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[00:44:48] Imbolc: Кого-нибудь раздражает, когда настройки апы лежат не в settings.py, а в __init__.py?
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[00:45:57] _lorien: меня :)
[00:46:10] _lorien: как представлю, так прям просто трясусь :o)
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[00:47:24] Imbolc: ну в ваших краях полезно, как минус вдарит, представил и согрелся сразу :)
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[00:48:32] _lorien: да в принципе, в django хватает уже барахла в __init__.py, так что можешь не стараться ;-)
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[03:42:48] dicos: Доброе утро. Если есть время, уделите вопросу http://softwaremaniacs.org/forum/django/15523/
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[04:45:58] _lorien: Если тут есть пользователи pybb, то: http://groups.google.com/group/pybb/browse_thread/thread/6b023aad21d1a287
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[07:15:17] feedbot: Подводные грабли web, django, python — Django: AutoComplete widget. http://is.gd/4Flq8
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[07:25:33] sevenov: ОМГ http://code.google.com/p/django-autocomplete/source/browse/trunk/widgets.py#59
[07:26:50] Ляпатяпа: а такая херня не будет работать быстрее джанго шаблонов?
[07:28:24] Ляпатяпа: пролистал ниже
[07:28:29] sevenov: Какая нафиг скорость? А кеширование на что? Это во-первых. Во-вторых, сделать нормальный js-код, а не дублировать его под каждым инпутом в форме, будет куда быстрее, если уж говорить о скорости.
[07:28:30] Ляпатяпа: да, это пиздец
[07:29:07] sevenov: Ох, ёпт. Я ниже еще не листал о_О
[07:29:13] sevenov: Как это плачевно...
[07:29:52] _lorien: там парсеру раскраски мозг вышибло %)
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[07:31:32] Ляпатяпа: # self.help_text = u"To search, enter at least two characters"
self.help_text = u"Для поиска укажите хотя бы два символа"
[07:32:04] Ляпатяпа: новый движок для переводов
[07:32:20] Ляпатяпа: расставьте правильно комментарии для перевода на англицкий
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[07:45:58] _lorien: а я не понял ничо, я не спал ночью ваще
[07:46:23] _lorien: в pybb поконтрибутил, оторвал ебанутую поддержку gravatar, когда я граватарки скачивал локально :D
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[07:55:03] dicos: еще раз за этот день обращаюсь: помогите с проблемой http://softwaremaniacs.org/forum/django/15523/
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[08:05:19] Ляпатяпа: _lorien, по поводу откручивания личек и профиля - возможно это и лучше в архитектурном плане, но а) не охото мне ебаться с изменением существующего сайта, менять движок сообщений... б) по профилю - он используется как минимум как хранилка языка и часового пояса, эти вещи надо будет как-то реализовывать
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[08:05:51] Ляпатяпа: а вообще у меня есть предательская мысля о написании своего форума, с блекджеком и прочим на базе mongodb
[08:07:37] sevenov: Ляпатяпа, дык а чем плохо сманкипатчить и добавить к юзеру fk на профиль?
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[08:09:20] Ляпатяпа: ну сейчас в пайбб есть мидлварка переключающая язык джанги в зависимости от профиля
[08:09:27] Ляпатяпа: профиля нет - и ее не будет
[08:09:52] Ляпатяпа: шаблоны переписывать два раза придется
[08:10:16] Ляпатяпа: раз убирать ссылки на ЛС, потом добавлять на новый ЛС
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[08:57:50] steelval: dicos: попробуй почитать на сайте джанги, а то эта статейка которую ты читал уже старая... может там что и не правильно...и на твои комменты думаю он не ответит.
[08:58:49] sevenov: Дык статья для джанги 0.96, наверное.
[08:59:02] steelval: я тоже так думаю
[08:59:15] dicos: да на самом сайте и в интернете очень мало чего написано для переделывания фильтров в админке
[08:59:25] steelval: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/howto/custom-template-tags/
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[09:01:40] dicos: Уже читал, мне надо сделать так, чтобы фильтр работал только для одного названия поля, но не работал для поля с другим названием.
[09:02:40] dicos: Плохо, что нет ни API админки, ни чего нет :(
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[09:17:47] sevenov: >Таким образом Tornado может спать спокойно — сравнивать его с Twisted вообще некорректно.
Э? Что за упоротость? К чему это? о_О
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[09:18:50] sevenov: В статье про "network framework" ни с того, ни с сего писать о http-сервере...
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[09:36:49] mishok13: Количество же протоколов, которые реализованы на/для Twisted и *ни разу не обновлялись после первой реализации* не поддается подсчету.
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[09:37:19] Большой Лис: гы
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[09:42:39] mishok13: форум dou это просто радость какая-то
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[09:49:04] pymonk: привет , у меня вопрос начального характера , есть желающие помоч?
[09:49:41] piranha: pymonk: топик прочëл?
[09:49:50] sevenov: pymonk, ты спрашивай, а у кого нервы покрепче, тот поможет.
[09:49:59] sevenov: Кстати, а куда ред-агент пропал?
[09:50:17] piranha: его и в онлайне уже неделю нету
[09:50:18] pymonk: sevenov: я тут давненько регился если ты об этом)
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[09:50:48] sevenov: pymonk, я не понял о чем ты. Ты вопрос задавай.
[09:51:14] sevenov: piranha, либо женщина разкрасноглазила, либо хз чо )
[09:51:34] piranha: pymonk: в топике написано - Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его!
[09:51:39] piranha: sevenov: :D
[09:51:43] piranha: либо забухал жестоко )
[09:52:07] pymonk: piranha: хм смысл такой иронии?? я конешно тоже страдаю снобизмом но не в полной мере )
[09:52:12] sevenov: piranha, тоже вариант.
[09:52:24] sevenov: pymonk, так, либо задавай, либо я пошлю в хуй. Вот.
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[09:53:00] piranha: pymonk: эй, ты здоров психически? Какой иронии?
[09:53:12] sevenov: piranha, это A2K.
[09:53:32] piranha: Президент Венесуэлы Уго Чавес призвал сограждан прекратить петь в душе и не мыться в нем более трех минут. Как передает Lenta.Ru, свое пожелание глава государства связал с тем, что страна испытывает трудности с поставками воды и электричества.
«Некоторые поют в душе по полчаса. Без шуток, три минуты вполне достаточно. Я считал — три минуты и ты не воняешь», — заявил Чавес.
[09:53:35] piranha: :D
[09:53:39] pymonk: piranha:ДА! меня мама проверяла!!!!
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[09:53:54] sevenov: pymonk, иди в хуй.
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[09:54:10] pymonk: sevenov: маленький еще !
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[09:54:22] piranha: дятел
[09:54:23] sevenov: :-( кикнули.
[09:54:29] piranha: гммм
[09:54:33] piranha: адиум идиот :D
[09:54:33] sevenov: а я хотел позабавиться со зверьком.
[09:54:50] piranha: а реально это а2к?
[09:55:03] sevenov: любой странный человек - а2к же.
[09:55:30] piranha: ))))
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[09:56:04] sevenov: Ляпатяпа, смешной ник, мне нравится. Давай меняться.
[09:56:19] Ляпатяпа: не, мне самому нравится
[09:56:38] sevenov: Гад *какой-то аськосмайл*
[09:56:52] Ляпатяпа: а что в нике смешного?
[09:56:54] piranha: sevenov: идëшь в linux-talks@cjr и выбираешь смешной ник
[09:56:58] piranha: там их много
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[09:57:26] sevenov: Ляпатяпа, ну он кавайный такой.
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[09:57:41] Ляптоп: /me теперь тоже кавайный.
[09:58:03] piranha: гм, адиум не поменял тебе ник. У него всë-таки очень странная поддержка джабберных конференций )
[09:58:14] Ляптоп: piranha, адиум - говно =P
[09:58:24] piranha: не, в остальном он лучше большинств
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[09:59:03] Ляптоп: piranha, конфа анальноогороженная.
[09:59:23] Ляпатяпа: затроллили нах
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[09:59:45] piranha: Ляптоп: угу
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[10:00:04] Ляптоп: GNU, OpenSource ёпт.
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[10:04:21] Апятапял: piranha, ты такой внезапный.
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[10:21:03] Большой Лис: дрова в смысле
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[10:35:38] Апятапял: о, в тему только что написал в жуйк
[10:35:40] Апятапял: http://juick.com/341632
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[11:17:28] _lorien: что ж они на пайжопу то не запостили, айяяй
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[11:18:36] _lorien: да я как-то стесняюсь, уж так нагло людей парить :)
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[11:20:14] Большой Лис: на адрес brunette @ e-generator.ru (Юлия)
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[11:20:24] Большой Лис: мм, ах ты проказник _lorien %)
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[11:20:47] _lorien: да какой-нить одмин бородатый там, а не Юлия :D
[11:21:30] _lorien: у меня шото ностальгия по москве, наверное, мало там был :D
[11:21:38] _lorien: как раз вот в районе чистых прудов шарился
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[12:54:59] _lorien: !g site:habrahabr.ru лицензируемая деятельность россия
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[13:09:25] RaD: !g site:habrahabr.ru 10 лет
[13:09:57] RaD: !g site:habrahabr.ru Почему в России нет наукоемких производств
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[13:10:16] RaD: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/it-politics/73578/ - вот правильная ссылка
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[13:15:56] _lorien: ыыы
[13:17:08] _lorien: круто, две вакансии наклянчил за два дня для пужопы, надо б ещё поклянчить где-нить
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[13:19:47] RaD: че-нить от $3k есть? :)
[13:20:21] _lorien: мм, ну в последней 2k написано, а во вчерашней тоже вроде про 2k написано
[13:20:25] _lorien: выходит, что нет
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[13:21:09] RaD: о, $2k тоже нормально в принципе
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[13:21:47] _lorien: ну если это москва, то 20-30 тыщ тока на квартиру пойдёт
[13:21:54] RaD: убил два вечера на исследования возможности забиндить сокет на стороне JS с помощью флеша... не осилил
[13:22:09] RaD: ну, у меня уже есть хата
[13:22:34] _lorien: ну тогда пиши Юле, шо готов работать :D
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[13:22:53] Typhon is now online
[13:22:55] RaD: ну, юля фотку не приложила, не вижу преимуществ :
[13:23:08] RaD: я ща на кристину работаю :)
[13:23:12] bobry: :))
[13:23:14] _lorien: :)
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[13:24:00] RaD: народ, кто в курсе, можно в браузере через флеш делать серверный сокет (типа который ожидает данные)
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[13:24:21] _lorien: RaD, ну вот как-то ж quake live работает
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[13:24:44] _lorien: хотя он наверное имеет доступ к API мозиллы т.к. ставится как xpi
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[13:26:28] RaD: я готов поставить что угодно уже :)
[13:26:40] Typhon: RaD: можно ж. создаешь, коннектишься, ждешь, общаешься.
[13:27:00] RaD: не, создаю и жду
[13:27:10] RaD: а в него плюют данные, когда они появляются
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[13:28:07] bobry: "Скрипты на питоне имеют свойства тупо зависать, выдавая много отладочной инфы, я бы все это завернул в один блок try." учитесь все :)
[13:28:14] Typhon: создаешь, коннектишься. данные появились --тебе кинули.
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[13:29:11] RaD: ты имеешь в виду обычный ajax с длинной сессией и реконнектом по таймауту?
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[13:29:24] Typhon: нет.
[13:29:40] Typhon: я имею ввиду сокет (во флеше созданный)
[13:29:43] Typhon: который открывает коннект и держит его.
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[13:30:52] RaD: сам пробовал?
[13:31:16] Typhon: RaD: да. я ж говорил, у нас такая штука работает.
[13:31:37] RaD: и как долго может ждать?
[13:31:38] Typhon: веб-интерфейс аудиоконференции.
[13:32:39] RaD: чем пользуетесь, jSocket? самописное?
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[13:32:46] Typhon: RaD: пока не закроешь
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[13:32:57] Typhon: на одной из сторон.
[13:33:08] Typhon: RaD: самописное.
[13:33:22] RaD: где скачать? :)
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[13:33:58] Typhon: нигде, там ж ничего особенного, лучше jSocket тот же взять, думаю
[13:35:03] RaD: а на серверной стороне просто забиндили сокет и ожидали данные?
[13:35:44] Typhon: там на базе SocketServer
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[13:36:17] Typhon: с шифрованием и шлюхами.
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[13:38:20] slav0nic: блин ну и гавно pymag сайт. хрен найдёшь содержание старых выпусков
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[14:16:56] Typhon: note for moskali: йота -- говно )
[14:17:36] wiz: с чего бы?
[14:17:40] RaD: у них не меньше трёх провов, так что если лагает один, они даже не замечают
[14:18:24] Typhon: wiz: на работе йота -- днем интернетов нету вообще :(
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[14:18:26] _lorien: йода говно?
[14:18:37] RaD: нет инета - нет работы
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[14:18:59] огыешсук: нет работы - есть свобода
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[14:19:01] wiz: ну на работе да.
[14:19:08] RaD: а у меня проект, заказчик гордо говорит, что их филиалы связаны йотой, что у них ! ЫНТЫРНЕТ ! есть всегда
[14:19:09] klichuk: у когото нет работы - нет инета.
[14:19:11] wiz: а для мобилки какой-нибудь нормально говорят
[14:19:23] RaD: грамотно я срулил на то, что онлайна не будет :)
[14:19:26] Typhon: подключили, через неделю пользованию взвыли все, теперь тянут кабели к нам
[14:20:08] RaD: я сайтик показывал? тут на джанге сделал...
[14:20:46] RaD: http://moiluch.ru/
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[14:22:00] wiz: теги + категории = fail
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[14:23:23] _lorien: RaD, есть оплата вебманями?
[14:23:37] _lorien: а каризну ты делал сам или взял какую-то?
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[14:23:45] _lorien: * корзину
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[14:24:51] RaD: всё самописное, кроме tagging и robots
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[14:25:17] _lorien: а, вижу, вебманей нет
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[14:25:35] RaD: ага, жаббер бот отчитался о заказе
[14:25:44] _lorien: а то я ща тоже магазинчик мучаю, только там кроме простого заказа с оплатой при доставке есть ещё и вебмани
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[14:25:59] RaD: сделал сам (я про вебмани)?
[14:26:10] RaD: я просто не сталкивался с реализацией, поэтому представляю это смутно
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[14:26:49] _lorien: нет, взял вот это http://github.com/oxyum/django-payment-webmoney, но мне не очень понравилось, думаю написать какой-нить велосипедик с нуля :)
[14:26:52] RaD: народ на дизайн магаза жалуется, но блин я лучше не умею (не дизайнер)
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[14:27:38] _lorien: на маленьком экране понты, например при добавлении товара пришлось нажать f11, чтобы увидить всплывшее окно всё. А ещё когдазашёл в первый экран оформления корзины, то кнопка "оформить" была внизу за областью видимости
[14:27:43] _lorien: это у меня 600 по вертикали :)
[14:28:29] RaD: у меня меньше 1024 нету, и то я всегда использую Ctrl-minus
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[14:29:05] Ляпатяпа: а у меня повышенный размер шрифта в фф, не влезают товары в две колонки маленько
[14:29:21] sevenov: RaD, теги должны быть категориями, причем деревом. Тем более, если ты сам заполняешь. Теги в том виде, в котором их везде используют - говно, они все должны быть связаны.
[14:29:35] Ляпатяпа: надо статью сделать "а нахрена нужны энергосберегающие лампы и чем они различаются"
[14:29:46] wiz: sevenov, "теги должны быть категориями" бгг
[14:29:58] sevenov: wiz, ну как бы так, да.
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[14:30:14] RaD: sevenov, напиши грамотный пост по этой теме, я с интересом прочитаю
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[14:31:07] wiz: RaD, теги не нужны
[14:31:14] sevenov: Т.е. "Страны", "Россия", "Москва". Три тега, которые без связей м/у собой - обычная колбаса, хотя при просмотре Страны + Россия, должна быть москва.
[14:31:15] wiz: вот полнотекстовый поиск - да
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[14:31:39] sevenov: RaD, кстати, поиск кагбэ говорит: Сделай мне автокомплит.
[14:31:51] RaD: мне впадлу :)
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[14:33:15] wiz: RaD, http://spectator.ru/technology/web-building/tags2null
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[14:33:39] RaD: но я подумаю об этом :)
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[14:34:01] sevenov: wiz, ага, именно про эту статью.
[14:34:12] sevenov: тебе в лом, а я сделал =P
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[14:38:03] RaD: о, надо зачитать на досуге
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[14:54:56] sevenov: RaD, пыщь, а чочо у тебя снизу ссылка на djbook
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[14:55:43] огыешсук: sevenov: теги это фолксономия, категории это таксономия. Две большие разницы ж!
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[14:56:18] sevenov: огыешсук, дык категории не нужны, да и теги в таком виде.
[14:57:33] RaD: sevenov: это запрещено? :)
[14:58:19] sevenov: RaD, что именно? :-)
[14:58:27] RaD: ссылка на djbook
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[15:00:40] _lorien: sevenov, кажется, он и сделал djbook
[15:00:42] sevenov: дык потому что кагбэ ссылка не на джангу а на какой-то там странный и непонятный джангобук.
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[15:01:44] _lorien: ну он его сделал, вот и показывает ссылку :)
[15:02:06] _lorien: ты поди ка на itquest тоже ссылку пихал куда не попадя :)
[15:03:14] RaD: _lorien: +1 за сообразительность
[15:03:31] RaD: мы ж с тобой перетирали взаимные ссылки, но дело дальше базара не пошло
[15:03:32] _lorien: +1 на хлеб не намажешь
[15:03:38] _lorien: хм
[15:03:45] _lorien: а ссылки откуда куда? :)
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[15:03:53] _lorien: помню шото было да :)
[15:03:57] RaD: djbook <-> pyjob
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[15:04:38] _lorien: а ну да, надо, надо, а ты кажется говорил, что надо кнопку pyjob рисовать?
[15:04:44] _lorien: кто-то чё-то говорил тогда :)
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[15:05:27] _lorien: RaD, у тебя есть идеи, где на pyjob можно ссылку разместить на тебя и в каком виде?
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[15:05:53] RaD: неа, у меня работы до жопы, даже думать некогда, я сюда не думаю пишу :)
[15:06:49] _lorien: ну, ты не один такой :)
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[15:09:33] sevenov: _lorien, на itquest? Только в топики конф :)
[15:09:52] _lorien: шо, даже на жаброжабр не спамился?
[15:10:03] sevenov: только одним постом же.
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[15:31:04] RaD: прочитал про теги, интересно, можно попробовать реализовать
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[15:31:22] RaD: _lorien: может отбросим понты и просто текстом сошлёмся :)
[15:33:07] _lorien: да конечно, мне текст и нужен, шобы там ключевик был
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[15:33:36] _lorien: ну я и грю, тебе есть разница куда я ссылку помещу, мне проще снизу прилепить. Или надо сверху место искать :)
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[15:34:41] RaD: мне пофиг
[15:35:04] RaD: че тебе там написать?
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[15:42:26] _lorien: Python работа
[15:42:39] _lorien: А тебе?
[15:43:25] RaD: DjangoBook по-русски
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[15:47:09] _lorien: http://pyjob.ru/ - всё, сделал кошерную ссылку в текстовом обрамлении :)
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[15:49:41] RaD: а я по лоховски внизу справа :)
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[15:50:18] RaD: мож побольше текста и под баннер с магазином?
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[15:52:22] _lorien: Ну я не против буду :))
[15:52:32] RaD: текст давай :
[15:52:35] _lorien: кстати банер с магазином чё-то не показывается
[15:53:31] RaD: да вроде работает
[15:53:53] _lorien: а, ты про лучи
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[15:54:59] _lorien: Актуальные вакансии, <a href="http://pyjob.ru">python работа</a> для python-разработчиков.
сойдёт?
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[15:57:54] _lorien: круто :)
[15:58:26] _lorien: кто-нить деньги переводил через формочку такую? :)
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[16:31:58] Большой Лис: http://blog.stanis.ru/img/25334.jpg
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[16:36:33] _lorien: http://majordomo.ru/hosting/vps.php - вдс на халяву до нового года
[16:36:38] _lorien: а, нет, в течение 30 дней
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[17:06:13] RaD: sevenov, приложение для тэгов распространяешь?
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[17:11:20] _lorien: вроде в djapp.org оно вшито
[17:12:14] _lorien: bitbucket.org/sevenov/djapp
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[19:13:29] Lolka: обновил вчерай стейбл дебиан aptitude safe-upgrade'ом
[19:13:36] Lolka: начала валиться TypeError: execv() arg 2 must contain only strings в subprocess
[19:13:39] Lolka: к чему бы это :(
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[19:28:56] Lolka: фу ты блин, не было печали :( и что там в этом subprocess'e поломалось 6(
[19:29:01] Lolka: и ведь стейбл!
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[19:29:38] Lolka: и, самое печальное, не мной вызываемом, а из pyrrd где то
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[19:44:19] Александр (eee): Lolka, а смотрел под какой версией питона запускается скрипт?
[19:44:34] Александр (eee): дебиан на 2.5 всё ещё?
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[19:48:50] Lolka: да
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[19:49:15] Lolka: дело в том, что до вчера все было прекрасно
[19:49:24] Lolka: обновлял систему исключительно из за nginx'a
[19:49:29] Lolka: и вот на тебе :(
[19:49:45] Lolka: версия pyrrd самая последняя
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[19:52:25] Александр (eee): гитоводы, помогите советом
у git есть какой-нибудь кэш файлов?
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[19:54:39] Александр (eee): в общем был файл, я его переименовал и написал в нём кучу кода
git status показывал
# (use "git add/rm <file>..." to update what will be committed)
# deleted: media/js/main.css #старое имя файла
ну я его и удалил git rm
а после коммита и пуша обнаружил что файл с новым именем отсутствует
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[19:55:21] Александр (eee): ну и хрен знает как его восстановить
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интересненько
[19:58:29] Большой Лис: main*
[19:58:46] Большой Лис: Александр (eee), а ты git mv делал, для переименования?
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[19:59:36] Александр (eee): Большой Лис, да в том то и фишка что не знаю как css засунул в папку для js, поэтому и переименовл
[19:59:52] Александр (eee): Большой Лис, нет, погорячился и переименовал редактором
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[20:04:01] Александр (eee): причём не так было бы обидно, если бы потерял часть файла, а так увлёкся и весь потерял
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[20:06:52] Большой Лис: се ля ви
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[20:07:09] Большой Лис: ле блядуа
[20:07:11] Большой Лис: %)
[20:07:38] Александр (eee): ну ладно
[20:07:51] Александр (eee): пытался из кэша браузера восстановить, тоже хер
[20:07:57] Lolka: фааааакк, что же мне делать с этим subprocess?))
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[20:08:14] Александр (eee): восстанавливать с диска не стал, проще написать заново :-)
[20:08:24] Lolka: как так вообще выходит, что git теряет файлы? хех :)
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[20:09:33] Александр (eee): Lolka, не гит, а я где-то накриворучил
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[20:10:19] Александр (eee): бля
[20:11:00] Александр (eee): воспользовался автодополнением git rm -rf media/js/main.js
вместо main.css
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[20:11:10] Александр (eee): без комментариев
[20:11:13] Lolka: :)
[20:11:22] Lolka: выключай компьютер, иди пить чай :)
[20:12:16] Александр (eee): да это я утром торопился закомитить на сервер, чтобы потом днём на другом компе стащить
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[20:13:14] Lolka: это команда git'a на rm начинается?
[20:13:20] Lolka: в меркулиале надо писать hg remove
[20:13:30] Lolka: не надополняется до -rf :)
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[20:14:22] Александр (eee): Lolka, идиотская привычка, но я на автомате -rf ставлю
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[20:14:38] Lolka: не ты один :) я тоже привык :(
[20:14:44] Lolka: а еще привык по ключам по ssh ходить
[20:14:58] Lolka: так вот -- на днях в ноуте полетел контроллер питания...
[20:15:05] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (alias -g rm 'rm -rf' ;o)
[20:15:11] Lolka: короче, столько всяких паролей я в тот день еще не вспоминал :)
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[20:16:31] Большой Лис: а я 2 ключа сразу прописываю
[20:16:56] Большой Лис: рабочий и домашний
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[20:22:28] огыешсук: А чего б не побанить Tengiz* ? Он видно сильно полюбил этот cool@
[20:23:10] Lolka: какой извращенный способ отписаться -- в квит месседж
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[22:09:40] RaD: два года он был открытым и никто не лез, но я решил, что хватит :)
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[22:15:09] Большой Лис: RaD, а ка кты знал что никто не лез?
[22:15:21] RaD: следил за трафегом
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[22:17:05] piranha: _lorien: а нельзя ли фидбота заставить разворачивать тиниурлы в нормальные?
[22:17:40] Typhon: piranha, лорьен недавно наоборот прикручивал, емнип )
[22:17:46] piranha: омг
[22:17:57] piranha: _lorien: знаешь ли, что для таких людей в аду отдельный чан? ;)
[22:18:13] Typhon: piranha, здоровые урлы с реддита тоже бесят )
[22:18:16] cutwater: piranha, привет. вопрос а ты на сваргу забил таки?
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[22:18:30] piranha: cutwater: нет, но последнее время совсем со временем невесело
[22:18:45] piranha: Typhon: но лучше всë-таки знать, куда жмëшь ;)
[22:18:54] Typhon: паранойя моде он? )
[22:19:03] cutwater: просто я последний раз когда смотрел историю коммитов.... искренне надеюсь на развитие проекта
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[22:19:58] piranha: cutwater: я без времени и катаюсь по украине туда-сюда, а Серëга вот в Чехию ездил
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[22:20:12] piranha: но думаю, что через недельку-полторы я опять возьмусь за одну штуку, и всë начнëт двигаться ;)
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[22:28:22] Typhon: piranha, btw, а как в emacs'е настроить уничтожение trailing whitespace'ов, можешь сказать, если быстро, чтобы не искать ^_^
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[22:29:14] piranha: хмм
[22:29:20] piranha: надо хук просто на сохранение файла повесить
[22:29:23] piranha: сек
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[22:29:38] piranha: Typhon: у меня только показываются они, а то не люблю много изменений в чужих проектах генерировать
[22:29:53] piranha: просто когда мне присылают патч, а там в каждой строке пробелы в конце - меня бесит %)
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[22:30:23] piranha: before-save-hook
[22:30:24] Typhon: а у меня есть легаси код, говном каким-то писанный, там это норма
[22:30:49] Typhon: кстати, а зачем так делают?
[22:30:57] Typhon: спасибо)
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[22:31:10] piranha: (add-hook 'before-save-hook 'delete-trailing-whitespaces)
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[22:31:19] Typhon: о, даже так )
[22:31:23] piranha: Typhon: редакторы уродские, а люди криворукие
[22:31:24] Typhon: здорово, спасибо :)
[22:31:28] piranha: нп :)
[22:31:45] Typhon: piranha, да, про это догдывался, но думал, может иная причина есть какая
[22:32:44] piranha: у меня даже есть такое:

piranha@gto ~> grep whitespace .hgrc
#pretxncommit.whitespace = hg export tip | (! egrep -q '^\+.*[ \t]$')

но блин, с чужими проектами - лажа :(
[22:32:59] piranha: я иногда в своих в их хгрц эту штуку дописываю, чтоб случайно говно не попало ;)))
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[22:33:51] Typhon: :-)
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[22:36:43] RaD: delete-trailing-whitespaces - а это где брать
[22:37:22] RaD: а, оно стандартное
[22:37:24] piranha: delete-trailing-whitespace is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el'.

[22:37:27] piranha: ;-)
[22:37:41] RaD: засунул в .emacs
[22:38:06] piranha: с таким хуком надо аккуратнее - он может сгенерировать много изменений на хреновом коде
[22:38:22] piranha: я вот такое юзаю:

(require 'whitespace)
(setq whitespace-style '(lines-tail trailing))
(set-face-attribute 'whitespace-line nil
:foreground 'unspecified
:background "yellow")

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[22:38:49] piranha: это показывает трейлинги и когда линии превышают 80 символов
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[22:40:04] RaD: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Invalid face" whitespace-line)
[22:41:15] piranha: нажми на C-x e, когда стоишь после (require 'whitespace)
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[22:41:28] piranha: чтоб оно подгрузило фейсы все эти
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[22:42:08] RaD: я так и сделал
[22:42:22] RaD: пишет whitespace - значит сработало
[22:42:30] RaD: но на последней строчке валится
[22:42:57] piranha: хм
[22:43:04] piranha: странь, честно говоря
[22:43:17] RaD: ну да ладно
[22:43:22] piranha: блин, хрен его знает - у меня работает
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[22:43:26] RaD: как создать джоб в мускуле
[22:43:32] piranha: это я просто настроил, чтоб красным цветом глаза не выжигало %)
[22:43:34] RaD: емакс иногда странноват
[22:43:48] RaD: что-то работает как часы, что-то задолбаешься настраивать
[22:44:00] piranha: или чëрным, забываю
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[22:44:37] piranha: угу
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[22:46:37] RaD: http://dpaste.com/113379/
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[22:49:56] piranha: it's so dumb шо веб-браузеры не умеют посылать DELETE
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[22:51:40] RaD: да ладно, вот у меня sql не пашет
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[22:53:18] piranha:     Здравствуйте!

    Подскажите пожалуйста наличие и цену программного обеспечения, которое покупается, когда компьютеры уже куплены. К сожалению не могу подсказать правильное название такого софта. Интересует 10 шт.
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[22:56:07] RaD: piranha: у тебя случаем не xemacs?
[22:56:19] piranha: nowei
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[22:56:35] piranha: "GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i386-apple-darwin10.0.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.11)
of 2009-10-21 on gto.local"

[22:56:47] piranha: но работало и раньше
[22:56:48] RaD: что-то по сохранению, говорит что не может найти delete-trailing-whitespace
[22:56:56] bobry: ого
[22:56:57] bobry: странно
[22:57:00] RaD: а через M-x отлично вызывается
[22:57:02] piranha: RaD: C-h f delete-trailing-whitespaces ?
[22:57:10] piranha: *whitespace
[22:57:13] piranha: гхм
[22:57:18] RaD: delete-trailing-whitespace is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `simple.el'.
[22:57:19] piranha: мож я чота загнался
[22:57:32] piranha: сек
[22:58:12] piranha: holy shoot, у меня не ругается, но ничего не происходит что-то...
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[22:58:46] RaD: вот так всегда
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[22:59:38] piranha: RaD: one moment
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[23:01:16] piranha: (defadvice save-buffer (before qweqwe activate)
(delete-trailing-whitespace))
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[23:01:23] piranha: RaD: вот так работает
[23:01:26] piranha: Typhon: ^
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[23:01:43] RaD: qweqwe???
[23:02:07] Typhon: piranha, о, хорошо, а то б я завтра запустил, и ругался на свои кривые руки)
[23:02:22] piranha: RaD: это просто имя
[23:02:38] piranha: RaD: я не придумал ничего лучше, можешь написать там piranha в память обо мне, или там wwii в память о второй мировой
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[23:02:45] piranha: всë что угодно на твой выбор ;)
[23:02:46] RaD: run-hooks: Symbol's function definition is void: delete-trailing-whitespaces
[23:02:54] piranha: whitespace
[23:03:09] piranha: я написал delete-tra и нажал M-tab
[23:03:13] piranha: и всë дополнилось ;)
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[23:03:33] piranha: NAME ::= Non-nil symbol that names this piece of advice.

[23:03:39] piranha: упс, убежал
[23:03:50] bobry: piranha: а ты на С++ не пишешь случаем?
[23:03:59] Typhon: ы )
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[23:04:04] piranha: /me turning pythonua@ into emacs@ filial
[23:04:10] bobry: :)))
[23:04:17] piranha: bobry: провокация ;)
[23:04:17] RaD: в общем херь какая-то
[23:04:19] bobry: в emacs@ все молчат)
[23:04:23] bobry: так не интересно
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[23:04:34] Typhon: piranha, ну туда долго заходить, лучше у тебя или еще у кого спросить ^_^
[23:04:43] piranha: нет, не пишу
[23:04:47] piranha: bobry: гы, а я перестал висеть, потому что писали много ;)
[23:04:58] piranha: и там еще могут долго морочить мозги, особенно если не постоянный посетитель
[23:05:03] bobry: хах, все поменялось
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[23:05:06] bobry: в смысле морочить?
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[23:05:19] piranha: в смысле спрашиваешь что-то, а тебе говорят - почитай в доке!
[23:05:31] piranha: а вот если постоянно там висишь и тебя все знают, то обычно отвечают :D
[23:05:35] piranha: в общем, как и везде ;)
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[23:09:35] RaD: проблема была в s в конце имени функции
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[23:10:26] piranha: ну да, я ж написал...
[23:10:36] klichuk: /me влюбился в Django.
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[23:11:00] Typhon: klichuk, как-то ты поздно
[23:11:05] klichuk: ага
[23:11:07] RaD: /me в анабиоз
[23:11:15] Typhon: piranha, можно вход запретить для тенгиза этого?
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[23:11:22] Typhon: по джиду или маске ника? ^_^
[23:11:25] piranha: а что, часто заходит?
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[23:11:39] bobry: а кто это?
[23:11:49] piranha: а то мне впадло запускать мцаббер, а в адиуме нифига нету для этого
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[23:11:51] Typhon: piranha, даю
[23:12:01] piranha: что даëшь? %)
[23:12:03] Typhon: и, кстати, не только сюда
[23:12:05] Typhon: *да.
[23:12:08] Typhon: :)
[23:12:12] piranha: гм
[23:12:14] piranha: ок
[23:12:15] klichuk: он всюда
[23:12:25] klichuk: его полно кругом, я капчу поставил на комнату
[23:12:33] piranha: ;)
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[23:15:12] _piranha: done
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[23:15:58] Typhon: круто)
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[23:16:52] bobry: кстати комрады, почему signal.signal ругается на signal.SIGKILL, низя чтоли на него обработчик повесить?
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[23:19:04] klichuk: я вроде когдато вешал, как ругается?
[23:19:25] bobry: RuntimeError
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[23:19:49] bobry: вру, секунду
[23:20:03] bobry: RuntimeError: (22, 'Invalid argument')
[23:20:26] bobry: вот на это signal.signal(signal.SIGKILL, respawn)
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[23:22:01] klichuk: ех
[23:22:04] klichuk: You cannot. The KILL signal is uncatchable and unignorable in a POSIX
environment. Any well behaved system should first send another signal, such
as SIGHUP, before deciding that SIGKILL is required.
[23:22:18] bobry: klichuk: а можно линк?
[23:22:26] klichuk: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general/290877
[23:22:48] bobry: странно что я это не нагуглил, спасибо :)
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