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[00:17:55] slav0nic: всё, жизнь потеряла смысл, оказывается джангопони спёрли с пилонов)
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[00:18:07] bobry: что за джангопони?
[00:18:40] Большой Лис: форсированый маскот джанги
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[00:19:03] slav0nic: http://trac.pythonpaste.org/pythonpaste/browser/Paste/trunk/paste/pony.py
[00:19:05] slav0nic: во
[00:19:08] slav0nic: в пасте 4й год
[00:19:11] slav0nic: коняка
[00:19:19] _lorien: ну достаточно написать python или питон в посте и он попадёт в планету :)
[00:19:40] slav0nic: _lorien, в теге тож?
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[00:20:16] _lorien: да
[00:20:45] _lorien: там разные якоря для текста и для тэгов, теоретически разные, на практике эти два множества могут совпадать
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[01:18:11] _lorien: да я не настаиваю, не глючит,так не глючит :)
[01:19:25] gigimon: да не, ты прав. У них почему-то она не всегда отрисовывается, фиг знает почему и иконка меняется от релизов...
[01:21:40] red-agent: У кого гугловолна есть?
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[01:21:57] _lorien: гы, а я подумал, шо просто awesome глючит, но на оперу было прикольней спереть )
[01:22:21] _lorien: у меня есть, но я туда не люблю ходить, у меня там всё тормозит
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[01:23:24] red-agent: И блядь, как удалить что-то _нахуй_?
[01:23:29] red-agent: Не просто в корзину, а вообще -- нахуй...
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[01:33:04] bobry: sevenov, а ты couchdb с джангой юзал?
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[01:35:28] bobry: похоже couchdbkit не умеет тесты по нормальному
[01:35:48] bobry: и для тестов юзает основную db
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[01:38:45] gigimon: red-agent: я тож смысла гугло волны не понял, к тому же тормоз. Удалить из трэша вроде еще нельзя

[01:39:30] bobry: gigimon, она еще сырая просто очень, потому и betatest же
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[01:40:04] gigimon: ну мне кажется что такого монстра на js еще рановато пускать в мир
[01:40:24] bobry: gigimon, хороший повод стимулировать развитие браузеров)
[01:40:30] gigimon: ))
[01:40:50] gigimon: пока оно с 4 волнами даже в хроме тупит сильно
[01:41:11] red-agent: gigimon, Заебись, т.е. от кучи мусора мне не избавится?
[01:41:46] gigimon: red-agent: я не нашел как, просто не заглядывай в корзину)


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[10:04:51] Ляпатяпа: http://dumpz.org/14180/ - вот такой примерно лог у меня на впске. судя по первым строкам - подбирают пароль на ssh, судя по остальным - пытаются зайти в плеск админку, которая не работает из-за отключенного мускула. Но почему это делается одновременно?
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[10:08:39] xa4a: Ляпатяпа: вероятно pam как-то связан с плеском
[10:08:43] xa4a: !g plesk
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[10:09:37] xa4a: может какой-то из вариантов аутентификации - через плесковых юзеров
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[10:54:08] nmk: http://zw0rk.blogspot.com/2009/11/blog-post_08.html
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[12:07:09] Izvr: ответьте мне на мой вопрос
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[12:07:56] xa4a: вы не отвечаете мне на мой ответ!
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[12:08:42] Муркт: Izvr: вопрос? ну и тебе привет
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[12:09:42] Izvr: есть ли в django какой-нить наворот, чтобы реализовать расширенный доступ к объектам моделей, чтобы у объекта был хозяин и круг лиц, допущенных его читать, редактировать удалять и пр?
[12:10:04] Izvr: чтобы пользователь в админке видел только те объекты, которые ему положено видеть
[12:10:14] _lorien: вроде нету
[12:10:15] Ляпатяпа: нету такого
[12:10:15] xa4a: да
[12:10:20] _lorien: гы
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[12:10:31] _lorien: у кого какие ещё варианты? :D
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[12:11:04] Ляпатяпа: голосование решило что нету (за - 2 голоса, против - 1)
[12:11:10] _lorien: :)
[12:11:14] slav0nic: Izvr, читай на форуме я писал
[12:11:24] Izvr: ссылочку не дашь?
[12:11:28] RaD: o
[12:11:29] _lorien: :D
[12:11:30] RaD: ща
[12:11:33] slav0nic: а для прав есть аппы
[12:11:53] RaD: http://djbook.ru/text/examples/ - читай "интерфейс админа"
[12:11:59] slav0nic: хотя с ними вечно заёб)
[12:12:22] RaD: Разделяй и властвуй! - имхо то, что надо
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[12:13:11] Izvr: ну я нашел authority
[12:13:12] slav0nic: Izvr, http://python.su/forum/viewtopic.php?id=5446
[12:13:25] slav0nic: не совсем то конечно, но прова прикрутить с гурпапми думаю не сложно
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[12:13:42] Izvr: спасибо
[12:13:45] Izvr: сейчас изучу
[12:13:46] piranha: Izvr: http://hg.piranha.org.ua/byteflow/file/tip/apps/lib/libadmin.py
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[12:17:32] Ляпатяпа: что лучше, xen 256 mb или virtuozzo 768?
[12:17:59] Большой Лис: дедик лучше ;)
[12:18:27] xa4a: piranha: мультиюзерские блоги?
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[12:18:56] _lorien: лучше xen 768 :D
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[12:19:29] piranha: xa4a: угу
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[12:25:43] огыешсук: +1 за дедик, а уж на нём сам запускай хоть xen хоть виртуозу
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[12:29:53] _lorien: зато на vps апгрейд без гимора
[12:30:41] _lorien: и вообще есть клёвые штуки такие, типа когда нагрузка большая, то тебе ресуров дают дополнтиельных. Это у gandi такое есть :)
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[12:31:06] огыешсук: _lorien: я и говорю -- заводи на дедике VPSки под каждую задачу и апгрейдся на здоровье
[12:32:04] огыешсук: покупай ещё дедиков, просто копируй VPSки и масштабируйся таким образом скока угодно
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[12:32:55] _lorien: Да ладно, я всё равно хощщу пару гавносайтов, так что не знаю, что там лучше или хуже :)
[12:33:10] sevenov: amazon ec2 же, ну.
[12:33:17] sevenov: или гридами брать
[12:33:25] sevenov: как в ганди или медиатепле
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[12:33:40] _lorien: шо за грибы?
[12:33:48] sevenov: _lorien, grid.
[12:33:50] _lorien: слайс - это гриб?
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[12:33:56] огыешсук: амазон пока дороговат в сравнении с unmanaged дедиками
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[12:33:58] sevenov: да, это грид )
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[12:34:27] sevenov: огыешсук, вот только дедик у тебя один, а у амазона годное облако.
[12:34:42] sevenov: за это можно и переплатить.
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[12:35:50] sevenov: ммм
[12:35:56] огыешсук: sevenov: так можно докупить если чё. но я согласен, я покамест нищеброд, вот дедиками по сто баксов в месяц и перебиваюсь. Вот когда найду свою жилу, тогда на амазон может и начну смотреть...
[12:36:05] огыешсук: Хотя... Знает ли кто коммерчески успешные предприятия на базе амазона? Я слышал там тоже полно подводных граблей.
[12:36:18] _lorien: дык вон mishok13 рассказывал
[12:36:22] sevenov: мишка надо пнуть
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[12:51:59] piranha: битбукет от амазона уходит по ходу дела
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[12:52:33] Большой Лис: в /dev/null ?
[12:52:35] Большой Лис: =]
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[12:52:45] Большой Лис: piranha, это твой шанс!
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[12:59:20] _lorien: не надо девнулл, у меня там все мои гавнопроекты )
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[13:03:53] xa4a: _lorien: а может им там хорошо?
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[13:04:09] xa4a: оттуда пока никто не возвращался :(
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[13:05:05] sevenov: кто помнит линки на vimeo со скринкастами про вим?
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[13:06:02] slav0nic: piranha, э и куда?
[13:06:21] Большой Лис: sevenov, йа
[13:06:22] Большой Лис: ща найду
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[13:06:45] Большой Лис: http://vimeo.com/user1690209
[13:06:48] Большой Лис: вот автор
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[13:06:52] sevenov: http://flycat.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/a255f6be65ed5754a83b975.jpg
[13:06:56] sevenov: Большой Лис, о, спасибо.
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[13:08:34] piranha: slav0nic: не помню, мож на рекспейс… повтыкай в их блоге
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[13:15:18] feedbot: django разработчик http://is.gd/4RE73 (pyjob.ru)
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[13:16:15] sevenov: 10$ в час. В топку.
[13:16:49] RaD: дорого?
[13:16:50] sevenov: >-умение начинать проект без четкого тз и постепенно менять его
им нужен либо маг, либо быдлокодер. Тогда понятно почему 10$
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[13:16:56] sevenov: RaD, мало.
[13:17:03] RaD: сколько нормально?
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[13:17:20] sevenov: RaD, ну на одеске в среднем 20-25 берут.
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[13:17:50] RaD: это в месяц примерно 20*8 * 20 = 3200$ ?
[13:18:02] xa4a: ты пишешь код 8 часов каждый день??
[13:18:16] RaD: бывает и больше
[13:18:27] xa4a: _каждый день_?
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[13:18:33] xa4a: 20 дней в месяц?
[13:18:35] RaD: 20 дней в месяц пишу
[13:18:35] sevenov: RaD, врешь.
[13:18:47] sevenov: RaD, 40 часов в неделю писать код не реально
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[13:19:04] sevenov: либо ты робот.
[13:19:11] RaD: я робот :)
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[13:19:24] xa4a: им нужен либо маг, либо быдлокодер, либо робот
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[13:19:30] sevenov: да.
[13:19:35] sevenov: либо RaD
[13:20:07] RaD: ну код пишу, доки, тесты, баги описываю, джанго/питон/оракл/мегасистема сборки на анте
[13:20:43] xa4a: RaD: сейчас ты в чате сидишь, если что
[13:20:51] xa4a: одеск бы обиделся
[13:21:55] RaD: это не я, это многозадачный комп, а я отлаживаю новый патч на оракловую схему
[13:22:22] sevenov: RaD, по моему, ты слишком много куришь чего-то веселого.
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[13:22:52] RaD: ты мне скажи сколько тогда в месяц выходит у вас, где я ошибся в формуле?
[13:22:53] xa4a: RaD: на одеске у всех такие компы. но они делают скриншоты эрана, а не срез top'a
[13:23:08] xa4a: поэтому ты сидишь в чате
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[13:23:53] RaD: о! про скриншоты это мысль, надо внедрить в своих проектах и гнобить быдлокодеров :)
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[13:24:26] sevenov: быдлокодеров...
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[13:25:08] RaD: так, на цбд патч накатился, теперь лбд
[13:25:10] огыешсук: /me имеет 4 монитора, чего одеск тут наскриншотит?
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[13:25:49] RaD: огыешсук: в pyqt есть пример со скриншотттингом, попробуй :)
[13:26:11] sevenov: огыешсук, ну текущий наверное, на котором фокус или типа того.
[13:26:35] огыешсук: RaD: pyqt тут изучаю не я, а извр, и вообще я не о том
[13:26:54] RaD: ну, ты сможешь посмотреть, что он наскриншотит на 4-х мониторах
[13:27:14] RaD: там просто готовый скрипт, запустил и увидел результат
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[13:27:29] RaD: о! и лбд отработала нормально, можно коммитить
[13:27:35] xa4a: у меня два монитора через хинераму. на всех скриншотах оба
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[13:27:57] огыешсук: при этом, половина мониторов у меня вообще подключены к другому компу с другой операционкой (а клаву и клитор шарит sygergy)
[13:27:58] xa4a: (не на одеске. там не пробовал ни разу даже)
[13:28:13] xa4a: огыешсук: synergy - Ъ
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[13:29:14] nmk: сегодня не пятница, но все же. как написать скрипт, который будет проверять свой md5? :)
[13:29:27] sevenov: nmk, покажи сиськи!
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[13:29:40] nmk: я тебе о высоком
[13:29:40] sevenov: хотя сегодня не пятница, но все же.
[13:29:43] nmk: а ты о сиськах
[13:29:54] sevenov: сиськи по твоему не высокое? о_О
[13:30:03] _lorien: Оплата: 10$ час.Присылайте ваши портфолио ... для конкурса, будут выбраны лучшие.
[13:30:20] RaD: nmk: md5(open(__file__).readlines()) == md5(open(__file__).readlines()) :) типа того :)
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[13:30:37] nmk: RaD: не. md5 должен быть записан в файле. :)
[13:31:30] RaD: импосибл в чистом виде
[13:31:51] RaD: можно записать md5 последней строкой и подсчитывать все кроме неё, тогда можно
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[13:32:14] nmk: так понятно и не интересно. ;)
[13:32:18] RaD: типа сделал скрипт, посчитал его md5, дописал в конец файла и всё
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[13:35:17] nmk: интересно насколько это реально с хеш-функцией попроще
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[13:37:52] RaD: 99% нереально вообще
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[13:39:19] Ляпатяпа: rvcs для бекапов никто не использует?
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[13:40:52] Ляпатяпа: думаю из static/uploads сделать hg репо и коммитить каждый день/час
[13:41:10] nmk: ээээ
[13:41:18] nmk: какая-то не самая хорошая идея помоему :)
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[13:42:04] Ляпатяпа: а почему? с домашней машины hg pull по крону... восстановить если что можно за любое время с полпинка
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[13:42:36] Ляпатяпа: там 30 метров сейчас
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[13:42:43] nmk: files over 10MB may cause memory and performance problems
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[13:42:54] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (у меня на скриншоте будет примерно так: http://niksite.ru/pics/desk.jpg -- на трёх из четырёх окон при этом вполне себе работа и только на одном чатег)
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[13:43:45] xa4a: какая норка..
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[13:46:44] огыешсук: Ляпатяпа: /me для бекапов мелких файлов и конфигов юзает changetrack (запускаемый по крону по нескольку раз в час) чем и щастлив, плюс время от времени ещё и boxbackup запускается и бекапит помимо всего прочего ещё и локальную репу changetrack`а. Плюс время от времени (когда не лень и есть пара часов) весь диск бекапится на один из друх резервных внешних носителей.
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[13:47:48] Ляпатяпа: для конфигов hg самое то
[13:47:56] Ляпатяпа: мне же надо для мелких картинок
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[13:50:15] огыешсук: changetrack это rcs, что тоже неплохо если для локальных нужд
[13:51:05] Ляпатяпа: сейчас читаю про boxbackup, симпатично выглядит
[13:51:15] огыешсук: уже больше гигабайта наchangetrack`ано и пока неплохо так шевелится
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[13:51:28] огыешсук: хотя надо почистить, конечно
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[13:52:10] Ляпатяпа: мне надо vps резервировать... завтра будет праздник, 222 аптайма без единого сбоя. Но без бекапа на моей машине как-то ссыкатно
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[13:56:48] _lorien: Ляпатяпа, у тебя нет бэкапа данных? o_O
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[13:58:27] Ляпатяпа: угу, сам в шоке
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[13:58:47] Ляпатяпа: периодически вручную снимаю, но это не то
[13:58:54] Ляпатяпа: систематизации ноль
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[14:02:55] _lorien: mysqldump/pg_dump раз в сутки и потом забираешь через scp - 10 минут писать )
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[14:06:44] xa4a: /me тем временем сходил, написал в крон */15 * * * * root cd /; [[ $(hg diff) != "" ]] && hg ci -m"config auto backup at $(date)\n$(hg st -mad)" && hg push
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[14:07:30] Большой Лис: xa4a, cd /
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[14:07:32] Большой Лис: ?!
[14:08:10] xa4a: Большой Лис: ну предварительно cd /; hg add $(all_my_backuped_configs)
[14:08:27] Большой Лис: каков хитрец
[14:08:28] xa4a: собрать же не только из /етц
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[14:11:10] Большой Лис: xa4a, и ignore ещё, что б не путались под ногами
[14:11:39] xa4a: в .ignore много писать прийдётся
[14:11:52] xa4a: .hgignore который
[14:12:01] Большой Лис: я вообще чесно говоря не совсем втыкаю, что ещё кроме /etc можно туда коммитить
[14:12:14] xa4a: конфиги из моего $HOME
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[14:12:31] xa4a: можно /var/lib туда же, при желании
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[14:13:06] Большой Лис: нафик?!
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[14:13:14] Большой Лис: БД что бы коммитить?
[14:13:22] Большой Лис: там же и mysql и pgsql
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[14:13:38] mishok13: что хотели?
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[14:14:02] xa4a: там couchdb, rrd, iptables, dhcp
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[14:20:04] Dimka: подскажите про QTableWidget
[14:20:15] Dimka: необходимо вводить в ячейки числа
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[14:21:05] Dimka: но для QTableWidgetItem нет валидации и маски
[14:22:09] RaD: там должен быть keypress какой-нибудь
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[14:22:57] Dimka: и его фильтровать?
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[14:25:51] _lorien: http://javascript.ru/blog/Dmitry-A.-Soshnikov/Tonkosti-ECMA-262-3.-CHast-7.-OOP. прикольные статейки чувак пишет
[14:27:20] RaD: Dimka: самый правильный вариант - это поставить Qt Assistant и почитать примеры и доки там, иначе просто пипец
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[14:29:18] Dimka: просто варианты типа
вместо QTableWidgetItem вставлять QLineEdit или QSpinBox
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[14:29:36] Dimka: или использовать QTqbleView
[14:29:46] Dimka: не нравятся
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[14:32:16] RaD: lineedit точно должен иметь и маску и валидатор
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[14:32:37] Dimka: это да
[14:33:31] Dimka: но он в отличии от тейблвиджетайтем не растягивается закрывая ячеку справа при вводе длинного значения
[14:33:32] RaD: я видел пример с заменой содержимого ячейки на qspinbox на время редактирования, думаю тебе подойдет
[14:33:33] Dimka: ))))
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[14:34:01] RaD: а если попросить растянуться :)
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[14:34:31] xa4a: думаю, можно смотреть в сторону делегатов
[14:34:37] Dimka: емнип там тайблвью
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[14:35:13] Dimka: эти делегаты, они для таблвью?
[14:36:32] RaD: они для всего
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[14:59:52] piranha: RaD: почему б на ifconfig не глянуть?
[14:59:58] piranha: xa4a: там ты в любом случае реальный увидишь
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[15:04:38] xa4a: http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1301
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[15:15:11] feedbot: ImageJ in a Sage notebook, an example of Python calling Java http://is.gd/4RIvK (www.reddit.com)
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[15:19:35] огыешсук: А биндинги к окамлу в питоне е?
[15:20:16] Большой Лис: окамл уже либой стал?
[15:20:27] огыешсук: ну к С же есть
[15:20:28] sevenov: огыешсук, што?
[15:20:43] sevenov: проспитесь, товарищ
[15:20:44] огыешсук: имею в виду взаимовстраивание кода
[15:20:51] sevenov: C API
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[15:21:31] tilarids: огыешсук: ты хочешь модуль к питону написать на окамле?
[15:21:35] огыешсук: угу
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[15:24:22] огыешсук: !g python ocaml api
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[15:25:37] RaD: потому что я йоту увижу после НГ, когда систему надо будет выставлять в работу
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[15:29:09] red-agent: [15:20:37] огыешсук: ну к С же есть
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[15:29:37] red-agent: Ничего страшного, что С -- это а) стандарт де-факто; б) прост, как два пальца; в) CPython на нем написан?
[15:29:58] огыешсук: ничего страшного, это нормально
[15:30:19] red-agent: А то, что окамль -- не подпадает ни под один этот пункт -- тоже ничего?
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[15:31:32] sevenov: огыешсук, ocaml -> c <- python ?
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[15:31:35] sevenov: ^_^
[15:31:46] red-agent: (+ веревка + мыло)
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[15:31:58] red-agent: (|| апстена)
[15:32:00] sevenov: (+ веревка мыло)
[15:32:04] sevenov: так правильнее
[15:32:05] огыешсук: ну ладно, убедили, буду всё на С писать
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[15:57:58] Большой Лис: http://demotivation.ru/images/20091109/odev5jih6iru.jpg
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[16:02:18] xa4a: тоже в метро видел неделю назад бабу в противогазе
[16:02:27] xa4a: зелёном таком, с длинным фильтром
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[16:02:34] xa4a: и с сумкой в виде гробика
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[16:02:39] Большой Лис: :D
[16:02:46] Большой Лис: так она прикалывалась с людей просто
[16:02:56] sevenov: а мы на военной подготовке в противогазах бегали :)
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[16:05:16] огыешсук: А нам давали одевать костюм полной хим. защиты. Правда зачем? Мы ж ракетчики ;o/
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[16:09:44] bobry: ррр, народ, как мне couchdb в джанге протестировать
[16:10:03] sevenov: bobry, чо?
[16:10:03] bobry: он тесты в основную базу пишет гат такой
[16:10:12] sevenov: аа
[16:10:17] bobry: не могу найти как его отучить от этого
[16:10:19] bobry: не поможешь?
[16:10:36] sevenov: ну юзай не джангу для запуска тестов, пиши сам.
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[16:10:58] sevenov: или добавь команду типа testcouchdb , например.
[16:11:01] bobry: аа, ну выход, да :)
а django.Client я смогу пользовать?
[16:11:39] sevenov: bobry, дык посмотри как в couchdbkit тесты написаны.
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[16:12:39] bobry: уже смотрел, ладно, что то я действительно зациклился на этом manage.py test
напишу отдельно, спасибо
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[17:18:47] k0sh: а нахрена нужны две конференции по питону, если в них сидят одни и теже люди?
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[17:19:11] огыешсук: Нет, мы разные!
[17:19:34] slav0nic: k0sh, иди в ту
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[17:19:52] k0sh: я там
[17:20:01] огыешсук: Да-да. Там наша добрая сторона силы.
[17:20:04] _lorien: k0sh, ты тут
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[17:20:25] slav0nic: тока недавно смотрел передачу о том что 2 частицы на самом деле одна, просто в разных местах)
[17:20:25] k0sh: там мне не разрешают писать в алл чат
[17:20:37] огыешсук: Добро -- оно такое, да.
[17:20:41] slav0nic: скоро и тут запретят)
[17:20:42] _lorien: k0sh, вот гады
[17:21:04] k0sh: останусь тут
[17:21:13] огыешсук: slav0nic: а там не говорили, что на самом деле никаких частиц нет, а есть одна на всех суперструна?
[17:21:39] slav0nic: там много чего говорили, но я нихера не понял)
[17:22:01] _lorien: slav0nic, надо было звук включить :)
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[17:22:15] огыешсук: /me три года отучился на физ.факе и теперь прекрасно понимает, что нифига не понимает
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[17:26:03] slav0nic: Вниз по кролячей норе называется передачка
[17:26:41] _lorien: блин, кажется забыл компьютерру :(
[17:26:48] _lorien: два дня назад в общепите
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[17:43:59] dicos: Вопрос по питону и джанге. Если не сложно посмотрите http://govnokod.com/1817
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[17:48:07] _lorien: dicos, import os
os.environ['DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE'] = 'settings'
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[17:57:09] dicos: _lorien, спасибо, немного помогло, правда вывалилась еще одна ошибка http://govnokod.com/1818
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[17:58:34] _lorien: dicos, вставляй print в сорцы джанги и поймёшь, что не так
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[17:59:16] red-agent: settings.py кривой
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[17:59:22] red-agent: Соры джанги тут не при чем.
[17:59:50] red-agent: Точнее, даже не он.
[17:59:54] red-agent: А то, что dicos делает
[18:00:02] red-agent: Он подгружает модель напрямую, без пакета
[18:00:07] red-agent: *Модели
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[18:00:35] dicos: Мне надо написать бота, который будет обрабатывать письма, и помещать данные в БД.
[18:00:37] red-agent: kwargs = {"app_label": model_module.__name__.split('.')[-2]}
[18:00:46] red-agent: А тут очевидно ожидают пакет с модулем.
[18:00:51] red-agent: А пакета нет, вот и облом.
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[18:01:26] dicos: В качестве ОРМ я решил использовать ОРМ самой джанги, чтобы все контролировать из одного места
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[18:02:58] _lorien: dicos, какой у тебя код, не пойму, покажи код :)
[18:02:59] dicos: Как исправить это положение?
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[18:03:30] dicos: тут импорт модели http://govnokod.com/1816
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[18:04:04] dicos: тут сама модель http://govnokod.com/1819
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[18:04:57] _lorien: http://govnokod.com/1816 какая-то х..я
[18:05:32] dicos: _lorien я в ответе написал более подробно
[18:05:34] _lorien: это не код, это просто два вызова sys.path.append :-)
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[18:05:54] red-agent: Сказал же бля -- криво импортируются модель, ты их импортируешь анквалифайд.
[18:06:00] red-agent: Без пакета.
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[18:06:30] _lorien: dicos, в коде по ссылке у тебя просто два вызова sys.path.append, там нету никакой работы с джангой и т.д.
[18:06:31] dicos: red-agent какой пакет надо импортировать?
[18:06:40] red-agent: В каком у тебя модели находится.
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[18:07:20] dicos: здесь я импортирую модели http://govnokod.com/1821
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[18:07:34] red-agent: Что и требовалось доказать.
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[18:09:30] xa4a-m: А где вызов sys.path.append??
[18:09:55] dicos: 11 и 12 строчка в http://govnokod.com/1821
[18:09:59] _lorien: это похоже скрипт лежащий где-то внутри проекта
[18:10:12] dicos: да, так и есть
[18:10:18] xa4a-m: А вопрос какой?
[18:10:32] red-agent: Вы сегодня обкуренные все что-ли?
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[18:11:02] dicos: xa4a-m, уже ответили, спасибо.
[18:11:26] _lorien: так что в итоге то получилось? :)
[18:12:21] xa4a-m: И что должно было получиться? А то, модели-то где импортируются?
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[18:12:43] red-agent: лицпальма.
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[18:12:46] dicos: Сейчас, базу залью, выборку сделаю, и скажу
[18:13:35] _lorien: эээ зачем заливать, код, говорю, какой получился
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[18:15:21] dicos: http://govnokod.com/1822 в 17 строчке поменял import models
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[18:19:42] dicos: _lorien, red-agent очень вам признателен, у меня без вас ни чего бы не получилось. спасибо!
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[19:15:19] feedbot: Packaging Propaganda, Comrades [more in comments] http://is.gd/4RSBq (www.reddit.com)
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[19:33:55] red-agent: xa4a-m, Транслятор. Это называется транслятор...
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[19:34:22] red-agent: (Я про http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/Haskell/68995/ и "Возможно, это не компилятор, а декомпилятор, не знаю. ")
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[19:37:05] red-agent: У тебя кстати в таблицы там в первой ячейке смещения -- О вместо 0
[19:37:08] red-agent: Это так задумано...?
[19:37:11] XIT is now dnd
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[19:37:22] _lorien: Ура, я сделал очередной гавносайт :) http://pyweb.ru
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[19:37:51] red-agent: fuuu
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[19:37:55] red-agent: Design fail
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[19:38:20] _lorien: угу, бум менять )
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[19:41:26] red-agent: "Abstract Syntax Tree, дерево абстрактное потому что содержит суть программы, а не ее текстовое или бинарное представление"
[19:41:35] red-agent: xa4a-m, С точностью, да наоборот.
[19:41:59] red-agent: AST содержит синтаксическую структуру, а не суть.
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[19:44:53] red-agent:
type DestAddr = Int
type SrcAddr = Int
...
type DstAddr = Int
type SrcAddr = Int

для симметрии
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[19:45:37] red-agent: xa4a-m, Там кстати опечатка.
[19:45:49] red-agent: В тексте упоминается именно Dst один раз, а в коде идет Dest
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[19:48:53] red-agent: Форматирование первого куска кода тоже не комильфо.
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[19:55:33] red-agent: xa4a-m, А так в целом -- не плохо. Я правда до конца не дочитал, где-то после определения CmdOp потерял интерес
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[19:55:47] red-agent: Остальную часть тольку код проглянул
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[19:59:12] red-agent: xa4a-m, Гм, а статья-то вообще твоя? :D
[19:59:27] red-agent: А то я линк у тебя в блоге случайно выцепил, толком не посмотрев что это...
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[20:15:11] feedbot: The embarrassing way to code http://is.gd/4RUZ1 (www.reddit.com)
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[22:35:40] bobry: товарищи, а за сравнение __eq__ отвечает да?
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[22:39:04] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/reference/datamodel.html#object.__cmp__ и ниже читай
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[22:57:03] xa4a: red-agent: статья не моя. я просто разместил её в google reader shared панельке
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[23:57:26] _lorien: http://lorien.name/static/pub/690b5fe7c506803f6e87574982279259.png
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