[00:00:03] Муркт: не будь слишком умным! =)
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[00:00:45] RaD: о! так работает, а обратно? :)
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[00:00:53] Муркт: а обратно - никак.
[00:01:06] RaD: мля, а в чём тогда смысл :)
[00:01:30] Муркт: огыешсук: опенофис (150 мегов), ghc (80 мегов), jdk (60), emacs (40), mono (37), kernel (36), jre (34), qt (28), mysql (27)
[00:01:49] Муркт: это самые крупные пакеты, ls -S
[00:01:52] Муркт: |head
[00:02:03] Муркт: RaD: не знаю. Про десериализацию ты сначала ничего не говорил :))
[00:02:23] Муркт: RaD: а зачем оно тебе надо?
[00:02:36] RaD: говорил, про прокидывание объекта через DnD
[00:02:48] RaD: pyqt, dnd, собственный объект
[00:03:26] Муркт: хз что ета
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[00:03:49] RaD: интерфейс на qt, надо сделать драг-н-дроп объектов
[00:05:22] RaD: могу мегакод показать
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[00:06:37] Муркт: да не, я всё равно в кутэ нибумбум
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[00:07:08] RaD: не могу питонский объект засериализовать и пипец, всё встало
[00:07:51] _lorien: так чо пикл то?
[00:08:00] RaD: там своё
[00:08:37] _lorien: а зачем сериализовать? Кладём в глобальное хранилище под ключом 777, передаём ключ, потом по ключу достаём
[00:08:40] RaD: cal_event - мой объект
itemData = QByteArray()
dataStream = QDataStream(itemData, QIODevice.WriteOnly)
dataStream << QVariant(cal_event)

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[00:08:45] _lorien: или я чё-то не понимаю
[00:08:50] RaD: мля! ты гений :)
[00:09:24] Муркт: класть можно даже по id()
[00:09:32] RaD: а я всё по примерам, тупо херачу, это всё из-за того, что днём релиз выкатывал, собирая на венде
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[00:31:39] _lorien: А кто тут делал магазины на джанго? )
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[00:32:30] _lorien: эээ, собсно, просто впечатления охото услышать
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[00:34:19] Муркт: услышивать впечатления в такое время суток? нуну :)
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[01:06:01] _lorien: у меня то уж ваще тут утро )
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[01:07:45] Муркт: та да
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[01:09:11] RaD: я делал - moiluch.ru
[01:09:25] RaD: в целом, на порядок проще чем на php
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[01:12:05] _lorien: RaD, на чём делал? Есть ли в каталоге товары с разным набором свойств? Как ты решал эту проблему?
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[01:12:37] RaD: на джанго
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[01:13:10] RaD: делал базовую модель, типа цена вес размер и кучу инлайнов с уникальными характеристиками товара
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[01:14:03] RaD: единственное, что не смог победить, это отображение только нужных инлайнов для выделенного товара определённой категории на админке
[01:14:17] _lorien: гмгм
[01:14:38] _lorien: да, это ужасно в моём случае будет )
[01:14:51] _lorien: магазин бытовой техники, у каждого типа совсем разные свойства )
[01:15:20] _lorien: RaD, а тыщупал satchmo или django-lfs? Почему решил юзать просто джангу?
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[01:16:28] RaD: не щупал, решил потому что реально проще чем всё остальное
[01:16:39] RaD: смотрел lfs - бедное оно
[01:17:14] RaD: на каждый тип по одному инлайну, остаётся только победить админку, остальное фигня
[01:17:25] RaD: а в своей админке такое вообще на раз делается
[01:17:36] _lorien: я вот тоже подумываю с нуля написать
[01:17:55] RaD: http://cargo.caml.ru/shop - первая попытка написания магазина
[01:18:47] RaD: как раз твой вариант, но там никаких инлайнов, всё тупо текстов в дескрипшене товара, с поиском полный швах, а в луче - там поиск хитрый, он подсовывает поля в соответствии с выбранным типом товара, всё строится автоматом ибо метаклассы рулят :)
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[01:20:01] _lorien: Good --fk--> Type
Type <--m2m--> Property (в случае вариантов <--m2m--> Choice)
Type <--m2m--> Category
Category --fk--> Category
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[01:20:17] _lorien: Нет, у меня не тупо текстом, у меня должен быть поиск и сравнение по любому полю ;-)
[01:20:25] _lorien: и возможность создавать новые типы товаров )
[01:20:31] _lorien: без участия программиста
[01:20:34] RaD: у меня такое есть
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[01:21:00] RaD: кроме создания нового типа, у меня надо класс описывать
[01:21:21] _lorien: Ну вот, а у меня вместо класса модель Type, насколько я понимаю
[01:21:30] RaD: я решил это не дорабатывать - это помогает объяснять зачем нужна поддержка :)
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[01:21:57] RaD: ты прикидываешь как это в стандартной админке делать, охренеешь
[01:22:09] _lorien: прикидываю, форма будет строится динамически :)
[01:22:15] RaD: я про Type <--m2m--> Property (в случае вариантов <--m2m--> Choice)
[01:22:20] _lorien: дада )
[01:22:54] _lorien: def __nit__(..):
for prop in self.properties.all():
self.fields.append(build_form_field(prop))
как-то так :)
[01:23:16] RaD: сделаешь - покажешь :)
[01:23:27] _lorien: лады
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[01:25:37] _lorien: Type --fk--> Property (в случае вариантов <--m2m--> Choice)
даже так наверное, чтобы меньше путаницы было :)
[01:25:46] _lorien: ой, не та
[01:25:58] _lorien: Type <--fk-- Property (в случае вариантов <--m2m--> Choice)
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[01:26:28] _lorien: ибо сравнивать и искать всё равно надо только в пределах одной категории
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[01:34:48] RaD: чёрт, опять днд сломал
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[01:50:07] _lorien: gui не нужен :D
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[01:52:43] RaD: в этом проекте нужен
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[01:58:12] RaD: запобедил днд
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[02:00:01] _lorien: Коли в днк ошибки нету
Обретёшь над днд победу
[02:00:52] _lorien: Трусам не ведома радость победы
Над днд и прочем гуйным бредом
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[02:01:27] RaD: если учесть, что я с ним впервые сталкиваюсь, хотя проги ваяю с 1992 года :)
[02:01:57] _lorien: мдя, я в 91 в школу пошёл тока вроде )
[02:02:03] _lorien: хотя не понмю уж )
[02:02:07] RaD: меня в 92 из неё выгнали :)
[02:02:12] RaD: отлично помню
[02:02:38] _lorien: я помню меня выгнали из вуза в году этак 2004 :)
[02:02:51] RaD: я закончил в 2001 :)
[02:03:06] _lorien: а меня именно выгнали, за то что я не ходил )
[02:03:25] _lorien: вот, 2001 я помню
[02:03:32] _lorien: я закончил школу и пошёл в универ )
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[02:06:00] RaD: что-то навертел и плюсик при днд перестал появляться
[02:06:03] RaD: зато передача инфы об объекте заработала
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[03:12:08] _lorien: http://www.picamatic.com/show/2009/11/13/07/42/5889806_640x400.jpg
:D
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[09:56:02] wiz_: http://zotonic.com/ - джанга больше не нужна?
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[10:02:20] sevenov: wiz_, дык зотоник - cms по большей части.
[10:02:22] sevenov: как друпал
[10:02:37] sevenov: а вот чикагобосс да, джанга не нужна
[10:02:56] sevenov: в любом случае, клепать сайтики на ерлаге - моветон.
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[10:06:43] wiz_: why?
[10:07:53] wiz_: "rails idioms" уже страшно
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[10:14:53] sevenov: >[11:06:00 AM] wiz_: why?
Обычно морда делается на "обычном" яп типа руби, пистона и даже пхп, а для критических вещей (представить не могу) серверу на эрланг отправляется евент, через rpc например, возвращается результат и вуаля.

Какие могут быть критические вещи я совершенно ниибу, так как мат. вычисления быстрее выполняются в той же жабе. Эрланг разрабатывался для нужд, а не для толпы гиков, поэтому он слишком специфичный и есть достаточно моментов, в которых он сливает жабе. Опять же, та жа математика.
[10:15:44] wiz_: сайты же. какая математика?
[10:15:46] wiz_: c10k of doom и всё такое
[10:17:34] sevenov: wiz_, вот, сайты, да. А что обычно бывает узким горлышком? Правильно, база.
[10:18:37] wiz_: ну вон чбосс же закинулись в TT
[10:18:47] sevenov: wiz_, 5 фронтэнд балансировщиков, и 20 бэкэндов -> все работает о_О
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[10:20:20] wiz_: вот только мочивеб работает сравнимо с nginx-ом, а джанга нет. больше рпс -> меньше железа
[10:20:50] wiz_: да, на GDD была хорошая гипножаба (8
[10:21:42] sevenov: > мочивеб работает сравнимо с nginx-ом, а джанга нет.
Ололо
[10:22:13] sevenov: Ну да, самолёт быстрее корабля.
[10:22:19] wiz_: /me ещё не проснулся и пишет всякую хню
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[10:22:24] sevenov: :-))
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[10:44:28] sevenov: Я чота не понял. А что, джанговский get_object_or_404 не делает select_related?
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[10:45:47] sevenov: а, похоже ему нужно сказать Model.objects.select_related(), **kwargs
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[10:49:39] wiz: а что, можно делать .select_related().get() и всё внутри там будет? O_o
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[10:58:49] sevenov: Ну в коде вот так:

queryset = _get_queryset(klass)
try:
return queryset.get(*args, **kwargs)
except:
...
[10:59:33] sevenov: хуй знает
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[11:37:02] Муркт: _lorien сегодня ночью пообкакивал тред про джангу на хабре
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[11:43:38] Большой Лис: http://zotonic.com/
[11:43:58] sevenov: Большой Лис, бояяяяян
[11:44:06] sevenov: Муркт, очередной поток школоло на хабре?
[11:44:16] Муркт: Большой Лис: сотоник!
[11:44:23] Муркт: небеса в огне, сотона во мне
[11:44:35] Муркт: sevenov: ну так
[11:44:36] Большой Лис: Муркт, о ужас, лориен богохульник! на костёр. сцылку кстати можно?
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[11:44:47] sevenov: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/75131/#comments
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[11:44:53] Муркт: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/75131/
[11:45:12] Муркт: Большой Лис: ну он за дело пообкакивал. Я ему плюсиков накидал кое-где
[11:46:43] Большой Лис: хехе...яп тоже апкакал. был бы у меня акк на швабре
[11:48:31] sevenov: я бы вообще засрал там все, если бы небыл забанен
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[11:51:57] Муркт: =))
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[11:52:01] Муркт: sevenov: а за что тебя?
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[11:52:50] sevenov: Муркт, хмхм. За то что sevenov? :)
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[11:53:14] sevenov: Да я нехорошо высказался в сторону ТМ в посте про их же проект - респектива.
[11:53:27] Муркт: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/copyright/75156/ ух
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[11:57:36] Муркт: Большой Лис: меня там больше умилили "питон" и "диджанго" в одном предложении
[11:58:00] Муркт: учитывая то, что на самом-то деле нужно говорить "пайтон" и "джанго"
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[12:01:26] Большой Лис: /me гроулит "рааааби, блйа" :D
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[12:04:19] Большой Лис: типо того, да
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[12:05:39] Большой Лис: /me мучается догадками, что ж всётаки такое "диджанго"?
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[13:33:58] Муркт: wiz: вообще-то вопрос насчёт Go, а не луа
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[17:07:26] _lorien: офигеть o_O
[17:07:40] _lorien: захожу в топик про джангу на хабре вчерашний - 121 непрочитанный каммент )
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[17:22:18] Муркт: _lorien: ы
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[17:25:39] Муркт: для меня 101
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[17:26:46] _lorien: а у меня потерялась инфа т.к. в мозилле влакди работать по другому стали и я не то закрыл ))
[17:26:55] Typhon: линк, пожалуйста
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[17:27:11] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/75131/
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[17:27:42] Typhon: спасибо )
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[17:30:00] Typhon: вылезли такие минусы:
1) IDE нормальных нету
вот у людей проблемы то
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[17:30:41] wiz: пусть попробуют wubi (:
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[17:32:03] sevenov: Typhon, убей этого чела, НАСРИ В КАМЕНТАХ!!! Скажи, что от севенова.
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[17:32:15] Typhon: у меня нет там аккаунта ^_^
[17:32:58] sevenov: значит не сри в каментах, чо.
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[17:36:16] _lorien: http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/django/75131/#comment_2179724
самоубийца :)
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[17:38:20] sevenov: это про асп.нет?
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[17:40:25] Муркт: там дебил один
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[17:43:26] sevenov: БЛЯ ТАКОГО ПОТОКА БРЕДА Я НЕ МОГУ ВИДЕТЬ!!! ААААА
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[17:44:35] unk2k: уттро.
есть путь до картинки str('/path/to/img.gif') мне нужно из этого сделать обьект с url и path (так же как models.ImageField(..)), вопрос как =)
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[17:55:00] sevenov: unk2k, ВНЕЗАПНО
class Pic(object):
def __init__(self, path):
self.path = path
self.url = FOO + path
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[17:56:27] unk2k: sevenov,
>>> q = Pic('/home/www/site/tra-la-la/static/images/img.gif')
>>> q.url
'/home/www/site/tra-la-la/static/images/img.gif'
[17:56:40] unk2k: :)
[17:56:59] sevenov: unk2k, ну я тебе чо, все писать буду? Кури доки же, ну.
[17:57:26] unk2k: sevenov так я сюда после них пришел, там собственно нечего нет =)
[17:57:41] unk2k: sevenov вернее есть, но все тупиково
[17:57:46] Typhon: заебали с "в доках ничего нет"
[17:57:56] unk2k: Typhon линк в студию =)
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[17:58:06] Typhon: unk2k, на доки? ;)
[17:58:07] unk2k: Typhon на хотя бы похожий ход решения
[17:58:08] sevenov: unk2k, отрезай "от" и "до" в пути и шевели мозгом.
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[17:58:42] unk2k: sevenov я хочу красивый способ
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[17:59:09] sevenov: unk2k, а, то есть мозгом красивое родить не получится?
[17:59:26] unk2k: sevenov угу =(
[17:59:32] sevenov: unk2k, плачевно, чо.
[17:59:36] unk2k: ))))
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[18:07:31] wiz: обмажусь ка и я...
[18:07:35] wiz: /me зашёл в хабратред
[18:08:11] sevenov: wiz, FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[18:08:21] wiz: хочется пятницы...
[18:09:50] sevenov: wiz, вчера была, а я пиво пию
[18:09:52] sevenov: пиууу
[18:09:59] wiz: один фиг кармы у меня нет ни на посты и на рейтинги )=
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[18:10:37] sevenov: wiz, СРИ В КАМЕНТАХ!
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[18:15:11] feedbot: PyCon 2010 talks announced http://is.gd/4UTrE (www.reddit.com)
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[18:18:05] wiz: > Distributed Programming with Pyro
оно ещё живо? O_o
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[18:21:48] mishok13: а ты думал
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[18:24:19] unk2k: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/files/file/
[18:24:52] unk2k: не пашет
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[18:25:31] _lorien: django ваще гавно, лучше ror юзать
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[18:25:51] mishok13: werkzeug на ваши головы
[18:25:59] sevenov: _lorien, ror ваще говно, лучше grails юзать.
[18:26:22] mishok13: каждый кулик...
[18:26:38] _lorien: joomla FTW
[18:26:46] sevenov: _lorien, joomla WTF!
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[18:27:04] mishok13: друпал, да?
[18:27:18] mishok13: Catalyst йобана, пацаны
[18:27:20] sevenov: и ваще, упоритесь со своими питонами и прочими пхп.
[18:27:24] mishok13: семки, пивко, перл
[18:27:32] sevenov: mishok13, пёрл
[18:27:40] sevenov: о, щас картинку про перл и пхп найду
[18:28:02] wiz: grails вообще говно лучше cboss юзать
[18:28:05] mishok13: "перл" от "перловая каша"
[18:28:07] sevenov: кагбэ боян, но все же. http://funkyimg.com/u2/326/748/1257454110306.jpg
[18:28:45] _lorien: :D
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[18:29:07] _lorien: до чего доводит perl :D
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[18:29:22] sevenov: wiz, cboss ваще говно, лучше pier.
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[18:29:39] sevenov: _lorien, линупсы тоже играют важную роль ;)
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[18:30:31] огыешсук: cboss это нечто вроде jboss`а? тада ой, /me с этой радостью работал, потом долго мыл руки
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[18:30:51] wiz: cboss это chicagoboss
[18:30:54] sevenov: огыешсук, это чикаго босс, рейлс идиомс + джанго лайк темплейтс.
[18:30:54] wiz: на эрланге
[18:31:04] wiz: а что за pier?
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[18:31:25] sevenov: wiz, Smalltalk. Написано на Pharo.
[18:31:40] wiz: а
[18:31:44] sevenov: в смысле, работает на pharo
[18:31:50] sevenov: на других не тестил
[18:31:51] wiz: ST меня не порадовал что-то
[18:32:07] sevenov: фу
[18:32:26] огыешсук: вообще всё фигня, если не работать
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[18:33:20] wiz: и работа фигня, если не всё
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[18:34:03] sevenov: РОБАТЫ ЕБУТСЯ!
[18:34:15] sevenov: А ГОБАТЫ СМОТРЯТ НА РОБАТОВ
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[18:34:46] sevenov: mishok13, что ж ты лётчик-то такой?
[18:35:05] mishok13: да я сам не понимаю
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[18:35:11] mishok13: тудысюды бросает
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[18:35:34] sevenov: страсти какие
[18:35:38] mishok13: :(
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[18:36:34] Typhon: mishok13, а чо с блогом? :)
[18:36:47] mishok13: пишу статейку не спеша
[18:37:01] mishok13: (статейку бля) пост, конечно же
[18:37:13] mishok13: но вообще я сейчас футбол смотрю
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[18:37:24] sevenov: mishok13, футбол не нужен
[18:37:31] mishok13: :/
[18:37:34] sevenov: mishok13, и ваще, у тебя блог есть?
[18:37:37] Typhon: на тему? у тебя еще наброски какие-то были, в битбакете, публиковать будешь?
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[18:37:54] Typhon: у меня тут на кухне тоже смотрят матчъ
[18:38:25] mishok13: тема -- обзор либ всяческих для concurrency
[18:38:48] mishok13: я пока что hg push еще не делал
[18:38:50] Typhon: а, круто, это ждем-с
[18:38:56] mishok13: поэтому в битбакете не видно
[18:39:22] mishok13: а футбол нужен, без футбола не было бы смешных комментаторов
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[18:39:48] Typhon: они могли бы комментировать хоккей
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[18:41:36] sevenov: а мне больше тенис нравится, так ахают клёво
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[23:42:30] : xa4a установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me | Ещё рано использовать py3k
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