[00:00:30] _lorien: так что пока только испытываю, не играю :)
[00:00:57] _lorien: реально просто напрягает мысль, что надо думать, а глубина очень большая и на один ход вроде тупо думать, а на 2-3 надо уже мозги напрягать ))
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[00:02:13] _lorien: когда ехал с украины в московию в поезде лежал журнал про шахматистов o_O странно так, шо у них там, шахматисты часто ездют )
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[00:03:06] _lorien: поезд зараза купейный дорого стоит, 1100 гривен, шобы с симферополя до москвы доехать
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[00:12:09] xa4a: это пол ипода!
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[02:52:19] _lorien: django.admin это тьма...
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[03:08:06] red-agent: Это темная сторона силы.
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[03:12:41] _lorien: да, похоже понять всё таки, что такое метаклассы и как их готовить )
[03:12:52] _lorien: * придётся понять
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[05:21:24] : xa4a установил(а) тему: Python.SU | Сначала поищи ответ на docs.python.org | Теперь поищи на google.com | За голосом - в приват к модераторам | Код постить в dumpz.org | Правила написания хорошего кода: http://➡.ws/pep8 | Логи: http://➡.ws/pu | Хочешь задать вопрос - просто *задай* его! | Третий тупой вопрос за сутки — на http://throwcatch.me | Ещё рано использовать py3k
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[10:10:39] wiz: когда же блеять пофиксят /accounts/login/?next=/ на djangosnippets.org?! ХВиУ
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[10:12:12] Большой Лис: ставлю на "ещё минимум год"
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[10:14:49] wiz: ставлю на "все разрабы хуй забили на этот сервис"
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[10:15:05] Большой Лис: именно поэтому я и сказал минимум год
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[10:15:16] sevenov: ставлю на то, что он еще на джанге 0.96 работает
[10:15:18] Большой Лис: через год кто-нибудь может "передумать"
[10:15:46] wiz: походу я быстрее на gongo перейду чем они это сделают
[10:16:04] Большой Лис: wtf gongo&
[10:16:30] sevenov: !g gongo
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[10:16:34] Большой Лис: GONGO stands for Government-operated Non-governmental organization
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[10:20:52] wiz: аналог джанги на Go
[10:21:12] Большой Лис: уже так быстро наклепали?
[10:21:31] wiz: ставлю на "ещё максимум год"
[10:21:32] wiz: (=
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[10:24:54] огыешсук: так go это такой питон с блекджеком? пора переименовывать канал в goua?
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[10:25:15] red-agent: Нет.
[10:25:21] red-agent: Го -- говно.
[10:25:25] Большой Лис: goua как то двусмысленно свучит
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[10:25:29] Большой Лис: з*
[10:25:35] огыешсук: даже трёхсмысленно
[10:25:41] огыешсук: чем и замечательно
[10:26:41] wiz: нет, в го питона нет.
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[10:29:02] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (тфу, ты s/сила/правда ;o)
[10:29:12] wiz: си-ла есть там
[10:30:38] огыешсук: то есть падаванам в go дорога
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[10:33:29] огыешсук: вообще -- какой нынче тренд? гугл собирается всё своё питонячье хозяйство на go переводить или как?
[10:33:45] Большой Лис: на жабу
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[10:33:52] Большой Лис: у них и так всё на жабе
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[10:34:17] огыешсук: /me жабу не любит, она слишком многословная и энтерпрайзнутая
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[10:34:39] огыешсук: А зачем тогда этот go, если на жабу?
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[10:35:21] Большой Лис: распил бюджета :D
[10:36:11] mishok13: схуяле они будут переписывать что-либо на go?
[10:36:17] mishok13: они новые системы будут на нём писать
[10:36:23] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (если go это распил, то где-то должен быть и ogle)
[10:36:26] mishok13: которые питону недоступны
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[10:37:38] wiz: огыешсук, ты раскрыл тайну гугла
[10:37:41] wiz: http://lingvo.yandex.ru/en?text=ogle&st_translate=1
[10:38:23] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (у гугла такой романтичный распил)
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[10:57:43] 0lejka is now I'm not here right now
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[11:07:32] Большой Лис: хорошая шутка
$ sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client
Чтение списков пакетов... Готово
Построение дерева зависимостей
Чтение информации о состоянии... Готово
Будут установлены следующие дополнительные пакеты:
python-configglue python-protobuf python-twisted-bin python-twisted-core python-twisted-names python-twisted-web python-ubuntuone-client python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol

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[11:08:46] Ляпатяпа: питорасы захватили убунту
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[11:09:08] wiz: -R пробовал?
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[11:10:25] xa4a: почему итюнз такой тормоз?
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[11:10:56] Большой Лис: wiz, ты это имел ввиду?
$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
APT::Install-Recommends False;
APT::Install-Suggested False;
[11:11:07] red-agent: Большой Лис, Это еще что.
[11:11:21] red-agent: Я список зависимостей нового deluge увидел.
[11:11:27] red-agent: Охуел и с перепугу слинял на transmission.
[11:11:39] Большой Лис: бгг, я давно так поступил
[11:11:40] wiz: что хотят?
[11:11:51] Большой Лис: и ничуть не жалею
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[11:12:24] sevenov: rtorrent :/
[11:12:31] Большой Лис: :D
[11:12:35] Большой Лис: Depends: python (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.90.0), deluge-common (= 1.1.9+dfsg-1), python-glade2, python-notify, notification-daemon, librsvg2-common, python-dbus, dbus-x11
[11:12:37] Ляпатяпа: p -S deluge
Цели (3): pyxdg-0.17-1 libtorrent-rasterbar-0.14.4-2 deluge-1.1.9-2
Размер загружаемых файлов: 6,61 МБ
Размер устанавливаемых файлов: 26,63 МБ
[11:12:51] red-agent: Большой Лис, Это старые.
[11:12:53] Ляпатяпа: остальное у меня стоит
[11:12:54] red-agent: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/151170/
[11:13:04] sevenov: один раз настроил, так и висит на файлопомойке. Закинал .torrent, он слил куда надо. Что еще нужно?
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[11:13:21] Большой Лис: red-agent, :DDD
[11:13:24] sevenov: >zope-interface
o___O
[11:13:34] Большой Лис: ващеее
[11:13:43] sevenov: twisted, twisted-web o_O
[11:13:53] Ляпатяпа: а у меня сегодня отец флешку нашел
[11:13:57] wiz: zope-interface там полторы строчки кода
[11:14:00] sevenov: >deluge
Ну это уже совсем наглость
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[11:14:13] Ляпатяпа: microSD на гиг с двумя адаптерами
[11:14:20] red-agent: Коробка передач нормальна.
[11:14:21] red-agent: Мелкая, шустрая.
[11:14:34] red-agent: Блядь, у меня xchat стремно проглючил.
[11:14:37] red-agent: И теперь не выглючивает обратно.
[11:14:58] Ляпатяпа: xchat не нужен
[11:15:00] red-agent: Строка ввода = ~1.5-2 её нормальной высоты
[11:15:07] red-agent: Ляпатяпа, А что нужно?
[11:15:13] Ляпатяпа: жаббер
[11:15:30] red-agent: Не болтай глупостей, как малолетка (с)
[11:15:34] wiz: IRC не нужен
[11:15:57] red-agent: Ну вот когда фринод переедет на jabber -- тогда и не будет нужен.
[11:16:00] Большой Лис: red-agent, новый weechat весьма весьма
[11:16:28] red-agent: Большой Лис, Да в топку. Я раньше юзал, потом меня заебало что-то, не помню что и я переключился на xchat.
[11:16:32] xa4a: зопа в прямых зависимостях нет у делюга
[11:16:37] red-agent: Просто и без костылей.
[11:16:51] red-agent: Пока они вот не вылезли, блядь...
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[11:17:33] Большой Лис: да уж что может быть проще чем curses IRC клиент?
[11:17:41] red-agent: Я вообще не понял, что за хуета случилась. Было же все нормально 8\
[11:17:48] Большой Лис: удобно на серваке в скрин повесил и радуйся
[11:18:09] wiz: удобно - meebo открыл в браузере и радуйся
[11:18:50] Большой Лис: нене
[11:18:52] Большой Лис: фу
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[11:19:09] Большой Лис: браузер самый большой тормоз в системе
[11:19:25] wiz: возьми себе нормальный браузер
[11:19:30] wiz: links лол
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[11:20:02] Большой Лис: wiz, хочу поглядеть как в линксах сидеть в мибо
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[11:27:19] red-agent: Гм.
[11:27:24] red-agent: Автор иксчата долбоеб.
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[11:27:42] red-agent: Запаковал кнопку слева с ником в один контейнер с инпутом.
[11:27:57] red-agent: И конечно инпут блядь тянется до размера ебаной кнопки.
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[11:29:21] RaD: пошли ему патч
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[11:29:41] wiz: пошли ему кирпич
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[11:29:51] Большой Лис: пошли его
[11:29:52] red-agent: Последняя версия под linux -- 2008.
[11:30:09] red-agent: А под винду, падло, 2009
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[11:36:59] nmk: а FileSystemStorage при _save на os.makedirs OSError File exists ни у кого не сыпалось? когда несколько процессов пытаются делать os.makedirs. а то пишу пост на sm, а вдруг кто-то уже натыкался на это и я сам дурак.
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[11:40:37] nmk: напишу на sm :)
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[11:43:33] xa4a: есть что-то для работы с ипдом под *nix кроме гткпод и сонгбёрда?
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[11:44:45] nmk: а эти кстати на touch умеют заливать? с 3.1 прошивкой?
[11:45:03] xa4a: на нано5г не умеют :\
[11:45:31] nmk: да что-то мне подсказывает что ты не найдешь то, что на 5g умеет записывать
[11:45:42] nmk: во всем новом вроде как изменили весь этот индекс чертов
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[11:46:12] nmk: запусти венду в виртуалке :)
[11:46:19] xa4a: так и сделал)
[11:46:36] xa4a: только вот итюнз никак 15к треков библиотеки не схавает..
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[11:47:24] nmk: да он вообще дебильный. я дома залили песенки, пришел на работу, в вируталке поставил itunes, подключил плеер, а он мне говорит пошел мол в жопу, он с другим айтюнсом засинхронизирован. я обиделся очень тогда.
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[13:49:43] RaD: чет затихли
[13:50:06] RaD: как из dict получить попорядку все key=val?
[13:50:15] mishok13: у словарей нету порядка
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[13:50:35] mishok13: я подозреваю, что ты хочешь .items()
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[13:54:54] sevenov: http://code.google.com/p/isida/source/browse/trunk/plugins/horo.py
Красотааа
[13:55:58] mishok13: шо за хуита
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[13:57:07] sevenov: mishok13, САМЫЙ ЛУТШИЙ КОД НА ПАЙТОНЕ.
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[13:57:16] mishok13: а оно вообще как работает?
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[13:57:20] slav0nic: да скока можно-то))
[13:58:02] sevenov: slav0nic, еще долго ^^
[13:58:06] sevenov: mishok13, это тайна.
[13:58:16] mishok13: send_msg же нигде не обьявлен
[13:58:17] Typhon: его джавамашина транслирует в код на пхп
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[13:58:50] mishok13: я за вами не успеваю
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[13:59:33] sevenov: mishok13, дык у него подключение плагинов работает как include в пхп или как-то так.
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[14:00:34] mishok13: алолже
[14:00:42] sevenov: вот оно: http://code.google.com/p/isida/source/browse/trunk/isida.py#131
[14:00:46] mishok13: он eval'ом их вызывает
[14:00:59] mishok13: писец
[14:01:53] mishok13: автор здесь бывал, да?
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[14:02:27] slav0nic: (c) 2009 Disabler Production Lab.
всё серьёзно)
[14:02:35] sevenov: mishok13, бывал как-то.
[14:02:43] slav0nic: isida@conference.jabber.ru вроде есть
[14:02:58] mishok13: ты чо, это ж настоящий бля продукт, его продавать надо по-любому
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[14:03:16] slav0nic: [06.11.2009] Работа над версией 1.91 практически завершена. Много исправлено, добавлено и переписано. Осталось всё привести в порядок.
[14:03:17] Большой Лис: бляпродукт
[14:03:20] Большой Лис: %)
[14:03:30] slav0nic: дело за малым!
[14:03:33] slav0nic: привести в порядок :D
[14:03:36] mishok13: ыхыхыхы
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[14:04:45] mishok13: [08:55:05 AM] Disаbler: вчера ночью сделал оценку кода бота. вышло $223570. кому бы теперь его продать?
[14:04:48] mishok13: адпизды
[14:04:52] RaD: да, наверное items()
[14:04:57] mishok13: /me срочно пишет кодогенератор
[14:05:18] slav0nic: ))
[14:05:54] огыешсук: оно небось смотрит количество строк и назначает по баксу-другому на строчку кода
[14:06:24] Большой Лис: огыешсук, зависит от длинны строки
[14:06:33] mishok13: """Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 25,290""" это вот мне sloccount выдал для подпроэктика сделаного за 5 дней
[14:06:36] Большой Лис: ""
на полбакса потянет
[14:07:07] огыешсук: mishok13: а строк в том проектике сколько?
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[14:07:55] RaD: блин, как актуально про "привести в порядок"
[14:08:17] mishok13: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/151180/
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[14:14:10] sevenov: >version 1.91
Многие опенсорс проекты позавидовали бы.
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[14:15:08] RaD: у меня есть шаблон 'user%i' и xrange(100), можно ли одной командочкой сгенерить ['user0', 'user1', .. , 'user99']
[14:15:24] RaD: а туплю блин
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[14:16:24] RaD: ['user%i' % i for i in xrange(5)] - вот оно зло скоростной разработки
[14:16:43] sevenov: RaD, хуясе ты открытие сделал. Надо бы запомнить.
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[14:17:18] огыешсук: mishok13: ага, эта штука считает, что твоя зарплата под 60 килобаксов в год и ты писал эту тысячу строк четыре месяца
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[14:20:29] огыешсук: средняя для запада, в гугломайкрософтах платят почти в два раза больше
[14:20:31] sevenov: эээ, я хочу такую зп
[14:20:52] sevenov: а яндекс для нищебродов
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[14:28:54] огыешсук: а скока плятят в яндексе?
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[14:30:05] sevenov: явно не $10k в мес.
[14:30:23] sevenov: даже не 5
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[14:30:28] огыешсук: 60 в год это меньше 5
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[14:31:00] огыешсук: да и это ещё до налогов ведь, а на западе налоги поболе
[14:31:17] mishok13: скажем так, даже если я передам свою зарплату, то sloccount предлагает 10 штук баксов за этот код
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[14:31:45] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (теперь мы знаем зарплату mishok13 ;o)
[14:31:53] mishok13: def reduce_spaces(text):
while text[0] == ' ': text = text[1:]
while text[-1:] == ' ': text = text[:-1]
return text
[14:31:56] mishok13: ахаххахахахха
[14:31:57] mishok13: сука
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[14:32:03] sevenov: что это? оО
[14:32:03] mishok13: http://code.google.com/p/isida/source/browse/trunk/plugins/main.py#91
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[14:32:24] sevenov: это он strip так сделал?
[14:32:34] mishok13: огыешсук, примерно 2к в месяц, есичо
[14:32:44] sevenov: чето обфускация какая-то о_О
[14:32:54] mishok13: вот тебе хуй а не .strip()
[14:32:57] огыешсук: mishok13: это в каком городе?
[14:32:57] mishok13: !
[14:33:01] mishok13: в Киеве
[14:33:05] slav0nic: это гениально%)) надо ж так извратится
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[14:34:10] slav0nic: govnokod.ru ждёт)
[14:34:53] sevenov: Чочо, strip же )

>>> reduce_spaces(" ghj ghj ghjgjhgjh gjg g gjhghj ")
'ghj ghj ghjgjhgjh gjg g gjhghj'
>>>
[14:35:20] xa4a: стрип ещё табы режет и ньюлайны, афаир
[14:35:24] mishok13: нормальные пацаны strip'ом не пользуются!
[14:35:38] xa4a: тут табы резать не надо => стрип не подойдёт
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[14:35:45] xa4a: Україна подала заявку на реєстрацію кириличного домену в Інтернеті ".укр".
[14:35:46] mishok13: xa4a, ну там же можно передать strip(' ')
[14:36:04] mishok13: >>> 'asdasd\t'.strip()
'asdasd'
>>> 'asdasd\t'.strip(' ')
'asdasd\t'
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[14:38:18] Typhon: xa4a: руцентр уже на .рф открыл предварительную приоритетную регистрацию
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[14:38:39] огыешсук: який бред, зачем они нужны, кроме как для фишинга и сквоттинга
[14:39:02] Большой Лис: именно для этого и нужны
[14:39:25] Typhon: http://пример.испытание
[14:39:25] Большой Лис: ну и ещё раз наварить руцентер всеми темиже доменами, по второму кругу, таксказать
[14:39:33] nmk: Большой Лис: прикольно когда всем мыльники нарегают в домене .рф
[14:39:49] sevenov: http://1с.рф <-- полюбому уже забито.
[14:39:50] Большой Лис: прикола мало
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[14:39:54] sevenov: конецЦикла
[14:39:57] огыешсук: как в фоксе отключить отображение подобных адресов?
[14:40:09] xa4a: я.справжнiй.укр!
[14:40:16] mishok13: config:about и там искать
[14:40:27] огыешсук: спасибо, КО
[14:40:34] mishok13: ;)
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[14:41:42] sevenov: about:config же
[14:41:49] Typhon: блин, .укр куда лучше домен, чем .рф :(
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[14:42:14] sevenov: .ссср надо
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[14:42:17] sevenov: ну как su
[14:42:21] огыешсук: Так вроде ж разрешили всем желающим иметь первого уровня зоны, всего за немного денюжек?
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[14:42:29] Typhon: а у монголов пока кирилический алфавит? .мо хороший
[14:43:19] mishok13: network.IDN_show_punycode
[14:43:47] xa4a: президент.гов.но стаёт актуальнее
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[14:44:00] mishok13: http://xn--e1afmkfd.xn--80akhbyknj4f/ == пример.испытание
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[14:44:27] mishok13: это, конечно, не спасет при первом переходе по ссылке
[14:44:47] огыешсук: /me отключил, ибо нефиг
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[14:54:15] mishok13: http://code.google.com/p/isida/source/browse/trunk/plugins/main.py#271
[14:54:33] mishok13: ununix бля
[14:55:10] Муркт: ухты
[14:55:17] Муркт: а по-моему это круто
[14:55:29] mishok13: чем это круто?
[14:55:49] Муркт: надо его куда-нибудь склонировать (вдруг автор удалит своё творение) и показывать в музее
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[14:56:44] mishok13: так логи останутся
[14:56:49] Муркт: Project owners:
a.gorelow
Project committers:
aleks.shvetsov, vladimir.shelukhin, veganet.org, johanschmrge
[14:57:08] slav0nic: "вот эти ребята"
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[14:57:17] wiz: http://veganet.org/
[14:57:22] wiz: так вот откуда у них такая трава
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[14:58:09] wiz: http://veganet.org/service.html?lang=ru
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[14:58:42] mishok13: /me икает от смеха
[14:58:51] mishok13: """Боты потребляют физическую память на сервере,ОЗУ,процессорное время,интернет трафик и многое другое..."""
[14:59:03] slav0nic: и размножаются)
[14:59:04] mishok13: тоннами блять потребляют
[14:59:10] wiz: мозг автора потребляют
[14:59:20] mishok13: надо утилизировать отходы просто от жизнедеятельности ботов
[14:59:29] mishok13: поэтому 30 руб/месяц
[14:59:32] slav0nic: в "*мы принимаем:" не хватает веществ))
[14:59:38] wiz: когда автор кончается, они посылают нового человека в канал pythonua - спрашивать как ухаживать за ботами
[14:59:44] slav0nic: )))
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[14:59:56] mishok13: вообще, орфография и пунктуация сука соблюдена
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[15:02:26] slav0nic: о, ещё кодез автора
http://code.google.com/p/japyt/source/browse/japyt/make.py
это чё%)
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[15:05:03] Муркт: мне интересно, сколько автору лет?
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[15:05:41] wiz: 48
[15:05:43] wiz: на четверых
[15:06:11] sevenov: Муркт, ты Disabler'а разве не помнишь?
[15:06:17] tilarids: а до 14ти не садят.
[15:06:19] Муркт: sevenov: не-а
[15:06:33] Муркт: ну в смысле было тут тело
[15:06:38] Муркт: но что он говорил - не помню
[15:06:44] Муркт: а интернет мне сообщил, что автору 29 лет
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[15:07:19] tilarids: !logs Disabler
[15:07:19] Муркт: а это значит, что точка невозврата пройдена лет восемнадцать тому назад :-D
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[15:07:26] tilarids: не было такого тут
[15:07:35] Муркт: tilarids: был вроди
[15:07:36] Большой Лис: был блы
[15:07:39] Большой Лис: точно был
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[15:07:45] xa4a: поиск по логам выпилен
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[15:09:03] red-agent: С GtkTextView никто не мозгоебствовал?
[15:09:28] Муркт: бгыы
[15:09:37] Муркт: документы - http://dosc.isida-bot.com/
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[15:10:08] red-agent: У автора xchat синдром дауна по-моему.
[15:10:14] red-agent: Судя по коду.
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[15:10:35] tilarids: ага, нашел в логах
[15:10:38] tilarids: он тут таки был
[15:10:46] tilarids: и спрашивал, как повисший тред убить извне
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[15:12:18] sevenov: он еще раньше был
[15:12:22] sevenov: ищу вот в логах
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[15:13:27] red-agent: Наши боты записывают логи разговоров конференций в режиме Online.
[15:13:31] red-agent: Да.
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[15:13:43] red-agent: Настоящие, суровые, челябинские боты.
[15:13:51] tilarids: вот если бы они это делали в режиме оффлайн
[15:13:57] tilarids: я бы подуумал :)
[15:14:06] red-agent: Со стоимостью наших услуг вы можете ознакомиться прочитав прайс-лист в разделе
[15:14:21] red-agent: А на детских утренниках эти клоуны тоже подрабатывают?
[15:14:30] Муркт: если заплатишь
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[15:14:59] sevenov: Во, нашел
[15:15:02] sevenov: http://xa4a.org.ua/logs/pythonua@conference.jabber.ru/2009/06/16.html#[17:15:31]
[15:15:20] sevenov: гугл говно, яндекс хорош.
[15:15:46] sevenov: а, не. Там выше: http://xa4a.org.ua/logs/pythonua@conference.jabber.ru/2009/06/16.html#[17:03:04]
[15:17:14] Муркт: sevenov: ты его слишком толсто троллил
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[15:17:37] sevenov: я тоньше не умел и не умею до сих пор. И вообще, я не тролль.
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[15:18:29] tilarids: sevenov: ты унылая школота?
[15:18:47] sevenov: tilarids, ага. Блин, завтра снова в школу :'-((((((((
[15:18:51] sevenov: *опять
[15:19:03] Муркт: sevenov: а жил бы ты в Украине - в школу не надо было бы идти
[15:19:20] sevenov: Муркт, а у вас школы уже позакрывали?
[15:19:25] Муркт: ага, карантин
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[15:19:33] tilarids: уже скоро откроют
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[15:19:57] sevenov: пойду уроки делать
[15:19:58] tilarids: уроды, освоили/наварили кучу бабла
[15:20:10] Муркт: tilarids: зато открыто освоили
[15:20:15] tilarids: да блин
[15:20:19] tilarids: я им всем завидую
[15:20:19] Муркт: tilarids: не было бы карантина, осваивали бы тихо
[15:20:41] tilarids: я тоже хочу так осваивать :(
[15:20:56] Муркт: хорошо, я записал тебя в специальную книжечку
[15:21:35] red-agent: За вами уже выехали. Ждите... (с)
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[15:22:05] Муркт: ага
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[15:22:34] tilarids: btw, закон-то приняли, так что теперь всё должно логироваться. Мои слова залоггировали и теперь у них есть на меня компромат
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[15:22:48] sevenov: silent_bob, скажи боян.
[15:23:27] sevenov: нет, ну это уже через чур. silent_bob до сих пор считает меня каким=то алкашом. Вечно мне про алкоголь втирает.
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[15:23:38] sevenov: silent_bob, фу, пошляк.
[15:23:48] sevenov: silent_bob, тебе в зад.
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[15:24:00] sevenov: silent_bob, похоже, уже перевернулся
[15:24:13] sevenov: silent_bob, опять за старое?
[15:24:21] sevenov: silent_bob, фу, пошляк.
[15:24:29] sevenov: воо
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[15:26:09] tilarids: sevenov: в соседнем чате я частенько наблюдаю такую картину - субъект A чего-то говорит боту, тот ему отвечает. Снова субъект А что-то говорит боту, а тот ему отвечает. В общем, как у тебя с пони. Единственное отличие - в том чате субъект А - тоже бот
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[15:27:03] sevenov: tilarids, а я как-то сульцу загнял в python@, два бота очень интересно пообщались.
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[15:31:08] nmk: там лого похоже на лого каких-то гандонов
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[15:51:03] _lorien: What you can do however, is credit your prepaid account with the credit card of another person if
you do not have access to a credit card at this time.

Спасибо, кэп.
[15:51:33] wiz: _lorien, решил джаббер-бота купить?
[15:51:48] _lorien: нет, попросил на gandi.net шобы они сервер включили
[15:51:55] _lorien: я там протупил, мне 1.5$ не хватает ))
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[15:55:47] RaD: подскажите как в svn указать игнорирование *.log и каталогов temp logs?
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[15:56:34] Большой Лис: svn setprop или как то так
[15:57:07] RaD: это я в курсе, я не могу ему назначить несколько опций, оно хранит только последнюю
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[15:58:49] _lorien: там тол по по опции на каждой строке, то ли как-то так... короче у меня работало )
[15:59:43] _lorien: svn:ignore - A newline separated list of file patterns to ignore.
[16:00:00] _lorien: просто надо в редакторе задавать или в командной строке как-то изобразить newline separator )
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[16:09:16] red-agent: /me заебался в общем возится с этой хуйней и решил сделать все быстро
[16:09:35] red-agent:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8383/xchatbefore.png
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7145/xchatafter.png
http://gist.github.com/236907
[16:09:43] red-agent: Какой код бля, такие и патчи.
[16:10:04] red-agent: Хотя идея насчет получения размера контекста pango меня посещала.
[16:10:11] red-agent: Но я решил, что ну его в пизду...
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[16:12:16] Большой Лис: ну хз как у тебя глаза ещё не вытекли от таких шрифтов
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[16:12:47] red-agent: На моих мониторах -- в самый раз
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[16:20:26] mishok13: так всё же полезет если у человека другой размер шрифта
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[16:21:38] Typhon: PyPy is becoming totally enterprise-ready. We now have an Oracle database-binding :)
[16:21:41] RaD: хорошие шрифты
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[16:23:36] wiz: Typhon, а к pypy сишные модули не подсунуть?
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[16:24:51] red-agent: mishok13, Я патч для себя делал. Там код уебанский -- я больше ничего сделать не мог. А возится с pango мне было лень.
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[16:25:27] red-agent: Там автор или мейнтейнер - хз кто он, на канале -- просто тормоз. Найдет лучше решение -- я только порадусь.
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[16:28:29] red-agent: mishok13, Там еще есть феерический код.
[16:28:37] red-agent: Я сначала хотел его убрать, но потом забыл.
[16:28:58] red-agent: Где аффтар выставляет set_size_request(0, 1) на этот tw
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[16:29:30] red-agent: Интересно, стояло ему сказать, что вместо 0 нужно было там ставить -1, чтобы не трогать ширину, а 1 -- это вообще-то размер в пикселях, а не в линиях....
[16:29:47] red-agent: И по-этому если убрать кнопку -- оно становится 1px height :D
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[16:35:56] mishok13: /me тихо ненавидит перформанс тестирования и JMeter в частности
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[18:49:00] _lorien: эээ, хочу на хабре написать пост про популярные django-приложения. ПРо чо написать кроме django-registration & django-tagging?
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[18:50:12] tilarids: _lorien: коньюнктурщик
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[18:50:47] _lorien: где там мой словарик
[18:51:56] _lorien: конъюнктурщик ну вообще с Ъ пишется, осталось узнать, шо это ))
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[18:52:35] tilarids: точно. позор на мою голову
[18:52:50] _lorien: так чо это такое то? )
[18:53:10] _lorien: чё-то я на яндексе только перевод на en нашёл ))
конъюнктурщик
м. неодобр.
timeserver, opportunist, self-seeker
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[21:35:44] _lorien: gimp 15 секунд думал, потом сказал "where is no data in clipboard to paste"
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[21:37:41] _lorien: ну там как бе была имага из digikam, но чё-т не нашёл )
[21:38:07] _lorien: в digikam какое-то выделение тупое, дае таскать его нельзя и квадратиком нельзя форсировать
[21:40:51] Ляпатяпа: что значит thread-safe?
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[21:41:05] xa4a: безопасный для использования в конкурентных потоках
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[21:42:29] Ляпатяпа: ну это то я знаю... вот если поглубже
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[21:46:07] _lorien: ну типа ты юзаешь non tread-safe либу в конкурентных тредах и у тебя всё пиздохается
[21:46:33] sevenov: _lorien, пиздец глубоко объяснил
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[21:46:45] _lorien: например, с pycurl такое бывает :)
[21:46:55] _lorien: надо ему делать nosignal там какой-то..
[21:47:02] _lorien: дада, обращайтесь ещё )))
[21:47:55] Ляпатяпа: Currently there is no great way to use PyMongo in conjunction with asynchronous socket frameworks like twisted or tornado.
[21:48:24] Ляпатяпа: он будет тормозить всех или наебнется?
[21:50:46] xa4a: если тред-сейф, то тормозить
[21:50:51] xa4a: если не сейф -
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[21:51:58] Ляпатяпа: Если кому интересно, переделали доки по pymongo, плюс появился русский раздел на mongodb.org, куцый пока
[21:52:28] огыешсук: оно правда нужное? это монго?
[21:52:38] Ляпатяпа: нет конечно
[21:52:47] Ляпатяпа: mongo не нужно
[21:53:06] Ляпатяпа: РСУБД тож
[21:53:36] _lorien: anydbm рулед
[21:53:46] Ляпатяпа: anydbm не нужно
[21:53:46] sevenov: монго на плюсах -> не нужнл
[21:54:00] Ляпатяпа: тролли не нужны короче
[21:54:02] _lorien: XML форева
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[21:56:52] Ляпатяпа: XML... ну вы в курсе
[21:57:09] огыешсук: вы меня успокоили
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[22:01:52] _lorien: вообще есть mysql, всё остальное от лукавого
[22:02:14] _lorien: кстати хочу на postgres перейти, а то sevenov заебал писать, что myql говно мне )
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[22:02:46] sevenov: /me как просыпается, сразу пишут _lorien'у в жабир, что mysql говно.
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[22:03:02] xa4a: не ведись. postgres пишут студенты и зеки. а mysql - продукт Ъ-энтерпрайз корпорации
[22:03:30] sevenov: xa4a, тогда и линупсы тоже не нужны.
[22:03:53] xa4a: sevenov: а кто говорит что нужны? от них одни проблемы
[22:03:59] sevenov: во-во
[22:04:01] _lorien: угу
[22:04:08] sevenov: я вот на семёрочке сижу и доволен
[22:04:20] Ляпатяпа: семерочка... ну вы в курсе
[22:04:24] _lorien: да вот пыха покруче будет - старый конь борозды не портит
[22:04:30] _lorien: xp я имею в виду
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[22:06:14] _lorien: sevenov, будешь в пасьянс по сети играть?
[22:06:38] sevenov: _lorien, не, я щас пиво жру и думаю над планом вброса в жуйк.
[22:06:39] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (про http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=A5&lr=1 все уже в курсе?)
[22:06:56] sevenov: боян же
[22:07:13] _lorien: а в чём понт?
[22:07:22] _lorien: sevenov, правильно писать, баян
[22:07:34] Большой Лис: искали а5, а нашло "куй"
[22:07:48] sevenov: Большой Лис, хуй.
[22:07:58] sevenov: _lorien, баян - одно, боян - другое :)
[22:08:09] Большой Лис: всёбаян
[22:08:15] Большой Лис: даже сам боян — тоже боян
[22:08:27] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (sevenov опытный торчок)
[22:08:40] sevenov: Большой Лис, бояяян.
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[22:08:55] yuuki: огыешсук, кто такой севенов?
[22:09:14] огыешсук: yuuki: да был тут один, ушел куда-то
[22:09:35] yuuki: ХУЙ
[22:10:03] огыешсук: ОЙ
[22:11:01] огыешсук: Неутрины на вас нет. На python бы быстро всех забанили и восстановилась бы тишь да гладь.
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[22:11:27] Ляпатяпа: вот поэтому мы и тут
[22:11:33] огыешсук: угу
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[22:13:13] yuuki: огыешсук, в пизду эту нейтрину и все быдло с python@ тоже туда.
[22:13:46] _lorien: да нет, они там нормально говорят, умно так, я видел )
[22:13:50] _lorien: не то что тут, хуй да хуй
[22:14:31] yuuki: _lorien, ты хуй.
[22:14:35] yuuki: ляляля ляляля
[22:14:41] _lorien: ><"/|/|
[22:14:50] _lorien: yuuki, я хуй
[22:14:51] _lorien: лялялялял
[22:15:01] огыешсук: _lorien: да ну ладно, зашел вот только что, читаю: "создал простую страничку, но не могу её увидеть в браузере"... Уж лучше хуй!
[22:15:28] yuuki: o.o
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[22:15:48] yuuki: меня там как-то за мат забанили
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[22:16:15] уuuki: правильно, гнать в шею матершинников. сегодня материшься, а завтра уже на ruby прогаешь
[22:17:24] yuuki: уuuki, а чо, я и на рубях пописываю. Куда приятнее пистона.
[22:17:45] огыешсук: У нас на работе в одном проекте практиковали матоштрафы. Мятюгнулся -- заплатил мелочью, можно покупать абонемент.... Накопили на холодильник и кофе-машину.
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[22:17:57] уuuki: yuuki, да ну ты гонишь, руби это кривое поделие с перла
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[22:19:29] yuuki: уuuki, о_О Перла даже рядом нет. Руби мне smalltalk напоминает чем-то.
[22:20:23] уuuki: есть там перл
[22:20:40] уuuki: когда я эээ года три назад пытался руби учить, обблевался весь )
[22:20:45] уuuki: может чо за три года изменилось )
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[22:21:06] уuuki: помню был стойкий привкус перла )
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[22:21:18] yuuki: нене, ничего такого.
[22:21:19] уuuki: ну хотя бы hui? уже перл какой-то ))
[22:21:25] yuuki: выдыхай )
[22:21:36] огыешсук: /me учил руби шесть лет назад и никакого перла там не замечал, хотя перл тогда был основным моим языком
[22:21:38] xa4a_: то, что тут не банят за мат - не повод превращать канал в хуй
[22:22:00] уuuki: хм, они размножаются
[22:22:24] yuuki: уuuki, уuuki размножаются?
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[22:22:35] уuuki: yuuki, нет, xa4a
[22:22:43] уuuki: ты что, не видишь???
[22:22:44] yuuki: о, ы. Да.
[22:22:47] xa4a: yuuki: нет, yuuki
[22:22:59] xa4a_: yuuki: нет, yuuki
[22:23:11] yuuki: xa4a, по моему, ты меня два раза захайлайтил о.о
[22:23:12] уuuki: xa4a, нет, xa4a_
[22:23:16] yuuki: xa4a_, по моему, ты меня два раза захайлайтил о.о
[22:23:26] yuuki: не, даже 4
[22:23:26] уuuki: меня никто не хайлайтил, подтверждаю
[22:23:30] xa4a: уuuki:
[22:23:32] xa4a: держи
[22:23:34] уuuki: туше
[22:23:36] yuuki: ^^
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[22:25:52] уuuki: While all these techniques are helpful and can prevent you from making stupid mistakes, the unfortunate truth is that it is impossible to be on time and on budget for every project. It’s easy to find stories about failed software projects going over budget by millions of dollars and overdue by many years.
закончил статью на весёлой ноте :D
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[22:26:23] yuuki: Прочел "ноде". /эрланг головного мозга :(/
[22:27:20] уuuki: фидо головоного мозга
[22:27:46] yuuki: ФГМ
[22:28:45] уuuki: отнюдь, сударь
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[22:30:15] огыешсук: /me . o 0 (http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/l/u/lungrig/cxema.jpg)
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[22:33:23] уuuki: http://pycheesecake.org а кто-нить юзает это, клёвое?
[22:34:54] уuuki: а, неважно
[22:35:53] огыешсук: bb
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[23:20:30] уuuki: А как узнать состояние системы в любой момент выполнения, нереально да?... Я хочу с некоторой точки назад пойти и посмотреь когда и где проходила нить выполнения программы. В pdb есть комнда u но это какая-то херь :)
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[23:22:03] xa4a: u - подняться вверх по стеку
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[23:22:27] xa4a: а то, что ты хочешь - неделю назад кто-то спрашивал, чтобы его замораживать
[23:23:12] xa4a: а) выделить какое состояние хочешь мониторить и контроллировать его изменения, зраня историю;б) это нереально.
[23:23:15] xa4a: выбор за тобой
[23:23:39] уuuki: способ a - это принты в нужном месте? :)
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[23:24:23] xa4a: я, вообще-то, не понял, чего ты хочешь)
[23:24:33] xa4a: так что ты сначала объсни)
[23:24:40] xa4a: а потом я скажу, как а) в это вписывается)
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[23:24:51] уuuki: есть команда s(step) пошагово выполнять программу, я хочу то же самое, только в обратном направлении
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[23:25:48] уuuki: ну например, если только что был цикл на десять итераций, то я вот пройду его задом-наперёд )
[23:26:14] yuuki: уuuki, херней какой-то занимаешься.
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[23:26:52] уuuki: yuuki, пытаюсь понять как работает ебаная джанго админка :D
[23:27:05] уuuki: тупо не работает пример из документации
[23:27:25] yuuki: б) это нереально.
[23:27:27] yuuki: :D
[23:27:34] xa4a: да, это твой вариант)
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[23:28:20] уuuki: class ArticleAdmin(admin.ModelAdmin):
def save_formset(self, request, form, formset, change):
instances = formset.save(commit=False)
у меня instance пустой почему, а в пример они издевательски итерируются там )

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[23:28:54] уuuki: * instances
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[23:29:12] уuuki: ну я как бы смотрююю в сорцы, смотрююю., а там запутанно как-то :D
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[23:30:01] уuuki: я слышал что для си есть такие штуки
[23:30:08] уuuki: шобы обратно двигаться
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[23:32:08] xa4a: ты что-то не курил
[23:33:30] уuuki: в этой админке метакласс на метаклассе
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[23:33:58] уuuki: мой друг не пьёт и не курит - лучше бы пил и курил
[23:34:08] xa4a: втыкни во вьюху pdb
[23:34:09] уuuki: возможно от этого стало бы легче женщинам Южных Курилл
[23:34:15] xa4a: и не лазь по метаклассам
[23:34:38] уuuki: я втынул и вижу, что formset.save() возвращает пустой список
[23:34:56] xa4a: может formset пустой?
[23:35:09] уuuki: ну как пустой, я в админке данные ввожу - они сохраняются
[23:35:28] xa4a: ну если втыкнул - sуйся в formset.save()
[23:35:37] xa4a: дебагер же
[23:35:51] уuuki: как туда соватсья?
[23:36:08] уuuki: а
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[23:36:18] уuuki: ;)
[23:36:31] уuuki: :D
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[23:37:18] _lorien: yuuki, кончай тупить, юзай pdb
[23:38:01] xa4a: ещё ipdb
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[23:39:55] xa4a: он ipython
[23:40:02] xa4a: цветной и с дополнением
[23:40:07] xa4a: и остальными рюшками
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