насколько часто будут формы меняться
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[13:18:19] Izvr: ну типа по будет сертифицироваться, изменение исходников повлечет пересертификацию
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[13:18:35] Izvr: я вот не могу представить как можно все это хранить где то помимо базы
[13:18:46] RaD: а вы на сертификацию отдавайте правильные исходники, че как маленькие
[13:18:54] Izvr: какие правильные?
[13:18:56] RaD: Izvr: в файлах можно ещё хранить :)
[13:19:05] Izvr: ну файлы парсить надо
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[13:19:17] Izvr: а это дурдом, если учесть что внушительная часть данных - fk
[13:19:22] RaD: правильные - это те, которые соответствуют распечаткам, которые были переданы вместе с теми двумя чемоданами бабла
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[13:20:19] RaD: подскажите по soup'у: я получил массив <p>, как получать их содержимое? как проверить наличие вложенных тегов?
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[13:21:41] _lorien: for p in poluchennii_massiv_p:
print p
[13:22:06] RaD: а пример не-для-дебилов можно?
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[13:22:38] Izvr: пример?
[13:22:40] RaD: меня интересует как получить fuцk из <p>fuцk</p> и как проверить наличие вложенных тегов
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[13:25:10] _lorien: ответ на первый вопрос obj.renderContents() :-)
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[13:27:51] _lorien: ну так ты бы завадал вопросы конкретные, а то что удивляться, что примеры для дебилов :)
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[13:28:44] AlexKiriukha: Пример конкретного (возможно) вопроса: как у объекта модели получить его content type id (чтобы отобразить в шаблоне)?
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[13:30:09] _lorien: RaD, проверить наличие подтегов можно так: len(node.findAll(True))
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[13:30:21] RaD: во! это полезно
[13:30:35] RaD: а как можно убрать из содержимого тега '\n'?
[13:30:45] _lorien: AlexKiriukha, прочитать документацию по ContentType? :-)
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[13:31:52] AlexKiriukha: _lorien: читал пару раз. Возможно где-то man-in-the-middle и мне приходит совершенно другая документация. Маловероятно, но другие объяснения обидные для себя самого.
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[13:42:26] RaD: /me возится с парсером законов РФ для большого брата :)
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[13:42:26] _lorien: foo = soup.find(...)
foo.string.replaceWith(foo.string.replace('\n', ''))
[13:42:26] _lorien: это с поддержанием целостности дерева
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[13:42:26] RaD: ! пасиб!
[13:42:27] _lorien: AlexKiriukha, http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/contenttypes/#django.contrib.contenttypes.models.ContentTypeManager.get_for_model ?
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[13:46:20] AlexKiriukha: _lorien: немного не то. Мне в шаблонах для объектах нужно его получать. Хотя ничто не мешает завернуть эту функцию в метод
[13:46:45] AlexKiriukha: _lorien: спасибо. Просто думал есть другие способы, которых не нашёл :-)
[13:47:04] _lorien: зачем метод? Template tag
[13:47:15] _lorien: иначе тебе придётся в каждую модель этот метод добавлять
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[13:48:31] AlexKiriukha: _lorien: точно, так даже значительно лучше. Но нужно посмотреть сколько будет запросов. Если на каждый объект - то это будет уже слишком. Показалось, что можно получить из самого инстанса.
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[13:49:04] _lorien: нуу, прикрутить кэширование внутрь этого template tag :-)
[13:49:26] _lorien: вообще возможно контенттайпы уже кэшируются самой джангой
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[13:50:29] AlexKiriukha: _lorien: похоже на то, но проверить всё равно нужно
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[14:09:28] _lorien: чтобы при �вылете� - гыгы, (http://planet.rubyonrails.ru/)
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[14:19:07] Izvr: кто-нить знает uml-редактор, который может модели джанго генерить
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[14:24:45] RaD: можно написать свой
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[14:25:24] RaD: /me рисует модели на листке, а потом быстро вбивает кода
[14:25:39] AlexKiriukha: Или добавить в dia. Вроде есть скрипт, который из dia позволяет делать sql схему.
[14:25:55] Izvr: ну свой это сильно
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[14:42:28] wonderfulll: если я апачем делаю ревёрс прокси на черрипи, то также питонпаф передаётся - PythonPath "['/path/to/project'] + sys.path"?
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[14:43:18] _lorien: Кем куда передаётся?
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[14:47:05] wonderfulll: как мне питон паф передать при проксирование на черри?
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[14:48:00] AlexKiriukha: Не сталкивался, но зачем прокси вообще знать python path?
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[14:48:40] wonderfulll: хорошо, как питон паф передать? )
[14:49:10] _lorien: wonderfulll, никак? :-)
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[14:50:05] wonderfulll: простое добавление в настройках проекта не помогает
[14:50:11] AlexKiriukha: Просто я сужу о прокси как работает apache+mongrel. Хотя это тоже знаю смутно. Кажется, что прокси вообще может не знать технологии, на которой сделан сайт. Или нет?
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[14:51:01] _lorien: Да, ему по барабану.
[14:51:58] wonderfulll: ок понятно, а как тогда избавиться от ImportError: No module named
[14:52:15] _lorien: wonderfulll, копай в сторону той либы, которую ты юзаешь для запуска джанги внутри cherrypy сервера, ищи как там path настраивается
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[14:52:27] wonderfulll: ImportError: No module named project_name
[14:52:27] _lorien: можно path вообще настраиват в settings.py
[14:52:44] wonderfulll: _lorien: я так и делаю
[14:52:58] _lorien: ну, значит, нельзя, если ошибки лезут )
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[14:53:40] wonderfulll: nice )
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[14:54:53] _lorien: Вообще, конечно, ImportError: No module named project_name - это очень информативно :)
[14:55:07] _lorien: покажи что ли свой settings.py
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[14:57:33] wonderfulll: http://dumpz.org/13497/
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[14:58:38] _lorien: project_name лежит в setting_dir каталоге?
[14:58:39] wonderfulll: и продакшн http://dumpz.org/13498/
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[14:59:03] _lorien: ничо не пойму :)
[14:59:32] _lorien: Зачем два файла. Показывай тот, на котором не работает.
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[15:00:01] wonderfulll: да я продакшн подключаю
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[15:00:44] _lorien: Чтобы импортировался project_name модуль или любой другой, в sys.path должен быть каталог, в котором лежит этот project_name модуль или любой другой.
[15:00:49] _lorien: У тебя выполняется это требование?
[15:01:48] wonderfulll: да
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[15:01:59] wonderfulll: ['', '/var/www/django/sites', '/var/www/django/sites/formmaker',
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[15:05:57] _lorien: тогда он должен импортироваться :)
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[15:56:16] Jin: добрый всем день
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[15:56:56] Jin: подскажите пожалуйста какой-нить модуль для обработки pdf документов надо под венду
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[15:57:22] _lorien: надо генерить?
[15:57:29] xa4a: смотря какая обработка
[15:57:35] xa4a: !g python pdf win32
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[15:58:24] _lorien: reportlab вроде б хвалят, я как-то щупал чуток )
[15:58:36] _lorien: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/reportlab/2.3 для винды есть модуль
[15:58:55] _lorien: http://eaglenest.ru/article/%D0%AF%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%20%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F
:-)
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[16:04:17] Jin: ну или просто может у каго есть уже готовое что то: надо чтоб бралось большое количество pdf файлов и совмещалось в один
[16:04:27] Jin: кто что подскажет?
[16:04:52] Jin: дело в том, что надо на фирму и покупать проприетарщину не хочется
[16:04:58] Jin: везде тут венда
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[16:05:56] xa4a: OOo умеет генерировать точно
[16:06:02] xa4a: без питона, да
[16:06:11] xa4a: надо чтоб бралось большое количество pdf файлов и совмещалось в один
[16:06:17] xa4a: тут же не нужен питон
[16:06:37] Darth Лис: Jin: pdftk умеет
[16:06:47] Darth Лис: и без ООо
[16:07:06] Jin: Ооо может из дока генерить и экселя, а надо совместить
[16:07:16] Jin: pdftk для никсов
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[16:08:07] Jin: хотя...
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[16:12:51] Jin: спасибо
[16:13:15] Jin: смотрел на pdftk и что то проглядел про то, что он и под вендой
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[17:08:59] RaD: конец дня, туплю, народ как грамотно дерево создавать
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[17:09:26] Darth Лис: берёшь саженцы...
[17:09:28] _lorien: надо посадить семечку и хорошо полить
[17:09:33] _lorien: можно поссать на худой конец
[17:09:40] Darth Лис: :D
[17:09:57] _lorien: саженцы лучше, ага
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[17:10:25] _lorien: потом ещё прививать надо будет
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[17:11:24] _lorien: RaD, кури django-mptt и django-treebeard на выбор
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[17:11:53] RaD: дане, джанго ни при чем
[17:12:22] _lorien: ну тогда саженцы :D
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[17:13:22] _lorien: {'property1': '', 'property2': '', 'children': [{'property1': '',...}]} ? :-)
[17:13:32] RaD: угу, так и сделал, час назад
[17:13:48] _lorien: оо, сеанс телепатии удался :)
[17:14:00] RaD: теперь сижу и думаю как загнать:
['top'] : УГОЛОВНЫЙ КОДЕКС РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ
['part'] : ОБЩАЯ ЧАСТЬ
['topic'] : Раздел I. УГОЛОВНЫЙ ЗАКОН
['section'] : Глава 1. ЗАДАЧИ И ПРИНЦИПЫ УГОЛОВНОГО КОДЕКСА РОССИЙСКОЙ ФЕДЕРАЦИИ
['section'] : Глава 2. ДЕЙСТВИЕ УГОЛОВНОГО ЗАКОНА ВО ВРЕМЕНИ И В ПРОСТРАНСТВЕ
['topic'] : Раздел II. ПРЕСТУПЛЕНИЕ
['section'] : Глава 3. ПОНЯТИЕ ПРЕСТУПЛЕНИЯ И ВИДЫ ПРЕСТУПЛЕНИЙ
['section'] : Глава 4. ЛИЦА, ПОДЛЕЖАЩИЕ УГОЛОВНОЙ ОТВЕТСТВЕННОСТИ
[17:14:08] RaD: а там ещё статьи :)
[17:14:14] xa4a: стек, чо
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[17:14:51] _lorien: ну э, рекурсией ещё можно :)
[17:15:17] xa4a: почему ['part'] : ОБЩАЯ ЧАСТЬ, а не 'part' : ОБЩАЯ ЧАСТЬ ?
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[17:15:29] RaD: я иду по списку и мне надо впихивать данные в определённые узлы дерева, затык в том, что я не могу придумать как оптимально искать нужные узлы
[17:15:41] RaD: xa4a: не придирайся
[17:15:48] xa4a: RaD: а нужные - какие?
[17:15:51] xa4a: последний?
[17:16:08] RaD: ну типа разделы в части, главы в разделы, статьи в главы
[17:16:15] xa4a: ну дык..
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[17:16:42] RaD: я пока это распарсил - опух
[17:16:45] xa4a: сначала создать, например, словарь глубин: ['top', 'part', 'topic', 'section']
[17:17:05] xa4a: потом last_depth = -1; res = []
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[17:17:43] RaD: как в дереве взять узлы с нужной "глубины"
[17:18:32] _lorien: RaD, ты не пробовал писать код? :)
[17:18:39] xa4a: дай кусок словаря, который можно сразу в интерпретатор засунуть
[17:18:54] RaD: сегодня даже пробовать не буду, нафиг
[17:19:13] nmk: как это не будешь?? солнце высоко еще!
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[17:19:32] RaD: никогда не смотрел на положение солнца
[17:19:50] RaD: а ПМов, которые этого хотели, посылал в пешее эротическое
[17:20:18] RaD: /me устал
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[17:20:37] _lorien: ещё бы, столько вопросов в конференцию задал :)
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[17:22:30] _lorien: /me весь день страдал хуйнёй, ничо не ел, пожрал чойса - теперь я настоящее быдло :)
[17:22:56] RaD: чего пожрал?
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[17:29:52] _lorien: ну лапша
[17:30:04] _lorien: в кипятке разводимая
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[18:27:43] wonderfulll: никто не сталкивался с такой вот шнягой в Sqlite: OperationalError: Unable to close due to unfinalised statements
[18:28:10] wonderfulll: это в связке с Джанго
[18:28:37] wonderfulll: на Ubuntu 4.04 )
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[19:38:28] pr0ks: Что происходит, когда мы делаем print u'юникод'? автоматический encode, а потом вывод? Или я чего-то не допонимаю
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[19:51:35] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/python/73028/ поплюсуйте плиз, кому не в ломы :)
[19:51:47] _lorien: bobry, проверяй в треде глобальный флаг и делай суицид в случае чего :)
[19:51:51] _lorien: суицид треда
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[19:52:22] bobry: _lorien: ну это само собой напрашивается) просто у меня там вебсервер крутится, и я в его луп проверку флага никак не могу засунуть
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[19:53:59] bobry: кстати идея с pyplanet класс, :)
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[19:54:50] _lorien: bobry, ну, ей уже года два, просто вынес на отдельный домен, собственно, feedbot оттуда и берёт мессаги :)
[19:55:08] bobry: да я не всегда за фидботом смотрю, а тут в рсс добавил и все сразу имеешь)
[19:56:00] Typhon: bobry, http://planet.python.org/ если еще не
[19:56:06] bobry: уже
[19:56:08] bobry: ;)
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[20:12:48] sevenov: Эжен | 12.08.2009, 18:41
трахаться с душой надо. без вот этих вот "о, я, я, дас ист фантастишь". с душой.

Rammsteiner | 12.08.2009, 21:27
Ти просто не розумієш цю загадкову німецьку душу!
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[22:51:27] Мозгошредер: А в каком месте ловить исключения при работе с потоками?
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[22:54:01] xa4a: смотреть статус треда какой-то?'
[22:54:12] _lorien: Мозгошредер, если пофиг на поток, то не лови, иначе в самом потоке :)
[22:54:18] xa4a: там, должно быть, должно быть написано, жив ли, и от чего умер, если умер
[22:54:39] Мозгошредер: _lorien, мне KeyboardInterrupt словить, чтобы поток прибить
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[22:55:05] Мозгошредер: а он сцуко емли не ловить нифига не делает
[22:55:12] xa4a: Мозгошредер: уже ж кидали ссілку вчера
[22:55:17] Мозгошредер: пока сделал костыль в виде флага/сигнала
[22:55:21] _lorien: Мозгошредер, ну ты выставляй глобальный флаг, а в потоках проверяй его, там с ^C какая-то левая тема
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[22:56:05] xa4a: /me ообще не знает, что за левая тема
[22:56:09] xa4a: main тред всегда ловил
[22:56:11] Мозгошредер: флаг я сделал. Вопрос, как словить интеррупт и закинуть значение 1 в флаг
[22:56:15] xa4a: во время time.sleep()
[22:57:08] xa4a: try: while True: time.sleep(1); except KeyboardInterrupt: killall = True
[22:57:18] _lorien: ну когда потоки работают с IO, то у меня вечно чо-нит виснет :)
[22:57:28] xa4a: ну у меня бот вот
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[22:57:43] xa4a: !g site:bitbucket.org xapy inurl:test.py
[22:58:16] xa4a: http://bitbucket.org/xa4a/xapy/src/tip/test.py
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[23:06:43] Мозгошредер: хм, оно где-то посредине теряется. Но ексепшн ловится.
[23:06:45] Мозгошредер: Спс
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[23:09:56] Мозгошредер: Whee!
[23:09:59] Мозгошредер: я идиот)
[23:10:02] Мозгошредер: спс всем опять
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