[00:00:16] bobry: все, вопрос снят)
[00:00:18] _lorien: ну наверное надо доку прочитать про context процессоры )
[00:00:20] bobry: гугл спас меня
[00:00:27] bobry: спасибо :)
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[00:01:50] bobry: может быть это влияние питона, но после пары дней втыкания в рельсы, работать с django крайне приятно
[00:01:58] bobry: разница ощутима, так сказать
[00:02:06] _lorien: xa4a, вот бы боту ещё команду django! добавить :) которая бы искала в
goproject.com/en/dev/search/?cx=009763561546736975936%3Ae88ek0eurf4&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&hl=&q={{ QUERY }}&sa=Search&as_q=more%3
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[00:02:16] _lorien: упс, обрезалось
[00:02:19] sevenov: bobry, после рельс джанга приятна? о___О
[00:02:50] _lorien: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/search/?cx=009763561546736975936%3Ae88ek0eurf4&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&hl=&q={{ QUERY }}&sa=Search&as_q=more%3A1.0_docs#1107
[00:03:05] bobry: sevenov, ухух, первое что сразу же отталикавает - отсутствие нормальной документации.. т.е. она конечно есть, но постоянно выяснялось что там чего то не хватает
[00:03:11] xa4a: может гуглосёрч с site:djangoproject.com просто?
[00:03:14] _lorien: а, туплю, это ж не поиск будет, а генерация ссылки
[00:03:36] _lorien: может быть, хотя может у них как-то там хитрее поиск настроен в их кастомном поиске
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[01:21:39] _lorien: прикрутил на dumpz незаметную плюшку, теперь зареганному пользователю выводится в списке видимых лексеров при создании нового дамп топ использованным пользователем лексеров
[01:21:57] _lorien: * использованных
[01:22:11] bobry: _lorien, там у тебя как то не очень удобно эти лексеры выбирать) очень уж их много и названия не айс
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[01:22:23] bobry: кстати не планируется какой нить api?
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[01:23:03] _lorien: bobry, да есть апи :)
[01:23:15] _lorien: на добавление дампов
[01:24:06] _lorien: http://dumpz.org/api/upload/
вот его описание http://dumpz.org/api/upload/help/
[01:24:25] bobry: о, класс :) ничего если я его к боту прикручу?
[01:24:44] _lorien: прикручивай, прикручивай :)
[01:24:51] bobry: а через что делал? django_rest_interface?
[01:24:59] bobry: хотя зачем он тут :)
[01:25:01] _lorien: заодно потестируешь, а то я так и не понял, юзал ли кто-то его реально
[01:25:19] _lorien: да нет, тупо вьюшка :) Вообще код можно повтыкать на bitbucket.org/lorien/dumpz
[01:25:40] bobry: ty :) будет полезно почитать
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[09:31:30] dicos: Доброе утро. Как из списка сделать строку?
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[09:34:20] Ляпатяпа: str(spisok)
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[09:37:36] Ляпатяпа: dicos, помог тебе к.о,
[09:38:50] dicos: Ляпатяпа: я искал что-то типа mylist.implode('мой разделитель')
[09:39:00] dicos: Ляпатяпа: спасибо
[09:39:02] Ляпатяпа: так бы и сказал
[09:39:15] Ляпатяпа: " разделитель ".join(spisok)
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[09:41:43] dicos: а разве так можно ",".join(msg) ?
[09:43:28] Ляпатяпа: можно
[09:43:38] Ляпатяпа: только msg должен быть списком или итератором
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[10:45:20] bahus: господа есть такой вопрос: допустим есть некий питоновский скрипт, он выполняется, где-то в середине его нужно остановить и сохранить состояние энвайромента (т.е. все классы, методы и т.п.) и остановить интерпретатор.

через какое-то время нужно запустить интерпретатор и продолжить работу с того самого места на котором он остановился с теми же самыми классами. Есть ли красивый способ сделать это? Я пока пробую с помощью pickle, но у него проблема с серилизацией тредов и непонятно как запустить выполнение скрипта с конкретной строчки без разбивания файла скприпта на 2.
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[10:46:36] sevenov: парни, вопрос. А как из ассоциативного массива сделать строку?
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[10:47:25] _lorien: стебаешься, шо ли?
[10:47:37] sevenov: _lorien, неееет, ты што.
[10:47:55] sevenov: bahus, определенно проблема в архитектуре. Магией занимаются на magic@cjr.
[10:48:48] bahus: sevenov: нужно обработать ребут системы во время выполнения скрипта (
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[10:52:54] sevenov: bahus, если система ребутится, значит не так важно выполнение. А если нахуй внезапно вырубается, то уже ничего не поможет. Просто выполняй задачу после старта системы снова.
[10:53:04] sevenov: какую-то глупость ты хочешь.
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[10:58:10] bahus: sevenov: есть задача описанная в одном скрипте - часть задачи нужно выполнить до ребута, часть после. Сейчас две части помещены в 2 файла, один выполняется до ребута, второй после (через автозапуск). У меня спросили можно ли объединить 2 файла в один и сделать то же самое.
[10:59:15] Ляпатяпа: как сейчас - правильно
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[10:59:52] Ляпатяпа: ну можно конечно с параметрами сделать в одном файле, но это ничего не меняет
[11:00:29] sevenov: bahus, ну можно объединить и в один файл. Получает задачу, выполняет, говорит что сделал все как надо, инфа складывается куда-то там (файл, бд, етц). После ребута запускается о же, смотрит - есть чо сделанного первой частью или нет. Если есть чо, в отдельном треде продолжает. Параллельно может выполнять и новую задачу.
[11:00:34] sevenov: В чем сложность-то?
[11:03:27] bahus: сложность в том, что хотелось бы чтобы можно было использовать тот скоуп переменных что был до ребута в том скрипте, который выполняется после ребута
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[12:34:18] Мозгошредер: bahus, єто вроде continuations называется, если не ошибаюсь.
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[12:34:34] Мозгошредер: И его в питоне AFAIK нет
[12:34:41] xa4a: ^Z
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[13:48:20] bahus: xa4a: интересная штука, ещё бы под винду подобное найти)
[13:48:53] sevenov: bahus, теперь еще и под винду?
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[13:49:08] red-agent: Под винду ты такого не найдешь.
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[13:51:25] bahus: sevenov: под винду в первую очередь, но в идеале кросплатфоменный солюшен нужен
[13:51:43] Typhon: bahus: сам все что нужно сериализуй и в файлик
[13:51:47] Typhon: а при старте -- обратно
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[13:53:34] tilarids: bahus: ты там случай не какой-то инсталлятор клепаешь?
[13:53:44] bahus: Typhon: да, ща вот этим и занимаюсь, только вот не все сериализуется. Например если юзать стандартный модуль logging, то там в лог хендлерах используется thread.lock которое без бубнов не сериализуешь
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[13:54:36] bahus: tilarids: ну.. инсталлятор это частный случай этого, т.е. и для этого использовалось\используется
[13:54:38] Typhon: bahus: а зачем тебе это сериализовать? без него не заработает ;) ?
[13:55:04] tilarids: bahus: выдели состояние, его и сохраняй
[13:55:25] bahus: Typhon: заработает) вот ща разбираюсь что можно сохранить, а что придется заново создавать)
[13:55:31] tilarids: bahus: а для создания инсталляторов есть существующие тулзовины, их юзать нужно
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[13:56:09] bahus: tilarids: инсталлятор внешний, нужно просто отмониторить его работу, т.е. убедиться что он ребутит систему и после ребута она бутабельна
[13:56:49] bahus: tilarids: бутабельна, и еще продукт установился и все файлы на месте
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[14:00:30] tilarids: bahus: чую я, что костыль городишь ты
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[14:03:14] bahus: tilarids: я занимаюсь автоматическим тестированием. есть тесткейс - выполнить операцию, перезагрузить систему, проверить результаты. Кейсы мы с недавнего времени решили писать на питоне, по идее весь кейс должен представлять 1 питоновский файл, но для такого кейса всегда делается 2, ну потому что просто не нашли как правильно обработать ребут в таком случае.
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[14:05:29] xa4a: ребутать виртаулку
[14:05:40] xa4a: а тесты снаружи проводить
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[14:06:50] bahus: xa4a: вот именно эти кейсы проводятся только на физике )) а на вирутуалке такая схема уже давно работает
[14:07:25] Ляпатяпа: запускать exe.py after_reboot из автозапуска.
он проверяет if 'after_reboot' in sys.argv: return 'система после ребута'
и не ебать мозги
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[14:08:49] bahus: Ляпатяпа: ага, ну почти так ща и сделано)
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[14:13:15] red-agent: Долбоебы.
[14:13:32] red-agent: Вы бы еще по 10 скриптов на кажое состояние создали.
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[14:13:51] red-agent: Записать состояние в файл не судьба?
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[14:14:12] red-agent: А потом скриптом читать его -- и делать что положено и снова ресетить в исходное положение или удалять файл -- дело вкуса.
[14:14:22] bahus: а ты умница)
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[14:15:04] red-agent: Хоть pickleом, хоть dbm, хоть yaml, хоть plain text.
[14:15:19] bahus: такое уже сделано - при ребуте сохраняется информация о текущем сценарии кейсе и методе, который нужно выполнить из этого кейса после ребута, .ехе заносится в автозапуск со спец параметром
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[14:15:45] red-agent: Ну и все. Хуле мозгоебствовать дальше-то?
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[14:21:52] bahus: потому что хотят привезти все кейсы к одному стандарту, а кейсы где обрабатывается ребут выбиваются из текущего стандарта, в них немного логика меняется и с репортингом результатов небольшие косяки
[14:22:26] red-agent: Потому, что тестить что-либо, что включает ребут в цикле тесте -- это наркоманство.
[14:22:36] red-agent: *а
[14:22:58] bahus: я смотрю ты много знаешь о тестировании =)
[14:23:33] red-agent: Юнит, интегральное, функциональное и еще пачка.
[14:23:41] red-agent: Я ненавижу тестирование...
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[14:23:56] demalexx: :)
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[14:25:07] red-agent: bahus, По крайней мере в том виде, в котором оно есть...
[14:25:33] red-agent: Где-то у меня лежал пейпер интересный...
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[14:26:07] red-agent: Про ASR с использованием генетического программирования.
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[14:27:38] bahus: red-agent: нельзя исключить из тестирования ребут, когда продукт устанавливает в систему 5 драйверов
[14:28:01] red-agent: Ну, в нормальных системах -- перезагрузка не требуется.
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[14:28:07] red-agent: Windows к таковым правда не относится.
[14:28:35] red-agent: bahus, А зачем запускать тесты до установки драйверов?
[14:28:46] red-agent: Вы же тестируете функциональность драйверов, так?
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[14:29:02] bahus: red-agent: нет, мы тестируем полный жизненный цикл продукта
[14:29:19] bahus: bahus: инсталлятор, установка, базовые операции, удаление
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[14:29:41] red-agent: Overengineering
[14:30:22] bahus: red-agent: не думаю, потому что продукт сам по себе не простой
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[14:30:53] demalexx: да ето тролль? :)
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[14:31:22] red-agent: bahus, Тестирование установки и удаления -- лишнее, имо.
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[14:31:51] bahus: red-agent: вообще-то это основное, если продукта даже не ставится - то это уже фейл
[14:32:09] bahus: red-agent: а если система не бутится после установки - то это фейл в квадрате
[14:32:20] red-agent: Основное -- это тестирование основного функционала продукта.
[14:32:40] bahus: red-agent: есть такое понятие как BVT - build verification test
[14:32:42] xa4a: red-agent: ты эгоист. ты не думаешь о конечном пользователе. ты пишешь софт для себя
[14:33:01] red-agent: bahus, Сборка != инсталляция.
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[14:33:24] bahus: red-agent: ну я ща про инсталляцию конечного продукта говорю
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[14:34:36] red-agent: Тестировать сборку еще куда не шло. Ну ладно, я еще понимаю тестировать консистентность инсталляции после оной. Но то, что вы делаете -- это совсем не тру.
[14:34:57] red-agent: Срать в автозагрузку и брейкатся на ребут.
[14:35:20] red-agent: xa4a, Угу, я такой =(
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[14:36:53] bahus: red-agent: ты путаешь юнит тестинг и функциональное тестирование)
[14:37:01] xa4a: red-agent: 99% отечественных разработчиков такие. потому большинство отечественного софта (который не менеджится иностранцами) - неконкурентноспособное говно.
[14:37:42] red-agent: bahus, Я пока ничего не путаю, потому в вашем случае нужны оба вида тестов. =)
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[14:38:19] red-agent: xa4a, Ну это как сказать. У меня есть проекты, кол-во тестов в которых почти доходит до кол-ва основного кода, грубо говоря.
[14:38:33] red-agent: И с каждным днем меня все больше заебывает мейнтейнить эту кучу говна.
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[14:39:28] red-agent: xa4a, То, что ты нахерячишь тонну тестов -- не сделает твой продукт конкурентноспособным и не говном.
[14:39:31] bahus: xa4a: касперский, параллелс, акронис
[14:39:41] xa4a: red-agent: а я не про количество тестов
[14:39:49] red-agent: Скорее даже наоборот, если ты с ними переборщишь.
[14:40:12] red-agent: xa4a, Наш софт не популярен по совсем другим причинам.
[14:40:18] red-agent: We don't fit in the community.
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[14:40:48] xa4a: "ты не думаешь о конечном пользователе. ты пишешь софт для себя"
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[14:40:57] xa4a: We don't fit in the community конечных пользователей
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[14:41:39] xa4a: которым не нужны сотни крутых тестов, DVCS, AMQP, noSQL и другие крутые слова
[14:42:01] red-agent: xa4a, Хочешь посмотреть на проект, который думает про конечных пользователей?
[14:42:02] red-agent: Буквально.
[14:42:17] red-agent: Забивая при этом на то, о чем реально стояло бы подумать.
[14:42:27] xa4a: qip.ru ?
[14:42:32] red-agent: xa4a, Открой год gajim и наслаждайся...
[14:42:41] red-agent: *код
[14:43:00] xa4a: я, как конечный пользователь, смотрел на гаджим и он мне показался неудобным
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[14:43:29] red-agent: Это не меняет факта.
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[14:43:58] RaD: psi рулит :)
[14:43:59] xa4a: а qip удобный. и хоть, скорее всего, внутри говнокод, нету тыщ тестов, и это вообще аська - он популярен
[14:44:02] RaD: факт не очевиден
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[14:44:35] xa4a: юзабилити же
[14:45:02] red-agent: RaD, Для меня достаточно очевиден. Учитывая, что я немного девелоплю гажим и asterix меня уже разва два заебывал по этому поводу...
[14:45:38] wiz_: по поводу qip?
[14:45:46] RaD: то что ты его девелопишь - обесценивает твои слова, так как ты не...плять.слово.подобрать.не.могу, короче пристрастен
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[14:46:01] Typhon: удобство квипа под вопросом
[14:46:15] red-agent: RaD, Какие слова? :)
[14:46:22] red-agent: Что CB гажима -- говно?
[14:46:26] RaD: Хочешь посмотреть на проект, который думает про конечных пользователей?
[14:46:36] Typhon: гаджим наоборот, но глючный под вендой
[14:46:45] red-agent: Или что кор девелоперы чихают на внутреннее удобство в пользу пользовательского удобства?
[14:46:53] red-agent: Что опять таки ведет к говенной CB.
[14:47:20] RaD: СВ говно уже только потому, что я не знаю, что ты под этим имеешь в виду :)
[14:47:21] red-agent: Сейчас покажу один веселый коммит, если найду.
[14:47:27] red-agent: Который мне пришлось сделать.
[14:47:37] red-agent: Из-за пары метров RAMа и одного скрипта.
[14:47:41] red-agent: RaD, codebase
[14:47:52] RaD: теперь понятно
[14:47:53] xa4a: red-agent: слова о том, что пользовательское удобство, с точки зрения разрабов гаджима, выглядит довольно устрашающе
[14:48:04] RaD: если кодебаза позволяет эффективно поддерживать продукт -
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[14:48:06] red-agent: xa4a, Угу.
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[14:48:15] RaD: это круто, иначе это унылое г
[14:48:36] red-agent: RaD, Ну посмотри в код gajim
[14:48:38] red-agent: Круто бля...
[14:48:41] RaD: да не хочу :)
[14:48:49] red-agent: Ну тогда закрой варежку ;)
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[14:49:10] RaD: я в свой код смотрю, я щитаю он крутой :)
[14:49:15] red-agent: *считаю
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[14:49:27] mishok13: это уже плохо
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[14:49:45] RaD: но об этом не ору и ссылками на репы не кидаюсь
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[14:49:57] mishok13: если ты считаешь, что твой код -- крутой, значит ты остановился в развитии
[14:50:05] RaD: и я знаю, как сделать его ещё круче, но пока оно не нужно
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[14:52:15] red-agent: Гм, не могу найти тот коммит.
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[14:52:26] red-agent: Муркт вон его видел.
[14:52:35] red-agent: С док-стрингами который.
[14:52:52] Большой Лис: утра, ннах!
[14:53:09] red-agent: Большой Лис, Алоха.
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[14:53:28] xa4a: /me вообще изначально про код не говорил. а о том, что продукт, который делают только разработчики (которые по умолчанию не думают о usability), почти всегда бесперспективен. а тест тестированием на бутабельность системы показывает, кто насколько ложит на ю-билити
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[14:53:52] xa4a: т.к. это оно и есть, вощемта
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[14:54:57] red-agent: А, хе, нашел. http://trac.gajim.org/changeset/11135%3A204f4cf3d41f
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[14:56:15] RaD: фигассе, а зачем комменты то переводить?
[14:56:39] red-agent: лицопальма...
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[14:56:46] red-agent: Это не комменты. Это докстринги
[14:56:50] red-agent: были.
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[15:00:34] red-agent: xa4a, Вот тебе пример тех, кто думают о юзабилити. И готовы изуродовать ради этого код вдоль и поперек.
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[15:04:05] xa4a: за то конечным пользователям нравится. был бы коммерческий проект - каждый КП = $$ => твоя зп.
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[15:05:16] red-agent: Ладно, все это пустой пиздеж имхо.
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[15:09:28] red-agent: xa4a, Я вот ничего не могу найти нормального для haskell под vim.
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[15:09:34] red-agent: Все какое-то кривоватое.
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[15:12:05] mishok13: Yi
[15:12:09] mishok13: /me злобно смеется
[15:12:11] xa4a: я много не юзал, но из того, что смотрел - haskellmode-vim показался ничего. всё, что в скринкастах там - работало. код-комплит, выведение типов и документация в подсказках
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[15:15:10] feedbot: Блог python на хабрахабре — Язык программирования Python / Игра для программистов — Быки и коровы http://is.gd/4QSO2 (habrahabr.ru)
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[15:18:03] огыешсук: А пробовал ли кто ставить html5lib через pip из репы (https://html5lib.googlecode.com/hg/)?
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[15:19:46] огыешсук: hg в отличии от православного svn не хочет давать подпапку (/python/), а отдаёт всегда всю репу и pip там, ясное дело, не находит setup.py (лежащий в /python/)
[15:20:34] sevenov: огыешсук, заюзать hg+https://html5lib.googlecode.com/hg/python/ ?
[15:20:43] огыешсук: я только что об этом написал
[15:20:49] огыешсук: [16:19:47]<огыешсук> hg в отличии от православного svn не хочет давать подпапку (/python/), а отдаёт всегда всю репу и pip там, ясное дело, не находит setup.py (лежащий в /python/)

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[15:21:09] piranha: православие - кгам
[15:21:15] огыешсук: зато работает
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[15:21:19] piranha: pip - тупица
[15:21:26] piranha: :-)
[15:21:31] огыешсук: а лучше пока ничего не придумали для питона
[15:21:41] огыешсук: это диверсия, я знаю
[15:21:49] piranha: package tools в питоне вообще полное говно
[15:21:53] red-agent: rubygems рулит
[15:21:55] piranha: все скопом
[15:22:02] piranha: gems говно, просто чуть меньшее
[15:22:06] piranha: кабал рулит
[15:22:10] red-agent: Я протестую.
[15:22:13] red-agent: gems не говно.
[15:22:32] piranha: говно
[15:22:43] red-agent: не говно
[15:22:44] mishok13: уровень дискуссии растёт по часам
[15:22:45] piranha: всë ж относительно
[15:22:54] piranha: относительно яиц - оно даже и ничо вроде
[15:22:59] red-agent: И то правда.
[15:23:01] piranha: mishok13: медленно :(
[15:23:23] red-agent: gems + rake вполне сьедобно
[15:23:36] sevenov: кабал кстати крутая штука
[15:23:40] red-agent: С distutils/setuptools не сравнимо -- небо и земля.
[15:23:43] sevenov: гемс - говно
[15:23:47] sevenov: наверное
[15:23:48] sevenov: :D
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[15:23:53] red-agent: sevenov, Ты мудак =(
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[15:24:32] sevenov: red-agent, я знаю, спасибо.
[15:24:41] sevenov: пойду лучше спать
[15:24:45] red-agent: Всегда пожалуйста, коллега.
[15:24:47] sevenov: а то на всякую хуиту прёт.
[15:25:27] piranha: red-agent: напиши клëвый новый пакетный манагер?
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[15:26:19] red-agent: piranha, Ну если не будет чем занятся -- напишу.
[15:26:42] red-agent: Я в данный момент думаю над реанимацией одного прожекта. Стеганографического фреймворка.
[15:26:52] piranha: та ну
[15:26:58] piranha: лучше напиши пакетный манагер
[15:27:02] piranha: тебя все возлюбят
[15:27:10] red-agent: Я еще не договорил.
[15:27:12] Typhon: а с Distribute чо? а то я не вникал
[15:27:14] red-agent: Прожект на csharp
[15:27:16] red-agent: :D
[15:27:18] piranha: омг
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[15:27:27] piranha: Typhon: ну он чинит проблемы изи инсталла
[15:27:32] bobry: товарищи, а можно как нить в джанговсокую ValidationError html засунуть?
[15:27:50] piranha: но фундаментальные проблемы никуда не деваются
[15:27:50] bobry: а то она его эскейпит сволотч, а html хочется
[15:28:08] piranha: изя инсталл - это ж тупо скрин скрейпер для pypi
[15:28:13] piranha: bobry: |safe ?
[15:28:19] mishok13: как раз Distribue и будет решать фундаментальные проблемы
[15:28:25] mishok13: *Distribute
[15:28:36] mishok13: внимательнее надо distutils-sig читать
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[15:28:54] red-agent: Это проклятие.
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[15:29:17] red-agent: В пайтон коммюинити каждый следующий пакетный манагер -- получается еще говнистее, чем предыдущие.
[15:29:17] wiz_: piranha, теперь это называется "микроформаты" лол
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[15:29:36] piranha: mishok13: ну, йа его не читаю
[15:29:45] piranha: red-agent: чем пип говнистее изи?
[15:29:50] piranha: wiz: %)
[15:30:05] mishok13: тогда советую PEP 376, 386, 390
[15:30:07] mishok13: :)
[15:30:08] bobry: piranha, |safe это что то не туда видимо :)
[15:30:09] red-agent: Где блядь анинсталл?
[15:30:12] red-agent: piranha,
[15:30:18] mishok13: ну еще 381
[15:30:20] piranha: red-agent: его и у изи нету
[15:30:26] red-agent: Угу.
[15:30:31] огыешсук: у pip uninstall вроде теперь есть
[15:30:33] red-agent: Это уже порядком заебало.
[15:30:34] piranha: угу
[15:30:38] piranha: кстати да, теперь есть
[15:30:40] mishok13: у pip появился uninstall
[15:30:45] red-agent: Хз, я еще не щупал.
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[15:31:23] огыешсук: А с локальной копии репы можно pip`ом поставить приложение?
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[15:39:03] wonderfulll: как в sharpdeveloper для ironpython нормально задать стандартные питоновские библиотеки?
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[15:41:23] red-agent: Кстати, а PyBinding-то потихоньку развивается в MonoDevelop
[15:41:30] red-agent: Я его правда не юзаю.
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[16:05:07] bobry: а можно как нить в джанге из request получить не host сервера, а его айпи?
[16:05:44] xa4a: да
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[16:06:13] bobry: я чето то не могу найти, в META?
[16:06:35] xa4a: SERVER_ADDR
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[16:16:03] bobry: Exception Type: KeyError
Exception Value: SERVER_ADDR
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[16:44:12] _lorien: он там не обязательно должен быть, например в случае nginx надо назначать переменные, если ты fcgi используешь
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[16:47:05] bobry: _lorien, спасибо :)
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[16:48:44] _lorien: но вообще в случае nginx есть стандартный fastcgi_params - его и надо инклюдить
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[19:55:24] mkashkin: у кого в hgrc [extensions] директивы работают?
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[20:07:35] piranha: гхм, а у кого они не работают?
[20:09:29] Мозгошредер is now Вероятность получения Вами цензурного и корректного ответа зависит от тупости Вашего вопроса обратно пропорционально
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[20:10:02] piranha: о, йо
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[20:10:11] Большой Лис: болельшег, йомайо
[20:10:12] piranha: прикинь, я до сих пор еще не одуплился до конца :(
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[20:10:18] piranha: та пипец пля
[20:10:26] piranha: шото я давно не болел слишком, походу...
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[20:15:14] feedbot: BeautifulSoup script to convert "almost" any html template into a w2p layout http://is.gd/4R61N (www.reddit.com)
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[20:17:50] Большой Лис: w2p это чо?
[20:18:19] Большой Лис: ага, web2py
[20:18:20] _lorien: !g w2p layout
[20:18:22] Большой Лис: пнятно
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[21:39:31] _lorien: уважаемый all, чем отличается end candidacy от cancel не знаешь? ) на odesk :-)
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[21:44:25] slav0nic: _lorien, возможно в end надо ввести причину
[21:45:01] prudnikov.n: сори за глупый вопрос.... Но сейчас очень нужно подсчитать количество слов в файле. подскажите плиз Питон только начал изучать...
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[21:46:45] red-agent: Сплитишь регэкспом, который учитывает пробелы + знаки препинания -- и получаешь список слов/
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[21:48:40] prudnikov.n: если можно дайте плиз как это будет выглядеть в коде?
[21:48:45] prudnikov.n: очень нужно
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[21:49:07] slav0nic: студэнт?
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[21:49:55] prudnikov.n: я понимаю что ламо пришёл и спрашиваю банальное.... но очень нужно
[21:50:06] Typhon: len(open("C:\\Users\\Acer\\Desktop\\thumper.ml").read().split())
[21:50:08] bobry: про что речь та?
[21:50:22] prudnikov.n: да студент, но решил сам програмить
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[21:50:32] Typhon: ы
[21:50:36] Typhon: а где "сам" то?
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[21:50:41] _lorien: :o)
[21:50:48] Typhon: ежели ты сам не хочешь подумать
[21:50:49] slav0nic: тока
from string import punctuation
data.strip(punctuation)
сначал
[21:50:50] Typhon: и почитать
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[21:51:44] red-agent: slav0nic, Вариант быстрый, но не всегда рабочий.
[21:51:51] red-agent: К пример "вот-так" будет одним словом.
[21:51:51] slav0nic: гы
[21:52:02] slav0nic: хотяб погугли
[21:52:02] red-agent: Потому я и сказал делать регэкспом.
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[21:52:13] Муркт: red-agent: ты хочешь сказать, что "по-русски" - это два слова?
[21:52:16] slav0nic: red-agent, да я понимюа что регекспы кошерней, но чувак по ходу нулячий)
[21:52:34] red-agent: Муркт, А ты хочешь сказать, что одно?
[21:52:39] red-agent: "порусски"?
[21:52:40] Typhon: red-agent, одно :)
[21:52:43] Typhon: по-русски
[21:52:44] Муркт: red-agent: "по-русски" - одно
[21:52:56] prudnikov.n: да нулячий :)
[21:53:06] slav0nic: в ruCTF никто не участвовал?
[21:53:06] red-agent: Хотя я не помню включает ли string.punctuation дефисы.
[21:53:09] red-agent: Нужно посмотреть.
[21:53:27] red-agent: Включает.
[21:53:33] prudnikov.n: и подскажите плз что почитать лучше книгу какую?
[21:53:40] Муркт: dive into python
[21:53:40] red-agent: Муркт, Так что the fact stays...
[21:53:53] red-agent: Муркт, Fuuuu
[21:53:54] Муркт: prudnikov.n: ты английский знаешь?
[21:53:55] Typhon: присубстантивные наречия на «-ски»с префиксом «по-»...
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[21:54:05] red-agent: prudnikov.n, Официальный туториал почитай.
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[21:54:29] prudnikov.n: слабо, что нить на русском.... плз
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[21:54:50] Муркт: prudnikov.n: ну вот сначала английский, а потом и питон можно 6)
[21:54:52] Муркт: :)
[21:55:02] red-agent: Typhon, That wasn't the point. А the point была таковой, что вариант slav0nic сделает из "вот-это" - "вотэто"
[21:55:18] red-agent: Что в общем-то не кошерно.
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[21:55:25] Муркт: red-agent: дело в том, что "вот это" пишется без дефиса
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[21:55:37] Typhon: а зачем писать вот-это ?
[21:55:39] Typhon: )
[21:55:46] red-agent: Муркт, Ну ладно, подставь любое слово, которое пишется с ним =)
[21:55:47] Муркт: а если оно написано с дефисом, то проблема в авторе, а не в программе подсчёта
[21:55:59] Муркт: red-agent: а если оно пишется с дефисом - то это одно слово
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[21:56:52] slav0nic: ща перейдём к анализу морфологии и проблемам ИИ ))
[21:57:07] Муркт: и потому в жопу все анализы и сплит по пунктуациям
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[21:57:22] red-agent: Муркт, Угу, но если обстрипать из него дефис -- это уже будет другое слово. Не правильно написанное...
[21:57:23] Муркт: хлобыснуть по пробелам и быть щасливым
[21:58:02] Муркт: единственное что - из того, что там нахлобысяно, надо бы отфильтровать просто пунктуации
[21:58:11] Муркт: а то оно будет отдельно стоящее тире засчитывать за слово
[21:58:16] red-agent: Ну в таком случае лучше уж со стрипом пунктуации. Кол-во кода такое же примерно, а толку больше.
[21:58:22] red-agent: "С пивом покатит"
[21:58:36] Муркт: red-agent: сплитать по пробелам, стрипать по пунктуации
[21:58:43] red-agent: Угу.
[21:58:47] Муркт: red-agent: и если осталась непустая строка, то значит слово
[21:58:49] red-agent: Только в обратном порядке.
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[21:58:59] Муркт: prudnikov.n: всё понял? =)
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[22:00:58] red-agent: Особенно советую обратить внимание на
[21:54:58] Муркт: prudnikov.n: ну вот сначала английский, а потом и питон можно 6)
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[22:09:47] _lorien: >>> from string import punctuation
>>> 'fuck-fuck'.strip(punctuation)
'fuck-fuck'
strip только с краёв обрезает
[22:10:00] Муркт: _lorien: ну да, это и требуется
[22:10:14] _lorien: а ну ладно :)
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[22:10:35] Муркт: >>> '-'.strip(punctuation)
''
[22:10:56] Муркт: похоже наш пациент испугался и убёг
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[22:32:43] _lorien: пошёл за en-ru словариком
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[23:47:03] Lolka: народ, подскажите хороший джаббер сервер и желательно с транспортом в аську
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[23:47:14] Lolka: а то jabber.in.ua вечно мне устраивает полеты :(
[23:47:15] bobry: ejabberd?
[23:47:16] bobry: аа
[23:47:20] xa4a: jabber.ru
[23:47:20] Lolka: каждый заход, что с ним, черт его знает
[23:47:22] bobry: с транспортами в аську проблема
[23:47:35] xa4a: асько-транспортам нет пути
[23:47:41] xa4a: они тупые и глючные
[23:47:50] Lolka: ну да... но до сих пор ведь пользовался
[23:47:52] xa4a: юзай мультипротокольный клиент
[23:47:56] red-agent: Есть новый, крутой.
[23:47:59] Lolka: например?
[23:48:00] red-agent: Очень крутой, вроде как.
[23:48:05] Lolka: мне пси нравится, ничего другого не хочу
[23:48:06] xa4a: транспорт?
[23:48:20] red-agent: Его юзают пару человек из девелоперов гаджима.
[23:48:21] bobry: qutim?
[23:48:22] Lolka: а опенфайровский транспорт в аську хорош, не?
[23:48:28] red-agent: Угу, мультипротокольный, все в одном.
[23:49:08] Lolka: да ну, там этот вебкит... и вообще, меня пси всем устраивает, только последнее время транспорты подводят ((
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[23:49:52] red-agent: Lolka, Я не про qutim
[23:49:58] red-agent: Причем тут он?
[23:50:04] Lolka: red-agent: даааа? а о чем?
[23:50:05] red-agent: кутим это клиент, а не транспорт.
[23:50:10] Lolka: я понимаю
[23:50:14] red-agent: Я вижу...
[23:50:28] red-agent: Ну если johnny сейчас проснется и ответит -- то скажу.
[23:50:32] red-agent: Забыл название.
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[23:51:11] Lolka: не хочется мне новый клиент, мне звездочки нравятся и всячески меня умиляют :)
[23:51:18] red-agent: Блядь.
[23:51:21] red-agent: Я же сказал.
[23:51:26] red-agent: _Не клиент_.
[23:51:30] red-agent: Транспорт.
[23:51:33] Lolka: ну все, все, жду
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[23:52:57] red-agent: А, вспомнил.
[23:53:00] red-agent: Spectrum
[23:53:06] red-agent: http://spectrum.im/
[23:53:24] Lolka: ух ты... ща погляжу, спасибо
[23:54:07] red-agent: Там вроде как и передача файлов поддерживается и т.п.
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