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[01:56:53] bobry: товарищи, а можно как нить очистить данные формы одним методом?
[01:56:55] bobry: не могу найти что то
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[02:05:58] _lorien: <КОннннтекстный вызов нужных сил[форма.метод_хорош_для_очистки_данных(давай_ка_очищайка)]>
[02:06:02] _lorien: :D
[02:06:21] _lorien: А в каком хоть языке? )
[02:07:15] bobry: ой, я про джангу говорил)
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[02:09:09] _lorien: увы, в шесть утра я способен только всякий бред писать )
[02:09:18] bobry: lol :) у нас еще тока 3
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[02:13:46] bobry: _lorien, а про тесты рассказать чутка способен?
[02:15:14] _lorien: ооо, тесты, это такие силы, они интригующе девуализуют напряжённое недопонимание основных процессов, образующих диссонанс сильнейших диффузных процесов внешнего и внутреннего миров
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[02:15:44] bobry: фу ты
[02:15:51] _lorien: * девуализируют
[02:16:22] bobry: лучше скажи чем нормальные люди ответ django.test.client обрабатывают
[02:17:03] _lorien: не знаю, я по тестам слабо шарю
[02:17:20] _lorien: никто меня не заставляет их писать :-(
[02:17:23] bobry: аа..
[02:17:40] bobry: мне тут заказчик написал блин, требования..coverage > 80% :)
[02:17:54] bobry: doctests еще к тому же, по возможности
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[06:33:15] dicos: Доброе утро. Вопрос по производительности: как лучше организовать цикл:
1) for lineNum in range(len(message)):
2) lineNumMsgList = range(len(message))
for lineNum in lineNumMsgList:
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[06:37:03] wiz: for pos, line in enumerate(message):
[06:37:53] dicos: wiz: спасибо, сейчас только разберусь что за команда
[06:39:00] dicos: wiz: спасибо, не знал что так можно
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[07:24:22] dicos: Тупой вопрос:
a = [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0]
for b in a:
del a[0]
Теоритически должны все элементы удаляться, а на практике нет. Из-за чего это происходит? Что за магия?
[07:25:03] Rush (Tonop) Online: a не успел мутировать ?
[07:25:15] dicos: print a выводит [6,7,8,9,0]
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[07:25:47] dicos: Rush (Tonop) Online: я правда не могу понять, мануалы уже все перерыл
[07:26:07] Rush (Tonop) Online: dlcos: +1, тоже заинтересовало
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[07:34:41] wiz: a.pop(0) ?
[07:34:46] wiz: а вообще зачем такое?
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[07:35:39] Rush (Tonop) Online: зачем - тоже интересный вопрос
[07:35:54] Rush (Tonop) Online: а происходит такое из за логики работы итератора
[07:36:21] dicos: wiz: обрабатываю входящую электронную почту, каждая строка это элемент списка.
[07:36:39] dicos: Мне надо перед обработкой письма убрать все заголовки
[07:36:58] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos: я думал интерес академический :( а так - a.pop(0) хотя бы
[07:37:48] Rush (Tonop) Online: как у тебя все сроки в списке оказались интересно...
[07:37:54] Rush (Tonop) Online: * строки
[07:38:07] Rush (Tonop) Online: в смысле не "как" а "зачем"
[07:38:30] wiz: body = message[message.find(''):]
[07:39:44] dicos: хм...
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[07:41:35] dicos: вообщем такая программа http://govnokod.com/1827 с 17 по 30 строку идет магия
[07:43:21] wiz: прдлагаю сдать каркас велосипеда в утиль и взять либу для разбора сообщений
[07:45:30] dicos: wiz: охота питон освоить
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[07:45:56] wiz: гм
[07:46:10] wiz: синтаксис чтоль?
[07:46:17] wiz: встроеные либы это тоже "питон"
[07:46:23] wiz: и ими тоже надо уметь пользоваться
[07:47:15] dicos: wiz: Есть класс email, но как я понял, он нужен для того, чтобы "создавать" письма с вложениями
[07:47:27] wiz: там есть и чтобы парсить
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[07:55:53] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos: да ты моньяк... вот здесь - уже косяк - for msgIndex in range(msgCount):
[07:56:17] Rush (Tonop) Online: я конечно уже не помню протокола pop3
[07:56:36] Rush (Tonop) Online: но вроде там надо точно знать индексы, и они не обязаны идти по порядку
[07:56:47] Rush (Tonop) Online: там команда какая то есть типа LIST
[07:57:42] Rush (Tonop) Online: ну а само сообщение вручную зазбирать - это суперманьячество...
[07:57:47] dicos: Rush (Tonop) Online: все верно, это в книге Марка Лутца написано
[07:59:24] dicos: Rush (Tonop) Online:что теперь, сейчас я считаю, что делать что-то серьезное на JS без JS фреймворка это маньячество. Хотя в когда я изучал, то считал, что это вполне нормально
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[08:00:41] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos: тогда начни изучение питона с его дзен http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/
[08:01:05] dicos: Rush (Tonop) Online: :)
[08:02:07] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos: сейчас тебе подходит вот это:
Simple is better than complex.
There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it.
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[08:04:40] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, посмотрел POP3, действительно range(msgCount) можно юзать, ибо серванд обязан на время сессии держать себя в руках :_
[08:05:36] dicos: Rush (Tonop) Online: а что еще можешь предложить?
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[08:06:32] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, http://docs.python.org/library/email.html#module-email ?
[08:09:03] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, что то типа
import email
message = email.message_from_string('\n'.join(message))
[08:09:44] dicos: не, я думал, что есть какая-нибудь библиотека, выше poplib
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[08:12:51] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, мы ведь ищучаем питон ? а значит юзаем стандартные либы из коробки :)
[08:13:04] dicos: да ;-)
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[08:17:16] dicos: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\web\realtor\mailTooDatabaseBot\retrieveMail.py", line 28, in <module>
body = email.parser.Parser.parsestr("\n".join(message))
TypeError: unbound method parsestr() must be called with Parser instance as firs
t argument (got str instance instead)
[08:19:28] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, а чем не угодил message = email.message_from_string('\n'.join(message)) ?
[08:20:21] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, email.parser.Parser это класс
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[08:20:43] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, а parsestr соттв. метод его экземпляра
[08:21:01] Rush (Tonop) Online: а ты вызываешь parsestr как метод класса
[08:21:16] dicos: понятно... что-то я не сообразил
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[08:31:18] dicos: message = email.message_from_string('\n'.join(message))
message что за объект? type(message) говорит, что instance
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[08:35:59] dicos: ладно, покопаю исходники
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[08:42:25] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, message это список строк, тот что у тебя
[08:42:42] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, * тот же
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[08:52:59] dicos: body = email.message_from_string("\n".join(message))
print type(body)
<type 'instance'>
[08:53:11] dicos: Что-то не понимаю, как пользоваться этим классом
[08:54:22] dicos: половина методов класса Parser,FeedParser закрытые, что с ним делать я ума не приложу
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[09:07:00] Rush (Tonop) Online: а что тебе от него надо ?
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[09:07:18] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, body['From']
[09:08:03] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, body.get_payload()
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[09:17:26] dicos: например посмотреть само письмо, а не заголовки
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[09:20:23] dicos: Rush (Tonop) Online: а как посмотреть что в письме написано?
msg = email.message_from_string("\n".join(message))
for index, msg in msg.items():
print index, '---', msg
не выводит само письмо. а оно мне как раз необходимо
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[09:20:52] Rush (Tonop) Online: [10:08:13] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, body.get_payload()
[09:21:05] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos, ты читаешь, что я пишу ?
[09:21:26] dicos: не увидел
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[09:24:42] dicos: Rush (Tonop) Online: не работает
msg = email.message_from_string("\n".join(message))
for index, msg in msg.items():
print index, '---', msg
msg.get_payload()
пишет AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'get_payload'
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[10:24:20] nuetrum: какими библиотеками пользоваться?
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[10:24:30] nuetrum: а то в английском не бум-бум
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[10:30:36] nuetrum: т.е. использовать stdlib?
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[10:30:54] Rush (Tonop) Online: nuetrum: а при чём тут питон ? шелл вполне себе справится
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[10:32:09] nuetrum: в google ввел shell только моторные масла нашел
[10:32:10] nuetrum: )
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[10:32:16] nuetrum: что это такое?
[10:33:00] Муркт: :-DDDD
[10:33:03] Typhon: nuetrum: stdlib это поставляемая вместе с интерпретатором библиотека, содержащая кучу модулей.
[10:33:32] Муркт: давно я не слышал настолько крутого вопроса - "что такое shell" =))))
[10:33:39] nuetrum: ))
[10:33:42] Typhon: потому что "Batteries Included"
[10:34:01] nuetrum: блин да я только читать умею, писать разучился давно :)
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[10:34:08] nuetrum: cmd это и есть shell?
[10:34:26] nuetrum: за тупость извеняюсь заранее
[10:34:27] nuetrum: )))
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[10:34:44] Typhon: red-agent сказал бы "Клиент: QIP Infium 9032 --- все понятно" :)
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[10:37:22] Муркт: nuetrum: в общем-то да, cmd это виндовый шелл, но тут говорили о nix-овом
[10:37:51] nuetrum: да вы все на unix'e сидите))
[10:37:56] nuetrum: вот я и не понял сразу :)
[10:37:57] Typhon: нет
[10:38:31] Rush (Tonop) Online: nuetrum, жжош
[10:38:32] nuetrum: тогда я вообще ничего не понимаю*SCRATCH*
[10:38:44] Typhon: и если у тебя виндовс, то архивировать придется zlib'ом например
[10:39:00] Typhon: опять же, все есть в стандартной библиотеке, иди читай туториал
[10:39:05] Муркт: Typhon: в питоне есть zipfile в стандартной
[10:39:19] nuetrum: а ссылка есьт? желательно на руском
[10:39:20] Typhon: Муркт: тем более :)
[10:39:22] Typhon: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
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[10:39:36] Rush (Tonop) Online: Typhon, это на русском, да :)
[10:39:44] Typhon: http://ru.diveintopython.org/toc.html
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[10:39:57] Typhon: Rush (Tonop) Online: я до коммента про русский отправил :)
[10:40:09] nuetrum: во спасиба)
[10:40:24] Typhon: !wtf желательнонарусском
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[10:52:12] _lorien: а вот раньше были на джангопрожекте примеры работы с orm, разные там выборки рассматривались, не могу найти почему-то (
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[10:52:22] _lorien: хорошие такие примеры, в виде python-сессий
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[10:54:52] Муркт: _lorien: тесты?
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[11:02:38] _lorien: ага, вроде оно
[11:03:07] Муркт: :)
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[11:11:43] Муркт: > Antoine Pitrou's "newgil" work lands in py3k branch.
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[11:11:45] Муркт: кул
[11:11:47] _lorien: в ff3.6 новая таба при клике по средней кнопке появляется непосредственно справа от текущей, до меня только через сутки дошло, почему всё так странно работает )
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[11:13:29] Муркт: _lorien: наверное, это настраивается каким-нибудь образом через about:config
[11:13:48] _lorien: наверное, но мне не труднобудет привыкнуть, думаю
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[12:12:05] Izvr: всем привет
[12:12:31] Izvr: как можно отследить при редиректе откуда осуществлен редирект
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[12:14:11] nmk: реф?
[12:14:14] Typhon: Izvr: посмотреть в адресной строке, куда попал
[12:14:17] Typhon: ;)
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[12:14:42] Большой Лис: Izvr, записать в сессию, что сейчас отсюда будет произведёт редирект
[12:14:55] Большой Лис: если редирект не с твоего сайта, то только реф остаётся
[12:15:22] Izvr: нет
[12:15:31] Izvr: просто документацию читать не умею
[12:15:49] Typhon: ой, там _откуда_,а не _куда_, простите :)
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[12:51:41] tilarids: /me только что прочитал про то, как подошли к multi-db в джанго
[12:51:44] tilarids: наконец-то!
[12:52:07] tilarids: можно праздновать
[12:52:27] nmk: где прочитал?
[12:52:46] Большой Лис: это вроде SoC проект был
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[12:58:06] tilarids: nmk: http://lazypython.blogspot.com/2009/11/state-of-multidb-in-django.html
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[12:58:21] tilarids: они еще и затеяли рефакторинг Query
[12:58:32] nmk: спасибо
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[12:58:42] tilarids: чтобы было правильней писать не SQL бэкенды
[12:58:49] tilarids: вот это можно праздновать :)
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[13:15:28] _lorien: а какие ещё фишки есть у _underscore_имён, кроме того, что они не импортируются по from foo import *
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[13:15:52] xa4a: э.. в пхп нет аналога list.pop(i) ? который бы сдвигал массив?
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[13:16:39] _lorien: в пхп есть
[13:16:42] _lorien: array_splice
[13:16:52] xa4a: угу, спс.
[13:17:09] xa4a: теперь надо написать ":-[ ошибся окошком"
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[13:17:45] _lorien: ошибся окошом - убей себя об стену
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[13:24:26] xa4a: а, unset($arr[$i])
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[14:18:52] mishok13: тут есть желающие за 10к грн на джанге писать аппликухи для всяких соц-сетей?
[14:18:59] mishok13: киев, есичо
[14:19:34] slav0nic: локально?)
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[14:19:48] mishok13: офис, насколько я понял
[14:20:03] xa4a: mishok13: фултайм?
[14:20:06] mishok13: угумс
[14:20:09] nmk: firefox 3.6 то реально быстрее работает у меня.
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[14:23:07] mishok13: на go уже кто-то написал веб-сервер который переплюнет нгинкс?
[14:23:18] mishok13: а то сутки а на реддите до сих пор не было еще такого
[14:23:32] sevenov: ололо
[14:23:55] огыешсук: /me не понимает чего хорошего в этих гугловских go и яховских yo
[14:24:27] Typhon: пока только рэйтрейсер :)
[14:24:32] mishok13: yo?
[14:24:37] mishok13: ты про YQL?
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[14:28:28] огыешсук: http://domaingang.com/stories-and-manuals/yahoo-launches-new-programming-language-yo/
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[14:35:27] mishok13: даже как-то несмешно :/
[14:36:01] wonderfulll is now online
[14:36:32] Большой Лис: :D
[14:36:47] sevenov: mishok13, а Лису смешно :)
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[14:37:12] sevenov: Yo - язык для нигеров.
[14:37:14] Большой Лис: мне смешно с того как мишку не смешно
[14:37:24] Большой Лис: %)
[14:37:30] огыешсук: google go тоже не смешно :o(
[14:37:30] sevenov: Большой Лис, ты злоооой.
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[14:38:07] sevenov: Теперь не только Jungle wa itsumo Hale nochii Google, теперь еще и Jungle wa itsumo Hale nochii Yahoo.
[14:38:08] _lorien: теперь яндексу надо выпустить язык iob
[14:38:19] sevenov: почему iob?
[14:38:30] _lorien: потому что программирование это ебля
[14:38:40] _lorien: iobla
[14:39:14] sevenov: eblog?
[14:39:22] Большой Лис: eblo.g
[14:39:41] erraen is now online
[14:40:14] _lorien: yablo
[14:40:50] mishok13: go и не собирался быть смешным
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[14:41:23] Большой Лис: “YO! For realz my developa! We try to bring yo azz the shiniz of all dev shiz”.
бгг
риальне, ниггеры отаке
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[14:43:36] sevenov: нужно ждать я++, mailskell, orambl
[14:43:56] Большой Лис: obaml
[14:44:05] sevenov: :D
[14:44:27] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (и m# от microsoft)
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[14:45:13] sevenov: огыешсук, f#, c# есть. Зачем еще-то?
[14:45:30] огыешсук: вот-вот, паскаль есть, питон есть, зачем go?
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[14:45:49] Большой Лис: жаба!
[14:45:54] огыешсук: s/паскаль/ада
[14:45:55] Большой Лис: оно похоже на жабу
[14:45:58] _lorien: go устареет через пару лет и выпустят goo
[14:46:01] wonderfulll is now online
[14:46:03] Большой Лис: и на паскакаль
[14:46:17] sevenov: _lorien, goo - страшно же.
[14:46:31] sevenov: смотрел Jungle wa itsumo Hale nochii Goo?
[14:46:34] sevenov: веществаа
[14:46:47] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (если есть язык go, то где язык ches?)
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[14:47:33] огыешсук: s/ches/chess
[14:47:53] _lorien: тоже что ли язык сделать
[14:48:21] mishok13: нюню
[14:48:32] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (обычно начинают с того, чтобы написать свою операционную систему, потом пишут свой язык программирования, заканчивают же обычно на)
[14:48:44] Typhon: http://createyourproglang.com/
[14:49:15] mishok13: заканчивают обычно на имаксе
[14:49:43] erraen is now online
[14:50:05] mishok13: хм...
[14:50:12] mishok13: Typhon, ты зачем такие ссылки бросаешь?
[14:50:17] sevenov: >I love this book! It helped me create my own Awesome-to-PHP compiler.
:D
[14:50:21] mishok13: лорьен же может и загореться идеей
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[14:50:37] _lorien: вряд ли, это ж надо жизнь посвятить )
[14:50:40] Typhon: ну будет yet another toy lang и чо? :)
[14:50:45] Typhon: мало чтоли их
[14:50:46] _lorien: а мне обычно через пару дней надоедает
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[14:50:58] mishok13: жизнь?
[14:51:00] wonderfulll is now online
[14:51:04] _lorien: ну да
[14:51:05] mishok13: та ладно, гослинг вон 4 года потратил
[14:51:06] Typhon: недавно пи был, тепер го, будет ЛорЛанг
[14:51:07] mishok13: и всё
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[14:51:14] mishok13: на пи не гнать
[14:51:18] mishok13: пи вымывает мозг
[14:51:19] Typhon: :)
[14:51:31] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (от питона даже винда дохнет: http://praetorianprefect.com/archives/2009/11/how-to-crash-windows-7-and-server-2008/)
[14:51:31] _lorien: нет, ну шобы он мир завоевал надо же ещё
[14:51:35] Typhon: там пи-калькулюс или просто так пи?
[14:51:48] mishok13: к пи-калькулус не имеет отношения
[14:52:14] Typhon: а в чем фича, если вкратце?
[14:52:16] mishok13: там надо строить программы основываясь на алгебраических шаблонах
[14:52:35] mishok13: _lorien, ну так а гослинг чо сделал
[14:52:39] mishok13: джаву наваял
[14:52:44] mishok13: весь мир у ног джавы
[14:52:58] _lorien: да, гм, ну да, надо подумать
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[14:54:47] _lorien: php++ :D
[14:55:05] _lorien: а чо идея ))
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[14:55:45] slav0nic: с блоками через отступы В)
[14:55:53] Большой Лис: pyph
[14:56:00] Большой Лис: pyhp
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[14:56:23] Typhon: mishok13, π: для каждой программы свой синтаксис? (пейпер пока не читал, пробежал глазами, могу гнать :) )
[14:57:56] mishok13: ооо
[14:58:19] mishok13: а вот и первый веб-сервер на go
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[14:58:41] slav0nic: сцылку
[14:58:46] mishok13: http://timyang.net/programming/c-erlang-java-performance/
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[14:59:37] slav0nic: го слил?)
[14:59:41] mishok13: нет
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[14:59:53] mishok13: скорее также как и эрланг показал умение масштабироваться
[14:59:56] mishok13: :)
[15:00:43] slav0nic: )
[15:00:50] mishok13: горутины пока посасывают у эрланга
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[15:01:17] slav0nic: чёт джава сильно быстрая
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[15:01:50] Typhon: что-то у го результаты от количества тредов не зависят. кстати там gc пока с остановками, но вроде собираются менять
[15:01:59] 0lejka is now I'm not here right now
[15:02:22] mishok13: чото я думаю го быстрее эрланга не будет
[15:02:52] _lorien: http://pyha.ru/forum/topic/3559.0
ааа, python опасносте
[15:02:55] mishok13: хотя идеи интересные в языке есть, но непонятна цель когда есть эрланг :/
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[15:04:12] mishok13: ыхххыыхы
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[15:04:18] mishok13: магента, сатчмо
[15:04:23] mishok13: что это?
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[15:06:13] _lorien: магента - это магазин на пыхе, сатчмо - это магазин на питоне :)
[15:06:26] _lorien: про магенту вроде на dou писали недавно
[15:06:37] _lorien: шо там команда разработчиков из украины и шо они бабос гребут )
[15:06:56] mishok13: тада
[15:07:02] mishok13: я вчера читал и прозревал
[15:07:09] Большой Лис: скиньте сцылку
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[15:07:23] mishok13: магазин бля на двух почти топовых серверах за 8999 баксов адпизды какойто
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[15:07:34] mishok13: ну и мускуль это ок по-любому
[15:07:40] _lorien: http://www.developers.org.ua/archives/max/2009/11/11/varien-magento-interview/
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[15:08:37] mishok13: """Владеют компанией только американцы. Наша мотивация — зарплата."""
[15:08:43] mishok13: ключевая мысль я считаю
[15:08:57] _lorien: хех
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[15:09:50] mishok13: ХУЯЧЬ КОД @ СТРИГИ БАБЛО
[15:09:55] _lorien: и Magento является хорошим примером высокоуровневого приложения на PHP.
[15:09:59] slav0nic: никто не пытался wsgi апу присобачить к джанге? я так понимаю вариант только 1 - через мидлварь (wsgiшную)
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[15:10:34] _lorien: slav0nic, хмхм, ну можно вьюшку написать... а она будет вызывать wsgi аппу :)
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[15:12:03] mishok13: я так понял в магенто очень радуются что оно многопоточное
[15:12:10] kwis: http://djangohosting.com.ua/ может все-таки кого заинтересует... оставляем заявочки)) хотелось бы узнать что народ от такого проекта хочет
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[15:13:05] slav0nic: kwis, шары
[15:13:08] огыешсук: ШАРЕД НЕ КАТЕТ
[15:13:18] _lorien: не, ну почему бы и нет )
[15:13:22] slav0nic: я в плане халявы народ хочет)
[15:13:23] _lorien: шо-нить простое захостить
[15:13:34] огыешсук: для простого есть webfaction
[15:13:36] slav0nic: для простого есть апп енджайн)
[15:13:42] slav0nic: дорого
[15:14:02] Большой Лис: mishok13, пхп многопоточное?!
[15:14:12] mishok13: ну я ебу, я его не трогал никогда
[15:14:14] mishok13: :)
[15:14:20] Большой Лис: в смысле скрипт на хыхыпы
[15:14:24] red-agent: Нет.
[15:14:25] Большой Лис: пнятно
[15:14:33] red-agent: В пхп нету трединга или чего-то такого.
[15:14:33] mishok13: но вот они там пальцы в стороны что оно многопоточнее
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[15:14:50] Большой Лис: mishok13, в интерью?
[15:14:58] Большой Лис: ща почитаю, хыхыпы %)
[15:15:01] _lorien: ну запустили тыщу воркеров, вот и многопоточное )
[15:15:04] Большой Лис: http://pyha.ru/forum/topic/3559.msg73221#msg73221
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[15:15:10] feedbot: MacBook Multitouch - in Python http://is.gd/4TliO (www.reddit.com)
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[15:15:14] Большой Лис: этот чел ваще
[15:15:16] sevenov: Интересно, почему гаджим red-agent'а всегда красным хайлайтит?
[15:15:18] mishok13: в комментах
[15:15:26] Большой Лис: >теперь мне похуй, деньги платят и все заебцом, а то что оно тормозит это не моя забота.
[15:15:26] _lorien: у меня коричневый он )
[15:15:33] _lorien: или оранжевый, не знаю
[15:15:45] red-agent: sevenov, Не бойся, я туда ничего не зашивал.
[15:15:47] _lorien: sevenov, а вот ты как раз красный
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[15:15:49] mishok13: Большой Лис, классно да?
[15:15:50] red-agent: Хотя идея прикольная...
[15:15:59] mishok13: цена за энтерпрайз -- 8999 баксов
[15:16:01] sevenov: _lorien, а ты розовый :)
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[15:16:17] Большой Лис: mishok13, стандарная модель разработки для ынтырпрайза, насколько я понимаю
[15:16:22] _lorien: отлично
[15:16:54] mishok13: я так понял, что это стандартная модель для похапэ, жава и сешарп аутсорсеров
[15:17:12] _lorien: kwis, так что, нашлись желающие? )
[15:17:52] kwis: _lorien, кроме вас нет никого)))
[15:17:55] sevenov: mishok13, быстро работающий тырпрайз - не тырпрайз.
[15:18:00] kwis: два дня как проект запущен
[15:18:05] mishok13: /me плакает теперь
[15:18:09] kwis: еще посетителей толком небыло
[15:18:50] kwis: шарового никто скорей всего делать не будет потому как хочется на этом поиметь хоть какие-то деньги
[15:19:26] _lorien: kwis, нет, я вовсе не желающий, у меня есть уютненькая vds, я там и шаманю :)
[15:19:30] mishok13: ну тогда вам надо активно пиариться
[15:19:42] _lorien: хабр ftw
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[15:19:48] mishok13: нуда
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[15:20:05] kwis: mishok13, согласен, будемс стараца
[15:20:14] Большой Лис: >и Magento является хорошим примером высокоуровневого приложения на PHP.
[15:20:15] _lorien: Первый Django-only WSGI хостинг! НЛО нас любит1
[15:20:16] Большой Лис: /me прослезился
[15:20:25] _lorien: Большой Лис, баян :)
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[15:22:25] _lorien: junior PHP в общем понимании это «человек, который слышал про PHP»
[15:22:44] mishok13: пиздец
[15:23:04] Большой Лис: >Проблема с поддержкой в Open source в том, что люди склонны покупать поддержку только тогда, когда они в ней нуждаются.
привет капитану
[15:24:32] Большой Лис: >Цена составляет $8900 за каждый production сервер, в год. Плюс development лицензия стоит $2225. Клиенту нужна минимум одна production и development лицензия.
О_О
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[15:28:00] Большой Лис: пойду скачаю
[15:28:03] Большой Лис: аж интересно стало
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[15:28:12] Большой Лис: только презик на голову надену
[15:28:23] огыешсук: вах, даже двух килобаксов не пожалеешь?
[15:29:16] Большой Лис: так я опенсорсную версию скачаю
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[15:32:10] mishok13: 11 штук в интернет-магазин сходу вложить это круто, да
[15:33:03] Большой Лис: и главное находятся же такие уникумы
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[15:35:38] Typhon: "Нафига 1000000000 файлов, чтобы охуеть разработчику?)"
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[15:36:00] Typhon: это точно так принято, я так понял. битрикс: \www\bitrix\templates\main\components\bitrix\catalog\products\bitrix\catalog.compare.list\.default
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[15:36:48] Большой Лис:
$ find | grep -v \.svn | wc -l
11789
[15:36:49] sevenov: БЭКСЛЭШ!!!!!!
[15:37:04] Большой Лис: чекаут стабильного релиза
[15:37:31] sevenov: а я глянул в браузере в репу, охуел и закрыл таб.
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[15:38:32] _lorien: может они специально файлы именуют с '*.svn*' :D
[15:39:07] Большой Лис: _lorien, спецально для тебя сделаю export
[15:39:08] Большой Лис: ;)
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[15:40:19] Большой Лис:
[kron@desktop:~/REPOS/magento_1.3]$ find | grep -v \.svn | wc -l
11789
[kron@desktop:~/REPOS/magento_1.3]$ svn export . ../mag13
Export complete.
[kron@desktop:~/REPOS/magento_1.3]$ cd ../mag13/
[kron@desktop:~/REPOS/mag13]$ find | wc -l
11789
[kron@desktop:~/REPOS/mag13]$
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[15:41:08] _lorien: кто-то спиздил 999988211 файлов :)
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[15:41:21] _lorien: наверное, остальное в коммерческой версии :o)
[15:42:06] _lorien: Большой Лис, поделись адресом откуда checkout сделать :)
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[15:42:36] Большой Лис:
[kron@desktop:~/REPOS/rails(2-3-stable)]$ find | grep -v \.git | wc -l
2218
[15:43:01] Большой Лис: _lorien, http://svn.magentocommerce.com/source/branches/1.3
[15:43:10] Typhon: Большой Лис: у тебя не энтерпрайз
[15:43:18] Большой Лис: Редакция последнего изменения: 49833
[15:43:21] Большой Лис: ого
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[15:44:41] Большой Лис:
А тестирование, есть у вас модульное, функциональное, как процесс разработки построен? Agile может?
Мы не используем agile, хотя, в принципе, наш процесс довольно похож на agile.
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[15:44:48] Большой Лис: т.е. нет никакого тестирования
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[15:45:07] Большой Лис: щит за $10К, не тестированный, бгг
[15:45:54] tilarids: Большой Лис: завидно, да?
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[15:46:05] Большой Лис: ДААА
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[15:46:07] tilarids: я вот завидую, я не умею за такие бабки щит продавать :)
[15:46:41] Большой Лис:
[kron@kron-desktop:~/REPOS/django]$ find | grep -v \.svn | wc -l
2576
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[15:47:06] _lorien: lorien@lorien:/tmp$ sr fuck --php
1.3/lib/PEAR/HTTP/Request.php
710: // magic quotes may fuck up file uploads and chunked response processing

эх, не нашлось ничо интересного :)
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[15:53:38] sevenov: Оу. http://xscript.opensource.yandex.net/browser/trunk
[15:54:16] Rush (Tonop) Online: >Есть ли какие-нибудь материалы на русском для самого начала понимания Magento? Насколько я понял Magento обладает очень большой функциональностью.
Но, похоже, это все что мне удалось понять.
Ставил магазин от Тестоедова на хостинг и даже пробовал торговать по схеме drop ship.
[15:54:18] dicos: Чем отличаются re.search от re.match. В документации не смог найти различия. http://docs.python.org/library/re.html#re.search
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[15:54:35] Rush (Tonop) Online: научите меня торговать по системе drop shit
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[15:55:18] _lorien: dicos, re.search('^a') = re.match('a')
[15:55:19] Большой Лис:
Учите английский и забудьте недоношенные проекты сделанные в странах соцлагеря!
Тут только антивирусы умеют делать – и то потому что вирусы сами и пишем.
[15:55:23] Большой Лис: хыыы
[15:55:35] red-agent: dicos, В таком случае -- стоит обратится к офтальмологу.
[15:55:41] dicos: спасибо, понял
[15:55:42] red-agent: В документации ясно написано, в чем отличие.
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[15:56:03] red-agent: match пытается сметчить всю строку, к котороый ты его применяешь целиком.
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[15:56:11] Rush (Tonop) Online: dicos:
--- re.search 2009-11-12 16:55:30.614475759 +0300
+++ re.match 2009-11-12 16:55:38.090475590 +0300
@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
-re.search(pattern, string[, flags])¶
- Scan through string looking for a location where the regular expression pattern produces a match, and return a corresponding MatchObject instance. Return None if no position in the string matches the pattern; note that this is different from finding a zero-length match at some point in the string.
+re.match(pattern, string[, flags])¶
+
+ If zero or more characters at the beginning of string match the regular expression pattern, return a corresponding MatchObject instance. Return None if the string does not match the pattern; note that this is different from a zero-length match.
[15:56:20] Typhon: Rush (Tonop) Online: !!!11!
[15:56:21] red-agent: А search ищет в строке подстроку, которая бы matchилась твои регэкспом.
[15:56:44] red-agent: Rush (Tonop) Online, Это... Пацанчег, ты с какого району?
[15:56:54] Rush (Tonop) Online: red-agent, с западного
[15:56:56] _lorien: не всю, начало только, насколько я помню
[15:57:43] red-agent: Ну если ты ему сунешь ^$ -- то всю.
[15:58:02] red-agent: Или вернее, \A\Z, т.к. первые работают иначе в случае M
[15:58:25] Rush (Tonop) Online: как следует из названия, search для поиска подстроки, match для проверки соответствия
[15:59:25] Rush (Tonop) Online: лучше подскажите - кто нибудь поборол freetds odbc на предмет HY004 ?
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[15:59:38] Rush (Tonop) Online: pyodbc и pymssql не помогают
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[16:00:01] red-agent: Я не думаю, что тут кто-либо достаточно невменяем, чтобы юзать odbc.
[16:00:18] Rush (Tonop) Online: ваши предложения, о вменяемый ?
[16:00:22] red-agent: Даже я его не юзаю. А я пишу на C# (на Mono, правда), время от времени...
[16:00:32] red-agent: Rush (Tonop) Online, Не использовать odbc?
[16:00:41] Rush (Tonop) Online: может быть мне на сокетах к базе обращение написать ?
[16:01:04] red-agent: SA, к примеру уже отменили?
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[16:01:24] Rush (Tonop) Online: не говорите глупостей, SA это не драйвер БД
[16:01:39] Большой Лис:
Вона працює
Вона – це Мадженто
[16:01:40] Большой Лис: ыыы
[16:01:43] red-agent: Как и ODBC.
[16:01:47] Rush (Tonop) Online: впрочем как и ODBC
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[16:04:39] Rush (Tonop) Online: ну и если ты не в курсе, автор SA рекомендует использовать именно pyodbc для соединения с mssql
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[16:05:22] Rush (Tonop) Online: упростим вопрос - кто нибудь победил юникод в запросах к MSsql ?
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[16:05:44] red-agent: А использовать нормальную базу -- не судьба?
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[16:06:02] Rush (Tonop) Online: red-agent: раз я спрашиваю, значит не судьба, верно ?
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[16:06:21] red-agent: Мало ли.
[16:06:40] 0lejka: атмосфера дружбы накаляется
[16:06:40] Rush (Tonop) Online: ну я бы посмотрел на этого извращенца
[16:06:42] red-agent: В любом случае -- "спрашивать" мало. Откуда мы знаем какие у тея там проблемы с юникодом?
[16:06:50] Rush (Tonop) Online: кто сталкивался - знает
[16:06:50] red-agent: *тебя
[16:07:22] _lorien: Rush (Tonop) Online, тут принято восхвалять postgres и обижать m(y|s)sql :-)
[16:07:24] Rush (Tonop) Online: кто не сталкивался - ничем не смодет помочь (кроме провокационных восклицаний про odbc и нормальную базу)
[16:07:52] tilarids: Rush (Tonop) Online: отправляйся на фриноду
[16:08:03] slav0nic: Rush (Tonop) Online, может проблема в одбс? кодировка прописана?
[16:08:19] Typhon: Rush (Tonop) Online: ustr.encode('cp-1251') ?
[16:08:26] sevenov: Rush (Tonop) Online, по моему, ты хуй.
[16:08:45] red-agent: Typhon, Там UCS2
[16:08:52] red-agent: Как и все остальное у ms.
[16:08:53] Rush (Tonop) Online: _lorien, с удовольствием этим и занимаюсь
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[16:09:18] Typhon: во всяком случае у нас тут есть база mssql, хранит в цп1251, нужно из постгре синхронизироваться с ней, для этого просто енкодится и швыряется :)
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[16:11:06] Typhon: хм, может напутал что-то :( попозже гляну.
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[16:11:25] red-agent: odbc отдает в ucs2
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[16:15:05] Typhon: это не знаю, у нас из mssql ничего не забирается вроде, только кладется туда.
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[16:16:20] red-agent: У меня был не большой садистский опыт с ODBC.
[16:16:24] red-agent: Больше не хочу.
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[16:38:56] _lorien: http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9
баян наверное, но запощу )
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[17:06:53] _lorien: http://djangohosting.com.ua/ - жестокая форма, если не заполнить или частично заполнить и отправить - никакой реакции
[17:07:21] _lorien: http://djangohosting.com.ua/admin/ lol
[17:08:14] tilarids: при этом дев-сервер должен работать нормально
[17:08:21] tilarids: kwis: ^
[17:09:09] kwis: _lorien, ща посотрим
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[17:09:51] kwis: tilarids, спасибо за то что обратился, а то я так бы и не заметил
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[17:11:23] kwis: _lorien, валидацию забыли на jQuery прикрутить...
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[17:12:06] _lorien: PostgeSQL :D
[17:13:04] _lorien: самый максимальный :D
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[17:15:10] feedbot: script that installs and configures w2p+apache+ssl+mod_wsgi+postgresql on Ubuntu. From zero to production in 5 seconds. http://is.gd/4TpzO (www.reddit.com)
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[17:15:31] mishok13: ну прям таки за 5 секунд, хехе
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[17:22:29] mishok13: ох уж этот web2py
[17:22:45] mishok13: It will: - apt-get everything you need - create /home/www-data/web2py - start a local web2py copy on port 8123 to ssh into its admin interface - create a self signed certificate - write /var/apache2/sites-available/default configured to use the certificate and mod_wsgi with web2py - restart apache and postgresql
[17:22:49] mishok13: за 5 секунд, ага
[17:23:17] mishok13: что мешало deb пакет сваять
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[17:30:28] _lorien: на javascript@cjr спиздили субж, вернее часть его "Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! "
[17:30:50] mishok13: это полезная практика
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[17:36:38] _lorien: фу, sevenov на php@cjr сидит :D
[17:37:49] sevenov: _lorien, там вкусно.
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[17:38:17] Муркт: я бы сказал - "тебе что, нечем заняться?", если бы мне самому было чем заняться
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[17:38:29] Муркт: *если бы мне ещё и хотелось чем-нибудь заняться
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[17:41:06] mishok13: а ну работать марш! :)
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[17:42:06] _lorien: как демотивирующе звучит :)
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[17:50:29] bobry: ужас какой http://www.jango.com/
[17:50:34] bobry: еще и написано на rails
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[18:22:31] sevenov: >"еще и написано на rails"
Ололо, джангоговноеды не осилили рор?
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[18:36:14] огыешсук: можно ли заставить urllib2 работать по http 1.0?
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[18:41:13] _lorien: bombadill: привет всем
bombadill: кто-нибудь имел дело с поделиями от turnkey? joomla, wordpress, django и т .п. не могу через браузер зайти... :(
_lorien: django? o_O
greevex: я тоже че т не понял)
bombadill: минисервера - устанавливаются через virtualbox...
bombadill: эмуляция типа denver'а...
_lorien: django это который веб-фреймворк на python или что-то другое?
bombadill: _lorien: да, оно...
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[18:41:57] red-agent: При чем тут одно ко второму и к третьему?
[18:42:06] red-agent: И какие нахер "минисервера"?
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[18:43:14] _lorien: зогадочный мир php
[18:44:12] red-agent: Угу, палата для душевнобольных бля.
[18:44:18] red-agent: И слабоумных.
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[18:47:12] _lorien: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ вот он про что, оказывается )
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[19:51:40] : xa4a установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me | Ещё рано использовать py3k
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[20:05:27] _lorien: у меня кто-то украл и первое и второе
[20:05:30] _lorien: только снег не тронул
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[21:22:59] mishok13: ya dawg, i herd you like supervisord so i put supervisord into your supervisord so you can monitor processes while you monitor processes
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